Battle Simulation with Live Fire - Imperial Combat Proficiency Test - Clone Force 99 - The Bad Batch

[@Palad1n20]

even after all that Tarkin was like nope Clones are no good

[@CactusCowboyDan]

He really just doesn’t like clones.

[@ezdub5762]

It wasn’t Clones as a whole he found insufficient because of the drill, it was the task force that showed a staggering amount of free will.

[@solidnomad488]

What I remember though is that Tarkin found that Clones were too expensive to create. But then again he found the Death Star something brilliant so....

[@Stephanthecuteblondie2567]

​​@@solidnomad488 The empire is known to be a hypocrite system

[@tylragor1653]

Well we all know that clones can be controlled via the chip inside their heads so Tarkin and the Empire didn't want to fall onto the sword they've used to hunt down the jedis and destroyed the Republic

[@SocalCoyote]

2:33 Echo charging in and around like a real arc trooper. Too beautiful.

[@benjaminmclaren8782]

Remember, these are not regular clones. They are free thinkers. Tarkin saw them do this, a scenario he probably designed to make the clones fail, and they still beat it. Regular clones would not do that. So, he recommends that the clones be phased out. Problem is, who is to say that normal people would perform as well.

[@gabrielcanejo187]

Even Then That's giving Tarkin WAY More Benefit of The Doubt he derseves. Guy was the Most Responsible maybe right after Sidious for not only the Empire Track Record against The Rebellion but It's General Inefectivess and Incompetente even Without going into the Whole Death Star Fiasco.

[@nicholasgutierrez9940]

Well... the thing is that the Republic armed forces and the Imperial armed forces are two entirely different things. The Republic was mostly planetary defense forces before the Clone Wars. Hence why Dooku said "It doesn't seem possible" after witnessing the Clone army at Geonosis in Episode 2. The Clones were an elite force, only deployed to high stakes battlefields and specialty roles. It's just not shown that much since we focus almost exclusively on the big battles. The Empire had to severely reduce the autonomy of all sectors in the galaxy except for a few like Hutt Space. Planets weren't allowed to keep local forces since they could easily turn rebel. A lot of the post Order 66 battles were about wiping out the remaining Separatist holdouts. So Tarkin had to make a case for creating a galactic wide army instead of a small, elite force that would be dispatched to special battlefields. He actually made the right call. You see even in this series, the clones are training their stormtrooper replacements to be the spearhead. Albeit less elite, but far more numerous in order to keep the emperor's peace. Meanwhile planetary forces were dismantled and reorganized into the Imperial army. So Tarkin saw the benefits of having an elite force of free thinkers, but didn't think they would make a good galactic wide replacement. Vader's Fist was made up of his own personal division of clone troopers in addition to newer officers. Stormtroopers are elite, but not raised from birth to fight. Against normal rebel forces with no plot armor, they decimate them 1v1. AKA the Hoth invasion. It was mostly the infighting between Imperial forces post-Endor and really dumb decisions by officers that doomed the Empire. It was better after the Clone Wars to have a stable, yet not as effective fighting force to maintain peace. Otherwise you get the Byzantines. Nobody wants to be the Byzantines.

[@mill2712]

Depends on the regular clones you're talking about. I'm sure a few of the named ones we've come to know during the previous series could make it out of this situation.

[@RandomMan439]

Tarkin was such an idiot for getting rid of the clones

[@StormtrooperYD]

Tarkin is just an idiot overall

[@strikeforcealpha9343]

No, because the clones reacted to Order 66, this could be employed against Inquisitors and was effectively.

[@xxnightdriverxx9576]

You dont need this effectiveness to stand around and intimidate civilians (or shoot at them). Stormtroopers are just as good at doing that as Clones are. And Civilians are just as scared when facing a Stormtrooper than they are when facing a Clone. But you can get significantly more Stormtroopers for the same money as you can get Clones.

[@johannthedeceitful5968]

@@xxnightdriverxx9576Quality over quantity though, and it’s not like rebellion was happening in any large numbers

[@xxnightdriverxx9576]

@@johannthedeceitful5968you missed the point. The Stormtroopers / TK Troopers were NOT intended to fight a rebellion. They were a tool to make sure a rebellion never broke out in the first place, or if it does, it is small and rare. It is easy to attack imperial buildings, installations and transports when there are no soldiers and guards around to protect them. And a few untrained, angry civilians with shovels as weapons can do that and will do so if they are unhappy. But if you post just two soldiers with blasters and minimal training there, that will discourage 99% of all civilians from ever doing anything against the empire. With Clones, you can't do that because you don't have enough of them.

[@dylanfoster7138]

I still hold that that knife shot is one of the best shots in Star Wars

[@nanosoreee3943]

This is funny, the Bad Batch performed well and with no difficulty when it was just training rounds or in another sense an even playing field. But when the odds were so against them during the live rounds and was caught by surprise they won and survived, then Tarkin said nope clones are no good when the thing he was looking for the Empire that would have win against the Rebellion in the future. Most of the Empire’s armies have been fcked by rebellion’s guerilla tactics or situations that gave the Empire some poor odds against them similar to the live rounds part.

[@magentamomo7150]

He probably realized these clones were too smart and might have a chance of betraying the Empire and join the rebellion. Idk tho i haven't watched bad batch yet

[@strikeforcealpha9343]

That's because 99' were free thinkers, he didn't want troopers who could think, he wanted loyalty, obedience, canon fodder.

[@ControlledChaos145]

Thats part of the reason they were so effective in the rebellion, they used a lot of old school republic tactics, and the TK troopers were only trained to think in obvious tactics

[@csibesz07]

It was not meant to be a test, it was meant to be an execution.

[@chickendrawsdogs3343]

Imagine the Rebels getting absolutely ass-whooped if the ARC Troopers were still active.

[@Guderian218]

I love, when the Katarn-class armor works, unlike in the last episode of seasion 3, with Scorch.

[@willwolf8436]

The just had to make Commandos glorified body guards that were slightly better than TKs and CTs.

[@Guderian218]

@@willwolf8436 True. Such a disrespect to the best Clone troopers.

[@TheSpecter4567]

I don’t think the decision truly rested on Tarkin’s shoulders. The Emperor felt that the loyalty of the clones would always be put into question. Also the close call with some of clones having defective chips almost activating or outright mutinying after order 66. They were also super expensive to make and maintain more so than the droid army. Not to mention extremely unpopular with members of the public. Using an imperial army consisting of conscripts, and volunteers would be more cost effective. Then using the clones to transition to storm troopers which originally were the cream of the crop in terms of imperial training and technology.

[@rory8182]

the problem with the clones is that they worked with the Jedi and saw no examples of the "treason" that they did, and all were aware of Order 66's existance. With them around it was only a matter of time

[@TheSpecter4567]

@ definitely the weakest piece of Star Wars lore is the clone troopers betrayal being brain chips.

[@Juras181]

​@@TheSpecter4567 Why do you think that? I think its good, of course it would be cooler If it would be like Battlefront 2005 but it wouldn't make much sense to be honest.

[@mattiasandersson8693]

@@Juras181 the battlefront reasoning could have made sense if we saw more perspectives other than the 501st and sometimes the 212th. most jedi leaned more towards krell than towards anakin and obi wan in terms of how good leaders they were on the battlefield

[@Juras181]

Oh that's interesting i didn't knew that. I thought that the Jedi in general where relatively nice But overall the risk would still have been significantly higher that a clone would refuse orders or that the truth would come to light, before order 66 is executed, right? Especially because there were Jedi like Obi-wan, Anakin and Plo Koon.

[@Straswa]

Awesome clip, thanks for the upload. Bad Batch is awesome.

[@Sgt_Claw]

Hate to Tarken ----------->

[@Stephanthecuteblondie2567]

Real

[@ghjkymg8323]

I understand why Tarkin switched to stormtroopers and the Imperial Army, considering how much territory needed to be covered. That being said, he should have kept the clones for some elite divisions.

[@ivisyung3088]

Hemmlock did though, but his program wasnt fuly funded

[@Mr2010forgeben]

Getting rid of the clones, I understand. But they should have kept the training facilities and procedures

[@richardlew3667]

In the Legends storyline they did. Commander Cody was even stationed there to train new recruits.

[@MrMonkey2475]

@@richardlew3667nobody cares about non canon legends

[@richardlew3667]

@@MrMonkey2475 The Legends were still better written than what Disney churned out.

[@MrMonkey2475]

@ no it really isn’t. While the canon sequel trilogy is hot garbage, legends isn’t much better. That’s how poor the legends content is. Have you even properly read the sequels content for legends? It’s soooooo bad, honestly most of it is worst then the canon sequel trilogy. I’m a person who absolutely despises the canon sequels content, I hate everything about it and yet for the most part I hate the legends sequels content even more. That’s how terrible it is

[@richardlew3667]

@MrMonkey2475 Timothy Zahn's Thrawn trilogy was the very reason why the Star Wars franchise was revived. While the Legends storyline has its own discontinuity, the fact that even Disney adapted most of Zahn's characters showcases the ingenious talents of the writers from the original Legends storyline.

[@Mezukage27]

Tarkin: "i need troopers that have 0% accuracy!"

[@Infinity_2-x4y]

What a Shot hell yeah.

[@MrCardinalzboy]

Feels like he wanted to see how dangerous the clones could be to the empire

[@gabrielcanejo187]

Tarkin (And Sidious Let's be Fair) After Seeing All of That: "Meh, Not Worth The Credits, Stormtroopers, Death Stars and Fear Based Tatics ans Ruling Is Where It's At!"

[@faiz_latif]

The combat scenes/fire fights in this series were awesome

[@comcody25]

The Clones were effective soldiers to every extent the Empire needed. Even discounting The Bad Batch, most Clone regiments were battle hardened and had not only flash training, but actual combat experience across the board (fighting droids, local fauna, environmental training, and soldiers/rebellions). I'll continue to say that the Tarkin Doctrine murdered everything the Empire was, and Tarkin himself was a moron with too much power. They sacrificed a tempered and well liked military force to create a faceless army of yes-men with officers that would frequently try to use others as stepping stones to reach greater heights, killing any chance of the Empire lasting longer than 50 years (things started collapsing day one, and without any special outliers, I'm being generous).

[@deathtrooper9003]

I just noticed that when the battle droids die, they make the noise the purge trooper used to from force unleashed!

[@MegaDrain]

The Bad Batch are the kind of team Thrawn would yearn to have.

[@muhammadizzat6218]

bad batch cinematic soundtrack goes hard

[@qs2808]

All this just to replace them with stormtroopers, smh

[@lifedeather]

Kaibacorp could do better with the blue swat guys in DSOD

[@qs2808]

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[@lifedeather]

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[@ivisyung3088]

it actually makes sense. clones are good for precision ground stike teams for short missions but its too costly in terms of covering ground. the empire has a lot of planets to cover so business plan wise, a conscripted army is the way to go.

[@samalvey8168]

Didn't Tarkin learn the lesson from the Clone Wars that a thousand unthinking drones can be easily beaten by a hundred independent thinkers?

[@Marshal_Longarm]

What can you make more money on as the corrupt official: growing ready-made trained soldiers or training a regular army of citizens?

[@samalvey8168]

@@Marshal_Longarm Tarkin cared for power, not money, but your point still stands, I guess. Freed up credits for the Death Star, though we all know how well that went.

[@Marshal_Longarm]

@@samalvey8168 I'll put it another way: by keeping an eye on corrupt lower ranking officials through blackmailing, third-degree interrogations etc Tarkin would possess quite the power. Besides The Death Star itself probably was quite tasty project for corruptioners even if they don't know it's true nature and purpose. Just a few cargos they have to send from point A to point B.

[@OliverCovfefe]

SOME BULLY SHOT

[@potroast20]

They also needed some cheap, and cost efficient

[@silentfox139]

Even though I know the outcome. I was on edge

[@IndigoEuphonium]

And then he got rid of them. No wonder he lost the Battle over Yavin

[@nathanielhollas8471]

Why would a training device even have the capability of "live fire". I know theyre using lasers, but still.

[@slicer940]

Seems kind of unfair to test a clone commando unit to gauge the effectiveness of all clones. Also, they never tested a non-clone unit on screen. So why get rid of clones (at this point in the story) when Tarkin hasn’t even seen a normal unit fight? He also chose the most unconventional unit in the clone army to test.

[@anticitizenokapi4634]

Tuck Farkin :)

[@jackdamen-x8h]

HA you wish a storm trooper could do that