The Other Ships With 18in Guns - with Special Guest Drachinifel

[@FandersonUfo]

no one loves ships more than these two - outstanding content

[@JoshuaTootell]

Which is pretty funny, since I'm 99% sure neither served 🤣 But I appreciate their enthusiasm.

[@FandersonUfo]

@@JoshuaTootell - there may be very good reasons they could not serve which are probably not our business - I'm sure they both serve to promote naval careers better than any recruitment office - 🛸✨

[@gishuk]

@@JoshuaTootell strange comment

[@Argondo]

@@JoshuaTootell beeing a service man does not always correlate to beeing the best content provider on a certain subject.

[@allmachtsdaggl5109]

I love ships as much, but i do not know as much as the hair on Alex' pinkie finger

[@absenttk4213]

I feel that these combined communities would pay good money for a “Drach & Ryan” video series!

[@Plaprad]

A buddy cop comedy where they moonlight as amateur investigators for naval mysteries. I see an iconic car, and catchphrases.

[@Tuning3434]

I would love to hear the BB NJ crew pop up as special guests in an episode (or two) of The Bilgepumps.

[@mamarine81]

@@Plaprad Yes. So much yes. And a catchy opening a la Magnum P.I. or the Interceptors from Top Gear.

[@jilldesruisseau]

oh heck yes! sign me up!

[@pierre1714]

Sign me up too. I really like these two guys and together they could do a vwry interresting show 😃

[@admiraltiberius1989]

Drach and Ryan The ultimate Naval team up Like Nelson and Farragut getting together.

[@Zonkotron]

Needs Jingles for 3rd. he is "just" a gaming youtuber but is an old RN sailor and knows drach and is just hillarious.

[@memelord7333]

@@Zonkotronyes

[@boosuedon]

Drachinifel is a real life walking naval Encyclopedia! His knowledge and expertise is unmatched, at least from what I have seen. Impressive!

[@christineshotton824]

One can really tell the depth of his knowledge when he goes off script and just tosses out a string of detailed, arcane, information right off the top of his head.

[@billmelater6470]

Love seeing you and Drach work together!

[@stevenjennings197]

Ryan and Drac side by side. Excellent video.

[@piefpv3233]

the two youtubers i watch for Naval history. so cool to see them both together.

[@ricardokowalski1579]

I'll take 2x1 every day and twice on tuesday

[@rickscott8756]

They look like they could be brothers too!

[@jehoiakimelidoronila5450]

Brothers from different countries, I would say

[@freedomfirst7143]

My two favorite naval content creators in one place!! 👍👏

[@bobhealy3519]

Nothing better than Drach and Ryan together ❤ match made for Valentines day. Joke aside. 2 of the best world wide. This from a Big Mamie friend.

[@bebo4807]

I wouldn’t mind shooting my 5 inch gun into Ryan’s belt armor…

[@leechjim8023]

2 good looking hunks.

[@davowsp]

The Ryan/Drachinifel bromance is just adorable.

[@jamieknight326]

Wonderful seeing these two together. It also makes me giggle when drach says an idea was ‘shot down’ while talking about a battleship and stood next to a massive shell.

[@himoffthequakeroatbox4320]

Scuppered would be a better word.

[@Philistine47]

I've also read that the USN considered the 18" gun's muzzle blast a bit excessive - that it would have wrecked exposed fittings on the deck (such as, for example, AAA mounts). The development of the "super-heavy" 16" AP shell, as used by the USN's fast battleships, allowed the Navy to effectively up-gun their battle fleet without actually having to go up to a larger gun caliber.

[@Tuning3434]

I agree with the excessive part, especially as the 16"/50 and the super-heavy got really close to the performance of the US designed 18" gun. I don't think gun-blast perse was a major factor. More the fact that if you really don't want to compromise on other aspects of the ship, you really need a huge ship like Yamato, while you could have more ships, with more shells on target, with performance that is not that far behind an 18" gun. IMHO the USN wanted to be able to fight a BB engagement and win, but it also realized it would be mostly doing other things to actually win the war. The IJN really went into the mindset that they could humiliate a weak-willed Western opponent by crushing them hard in one grand battle involving subs, torpedo-engagements and a final BB clash and that the USN /RN would crawl back in their cosy Victorian era mansions without ever considering a fight again.

[@Wick9876]

I do wonder a bit about the super-heavy shell, as one way they increased the weight was by shrinking the explosive charge. Penetration is important but some boom on arrival seems similarly important.

[@Philistine47]

@Wick9876 Well, yeah. It's engineering, not magic - there's no such thing as "perfect," there are only tradeoffs to be balanced against each other. In this case, the choice was between bursting charge and penetration - with the context being that everyone expected navies to continue building battleships for decades to come, with 16" guns (and thus _protection against_ 16" guns) becoming the new standard. And after all, the Navy still had HC shells for when they just needed a bigger boom and didn't care about penetrating battleship-scale armor.

[@himoffthequakeroatbox4320]

@@Tuning3434 Oh it is. Nelson's 16" guns would damage the deck and break light bulbs when it fired. Yamato's 18" guns could concuss anyone exposed on deck when they fired. Before anyone asks, AA crews. And in WW1 a ship's pet chicken got all its feathers blown off by its own guns.

[@jayvee8502]

The US had an 18 inch gun already in testing too and it had a super heavy shell weighing almost 4k lbs. But the era of battleships were ending so further development of a super battleship ended as Aircraft carriers became the more effective way of striking the enemy.

[@barrydysert2974]

"You must be able to say that in your sleep." 😁 If Ryan gets any smoother or faster He'll sound like one of those speed-spoken disclaimers at the end of car ads 😂😂😂

[@shannonlim739]

Haha! Love how Ryan's looking more and more like an old sea captain

[@BobBacheler]

Wow. So much naval knowledge in one frame.

[@purleybaker]

These guys are great together. Drach's depth of knowledge and ability to recall it is unreal.

[@DEPARTMENTOFREDUNDANCYDEPT]

As a Navy veteran, let me say, OUTSTANDING!

[@TacoSallust]

Between Ryan's hands-on knowledge and Alex's historical and engineering knowledge, I could watch these guys chat all day. Kind of like watching Bernhard Kast and Nicholas Moran on "Military History not Visualized" recently.

[@Backwardlooking]

Fantastic. Great technical knowledge. As in Nature a larger opponent can be defeated by the blows is a more agile opponent landing more blows. Size isn’t an indication of fighting ability. 👍🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@claywilson2751]

I like the videos when Ryan uses himself as a unit of measurement.

[@davem2369]

Americans will always use anything but the metric system. Footbal fields, school buses, Ryan's etc 😄

[@Grove122]

@@davem2369 bacon is also a viable measurement for bullets

[@RonGardener4142]

@@Grove122 You can't possibly leave that comment hanging like that! Give us some context here please 😂

[@Grove122]

@@RonGardener4142 the Apache chain-gun fires 30mm bullets about the length of an uncooked strip of bacon and it also shoots them around 650/minute.

[@niekbeentjes8849]

@@Grove122 Would that be 650 Strips a minute? No wonder Obesitas is such a problem in the US.

[@kevinwayne7546]

That Guy is Cool. Thanks for bringing him in.

[@thegreatchewwyexpress8044]

Im so happy to see ryan and drach in a video together, we need drach going through ships and nerding out on details. I think would be great content. I would love to see drach stop by Texas in her dry dock state. I'm going to be scheduling a tour here soon and can't wait.

[@The_Modeling_Underdog]

Congratulations to Drach for receiving the coveted "Curator Unit of Measure" recognition from Ryan.

[@yakhooves]

I love that we have Ryan and "British Ryan." You two look more similar than I would have thought and I love it. Been watching both channels forever now.

[@Kenshindegozaru]

A pleasure to see this 2 fine gentlemen together in one video. Just amazing.

[@mulletoutdooradventures6286]

These 2 are the only channels I even watch anymore. Living in Philly and having so much naval history and having the NJ and Ryan just across the river in slightly biased 😂. But Drach is the man. He's got literally every ship in his head.

[@tools6106]

Love the channel, the 16” guns were and are the greatest compromise between ability to create damage and high rate of fire!

[@brandondimmitt8467]

Drach is literally the best historian I follow on KZbin! He’s a wealth of knowledge

[@XanderDorn]

Some ship designs are so crazy, if you would read about them in a science fiction or diesel punk novel you would deem them too unrealistic.

[@waynesworldofsci-tech]

My friend Leo Champion has written an SF series with tanks that had 21” guns. I pointed out the ammo handling issues to him. He laughed, and pointed out this is far enough in the future that they’d have the handling equipment. Check out Desert Strike, it’s a great romp.

[@pizzaivlife]

tbf an Iowa or Yamamoto would seem unrealistic to a WWI sailor

[@newbasilisk4032]

*Tillman on KRAK* How about, we arm our ship, with 24 guns in sextuple turrets!

[@pamgettel9056]

@@waynesworldofsci-tech comity sf ? HAMMERS SLAMMERS much more plausible in tank format long time sf and military reader 1952 just saying

[@waynesworldofsci-tech]

@@pamgettel9056 Leo was writing for fun. He also does some interesting stuff with the background cultures.

[@matthewmoore5698]

Fascinating thank you chaps

[@sielingm]

Its like the avengers....they finally team up and its amazing

[@nx014]

the US Navy during interwar years of WWI and WWII tested firing of 18 inch naval guns on land along with the 16 inch guns . The US Navy noticed that the shells for the 18 inch naval guns weigh more than the 16 inch naval guns and the loading time was slower as well. The US Navy went on to use the 16 inch naval guns

[@Rammstein0963.]

Same reason we settled for the 50 cal. For our fighters and bonbers, as opposed to more cannons like everyone else, we figured the 50 could carry more ammo on board, fire faster, and generally would be "good enough".

[@craigevan9649]

Drach, are you still scheduled to aboard the USS Midway on Thursday 1:00pm? I’ll be driving down from OC to see you and the ship. Thanx for all that you do! Thanx to your wife too for supporting you!

[@Drachinifel]

Yep :)

[@Tuning3434]

@@Drachinifel 'start preparing another Chocomel bomb for miss Drach'

[@son_of_caesar8908]

GREAT COLLAB! I watch both of these channels and I love that they are working together.

[@keithstudly6071]

I think it depends on what you envision the ships mission to be. If you expect ship-to-ship combat and you have very accurate fire control then go with the big guns. If you see the main mission as carrier escort and shore bombardment even 14" might be best because it allows you to more completely saturate the target area with hits as the smaller guns will deliver more rounds during the time period.

[@gusbuckingham6663]

I like Drach and and Ryan's channels. Combined even better.

[@aserta]

If people look online for the rail, and wonder where it is, and happen to find a top down drawing of the Monitors modified to hold the 18in guns, it's the round (piano like) shaped lines. It goes around the gun, with a chevron termination on the far end, and a (i believe) parking line that forks parallel to the "piano end loop". From a drawing i found, i think storage on deck would've been 61 shells on the upper deck.

[@Bovey100]

Drach on the New Jersey!!!! Good to see!!!!!!

[@noneofyourbusiness2997]

There was the Duilio class of 450mm (17.7") class 🙂

[@robertreedjr5072]

You all should go to naval weapons station Dalgren, they have fire able 18",16",14" gun barrels,plus the armor from the Yamato shipyard that was tested (they shot it), plus other surface warfare guns.

[@olegadodasguerras3795]

2 legends of KZbin Nice vídeo

[@numbercrunched]

Nice tow my favorite historians together. I would love to see you guys to a debate on modern ships. Another good one to have on a channel with me Aaron from sub brief.

[@strelnikoff1632]

Thanks to the battleship New Jersey for its support of us ground pounders in Vietnam!

[@marcm.]

16 versus 18 in sounds very much like the five versus six inches in the smaller warship categories... The increase in the caliber just didn't pay off versus the in practice fire rate

[@scottshort3718]

I hope you guys do more videos! You two really know your stuff!!

[@reese2694]

Do you mean more videos together? If not and you're new to this channel and Drachinifel...better strap in.

[@simongleaden2864]

I recommend Drach's KZbin channel to any subscribers or other fans of Ryan's channel. Very informative videos. Great to see this conversation between two experts who clearly love the subject of big gun capital ships.

[@Xmaster1990]

nice to see both of my fave ship youtubers together!

[@Williestyle-RobotechxMacross-x]

Thank you for the video! Glad to see Drachinifel over to talk with Ryan. (:

[@MrAjmay1]

Thanks for the collab guys... Great teamup!

[@erictwickler4247]

Thank you Ryan and Drach I try to catch all your videos for straight dope on warships.

[@bobbenson6825]

Lovely to have both of these men doing a vid together. Peak content.

[@admiralbeatty6083]

Wish I could have gotten up to see you both. Very best wishes!

[@nomore9203]

good to see Drachinifel.

[@jimmins31]

Saw drach in person on Saturday at the BB NJ. Very cool. Enjoyed the vid.

[@NathanDudani]

More Drachinifel collaboration!!!

[@dennissmith8947]

Great duo!!!

[@carrickrichards2457]

Useful stuff. Thank you

[@mamarine81]

Ryan legit looks like he's about to skipper a U-Boat into the Atlantic. 😉 Great work. Keep it up.

[@brovold72]

Would be a tough gig for a (seemingly) tall fella.

[@davidrenton]

Drach looks like he about to the death star run

[@brianberry1851]

It was great seeing you two in person last weekend and was well worth the trip.

[@robertpalma7946]

I always enjoy your videos the 16" guns were the ideal size

[@rooh5825]

Oh crap, two of my favorite naval commentators!!! NICE!!!

[@donaldkwasnicki9554]

Enjoyed the speaking event with you both.

[@andredegraaf1643]

So much for my idea of mounting one big gun on a small ship. Been done and now I can see how that does not work. Fun to see that the idea was actually tried.

[@Gates54]

Great seeing you two together! Love both of your channels!

[@mortimersnerd4156]

I really liked the fact that Drachinifel was on your podcast, Kudos! A good presentation, I always wondered why the bigger is better didn't hold true for battleships. However, that said, aviation and carriers would be the death knell for the battleship and no gun measurement was going to halt the movement to aviation.

[@Redlin5]

Amazing vid, love both Ryan and Drach's work!

[@ghrey8282]

What a high caliber video!

[@user-pd5ot4zd4b]

Oh cool! Love both your channels, great collab!

[@31dknight]

Another great video from the battleship. Keep it going

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

Great video, guys...👍

[@Aaron-cb2dd]

The N3 battleships were also due to use improved versions of these 18 inch guns, wish they were built! 😭

[@Knight6831]

Yeah the N3 Class Hyper -Dreadnoughts would be hard in a post WW1 and Pandemic World

[@Captain_Seafort]

There's also one of the 101,000 theories of what the QE (or modified QE) class HMS Agincourt was going to be

[@petestorz172]

Re the weight vs. the number of guns and rate of fire question, the USN's 8" gun cruisers and the Brooklyn class 6" gun could speak to this. The 8" guns had heavier shells, but their rate of fire was slower, and the Brooklyns had 15 instead of 9 guns. The 6" shell might not penetrate a larger ship's armor, but that larger ship's superstructure getting smothered would have a high chance of causing a "mission kill".

[@jessecarozza8134]

First VenomGeekMedia and now Battleship New Jersey! Drach gets around!

[@pauld6967]

Always nice when both of you work together on a topic.

[@paulgee8253]

Cool to see two of my favorites collaborating.

[@radiosnail]

Excellent video. I recall reading that the Japanese did look at a design with 6 x twenty inch guns.

[@tertiaryobjective]

One of my favorite tag teams.

[@jerrywagner6416]

Great stuff!👍🏻

[@John-ci8yk]

Awesome video, thank you and thumbs up. You guys work well together.

[@andriiyevdokymov6781]

The Iowa project under 18 "was worked out. But at 45000 tons, the maximum contractual displacement, i.e. 35000 + 10000 escalators, only 7 guns were obtained and there was no certainty that 33knt would be obtained in normal displacement. And the speed for the Iowa project was the main characteristic. In fact Iowa is a battlecruiser. So the fact that the Iowas did not get 18 "was not because of the mythical low rate of fire, but because of contractual restrictions and speed requirements.

[@joeblow9657]

fascinating stuff with my favourite KZbinr as a guest

[@1roanstephen]

Rate of fire and number of barrels firing seems to be the real King of Battle. A 12 gun broadside firing every 30 to 45 secs is far more shell weight delivered than a larger gun that means fewer barrels and lower rate of fire. I would love to see a statistical account of how many hits were actually obtained in battle per salvo.

[@fredinit]

Agreed - Very much like automatic weapons... which can throw more lead at the opponent per unit time. Now, if you could get an three 18" triples with the same rate of fire as a 14" or 16" - I'll take the 18".

[@1roanstephen]

@@fredinit Unfortunately, no one could make that happen.

[@Nitramrec]

If you ever get the chance to come in shooting distance ... And don't forget the thicker armour of larger ships with larger guns ...

[@himoffthequakeroatbox4320]

You forgot about range.

[@higgydufrane]

@@1roanstephen Never say Never.

[@billharm6006]

Nice to see this presenting pair. My viewpoint is largely uneducated, but I'll share it: Seems to me that accuracy and penetration are most important. Accuracy improvements can have many forms, one of which is the feedback from previous rounds. In turn, rate of fire affects that feedback: More shots = more correction opportunities. As to penetration, mass helps, but so does velocity. Considering the equation: Ke = 1/2 M V^2, the increase in velocity seems important. Thus, gun caliber becomes a factor. I conclude that there is a reasonable argument for lower diameter, longer barreled guns. They load more quickly but still hit very hard. Besides, you can put more shells and propellent in the same magazine space (relative to larger diameter rounds).

[@subvet694]

You two are having altogether too much fun😎

[@kenneththebruce]

Drachinifel has to be the best naval historian alive.. his knowledge is endless!!

[@beckismith2373]

Dammit I need to go to sleep early as I'm working super early tomorrow morning, this vid title looks like it will be awesome! I have a little model I made from balsa of HMS furious and that was a ship with a single 18-inch gun., my version fires paperclips lol 🙂 😆

[@Biggarou]

2 legends together on a legend

[@SethBondArtist]

My two favorite KZbinrs in one place!!

[@pittsburghmcconnell]

Thank you

[@megan00b8]

In my opinion the long 16 was a much better idea than 18. Sure, there's the obvious increase in penetration, but another important factor is that with the higher velocity your accuracy goes up, and both your effective and maximal ranges increase significantly, plus you need no changes to manufacturing because you can fire the same 16in shells and use the same propellant bags, just more of them, this makes practical implementation much easier I reckon. To add to the list, because the shell is the same weight you can reload almost at the same pace, and can physically store more ammo aboard the same ship, and most likely fit more guns, all adding to your chances of first hit.

[@teambridgebsc691]

Educational, excellent & oil for the dream. Love the engineering; respect the wet.

[@lancethompson6839]

Enjoyed that thorouhgly. Thanks!

[@kidscode3702]

Basically a drach full body reveal on a different channel, what a meme, 10/10 content

[@robertmills8640]

More 16", Tillmans all the Way😋😁

[@mkhklh8763]

A colab of dreams. Look at those glorious breads. Little known though is Drac is obsessed with the Every day Astronaut as evident by his dress.

[@StylinandProfilinBBsandBBQ]

Great video guys!

[@eze8970]

TY 🙏🙏

[@ThePsiclone]

Etiquette Ryan, you should introduce your guest at the same time as yourself, not at the end when he's finished speaking. Sure we all know who he is but its good manners. That said it was a very interesting presentation thank you :D A suggestion of topic for you might be those rammers used to push the shell and charge bags into the gun. Looks like a chain but you cant push a chain...what's going on with that?

[@ArcanisUrriah]

Good to see you two crossing paths. :)

[@Knight6831]

Well the Yamatos had them as HMS Furious and Lord Clive Class Monitors, the HMS General Wolfe and HMS Lord Clive got 1 single 18" turret and the 3rd was intended for the HMS Prince Eugene

[@CapnDan2022]

Well done, gentlemen.