Battlespace 'The Cardassian Border war' Battle of Setlik 3

[@thefishoftruth235]

Considering the fact that the Federation was de facto at war with Cardassia, it makes their failure to intervene on Bajor even more unacceptable

[@lynngreen7978]

The real impressive part was that Starfleet Intelligence wasn't even interested in the Bajor system. Otherwise they'd have known Ferengi weren't cannibalistic, and weren't terribly physically impressive. Quark was on Terok Nor long before official First Contact was made at Delphi Ardu.

[@miles2378]

I thought the Cardasian ocupation of Bajor predated the Boarder wars by several decades.

[@Rabijeel]

Bajor was not "inside Federation Space". It was like the US intervening in some African Country. Large Distance for supplys, no local production, Supplylines had been able to be pirated by Cardassians. The few Outposts and settlements were not developed enough yet and thus is the reason Cardassia sought to prevent them from developing further. It's kinda the final Frontier where the Farms and settlements were out there on their own - there were no Forts or such there; the overtaken Station Terok Nor was formed as the first one. Also, the Federation had been able to crush Cardassia, but that had not soved any problem. In Fact, as the Political Enviroment was problematic, doing so had weakened the Bond to the Klingons more - ironically. Also, the Romulans, in their weakened Position and fearful as ever, had surely not considered any "Peace Talks" with a Federation that Geonicided off a whole Race. The real disgrace is that they did not intervene to help Cardassia in the first Place, which had earned them a new Ally and solved a later Dominion-War Problem. That also had shown the Romulans that independent cooperation with the Starfleet had saved a Empire rather than killing it off, strenghening the whole Sector. That Way, Cardassia had been able to overcome their Problems and return to their former Political System of balnace and culture. The Romulans could also profit from huge recources set free for not needing to completeley control rather than just "spy around friendly" aka diplomacy. Their Research in Fields and Dimensional Physics had been very valueable for Federation as Federation Particle Physics had for them, even saving their Planets. Klingons could have had... .welll, nothing aside "beeing Klingons". Everything else could be understood as derogative, and that is clearly not my intention as their honor is the most impressive Feat aside their prowess in Combat. And Cardassians could have become an economical backbone for the whole Region, rivaling the Ferengi Economy in trade and production Efficiency. Just think what happens when the Dominion meets this Federation and the other allied Empires. Look at the size and capabilitys of the Cardassians and then look at what they pumped out into the War. Their efficiency is most impressive and - to be honest - the Klingons have enslaved more Races than the Cardassians; even after the Khitomer Accords and the Treaty of Khitomer.

[@matheuscerqueira7952]

It was not a part of the federation. You can't take all the fights and honestly, it's wrong to perceive oneself as the galaxy police force. They simple had nothing to do there

[@thekaiser3815]

Peace at any cost

[@Audioholics]

As an avid Star Trek fan circa 2009, I absolutely love your videos.

[@chrism5770]

I watch this and think about Maxwell and the Phoenix and how right he was. The wounded. Then the Chain of Command episodes when they are trying for Minos Corva again.

[@cdrocrossdiscovery]

The Battle of Setlik III figures prominently in three of the episodes of the screenplay I'm writing for my audio drama, from both the Federation and Cardassian POV. Nice storywriting, by the way.

[@Clenched.Cheeks]

Let me know when it's out! I'll have a listen.

[@cdrocrossdiscovery]

@@Clenched.Cheeks Thank you for saying that. Most kind.

[@jeffhallam2004]

I have been excited about this video! So little is known about the Cardassian Federation wars in Canon.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

I've been collecting info on it for a fanfic, myself. Disagree on some points, but the buildup is pretty similar.

[@joeromenzak9968]

Entertaining. There's much material available for explanation in the periods between episodes, movies and the relationship between the different series. You do a pretty good job. +1

[@stephenconroy5908]

Wow, I'm surprised Starfleet performed so well! I always assumed they were tactically naive with few exceptions until nearly the Borg and the Dominion War.

[@patrickmurray2662]

I find myself thinking the same thing until I remember that Starfleet is deceptively vicious, which seems proportionate to how threatened they feel (especially Earth). Archer was prepared to suicide-bomb the Xindi weapon and Picard was prepared to execute a Borg genocide after each enemy threatened Earth just once. While Odo was on Earth to help with security (because Earth felt threatened), Starfleet infected him with the intention of causing complete genocide. I think a really interesting and under appreciated moment in all of Star Trek was Martok’s reaction to the Breen attack on Earth. He basically said that even the Klingons didn’t have the balls to attack Earth like that. Since the Klingons have more balls than is reasonable and also glorify honorable attacks they can’t survive, it could be inferred that Klingons had a familiarity with Starfleet (humans in particular) that extended to a wisdom about the dangers of their true nature when backed in a corner. But until they get backed into that corner, I agree with you that they never seem like they have it in them.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

i agree the more politicized and bureaucratic nature of the federation combined with the fact its constantly expanding means its quite easy to lose touch with citizens and ignorant of their concerns. in my view of the 4 years war the klingons were perfectly happy to conduct maneuver warfare in deep space destroying fleets sent their way. Similarly with the Cardassians they know the federation wants to limit the conflict so won't take the initiative. allowing the cardassians to fight the battles they want. it won't be until later with the launching of the Galor class that the federation politicians take the cardassians seriously.

[@andrewdevine3920]

Well they had been fighting the Klingons and Romulans for centuries by this point, so there's no reason to think that...

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Though I do tend to think that no full war started until the 2350s, and the 2347 date is vague at best. So it may not have lasted more than 5 or so years of actual in depth fighting..

[@matthewcaughey8898]

@@patrickmurray2662 shran once said “ don’t push the pinkskins to thin ice” he wasn’t kidding. Tales of how visceral and viscous humanity can be are told with caution by many of the alpha quadrant powers. Quark once claimed “ take away our comforts and we can be nastier then any Klingon “. Other races are very well aware of what motivated humans are capable of. It’s our duality, while friendly and confident on the surface inside we’re still those brutal cavemen and when needed we can tap into it. The scarier thing is that we can control our rage and direct it and use it from time to time

[@LucianLacroix]

Typically platoons are numbered 1,2,3 etc and companies are lettered Alpha, Bravo, Charlie etc. Great video!

[@nsr-ints]

I mean, we probably don't know how futuristic multispecies force works, so I'll suppress my disbelief for a bit. 😂

[@sevatar2777]

You are slowly becoming my favorite KZbinr for star trek lore keep it up man quality work

[@nicholaswalsh4462]

Honestly, the Cardassian Border War is an example of what makes the Federation terrible in my view. They abandoned their own citizens and countless other innocents to brutality and abuses, simply because they didn't want to experience any hardship.

[@unc0mm0n2]

This makes no sense. They didn't abandon anyone besides petulant children.

[@nicholaswalsh4462]

@@unc0mm0n2 you must be forgetting all the Federation citizens left on the wrong side of the border with no support.

[@lyinarbaeldeth2456]

You mean the ones who refused to recognize the peace treaty and be relocated - at the Federation's expense - to worlds on the Federation side of the new border? Nobody was abandoned. A war was fought over this. Starfleet personnel died over this. It was not, ultimately, a war that could be won without critically weakening the Federation against other threats. There was a negotiated peace. Both sides gave up colony worlds to the other. Both sides relocated their civilians to respect the new border. Some refused to leave. That is their own fault.

[@nicholaswalsh4462]

@lyinarbaeldeth2456 right. Because the government forcing people to leave their homes is a good thing. And I should note that the Maquis didn't start fighting until AFTER the Cardassians had engaged in provocations, attempting to again force them from their homes. And while these people were on the Cardassian side of the line, they were still Federation citizens. Citizens abandoned to the not so tender mercies of the Cardassians until they began to stand up for themselves. THEN the Federation decided to care. Not when the Cardassians were arming their settlers and using the military to force Federation citizens from their homes. Only when those Federation citizens took up armed resistance to defend their homes and communities. And what did the Federation do? They punished the Maquis.

[@eustacemcgoodboy9702]

Sounds like the European Union...

[@b-chroniumproductions3177]

*Cardassians enslave another race* Federation: I sleep *Cardassians suffer a brutal disease* Federation: I sleep *literally anything happens* Federation: either ignores it or backs down Is it just me, or does Starfleet let everyone slap them around with a fish?

[@viralshadow]

The Federation at this time was obsessed with peace and the idea that diplomacy could solve any conflict. Even their starships, while advanced, were not designed for long term conflict. The Borg dispelled that notion and the Dominion eradicated it all together.

[@timaahhh]

​ @viralshadow I wouldn't say the Federation was obsessed with peace, but it was logical against the alpha and beta quadrant powers they faced. You have to remember this is a post scarcity society. The federation has mastered energy production and converting energy into matter using deuterium which is among the most abundant fuel in the universe. It wasn't until they faced enemies they could not reason with the Borg and the Dominion that the Federation needed to change their footing. The Federation has no need for fertile land they are incredible efficient at recycling old ships and facilities we often seen 100+ year old ships in perfect working order. They can convert uninhabitable planets into habitable ones. The dominion jokes Federation engineers can turn rocks into replicators. In the vastness of space the Federation will glady horse trade colonies to avoid war. They can always just teraform a new planet anyways. While that does create problems for some colonist the federation is logical, fighting a few rebellious colonist makes a whole lot more sense than fighting a regional power. And if you do have to fight a regional power better to do it when you have a greater technological and strategic advantage. The Federation was constantly expanding exploring and integrating new races, planets, and developing new technology at much greater rates than anyone else in the quadrant. All the while Cardassia could not subdue Bajor in 50 years, Bajor... a planet with minimal technology, ships, or weapons. The Federation likely didn't see the Cardassians as a major threat but knew they could bog them down like Bajor was bogging down Cardassia and the Federation didn't have significant enough interest in getting into with Cardassia so they opted for peace when they could.

[@tech83studio38]

It's the writers hun

[@infinitecanadian]

No shit. Like the Treaty of Algeron.

[@manoflemancha2407]

Outside alien race taking over another world. That is under the prime directive.

[@timothyhiggins8934]

The events of the political backlog and it's military effects are similar to the American involvement in the Vietnam War. Great video

[@JeanLucCaptain]

this proves ABSOLUTELY that the Prime directive is completely insane

[@valenrn8657]

Vietnam war wasn't US territorial defence like Pearl Harbor. US-supported French foreign policy on South Vietnam. French and South Vietnam governments have invited US into South Vietnam.

[@andrewlancefield3730]

@@valenrn8657 the French where an occupation force and didn't invite the USA and had left long before, also the South didn't invite the USA they asked for military aid, the USA faked attacks on destroyers so they had justification for direct action because they bad an irrational fear of a communist domino theory... learn your history

[@valenrn8657]

@@andrewlancefield3730 Your argument is hypocritical when Battle of Dien Bien Phu took place in 1954 between Việt Minh forces under Võ Nguyên Giáp, supported by China and the Soviet Union against the French Union's French Far East Expeditionary Corps, supported by US financing and Indochinese allies.

[@valenrn8657]

@@andrewlancefield3730 Military advisors from the People's Republic of China (PRC) began assisting the Viet Minh in July 1950, PRC weapons, expertise, and laborers transformed the Viet Minh from a guerrilla force into a regular army. In September 1950, the United States created a Military Assistance and Advisory Group (MAAG) to screen *French requests for aid* , advise on strategy, and train Vietnamese soldiers. By 1954, the United States had spent $1 billion in support of the French military effort, shouldering 80 percent of the cost of the war. ------------- 1. Notice *French request for aid* 2. Your argument hypocritical. Russians wanted the US to respect Russia's sphere of influence while Russians break the sphere of influence agreement with the US.

[@LoneWolf0568]

This was a great informational piece. Your background music though was a bit loud and tended to overpower your voice at times.

[@syndicalist-0]

Ive been dying for lore on this war. Thank you lol

[@nonamebleach]

BRUHHHH, this video is making so much things from Trek make so much more sense now. 💯

[@deinekes9]

I love the strategic and political interplay you got going. The border war is a criminally underdeveloped part of the ST canon. For constructive criticism, you could further reinforce the main idea that the Federation "lost" the border war because it could afford to lose the war. I would suggest you have the Cardassians go very messy, namely urban combat and promoting instability. Maybe use Henry Kissinger's advice that "having 75 percent of your territory 100 percent secured is far better than having 100 percent of your territory 75 percent secured". Also build upon 4th gen warfare that modern dictatorships tend to be good at; that freighter incident should be the first of a slew of terrible incidents where the Cardassians make sure nobody knows the full truth of the matter.

[@pt29999]

Excellent work! If you take suggestions, I would love to see a video one day on the battle of Ganalda IV between Starfleet and Klingons...or anything regarding the Klingon - Fed war. Thanks!

[@chrissonofpear1384]

The ST: Online one?

[@ProLogic-dr9vv]

I remember this Kirk was injured and in a lot pain so Spok was in command of the Enterprise so Kirk with help from Dr. McCoy convinced Spok to report to sick bay to give blood to save his father, Sarek 7:15

[@michaelcooney9368]

Have to mention about the ground based combat. OK in star trek universe, even hand phasers are so overpowered it's insane, and it's really hard to imagine close in urban combat or firefights when each soldier's carrying essentially a handheld artillery battery. A simple phaser pistol is like a super flamethrower mixed in with a neutron bomb. If the gloves come of and people use them at highest setting/wide field, your projecting a cone of relativistic exotic particles across hundreds of feet, you don't even really need to aim, if somebody's in that cone, even if their bodies absorb a fraction of it's energy, like standing next to a naked atomic pile. Ionizing shattering dna and cells, connective tissue turning to goo. You could kill everyone in a theater or auditorium in one shot.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

i agree that the dialogue implies that. but given that its never really shown to be that powerful such as in 'the siege of AR-558' i think we should go with what we see rather than what the writers allege. given that they ignore it when it becomes inconvenient. because frankly that kind of power is jumping the shark. maybe if you overload a hand phaser you could take out a small building. but anything more than that is ludicrous

[@timberwolf1575]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Not to mention the power density of the thing's batteries. Think about the kind of power storage technology you have to have in a phaser to vaporize a body in about 1 second like we see in TOS, WOK, TNG, etc. It takes many joules to completely vaporize a body... The phasers in DS9 (like Siege of AR 559) have a much more realistic level of damage (if still HIGH power). The increased size of the phaser rifles also helps with power storage and density. I should note power density is a massive problem with phasers because any way of moving power from storage to beam emitter will have waste heat. Whether it is EPS based, uses superconductors, or is based on some exotic conductor, the waste heat would fry the user's hand without super insulators. In many cases, the electromagnetic field generate by the flow of charged particles or electricity would be strong enough to pull iron out of human blood's hemoglobin and do bad things to bone and potassium in muscles. Depending on the frequencies of the EM fields you could end up with a microwave effect impacting other materials (like water in a microwave). Now, I would expect the designers to work on settings, shielding, and power delivery to be designed to mitigate those effects. But there is only so much you can do when pointing a particle accelerator powered by a small fusion reactor at someone else. Ironically, the multitude of settings would actually make the problem worse.

[@rinck17]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Good old fashioned belt fed weapons and Claymore mines would've been more effective at AR-558 than phaser rifles that as shown on screen were essentially semi-auto only.

[@aiosquadron]

@@rinck17 I'd think Starfleet would have like, machine phasers and stun grenades, but I think the entire point of AR558 was its undermanned and underequipped.

[@PhilDrury]

Funny thing about that dust-buster phaser design of seasons 1&2 of TNG... looks like a 1953 movie Martian heat ray. Probably why it's my favourite of the TNG era Phasers. Well that and so many shampoo bottles could become a phaser for a kid at the time.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Very unintentionally a product of its time. You compare that to star wars weapons which are timeless.

[@nsr-ints]

I much more prefer the model 2371 "Boomerang" phaser pistol. Easier to aim, higher capacity, better stopping power and higher muzzle velocity. Also a lot more comfortable.

[@justinbachand4254]

Well done! Looking forward to your next chapter.

[@climberly]

Great video! Thank you for your hard work!

[@komradewirelesscaller6716]

You always have such cool and informative Trek vids! Great pic for music too!!

[@stonem0013]

Would've been worth mentioning that individual Cardassians saw Setlik III as a tragic mistake, as that Gul remarked

[@AkenValle]

Benjamin Maxwell and Rutledge. So looking forward to this.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Me too. I've been planning a fanfic of this event for months. I do have it a somewhat different way than this video, though - including dates.

[@AkenValle]

@@chrissonofpear1384 When you write it, post me link.

[@stuew6]

You should do ship from Cardassian Warship types

[@Futuretense101]

Agreed!

[@tarikshell9719]

Excellent information on the federation war with the cardassian Union

[@frigidmonk]

Good narration and intriguing story. You have a new subscriber.😎👍

[@blacktronpavel]

Great job. The my only critique was use of non-Star Trek imagery or ones that didn't match the era (Kirk and Bones from STII). The use of production artwork was excellent so I would recommend that for future video documentaries.

[@Emanon...]

"Peace in our time" appeasement seems to be the MO of the Federation

[@jonathanaldridge4114]

Appeasement is not a bad thing . History has shown that often after a bloody war appeasement seems acceptable to maintain peace. But sometimes appeasement fails.

[@mostlymessingabout]

Now as always... we come in peace 😈

[@JeanLucCaptain]

Gul Dukat is a reasonable man.. I'm sure we can come to an arrangement! Everyone who ever read a History book sweats.

[@JeanLucCaptain]

@@mostlymessingabout Now hand over you ships, weapons oh and kindly lower your Shields and nobody will get HURT 🤗

[@JeanLucCaptain]

@@jonathanaldridge4114 Especially before the Actual war happens.

[@sagesheahan6732]

So, sir. I expect videos on all of the battles that are in your beginning credits, by the end of the year. All of those battles. All of them. K go.

[@pfinnerty]

We need a series during this era.....

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

be careful what you wish for. the last prequel we got was DISCO...

[@chrissonofpear1384]

I am preparing a fanfic on this very era/conflict, for later this year, potentially. Slightly differing from this video. I have Setlik in 2362 for instance (per "Tribunal", DS9)

[@yeldarbarrow3172]

Thar would be much more suitable given the current offerings we're getting! If they want to do Dark Trek then yes indeed a series featuring the Cardassian conflict might even be watchable. But they'll likely "retcon" all the ships and instead of Excelsior, Ambassador, Chekov and Mirandas we'll get some bizarro "discoverse" designs that will be more head scratchers. And completely different Fed uniforms, foes unrecognizable as TNG/DS9 Cardassians.... :(

[@trekwars5400]

Thank you so much. My next video I will ask my little group to fallow you.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

any support is appreciated.

[@trekwars5400]

Got some Love for you at the End of the Video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqaWn4Vsj7xlpbs

[@allistar7560]

I really enjoyed this looking forward to watching more good job :)

[@terrencechilds8984]

Now ben Maxwell knows how to deal with the dam cardassians let him handle them

[@SHRPY-lb4qm]

Fantastic video excellent storytelling 👍👍👍

[@captainsquarters1030]

This is a great series of videos. I love it.

[@Shortsircut1]

Totally enjoyed this video, thank you so much for making and posting it!!!

[@patricklenigan4309]

Would be great if this series and romulan earth war series could be put into their own specific Playlist one day

[@brunneng38]

Loving these videos

[@foresta-2684]

The classical music works so well

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

thanks im a real lover of classical music and it really is for me inseparable from sci fi equally you want to try and balance to avoid being too cliched.

[@stephenegan784]

Its eerily like some of the ambient music from Battlestar Galactica, beautiful music

[@warrenreid6109]

I would like to see you do the tellerain wars with both the cardassians and the federation. Maybe you could even explain what the were doing during the dominion war.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

as would i. it would be quite interesting, as both were pretty low tech, the combat would likely be more like the Expanse or halo.

[@megadoomerr]

The music when you introduce Maxwell and the Rutledge hits home, sad but in a good way. If that makes sense.

[@matthewbarabas3052]

except when they did do that.

[@JasonFoxTheGreat]

great work

[@stevefelten1197]

Thank you I am currently writing a Star Trek novel and there is relative to no stories about the Federation Cardassian war.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

yeah its odd particularly when you think how close to tng it was. it must have been a highly formative event for a lot of the enterprise crew.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

I have the same idea, though set in 2350s (dates for a 2347 massacre were vague at best, and likely retconned during DS9) Look for it later this year, maybe, fanfiction.net (The Ranks of Death...')

[@stevefelten1197]

@@chrissonofpear1384 My story is going to take place During the Dominion war, main character is a veteran of the Cardasian war, and captain of one the first Akira class starship..

[@edsr164]

Why didn’t the Rutledge destroy the cardassian troops with an orbital bombardment? If they used a low frequency but focus phaser beam they could have stun all of them, like Scotty Montgomery did once

[@jamieslingsby9907]

i'd say using orbital weapons against troops is probably considered a war crime or something like that. it's something starfleet wouldn't do.

[@lancem4473]

Appeasement never deters aggression, it only invites war.

[@marcusjustice6165]

8:58 to 9:08 The New President of The United Federation of Planets had a strikingly beautiful resemblance to Dame Helen Lydia Mirren DBE-The Most Excellent Order of The British Empire.

[@MrEtherguy]

You seem to be the only comment to acknowledge that. My immediate thought was, "UFP President Helen Mirren?"

[@ussvoyager8650]

That was a really great video I totally enjoyed it very much

[@jimbeam4736]

Birth of the Federation was one of my favorite games of all time. Such a shame it doesn´t run under Win 10.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

there's something to be said for a lot of old PC games. i used to love' Star Wars Episode 1 Podracer' how they haven't remade it is beyond me. Star trek conquest on the wii was great.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

I never did play Starfleet Command 3... Currently found lots of stats and other info for Kilngon Academy, though, on klingonacademy.wikia...

[@paultarelli34]

Yeah you can play botf on Windows 10. There's a great emulator with mods that keep the game fresh. Here's the community page link. www.armadafleetcommand.com

[@mariotomic5664]

It does run 😉

[@timsimms65707]

For an old fan these videos are both informative and entertaining. It is too bad this timeline has been sidelined by the new Trek, all this rich history is going to waste. It is a shame CBS saw fit to kill fan films with their new guidelines. I hope one day Star Trek will have it's license reunited so the original timeline can continue. Cheers!

[@FromMyBrain]

Legate! We have learned new intelligence on the Federation Heavy Cruiser! It is called the Oberth Class!

[@sigurdrr1015]

Impressive compilation

[@poseidon5003]

Even though I like new ships, it is common knowledge that the Cardassians probably used earlier variants of Galors. Types ones or twos.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

yeah personally i felt that would make the galor too old. and i think these FASA designs do a good job of showing just how technologically behind the cardassians were.

[@poseidon5003]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Well by TNG they were up the the type 3. Let me be clear. I like your videos. I was just giving an opinion. :) The Cardassian boarder war was not that long before TNG at all. So in reality, the Galors are not that old.

[@sethcourtemanche5738]

13:40 outranged fools!!!

[@billkeas7326]

Good job

[@lynngreen7978]

Where does the 18 year Betreka Nebula War (Klingon/Cardassian) take place in relation to the Cardassian/Talarian, Cardassian/Federation, and Federation/Talarian conflicts*? For Eighty Years of Peace, the Federation was involved in, directly or indirectly involved in a lot of conflicts. * doesn't include the Tholian and Romulan incursions or the Federation/Tzenkethi War

[@thekaiser3815]

I think that war was more the two sides shaking fists at each other

[@bjhan73]

well done

[@killerdoritoWA]

Beware the wrath of a patient Federation.

[@45580677]

Any ways on what Starfleet and the Federation should have done?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

in my personal opinion starfleet made to mistake of sending mixed signals. suggesting they were willing to compromise where they weren't. and constantly increasing presence then de-escalating. and that really plays on a cardassian paranoia.

[@45580677]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Just like NATO during the training of Able Archer almost made the Soviets launch there nukes if one person said they were not real. I know the USS Stargazer was the first ship to make contact behind the scenes the Cardies wanted to get the Replicator tech. They likely used it as a excuse or someone did as Replicator tech was part of the term to get them to back off. Still me I wish we just made the Cardassian Neutral Zone and Liberated Bajor instead of open season dug in along the line retask intel assets to this area as Cardies jump to major threat. As no one can resist a Orion slave girl spies from SI. Or Shapeshifting species in the Federation to do a behind the scenes of the Cardassians. Starfleet running around shooting doesn't match Starfleet style of open season but a blockade of the Federation border till the new bases and Starbases up. Any chance for a what if series?

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Good points. Also, SO Much of this vid is highly conjectural. I will want sources, I think? Stargazer met Cardassians (not first contact, likely - see Juhraya and Legaran conference) with an olive branch, but that does NOT have to mean a truce in a war. The DS9 Tech Manual and several novels imply the peak of the war was in the late 2350s, and the episode "Tribunal" implies Setlik was in 2362, not 2347. Some DS9 sources even imply O'Brien wasn't in Starfleet until 2350, additionally. It is one of several elements of O'Brien likely retconned between TNG and DS9 (And the 2347 date was always pretty vague, in context)

[@matthewbarabas3052]

nothing could be done. anything they do will be taken wrongly by the deeply paranoid cardassians.

[@stoopingfalcon891]

Good video, but the music is a bit too heavy handed.

[@just8310]

It's so loud and annoying. I had to stop watching the video.

[@aurorathekitty7854]

7:24 Is that Duncan Mcloud holding a phaser to a cardassian?

[@benjauron5873]

The background music is way too loud. I can barely hear what you're saying over it. You need to lower thr volume of the music.

[@captainsensiblejr.]

The Spoonheads always over-estimated their power while underestimating the Federation's resources.

[@babiskissanis2367]

i never understood why the federation does not use transporters offensively. If they could beam away teams down anywhere they wanted they could just beam the cardasians up when and where they wanted ... like.. an isolated island... the vaccum of space... or just ..delete the pattenrns in the buffer

[@brianjohnson5272]

22:57 is that Morgan Freeman in a fleet uniform?! I didn't know he was in any star trek show?!

[@8ullfrog]

It's a FAAAAKE.

[@aiosquadron]

"5 particle cannons and 4 spiral-wave disruptors" Sounds like Archer-era firepower... (I'm pretty sure Archer used particle cannons... Not sure about the spiral-wave disruptor though)

[@matthewbarabas3052]

id say its more inline with early kirk firepower at best.

[@stevennelson489]

More must have More! I love the Cardassian race it's so little is known about them there is so much more we could find out. Maybe one day we'll get another series that will have an officer be one and can learn more through them.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

that would be nice although i will say there is a wealth of subtext behind the characters we've already seen. Gul Madred in 'Chain of command' tells us a huge amount in only a few lines. and Garak gives us excellent insight to the 'average' cardassian. at least compared to his contemporaries.

[@stevennelson489]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 I always pictured them as Per federation earth. Out there exploring everything around them. Just that one bad economic crisis and they turned to the military for order to the chaos was happening and a few bad apples or maybe they were good men who just became corrupted by the power they were given led to them becoming aggressive and war like. Just also thinking about how different things could have been if they had reached out to the federation for help. I know they couldn't give them technology but I'm sure it would have been easy enough to replicate what was needed to save lives. Just how different the whole race could have turned out to be.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

true but the cardassians simply wouldn't have reached out to the federation. because they see it as very similar to their old way of life. and they don't want to return to that. bear in mind the cardassians in charge in this period grew up at the height of the hebititan decadence and suffering. the cardassians have a strong sense of group identity in the state, something that the federation threatens. if your a cardassian, talarian, or ferengi then the federation threatens your traditional way of life, and its influence to quote Garak is 'insidious' (like root beer) the only way to confront it is to aggressively push against it. peace is the federations greatest weapon.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Useful non canon sources include Last Unicorn game's Iron and Ash RPG guide, found online (pdf), and the fanfiction series/universe Sigils and Unions...

[@lisawatts-co5pt]

Maxwell was right! The Cardasians were planning an attack and if Picard and Star Fleet brass didn’t interfere the Dominion wouldn’t have had gotten an easy foothold in the Alpha quadrant.

[@cadmus547]

Love the commentary but your background music is way too loud. Should be just a hint. I notice this a lot on your videos. Just distracting but i appreciate your videos and commentary.

[@stephendoherty8291]

Do ship dimensions even matter- weight is a non concern nor is size (if you have a big enough drydock). Size does not mean personnel needed to operate it. Comparision to other ships like the Enterprise might be useful or the Romulan warbirds. SIze has no bearing on speed nor on agility in space. Weapons, speed to transit and any other attributed (cloaking) are worth knowing. These are not ships of the sea or flying in an atmosphere or dealing with gravity as they move. It seems amazing that FTL propulsion is discovered yet bingo the Vulcans give us anti-gravity which is an even more amazing gift for spaceships and moving mass

[@batman88ironman]

At 22.00 is that a constitution class of sorts?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

similar style but with 24th century components.

[@emperor1470]

Its the Admiral Morgan Freeman for me... I would love to see it 😬

[@rhodridavies9426]

Whilst this was a good lore video and very informative about an area of Star Trek than not so many might know about, I have to say, your voice over was a little quiet compared to your backing music. Even bringing the v/o up 3db would probably do the job, but as it is, there were a couple sections that were almost lost behind the music. Other than that, good job.

[@howardlanus8610]

Where are you getting this info from? I'm trying to find it but not having much luck.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

combination of dialogue subtext, beta cannon, and my own headcannon.

[@howardlanus8610]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 thanks

[@michael198427]

Their biggest drawback is they never built space stations around these colonies and those could have been used as a fort or sorts you would have the stations firepower and the ships within and also deter enemies thats should have been their defensive take

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

true but building a space station is a big undertaking and is generally only warranted on planets with large populations. given that most colonies on the frontier have a population of less than 100000 it would be a gross misallocation of resources.

[@michael198427]

Venom Geek Media 98 ok so they could build weapons platforms something I mean the way they left colonists on their own no wonder so many were captured killed and invaded its nuts

[@brandonandreski1709]

Individualism, spirituality, introspection? I get hedonism is bad, but those other three are amazing and essential for an enlightened peaceful society.

[@Jerkwad152]

Admiral Freeman is Best Admiral.

[@wolfman7284]

Good video and well delivered, only issue is that the music is FAR too loud. It is distracting and overpowering of your voice in some sections.

[@ldl1477]

Maybe someone can fill this in for me, but I don't get how a civilization can have fusion power, which runs off the most abundant element in the universe (hydrogen), but can't get enough calories to feed its citizens. Fusion + Grow Lights = Food, Food, Food. Am I missing something here? Or is this just a plot hole the DS9 writers just never covered?

[@kingofthespazs]

It makes you wonder why the federation didn't just send them replicators since they are already a post warp culture. letting people starve while you sit and watch doesn't seem very smart if you don't want to be resented.

[@miles2378]

After watching DS9 over the last 2.5 decades I beleve Cardasian government was pepetuating Zinophobia as state policy so even if the fedaration tried to send cardasia food replicators by the thousands the Government would have found a way to twist it into a Federation conspiracy in the court of piblic opinion.

[@terrencechilds8984]

Good news the cardassians are not much of a threat to the federation bad news the federation doesn't think the cardassians are a threat

[@henryburby6077]

masterful

[@DaveyChops]

The music is too loud

[@damirbabic8168]

you would think when the Cardassians attacked the federation the Klingons would have come to their aid not necessarily for any moral reason but as an excuse to capture more territory

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Except only a few years before the kithomer massacre had taken place and the klingons were rather busy.

[@brettcasey6507]

I feel bad for the people of star fleet and the outer colonies. Star fleet is never allowed to win wars and the colonies are always being ceded to appease obviously violent, less enlightened races. The treatment of the Maquis is a great example.

[@oldtwinsna8347]

It's the consequence of having a unified government body to include pacifists. The idea here is that after the Kirk era, relative peace took hold and the pacifist worlds had considerable influence in the Federation.

[@COMMANDERHAWK22]

i see that starwars photo you slid in there think ya slick .

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

in fairness your the first to notice...

[@Sephiroth144]

Starfleet's Motto- We don't know how to fight a war.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Ground one, at least...

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

"we'll figure it out.... probably."

[@Sephiroth144]

@@chrissonofpear1384 I mean, the Dominion War showed how well they handled a space based one... And insofar as a ground war- Orbital. Bombardment. Oh no, the Cardies crashed a transport and are unloading troops. Do we know where their ship/beach head is? We do... Do we have any photon torpedoes? Are the phasers still working? So why is that ship not a crater yet? Chop chop, people.

[@antoniopinto1579]

Star Trek seems to show a lack of the writers imagination and logical transformation of technical advancements possibilities in a future scenario. It's ridiculous to think that a warp space fairing civilization is not capable of producing enough food for their own population with falling in total anarchy.

[@mellowingwithage]

3:42 is thatt the Millennium Falcon? lol stay mellow ppl´s

[@InfiniteUniverse88]

Why did the Romulans and Telarians let the Cardassians colonize Bejor? Did they also have a prime directive that prevented them from interfering? Also, how many modern Federation ships were destroyed when the Cardassians won the border war?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

so the romulans are on the side of federation space. the Talarians lost their last war with the cardassians so didn't want round 2. to find out total losses you should watch the rest of the series.

[@oldtwinsna8347]

Because Bajor was a backwater society prior to the wormhole discovery. Nobody cared about their world. Including the warm hugging Federation.

[@45580677]

More please

[@charleslennonbaker]

"Sgt. Rutledge" would have been proud. Did y'all know the showrunners intentionally named the 'USS Rutledge' after Woody Strode's character from the movie?! They wanted to pay homage to this underappreciated (if not forgotten) 1960 John Ford production. If you get a chance you should screen the movie. It's groundbreaking for its time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bF7ZlICJi9SBoc0 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant_Rutledge The scene in court during his cross-examination by the prosecution will have you crying. It's one if not the best scene from the movie and possibly Mr. Strode's best performance other than his portrayal of "Draba" in Spartacus during his acting career and If you have seen "Spartacus" you'll know that Mr. Strode stole every scene he was in. It's interesting to note that Dr. Ford took multiple takes during the court scene [Sgt.Rutlege]. He wanted to make Mr. Strode furious in real life. He did. Mr. Strode was so mad at Ford (by the way they were life-long friends) that after the scene was finally shot Mr. Strode picked up the chair he was sitting in and threw it across the room shattering it! He told Ford to never EVER make him angry again. Strode walked off stage and began to sob...

[@tech83studio38]

Cardassia failed itself .

[@veritasome5965]

You can have all the advantages, but if you lack the political will to properly use them then half the battle has already been lost. To seek peace is admirable and should always be the first and most important objective in any potential conflict, but it can’t come at the cost of principle. A farce peace is only a war delayed, not halted.

[@terrencechilds8984]

The federation needs to be able to pro take its citizens from harm this can not be allowed to happen to them.

[@Phil-D83]

My understanding was that the union formed several hundred years before. Guess not.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

if we understand the union as the military government. then it has to have been formed within 50 years of TNG since gul madred can remember life before the military Junta.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

Or it's prominence, anyway. How long do Cardassians live?

[@miles2378]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 DS9 implies that the military/obsidian dominated government was in power for like 500 years.

[@alexruddies1718]

Are we all gonna ignore that Morgan Freeman is in Starfleet?!?! 22:50

[@thehillbillygamer2183]

Starfleet should have told the Kardashians after set like three you kill one civilian destroy one of your ships for every civilian you kill will destroy one of your ships

[@CaptainSovereign]

"Peace and exploration era"

[@alanmike6883]

Starfleet is so weak defending their own people