Battlestar Galactica: Cylon Fleet Breakdown - Spacedock Short

[@Spacedock]

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[@TheKurtkapan34]

Pictures were down for quite some time but seeing the whole wiki down was a big let down. didn't know they had a patreon page. thanks!

[@Monke-ch2ob]

Spacedock At last a video about BSG I've been waiting this for along time

[@splatoonistproductions5345]

Spacedock can you do a colonial short?

[@ivorybooker8957]

Spacedock Did you forget about the Basestars transatmospheric capability? In the BSG movie "The Plan", the Basestars actually went through the air of planets of the Twelve Colonies to attack them. It was done by rotating the axis of their ships to make them aerodynamic. Just thought I'd bring that up.

[@LeafseasonMagbag]

I am very interested in Battlestar Galactica, but my experience is limited. I understand that there is a very large amount of material fir the universe, and was wondering where you would advise me to start.

[@xensan76]

I like how the Cylon designs are the exact opposite of the Colonials: lightly armored long-range missile carriers compared to heavily armored close-range battleships. Kind of reflects their hatred of humanity.

[@Cowcow211]

@@Glidescube The what?

[@samlimbu384]

@@Glidescube gain technological advantage and launch strike from distance ? thats sounds more like murican tactic to me .

[@DanMcLeodNeptuneUK]

In my headcanon, only a certain minority of raiders have FTL drives installed. For economical reasons.

[@cgi2002]

@HaloBaller9813 there was good reason for this. Their entire fleet was based around a first strike, were their virus knocked out the human ships point defence capacity. Galactica kept this capability intact, and they rapidly realised that when engaging from range, their missiles were ineffective due to the flak screen. So in order to make their missiles more effective, they had to close the range (less flight time) and give Galactica something else to shoot at (the base ship itself). Under normal military logic, this was a bad idea, it would result in excess losses, but this wasn't normal logic, it was literally the entire cylon navy vs 1 ship, they could afford to take heavy losses for the chance to cripple or kill Galactica. Especially since, in nearly every battle that counted, there was a resurrection hub in range. That said, their big screw up was simple, why not arm a raider with nukes, attack Galactica at range with a base star, then have that raider do a precision FTL jump right up next to Galactica's hull, and let loose. Even if your not that precise, jump into the civilian fleet behind Galactica. All told the Cylons were dumb in most of their thinking, except for the initial attack, that was a thing of beauty. Consider Galactica attacks a Cylon base/ship, step 1 is have a raider jump away to a pre-set location, were 20 base ships are waiting, that can immediately respond. The instant travel long range FTL used in BSG is a straight up counter to the Galactica been able to launch any attacks, as your response is immediate and overwhelming.

[@DanMcLeodNeptuneUK]

@@piotrd.4850 If every raider gets an FTL it would result in much, much less raiders. Don't get caught up on wording.

[@Skirne]

Two points worth mentioning: Basestars are in-atmosphere capable. The two halves rotate the ship into an aerodynamic configuration. Basestars are capable of both planetary landing and takeoff. Also, Cylon missile tech extends the effective firing range of Basestars to one far greater than their Colonial counterparts, allowing them to directly engage with Colonial Battlestars while still well outside of that Battlestar's firing solution.

[@randyalerci7370]

Have we ever see the basestar-land go take off from a planet

[@HellsRaven4444]

@@randyalerci7370 Landing no. We've seen then enter a planet's atmosphere and there was also the Guardian basestar which was basically a prototype of the modern basestar that took off from an ice planet.

[@truta3715]

@@HellsRaven4444 Where can i see that?

[@HellsRaven4444]

@@truta3715 If you're talking about the entering the atmosphere, there's a short scene during the episode "The Plan". As for the Guardian Basestar takeoff, it was in the Razor Flashback miniseries episode 6 and 7.

[@jakeg3733]

While their range is much greater, it still becomes a standoff unless several basestars are able to "bracket" a Battlestar and execute a saturation attack. This is because of the battlestar's flak field and vipers, which as we've seen are able to take up point defense duties and intercept at least part of a barrage. The new Cylon basestars just weren't designed for a head on confrontation with colonial fleet, probably because the first war showed them that it would be impossible to win that way. I'd bet the new basestars are much cheaper to produce however

[@monarch3335]

Came back here after watching the "Why are Cylon Basestars So Useless" video and I legit facepalmed at "The Cylon Starfleet is highly effective and well rounded in combat" at 0:59, "The Cylon basestar is the backbone of the fleet, providing a *resilient* missile platform and force projection unit" at 2:49, and "Overall, the Cylon fleet is exceptionally balanced and versatile, designed around a core group of strategies which have led them to victory on many occasions (excluding any fight with Galactica, mainly New Caprica and Resurrection Ship)" at 4:46. Never change :)

[@cgi2002]

I like the "well rounded" bit. You have 4 ships, each if which is extremely highly specialised at doing 1 thing and only 1 thing. Gotta love it.

[@theomnissiah-9120]

These messages paid for by the Cylon empire

[@Arroway2357]

Coming from a die hard BSG fan, your matter-of-fact description of the Cylon forces made them sound extra frakking terrifying.

[@SultanOfAwesomeness]

Has anybody seen my FRAKKING TOASTERS?

[@Red_Lanterns_Rage]

Colonel, you left it in the frakking kitchen on the frakken counter with the frakkin bread..... *FRAKK!!!!* now if you'll excuse my I'm goin' ta frakkin bed to get some frakkin sleep.... wrekka frakka brekka frakka frakk.......

[@christian-michaelhansen471]

Daniel from SpaceDock: I continue to be thrilled and informed by your widely varied episodes covering all of the topics. From BSG to B5, Star Trek and War, Halo and beyond, I am always impressed by your attention to detail and analysis. Keep up the great work!

[@aztalyido]

The most beautiful space ship I've ever seen... All of this was happend before and it will happen again....

[@evancollins4458]

king ido ya I’m down for an ai uprising if their aesthetic choices are dank. Not some ugly ass sky net looking motherfuckers

[@sky173]

So say we all!

[@WMM-td4pk]

So say we all.

[@cjsparrow3295]

So say we all

[@krisgordon3116]

Great vid. I was under the impression that the Cylons had a maximum of 50 Basestars and therefore had to husband limited capital ship resources. That his was the reason for the hacking attack on the Colonies during their fall instead of an all out frontal assault against Colonial Fleet's 120 Battlestars.

[@tuxedotservo]

It's also in the show that the Raiders resurrect as well - it's how Scar got so adapt at taking out Vipers, because it had seen and been defeated by Colonial tactics a number of times, and it learned from the experiences. I think it was Athena that noted that Scar may have resurrected 7-8 times, and they not only learn, but are more rage and vengeance fueled because - no surprise - getting shot up sucks.

[@sallovic5890]

i absolutely love battlestar galactica! great work maybe you could do a detailed video about colonial military ships like this one

[@keonisan]

I prefer the older model Base stars to the new one. They looked more formidable.

[@kyrusdrax2664]

That is the exact idea. The Basestars of the First Cylon War were meant to stand and fight. The Basestars of the SCW were meant for fast hit attacks and orbital bombardment.

[@williamnixon3994]

To all those wanting to pit Basestars against other factions, they travel painfully slowly and their high-yield (IE anything with a chance to do damage) missiles move at a snail's pace at best

[@KesselRunner606]

Worth a look is Space: Above & Beyond. A must for all military sci-fi fans. Produced by the makers of the X-Files, it's essentially the WW2 War in the Pacific in space. Its main ships are the US endo/exo atmosphere Hammerhead space superiority fighter, multi-purpose interplanetary shuttles, and capital carriers (the series largely based aboard the USS Saratoga). on the alien (or "Chig") side were bio-mechanically piloted fighters of superior design and firepower, a super advanced model (piloted by the enemy's dreaded "Chigi-Von Richthoffen") and their giant towering capital ships.

[@ExiledPiasa]

imagine a crossover where the Borg "assimilate" the Cylons, only to have their programming corrupted and taken over by the Cylons.

[@ExiledPiasa]

Screwed! :)

[@evancollins4458]

damn...gives cyborg new meaning

[@ExiledPiasa]

love your play on words there.... :)

[@rebelbeammasterx8472]

Cyblong?

[@shoulderpyro]

The Borg won't even get close.. The Cylons just require a single Raider to move in and drop a logic bomb on that floating cube of theirs, and goodbye tech. The Cylons have already proven how deadly they are against organics, imagine their power and dominance over other machine lifeforms with their ability to infiltrate and shut down technological systems at will with just a single fighter. (Not to mention the fact that the Borg Cube in this case likely does not have any defenses against a volley of cluster nukes, each of which carries at least 16 warheads..)

[@Mancboy2000]

Are you planing on doing more fleet breakdowns? A 40K one would be great if you are, the Imperial Navy is huge in diversity and size, the breakdown would be interesting imo.

[@FoodStampPhone]

Mancboy2000 i agree

[@ArmouredProductions]

FOR THE EMPEROR!

[@UltimaSigmarAlonso]

also 40k eldar fleet

[@Starbuck8008]

Mancboy2000 "People" who like 40k are extremely childish.

[@UltimaSigmarAlonso]

8888alw how ?

[@-JustHuman-]

I never understood why the Basestars had windows, I mean why would robots build weak points into their ships for no reason, it's not like they enjoy star gazing.

[@shoulderpyro]

Maybe they do v'-'v

[@matthewfergudon8627]

Zap gun for Star gate would serious deady to clyons if used on colonial capital ships as cannon and on as fighters

[@Bit01]

All of them are networked so every viewport is another optical sensor.

[@richardched6085]

Number One Cylon "Cavill" wanted to "See Gamma Rays!"

[@beaney56]

I really do love your channel.

[@sky173]

Damn it... now I have to throw in the Blu-ray and watch it all over again.

[@demariajr2009]

I am a big fan of your videos. Keep up the excellent work!

[@Raguleader]

Was kind of hoping you'd also mention some of the older Cylon designs based on the original series (which feature in the new series mostly in flashbacks or as models)

[@BrianHealy]

Replicators VS The Borg please!

[@BrianHealy]

NightRaven 1901 I would not rule out the Borg so easily 😉

[@BrianHealy]

+NightRaven 1901 The Borg nanoprobes have proven to be one of the most advanced technological achievements in all of sci-fi. In Star Trek Enterprise a handful of simple drones were able to take a simple transport and turn it into a formidable vessel against a star ship. The Borg need only capture a single block in order to find an exploitable weakness or infect a replicator vessel. In mere hours, the Borg were able to transform part of the Enterprise to suit there needs and that was then most advanced ship in Star Fleet.

[@davidkelly4210]

The Replicators. Their immunity to energy weapons would render the Borg warmachine important. Any attempt to assimilate the Replicators is as likely as not to go the other way. While the Borg would likely be able to make use of ARGs, they'd suffer heavy casualties before figuring it out and the Replicators, sharing the Borg's ability to adapt, would eventually become immune. It'd be a serious fight once the Borg got ARGs but that would only be a short lived reprieve and would come too late to avoid the irreparable damage to the Borg Collective that the initial 1 sided battles would cause. Sheer size would be the only thing preventing the Borg from collapsing as soon as the war started and every other civilization save the Q and Dominion would be swept aside in the chaos.

[@BrianHealy]

David Kelly you're not taking into account the Borg ability to adapt. Scanning technology is significantly more advanced in the Star Trek universe than Star Gate. We also don't know if the Replicators immunity to energy weapons in the SGU is affective against Borg weaponry. Assuming it is, The Borg would easily sacrifice several cubes in order to find a solution. Remember the only enemy that was able to easily defeat the Borg used bio organic weaponry, which is the complete opposite of what the Replicators are.

[@davidkelly4210]

NightRaven 1901 Asguardian weapons (save ARGs) didn't do shit to the Replicators. All it did was make 1 Replicator into 10,000 which is how they lost their home world. Projectiles worked better but only against bugs. Ships and human forms could shrug off and repare damage.

[@Pouk3D]

Are they balanced though? Basestar is basically a strikecraft dependend carrier, while Colonial Battlestar is a proper warship. Neither side has more than couple unit classes, both sides are lacking incredibly heavily in some ways. Cylons have no warships that can take and deal some serious damage by themselves. No one has any dedicated bombers, you would think they'd need one. There are no combat support ships or smaller classes. All you see is one capital ship type, one fighter, one small utility craft. And that's literally it. Or think about it this way: try to play an RTS game with 3 unit types...

[@DrewLSsix]

NightRaven 1901. you can always assume that we never saw the full array of ships available due to the Galacticas semi decommissioned status and the fleets near total destruction. You would think Pegasus would have a more complete compliment of small craft but we dont know what state she was in at the start of the attack or what was lost in the escape and following engagements. as for out of continuity reasons its obvious that budget and productuon time is a major concern, the show was an impressive production at the time but its no surprise much of the budget was used up just producing what we saw. then theres the creative aspect, BSG was essentially a drama focused on people. even if more resources were available to flesh out the world some it may well have distracted from the center of the show its self. And lastly theres the challenge of using all these things in a story that makes sense, the show must have been a challenge already....can we really expect the creators to produce a convincing military on top of a compelling story?

[@Pouk3D]

We know (it was said somewhere), that the Vipers are more than half the size exactly from the mentioned film restrictions. The film set would be much bigger, less compact, more expensive and that was the whole and only reason.

[@ryanlow6114]

+NightRaven 1901 Actually, the only disadvantage a smaller superiority fighter would have by being smaller is their lower storage space. Considering Vipers are mostly meant to serve as support craft for Battlestars, they would not need to be outfitted for long-range missions that would require large quantities of ammo and fuel to be stored on the craft. In fact, a smaller frame would actually _benefit_ the viper, making it a far harder target to hit in a vaccum.

[@aegisghost]

Raptors can use nuclear missiles, and both Basestars and Battlestars hold dozens of nuclear missiles that can be volley-fired en masse. Dedicated bombers are slower, while the Raptors can use their electronic warfare and rockets to engage capital ships. As for support ships both fleets actually have a massive plethora to select from, from specialized stealth battlestar, heavy cruisers and frigates to Cylon ewar corvettes, missile carriers and gunships.

[@uppishcub1617]

the colonials had a whole fleet with corvettes, cruisers, and carriers, but those all got blown up by the cylons.

[@alduintheanti-dragonborn]

So no frigates? Also during the battle of the resurrection hub, how did the Rebel Basestar use flak guns? I don't think Galactica had enough time to build or lend their flak onto the Basestar before its hybrid jumped the damaged ship.

[@JcoreUKhardcore]

Amazing video!

[@AlecMcHenry]

Battlestar Pegasus Gunstar Ragnar Ancrange Other colonial ships (Battlestar Prometheus, Ethernal, Celestial, Ares) Please?

[@civlemace3458]

not so much a BSG fan, just love your channel. keep up the great work :)

[@boreasreal5911]

im here and im not a bsg fan, but every sci-fi is good sci-fi

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

Colonial Jump Drives are equally capable to Cylon Jump drives, but Cylons have far superior navigational computing capabilities, which is why their range exceeds that of the Colonial ships. When the Rescue Team returned to Caprica, they did so in standard Colonial Raptors, but used the Navigational system of their captured raider, which they hooked into the lead Raptor’s navigation system.

[@brettglover135]

so, I've been talking to couple of people about this and was wondering if I can ask you about it too, my playstyle is using tactics from different media, so do you think it would be possible in any way to use the Marg Sabl closure maneuver from Star Wars in Battlestar Galactica deadlock?

[@JustTooDamnHonest]

The Cylon is one of many terrors that has descended upon humanity in the sci-fi realm and it had every right to be feared.

[@durreallduncan5818]

please start a exploration of Macross aka Robotech ships and fighters. I would love to see a battle between a Macross colony fleet and Star Trek or the original SDF 1 Vs a super Star Destroyer! A Zentradi assault carrier Vs a Covenant....OMG my nerdness is getting the best of me. Love the channel!

[@botondkalocsai5322]

I think it is not thrue that modern cylon raider is more immune to high accelerations then colonial pilots. The old, warraider was more immune, because it had only inorganic components, thus the only thing that limits it's acceleration, is the operation of the controll panels of the warraider, by the centurions (if acceleration is enough, the fictitious force will pull away the centurion's hand from the controll panels) However, if you saw the 5 and 6 episode from the series, you know the fact that the cylon raider's interior is largely organic with organs and vascular system, that sustain a brain. It is also certain that the artificially developed cylon tissues's genome is very similar to human genom (because it built from experimentation with humans as you can see in BSG: Razor), due to the fact that humanoid cylons can crossbreed with colonial humans, and also all cylon assets that has organic component shares the same genom (season 3 episode 7, the effect of the LCMV on every cylon assets). Thus, the cylon raider's organic part must have similar base structure as humans, with little difference. So technically cylon raiders have the same flaws against high accelerations as their colonial counterpart. High acceleration must cause the same problem in the raiders vascular system as in humans, like blackouts, redouts, because the fictitious force going to drain or flow blood into its brain, thus over or under-pressurizing it. Enough acceleration cause rupture it's vascular system, thus cause a stroke, and so on, cause the same damage as on human pilots. This is why the raider cannot be significantly more resilient to acceleration than a human pilot. I think, from cylons, it was a serious mistake that they chosed to be organic lifeforms. They shoud have been staying inorganic, and develop their hardware. An inorganic fighter drone with inorganic computer, would bear easily hundred times higher acceleration then a raider, or a human pilot can bear. Moreover an inorganic computer doesn't need life support system, thus freeing valuable space for other subsystems. Moreover, it inorganic systems, like ftl, RCS, are more easier to integrate into an inorganic computer (don't need to convert data), thus can have far more reaction time. Moreover the specific computation capabilities of inorganic computer can be far higher then an organic brain.(if you dont believe, for example try to compete with a computer, in solving numerically a differential equation, or compete with a computer "who" can perform more quickly a numerical integral algoritmh)

[@949surferdude]

In your opinion which "bad guys" fleet would win in a bad guys vs bad guys total spar war?

[@failedexperiment9073]

Definitely the Great Gamilas empire. Just imagine tens thousands of highly manouvrable ships armed with antimatter cannons powerful enough to destroy entire ship with one shot, fusion missiles melting small groups of ships, escorting Zoelguut-class super dreadnoughts almost invulnorable against this firepower and if you add Desura II battleship armed with a wave-motion gun (weapon capable of obliterating Australia-sized continnent, or a gas giant), you've got ultimate power only matched by really HYPER advanced ships.

[@andrewlynch4126]

Filip 3 but but.. the Death Star

[@failedexperiment9073]

Andrew Lynch Death star will destroy just one ship per shot and that ship must be in front of it, Gamilas ships are too fast to be tracked by 100+ km big station. And once Desura fires the wave-motion gun (or Dessler gun, how Gamilas call it), there will be no Death star anymore and ships around it will melt too, so many people and resources, so little time😥

[@mrfister1234]

Filip 3 lol you realize that the death star arent just armed with the main gun. the battle station has over tens of thousands of turbolaser emplacements. Each of these are capable of shooting down x wings which travel at mach 6. MACH 6. Take that in. Plus the thousands of ties it houses. plus the gamillas would know shit about its weakness without the plans. lol

[@ShiftyMcGoggles]

+Paul C Add to that the fact that the Deathstar wouldn't be alone. Either one or even both super star destroyers, backed by a fleet of imperial and victory class star destroyers, all of which have screens of tie fighters to run interference on enemy star fighters, as turbo laser batteries pummel enemy capital ships and any stray fighter that flies in to close. And then add in the dick-move star destroyer known as the Interdictor class. Grav-well generators that can throw fighters, torpedoes and missiles around like leaves in a tornado.

[@bcmm1880]

BSG has some of the best designed ships, take a look at Jupiters, great in both offense and defense capability, with well designed vipers that can be sent quickly through tubes that you cant destroy (or easily) and almost no blind spots and no bridge thats just lying outside like so many other ships from other series like Star Wars.

[@SwiftGundam]

You know, I've been begging to know what's the max jump range of each type of Hyperlight FTL drive they have? They make it sound like if you got a good enough navigation computer, you can jump from one side of the Galaxy to the other but that can't as there has to be a limitation in the drive itself. I keep thinking that the Raptor can jump like 3 light years or so and the Battlestars can go 30 or something. Never thought the Raiders can jump even farther. I knew they were more advance but damn.

[@benbailey08911]

The episode where Starbuck took the stolen Cylon Raider and jump all the way back to Caprica show some what the better jump capabilities.

[@SultanOfAwesomeness]

I think that in theory, FTL actually HAS unlimited range. It's just that it's range is limited to how far your optical and navigational instruments can see. You've gotta be able to see the target you're going to jump to, and then run the navigational calculations. For example, imagine trying to jump to a planet. You can see it through your ship's instruments, but you've also gotta take into account the planet's travel speed, orbital velocity, and tons of other shit. Without calculating this stuff, you could exit FTL anywhere. Perhaps even so far away that you won't be able to recognize any stars. Or even worse, you could exit inside your destination, or in a sun or something. Sorry for the extensive response. It's 5 am here and I can't exactly get all my thoughts out in the most coherent way possible.

[@docbrown7916]

Any chance of you doing a vid on the classic Mk 1 Cylon Basestar ?

[@thosewhocando]

Interesting but other auxiliary craft must exist. Example, in the original series the two Cylon tankers were depicted in the first 20min. The online game uses the same design on some of its missions. Likewise a full series of bulk freighters and mining / resource gathering vessels would be likely.

[@arrjay2410]

The fact that the Resurrection ships are unarmoured and lack their own defenses is puzzling. There must be a story there.

[@aevangel1]

The resurrection ships have armor..... plot armor. Unfortunately it is vulnerable to a script writer.

[@emilsinclair4190]

The dtorry is that they exceptedeveryone to die in the first strike.

[@michaelgimenez4032]

Basestar got over 250 missile tubes and yet in the show they rarely shoot them more than 2 or 3 at a time... No wonder they never shot down the Galactica from day 1, they never got the memo that told them how many weapons they had on hand...

[@CallanElliott]

Can't rightly say why, but it might be because they need to be manually guided by the Basestar.

[@johnlavery3433]

Non BSG fan here. From what I can tell, destroying those resurrection ships is the only way to stop colons from coming?

[@kcdodger]

Basically. I can't say for sure if all the Basestars were ever destroyed- though the Galactica and Pegasus REALLY gave the entire Cylon fleet a beatdown over time. Guess that's what happens when you back somebody into a corner.

[@TheJarric]

yes they only be left with less inteligent ones running thins

[@shoulderpyro]

Yeah, but the problem is getting near those resurrection ships. And even then, taking one out is only a momentary setback. The real thing you have to destroy is the Resurrection Hub, which has even heavier defenses than a resurrection fleet. Honestly in this case I think the phrase "If you can't beat em, join em" is rather appropriate.

[@trentonr7072]

The Colonials never stood a chance. Well if their systems were not hacked and they knew exactly when the attack was coming only then would they have a chance.

[@ravenknight4876]

Trenton R The modern battlestars, Gunstars and supportstars of the colonial fleet were vastly superior to any Cylon ship at the time of the attack. The galactica, a ship outdated by four decades, could fight against 2 basestars at once and win. and if even the old columbia class was able to do this, what do you think would modern Battlestars like the Jupiter class have been able to do ?

[@doublep1980]

If you think about how the Pegasus literally obliderated a couple of basestars with his canons,in that one episode and the old bucket Galactica,could even successfully fight against 2 basestars,imaging how powerful the Colonial Battlestar fleet must have been.In a ''fair fight'',the Battlestars would curvestomp the Cylon fleet,with their massive firepower.That's why the Cylons resolved to the virus and surprise attack.

[@apotheases]

What happen to the Cylon forces that were left around the 12 colonies? Did they continue on their mission?

[@logancrump1436]

You are a raider, legendary!

[@ryannorthern9761]

That's their weakness, use superior fire power to destroy their ships and extensive detection capabilities to detect and capture resurrection ships before they can replace it.

[@michaellewis1545]

Please do the Hammerhead from Space Above and Beyond thanks.

[@Freesorin837]

Really do wish the BSG team had expanded on the lore and universe like how it is with Star Wars and Star Trek. Though I gotta admit, a lot of great custom ships come from the fan base.

[@TheBronxShogun]

I'd really a video about the Principality of Zeon fleets.

[@jaredrojo2201]

Not a bsg fan, just a space dock fan

[@staceyross419]

In this. Let's create a fleet new ship for ourselves any ships in sci-fi will do for your Fleet or flag ship

[@longfellow5877]

thank you , exelent.

[@Urammar]

Nice Battlezone intro

[@ColonelFrontline1152]

Thanks for the information Spacedock. This could be useful for me should my armada should ever encounter the cylons. And by destroying their Resurrection Ships my fleet will make the Cylons so weak that they'll never attack the colonial fleet ever again.

[@waynemacleod1150]

i'm pretty sure the base stars have cannon turrets too they are used in close

[@Spacedock]

In canon, Modern Cylon Basestars have 220 Missile tubes and nothing else. No point defence or cannons.

[@Spacedock]

Interceptor missiles on Basestars seems completely plausible, though no canon evidence of it. Orion and Valkyrie Class Battlestars both employ anti-cap missiles though, so they would certainly come in handy.

[@BullmastiffForce]

Why would there be viewports on a cylon battlestar ? And why would there be lights on ?

[@zalla00]

I'd do a space battle vid of the Geth vs Cylons

[@Adactus]

please do the Excalibur/Victory ship from Babylon 5.

[@ultronstewart2361]

Cylon vs Borg Who would win

[@paulevans2153]

What about the colony ship?

[@thetsar2851]

You should do a CSO against a star destroyer

[@TARDISGX]

Your intro and conclusion that the cylon fleet is balanced is just wrong. The new base stars are missile platforms designed to perform the extermination of the colony worlds from orbit with raiders also firing nukes to destroy battlestars. Basestars relied on the navigation program backdoor to disarm enemy ships. They were unable to disarm the Galactica or Pegasus and employed overwhelm tactics to make up for the Basestars lack of counter to colonial flak. With the battlestars jumping away the Cylons had to keep up with their ftl capable fleet of missile platforms and had no time to build new ships that were better suited to pvp battle.

[@MinhDucPham-y6c]

Can you make a Colonial Fleet Breakdown.

[@Neerp315]

YAAA BSG

[@thecocomonk2657]

Wondered what that BSG wiki stuff was about.

[@galbert117]

Odyssey w/ ZPM vs a full Cylon fleet protecting a Resurrection Hub...

[@Spacedock]

A ship with nearly indestructible shields and ludicrously powerful beam lasers, against a group of unshielded missile platforms. I love BSG, even more than I love Stargate, but this would be a damn short fight xD

[@LtCWest]

Its not even a fight anymore, its a massacre

[@galbert117]

Could the Raiders jump inside the Odyssey's shield, since it often shows the Asgard shields as a bubble? If so, the Raiders could jump en-masse inside the Odyssey's shields then launch all their nukes. Might be able to do something then...

[@darwinxavier3516]

Depends on how precise their jump engines are. The space between the shield bubble and the hull would be relatively small. And the Odyssey would likely be moving at max sub light speed making it much more difficult. It would also bring up the question of why this jump in and swarm with nukes tactic wasn't totally common in BSG.

[@williamnixon3994]

You know, I think it's because jump drives don't play nice in close proximity with each other. Think of it like a jamming field the ship naturally generates because of FTL operation. Or it could be for drama, take your pick!

[@ineednochannelyoutube5384]

Balanced and versatile my arse. Slow ass missilbuses and light fighters with peashooters are most definitley not a balanced fleet.

[@Lukos0036]

I wonder how they would fare against a Republic Venator class battle group.

[@danielm.4696]

I think that Cylon fighters would overwhelm Republic's fighter and bomber squadrons, but Venators have shields that could make rockets against them not very effective and really mean canons that could do some nasty things to Basestars so it depends on the situation.

[@Lukos0036]

Republic fighters had shields as well. It wasn't until the Empire that they ditched all the extras for disposable screaming coffins. That being said Star Wars shields aren't terribly effective and if a fighter can fly inside their perimeter I think a projectile wouldn't have much trouble doing the same.

[@BraindeadCRY]

Star Wars tech is advanced far beyond BSG tech. I honestly doubt that the Cylons would stand a chance. Im no expert on Star Wars lore but I have noticed that almost no one uses ballistic weapons anymore. If they where still effective they would get used, so it stands to reason that shields, armor or some other tech has advanced too far for most ballistic weapons to be effective. BSG weapons on the other hand aren't terribly far advanced beyond what we have in the 21st century, and their ships defenses rely almost completely on old fashioned armor plating, which was designed to stop explosions or projectiles not energy or plasma weapons. And Star Wars ships have armor plating too. Metalurgy is clearly advanced far past what BSG has so even their default armor plating is likely to be far more resistant than that of a BSG universe capital ship if the shields should ever fail. But I think the most important factor is sensor capabilities. A star wars fleet has the advantage that they will be able to see the Cylon fleet first and have superior jump tech allowing them to choose when and where they wish to engage. An advantage that the Cylons usually hold. This makes their resurrection ships vulnerable.

[@Lukos0036]

There were projectile weapons in Star Wars, but they were mostly small arms. The closest thing to them on ships or fighters were proton torpedoes. The shields on Star Wars ships would stop energy weapons but any vessel could, I if I recall correctly, fly through them easily enough. Which is why they employed fighters against capital ships so often. Though I concede Star Wars has a huge tech advantage over BSG, the Grand Republic Army fought in much the same fashion. Which capital ships playing a supporting role to squadrons of fighters and bombers. Which is what prompted my comparison between the two.

[@danielm.4696]

I just remembered that Cylons have hacking technology, would it be any good in this battle?

[@stuew6]

You should Battlestar Fleet

[@jacob221100]

I wonder have you thought of making some ships from sins of solar empire ?

[@jaydonweaver7882]

what about Borg Armada vs the Necron Tomb fleet?

[@roguerifter9724]

Two things I never liked about the Reboot main series era Cylon fleet. 1: The lack of any warships between the Heavy Raiders, which always seemed like better armed craft for the Raptor role to me, and the Basestars We know the had smaller warships during the first war, and the Coloinal navy had smaller warships all along. (Though we don't see any during the TV series Adama mentions commanding some in a flashback). I've never been fond of fleets that have just strike craft and large capital ships for warships and I never will be. 2: Why did they not include short range weapons and especially point defense grids on the Basestars? The Basestars are effective at long range combat but are utterly screwed if a Battlestar gets in close without being crippled by the virus, and I see no logical reason not to have some anti-missile defenses. Many human combat craft might favor guns over missiles but they still included anti-ship missiles in their armaments so it doesn't make sense to not include point defense weapons. AFAIK we don't know how long building a Basestar takes, or how heavy of a resource investment they are though given that the Cylons never dropped a dozen Basestars onto the Galactica's fleet to finish it off I'm guessing they are rare so not taking precautions to help prevent losing them to missile barrages is unreasonable.

[@emilsinclair4190]

Because they did not expect anyone to survive the attack. And to create this big alpha strike they needed all thw rockets they could fit. And to kill the small groups of survivers fighters are perfect. If nearly everything gets nuked the thing to survive is not big enough to make a ship bigger than the heavy fighter necessary

[@roguerifter9724]

Its still illogical IMO. Gambling on no one surviving from an enemy fleet of over a hundred capital ships and we have no idea how many smaller warships to the point where your entire fleet is built based on that assumption makes no sense to me. Especially since what we see indicates there weren't that many Basestars compared to Battlestars before the attack. You never see more then a few basestars at a time while the Colonial fleet and around 120 Battlestars based on the miniseries

[@emilsinclair4190]

@Rogue Rifter at the start of the civil war we see a lot off them. And if we sum up all the ships we see flying around alone it looks like the number of bases tars is also high. However you might be right that the number of basestars is comparatively low. But this would actually explain why the basestars were build how they were build. If we assume that the number off them is low this means that the only chance was the virus. The virus gave them some time. During this time they had to destroy as much as possible or they would have risked the enemies coming online again. The basestar is build exactly for that. Do as much damage as you can in the small ammount of time during which the battlestars are defenseless. Every ship that is smaller/has weapons that are nor optimised for this alpha strike is missing damage during this alpha strike. Missing damage means that a battlestar might survive. Their backup plan were the sleeper agents. And with the information gained by the sleeper agents they had a relatively accurate picture about where how many human ships were. I mean only 2 battlestars survived. One bc it's computer systems were powered down and because the nuclear explosion binded their systems. So basically luck with luck. And the other ship was a museum ship with multiple sleeper agents on board. Only bc of plot armor did this ship survive. I mean if boomer would not have fought her programming the fleet would have most likely died. Remember when she fought her programing to find water when they lost nearly all off it? So it was not realy a gamble. They calculated their chances. And they were relatively certain to while out all bases tars with their alpha strike/sleeper agents. The halactica only survived bc of plot armor. So in a realistic scenario only 1 battlestar would have survived. And only bc if extremly lucky circumstances. And they also had sleeper agents on board.

[@k3m0sabe]

Yet another great video. Do you have any other recommendations of sci-fi channels? both podcasts and video series. Keep up the good work :)

[@Spacedock]

Everyone on my channel's "Friends of Spacedock" list is awesome and you should check them out. I'd also highly recommend SF Debris if you want another show that covers loads of varying Sci-Fi, he operates out of his own site tho. (Linked below) sfdebris.com/ Thanks for watching. :)

[@noahturner6807]

spacedock you should do system alliance marines vs unsc marines for planetside and the seeker of truth commanded by thel vadam and the hyperion from starcrat by him raynor

[@jetfire1153red]

I notice you didn't used the nicknames for the cylon ships

[@lockjaw5161]

was the hive a ship?

[@ffofy7891]

Can you do a series of videos on Battlemechs from the Battletech/MechWarrior franchise?

[@TheBeingX]

Can you so something about Since of solar empire

[@kennethmelnychuk9737]

I like the original BSG Basestar, it was a more meaner vessel.

[@ethanspaziani5269]

You should do an episode of why they could never beat the survivors they are an impressive Force but lack adaptation

[@tyler1511]

Spacedock Can You do the Tie Avenger from star wars?

[@AllknowingUnknown]

How would the Cylon do in an all out war against the U.N.S.C? Assuming "Contact Harvest" began when the Cylon made first contact instead of the Covenant? My Theory is the U.N.S.C Would own but they would take heavy losses. Any thoughts anyone???

[@SultanOfAwesomeness]

Ooh, now that's a cool idea for a matchup. As much as I hate to admit it though, I think Cylons would come out on top. All they'd have to do is sit back and hurl wave after wave of fighters and strike craft at any UNSC ship unfortunate enough to be close enough to hit. I mean, aside from carriers, most UNSC ships don't exactly have a lot in the way of fighter craft themselves. Even less if they're just frigates.

[@yeefoongphoon8505]

Sultan What about the MAC guns?

[@yeefoongphoon8505]

Wouldn't them just wreck any Cylon Capital ship?

[@SultanOfAwesomeness]

+Rebel Spy What about them? Space is big, and even the fastest objects take time to travel through it. All a basestar would have to do is to sit far out enough for the MAC round to take a decent amount of time getting there, and either dodge accordingly, or hell, even jump. They can just rely on their fighter wing to wreak havoc. Not to mention that MAC guns take a while to reload and all that jazz.

[@AllknowingUnknown]

Thank you for the response, I would love to have a friendly debate on this but I gotta head to work...Adulting.... BUT I will get a response to you ASAP !!!

[@Johnbartheart]

So the smaller Raiders did not have a cylon "pilot"? Thanks!

[@readhistory2023]

They don't have a cylon mech at the helm, more like a jar with a brain in it with wires attached.

[@AlexGellel]

John Jordan there's that episode where Thrace took control of a crashed one to get back to the Galactica, you could see how it was more just a brain inside the hull.

[@Tonydjjokerit]

Hi Spacedock .Can you do a video comparison of the ships of EVE online compared to Star Wars and Star Trek? It would be very interesting

[@MajorCopyright]

could you guys do the the massive mobile starbase High Charity from the Halo universe?

[@rkirkpatrick01]

Did the fighters get to resurrect too?

[@TheFluffyDuck]

How did the cyclones build such large base stars in the 1st Cylon war. All they were were a robot rebellion. That sort of thing requires infrastructure

[@TitanWuzTaken]

The Yuuzhan Vong Vs The Cylons

[@randyalerci7370]

Have we ever seen the Cylon Homeworld and its name

[@jameslarkin2678]

Could you do battle stargalltica Laura class viper I think its the name of the ship

[@kkhagerty6315]

And now I’m scared of my toaster

[@thepiranhawins3828]

I have an idea for versus: warlock class destroyer from Babylon 5 verse Everest class dreadnaught from mass effect

[@darwinxavier3516]

Extremely little is known about the warlock. They've only been seen fighting twice. Once in the defense against the Drahk fleet. And then in the opening cinematic of some game.

[@thepiranhawins3828]

There are specifications online

[@darwinxavier3516]

I hope they're more reliable than the Starfleet Technical Manual that was made non canon a long time ago.

[@thepiranhawins3828]

Darwin Xavier look it up

[@S.W.01]

I wonder how easy different factions from the Star Wars and Star trek universe could crush the Cylons.

[@aaronm9478]

Frackin' toasters!

[@MissouriWatchman]

I thought you would of included the Cylon Colony ship.

[@Spacedock]

All the ships in this vid and the Colony are on the cards for future full videos, but the Colony is never really deployed offensively and adding it to the video is a pretty huge spoiler anyway so I just omitted it for now.

[@dantles]

Event Horizon pls do that ship

[@theuncalledfor]

Event Horizon was like an early Warhammer 40K movie or something. Like the first ship to go to the Warp or something.

[@jimmyseaver3647]

That's kind of the standard opinion.

[@danielhall6354]

where is the best place to watch BSG?

[@benbailey08911]

Hulu is the only place I've seen since Netflix took it off.

[@BraindeadCRY]

As far as I know Amazon Video has them and they are included in the Amazon Prime titles. So for the price of Amazon Prime (10$ per month) you'd get all seasons of BSG and a buch of others stuff.

[@benbailey08911]

No they took it off at least in the US. You can buy the seasons on their though.

[@FurryAzzre]

Please do Oryx's Dreadnought from Destiny The Taken King

[@14thbattlegroupcommander]

WHOA THAT THE THE MOST BALANCED FLEET EXCEPT THAT IS TERRIBLE ITS MADE OF: A BATLLE STATION WITH MISSILE S ONLY 1 FIGHTER 1 DROPSHIP SOME SUPPORTY BOIS

[@alexrui9863]

MCRN vs cylons...?

[@raulgarcia2796]

es Radio .en EE.UU solo hay dos Partidos la Izquierda y la Derecha . Aquí .............

[@raulgarcia2796]

Ufff........y por si fuera vienen los demás a darnos clase

[@raulgarcia2796]

Manos a la Obra Federico.Gracias,con ñ siempre

[@raulgarcia2796]

Y el Pulpo Gallego y si te lo Comes En Orense Mejor

[@raulgarcia2796]

Brus Willis del Año que viene.3-11-2020. ya Hablamos si estamos Vivos en el Mismo sitio que te Vi chatin

[@raulgarcia2796]

Dónde hiciste la Película.Madrid la Capital de España

[@jamieolberding7731]

Why are you talking about the 2004 reimaged Battlestar Galactica ships and not the original series 1978 Battlestar Galactica ships? I really liked the original Battlestar Galactica TV Series much better than the 2004 reboot.