Baudrillard's Theory of Disneyland & Hyperreality

[@jamesa.melton9781]

“Masculinity is not in Andrew Tate so it must exist elsewhere.”

[@邓梓薇]

i found it in Bottom G

[@MalkuthEmperor]

he i§ a fake ( žižek voice)

[@MrGetzenwithit]

@@MalkuthEmperor *wipes nose 17 times

[@brianvanlijf6007]

​@@MrGetzenwithit🥱🥱

[@1Dimee]

Best editing in the game

[@JohnathandosSantos]

That's true!

[@DelandaBaudLacanian]

Game A or Game B tho??

[@lameshithead]

no the frkn everlasting glitch filter is super ugly and it hurts my frkn brain. also this is absolut horror for epileptics cause the noisy animations with awful framerate and fked up contrast just hurts the brain. non of those colors match each other. also hee keeps it in the background for ages. this is reaaally bad cgi and this happens if someone has no clue about shaders and colors. also its super distracting

[@slobrodepot2163]

High praise from Dime!

[@DommageCollateral]

This really look like my first CGI attempts, or the shit you buy on fiver

[@novonihil]

"because True Art is not being produced or shown in The Institutions, it must actually exist in The Underground"

[@RainCityDrip]

Who said that?

[@Roland00]

@@RainCityDrip it is literary merism , a rhetorical device found in many religious / philosophical texts. Where one uses two things to signify not two things but something beyond two things. Like “beyond good and evil”, or we humans are children of heaven and the earth. Note this is not just in the greek tradition with Gaia and Uranus … but also many others, I am thinking off hand with Tao Te Ching (aka one of the religious texts with Taoism)

[@RainCityDrip]

@@Roland00 it’s a great line I love it and thanks for the bit of historical info 🤙

[@miameramusic]

This is so spot on it’s scary. Like Diddy scapegoating so we can pretend that’s not the entire industry.

[@thenursesandhypochondriacs20]

True art as destroyed by Andy Warhol

[@TM-me3ct]

Nagarjuna: "It is deluded to conceive of this mirage-like world as either existent or non-existent. In delusion there is no liberation"

[@zamplify]

There could be.

[@FogelsChannel]

If we take in our hand any volume; of divinity or school metaphysics, for instance; let us ask, Does it contain any abstract reasoning concerning quantity or number? No. Does it contain any experimental reasoning concerning matter of fact and existence? No. Commit it then to the flames: for it can contain nothing but sophistry and illusion." - David Hume puts the Na in Nagarjuna

[@upmal6724]

​@@FogelsChannelSo Candrakirti emphasized the concept of śūnyatā in relation to existence. He argued that all phenomena are dependent on causes and conditions, meaning they lack inherent existence, leading to a deeper realization of the nature of reality. Candrakirti critiqued views that posit inherent existence, highlighting the importance of understanding the interdependent nature of reality, i.e. it's "emptiness" for achieving liberation.

[@maksym8001]

The truth is not in Western philosophy, it must be in Buddhism

[@JosephKelly-uj1zo]

True. Letters to a friend.

[@hermetology]

hyperreality has to be one of the most widely misunderstood ideas tbh. usually what gets called hyperreality is just things people think are like REALLY FAKE or synthetic and plastic, but it's more the things which directly stand in opposition to 'the fake', like reality tv, news networks, opinion polls, nature documentaries, vlogging, autofiction - the demand to 'be real', unfiltered, unmediated... to represent the truth of reality from a position of nowhere. this is why baudrillard always likes to contrast the hyperreal with what he calls illusion, ritual, performance etc ie things which do not conceal their unreality and in fact accentuate it, but nevertheless seem to have the most 'real effects'. hyperreality is totally complicit with this idea that reality needs defending, and it's this unbridled pursuit of the real that ends up doubling/cloning it (which u can read psychoanalytically: through the neurotic obsession of accessing the real/reality, the hyperreal emerges as it's simulation to satiate this obsession)

[@inb4play167]

Me and all my postmodern friends used to love hanging out and smoking in parking lots. Our teachers told us we were “loitering” but we knew that nothing they did was real anyway. Little did we know we were smoking to preserve their reality. We wanted to be useful to them even though we knew what they were doing was absolutely useless.

[@AlteredState1123]

😂

[@dotnothing5620]

I went to Disneyland once and I was actually shocked by how normal everyone's energy was, like gift shopping at the mall at Christmas. No one seemed to be at the happiest place on Earth but the actors, whose acting is emphasized in their title as "cast member." My theory is not that Disneyland is actually any good and no one really enjoys it; but people -- homo sapien -- wants their share of anything exclusive. They work hard, they're miserable, bored, and there's this idea that an elite vacation place exists that is somewhat exclusive, many never get to go, and so people want their share, they are edified to get their share, even if once there and partaking of it, it's actually extremely mid. Seriously, I didn't see anyone smile or laugh for long stretches of time. People very much seemed as disconnected and zombiefied as if they were watching television or tiktok.

[@GolfBaller]

I used to work at a hotel near the Anaheim Disney Resort Area. Families always came in exhausted and angry and at their wits end.

[@LukeGreenshell]

The Neuschwanstein Castle is already fake and mostly an empty shell! Inspired by medieval castles it was built in the late nineteenth century on the neo-romantic initiative of Bavaria's crazy King Ludwig II. He loved wasting all the state's budget on building useless castles. In order to restore past glory that never had been in the first place. Guess he wanted to make Bavaria (a german dwarf state) great again.There is also an almost perfect 1:1 replica of the gigantic Versailles castle somewhere in Bavaria. When they finally managed to take away Ludwig's access to the state's money he became very depressed and drowned himself in one of his lakes. Just walked straight into the water dressed up in his full royal ceremonial gear.

[@simonl.6338]

Yep, was sure he would mention this. Neuschwanstein is already Disneyland. Would have been interesting to mention when you talk about the "when" of reality.

[@satania6120]

Because romantic architecture is fake, modern architecture must be real

[@drayzorn]

This is great, he really missed out here! Reality is like Inception, we are not sure how many fakes down we are now from the real. What would be our spinning top?

[@crumbling1192]

Turtles all the way down

[@theonetruetim]

"no one cares about the metaphysical value of real or fake castles" plus....walkin straight into the water dressed in full formal royal attire; based af. Ludwig II - W.

[@mushin0247]

"Because there is no truth in philosophy, it must be in religion" . This is your masterpiece ! Bravo

[@bassfishbone]

I have a feeling the real Disneyland is “because there is no truth in religion, it must be in philosophy”

[@Dank_Engine]

I've been to Disney World twice. The first time was our Honeymoon, and it was a beautiful experience. But the second visit, I didn't have the magic of new love to color the experience, and it was bleak. It was hot, crowded, miserable, and it's a deliberately crafted bubble universe designed to separate you from your money. Haven't been back.

[@Botoxcorvette]

My exs dad took us as adults, I had already studied Baudrillard, so I was so stoked on so many layers. I felt like an animal that was able to see myself in the mirror while others couldn’t. But really enjoyed it because I felt like a non believer but totally observed all these points you made. The crowd really was unlike a normal real crowd, in reality. Anyways great video ❤

[@DrAtlas-wj5cw]

"Everyday life in the global north is so boring and alienating, but true human sociality still exists in global south tourist destinations, where restaurants offer you free desert after you pay the bill. They are not workaholics like us over there. They take it slow and enjoy the good things in life."

[@artnarchist1392]

😆

[@99jdave99]

Similarly (in the vein of “exotic otherland”), “China is a dystopian surveillance nightmare, but our society isn’t” (many other such china-vs-“west” comparisons are made), “Japan/korea overworks its citizens while we [mostly U.S. in this instance] have a better understanding of work life balance” As I think on these more though it makes me wonder if I’m not misinterpreting things a bit, because my two examples aren’t really intentionally constructed as such (to a lesser extent than the tourism industry at least). Then again, such views of those places *are* constructed to a certain extent, so the point stands in *some* regard, even if only within this narrow-ish “this is what society and/or media [often the latter] attribute to those places [in reference to the specific examples given above]”

[@thedude7577]

someone needs to travel more.

[@theonetruetim]

lol

[@slaphappybullet]

Have you ever been to Florida? People are rude af there with huge egos.

[@blackplague-x3y]

One of the best channels on the YT about theory. Helps me feel more sane.

[@kitsuwaifune]

Thank you so much for this video. I'm exactly who you were targeting with this video. Kept messing stuff like this up and this clarified it for me. You are insanely good at explaining stuff. Would love to see a KZbin series on accelerationism. Going over Nick Land, Mark Fisher, Jean Baudrillard, and D&G. Explaining all their approaches to it. You've done a little bit of this with the video on Deleuze and deterritorialization. Maybe a Plastic Pills & Epoch Philosophy collab? Been trying to wrap my head around all of it myself, and honestly not someone who has any editing skills currently. Would honestly be amazing to see though.

[@magvad6472]

Another dope video. Real clear execution and explanation. Wish you went a bit longer into more examples, but otherwise definitely another great addition. Idk if you've got it in you but I'd love to see some content that shows avenues in which we can act against this phenomenon or if that's even possible. Is it just making people aware of it all we can do or are there active ways we can fight against the phenomenon within media. Like is the matrix movie helping or just reinforcing the simulated real by making us feel as tho, like sport, we are accomplishing some goal and satiating the drive instead of it going into real useful steps towards a future outside of this paradigm. If there is ever going to be a real future again.

[@marcoonroad7]

I think that, in a hauntologic way, not only we are losing the promised futures that never arrived, we are also losing the sense of past/origin due the overproduction, the amount of commodities and the subscription-based propertyless new economy makes things harder to track the starting point, so the doubt arises for if did ever exist a true democracy, a true freedom, and so on.

[@belaolson8172]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT THAT HAS BEEN MY HYPERFIXATION FOR TWO YEARS NOW AND PLASTIC PILLS DROPS STRAIGHT FIRE?????

[@zchularoceribfjan]

😁😁🦾

[@TheCthogua]

This all seems like a strong argument for the Buddhist concept that there simply isn't anything with any "ultimate" reality. That all causes are just effects of prior "causes" and so on. There isn't actually any "original." All appearances are empty of ultimate/intrinsic reality, despite clearly being "real" in the conventional sense. To assert that there's an original would be to assert that there is something that had no cause.

[@confaffalator]

There is no ultimate reality because what we use to measure reality only exists in that instant and any comparison to anything that has existed or will exist will never be truly accurate. In other words, TIME does not exist. It is only a figment of our experience as beings that we can recall changes in states that have existed but no longer do. That's the human experience, not an actual part of our universe. Proof? Pretty much the entirety of particle physics and quantum mechanics.

[@badabing3391]

i disagree with that specific piece of evidence, since particle physics takes constructs like time (really, things defined by time) as axiomatic. But you can still fully justify your claim by everything being phenomenal, as has been known for a while​@@confaffalator

[@zapatt]

​@@confaffalator Space and Time: The Hippocampus as a Sequence Generator - György Buzsáki & David Tingley --> yet scientists continue to make the same mistake, thinking time/space objectively exist. Using objective measures to understand the brain has been a honeypot for decades

[@MetalWoodpecker]

You created a great conversation with your comment.. I don’t think I even understood some of the responses.. 👏👏👏👏👏💕

[@McDonaldsCalifornia]

Like God in most deistic religions

[@dying.galaxizzzzzz]

"Disneyland is presented as imaginary in order to make us believe that the rest is real" - french Walt Disney aka Baudrillard

[@Summer-kb2dm]

Blake: "the tiger of experience has slaughtered the Lamb of Innocence."

[@theonetruetim]

[@abrahamfranco536]

❤ Also, Was it Blake who said the future is infantile and feminine?

[@mimszanadunstedt441]

Purity culture exists to produce lambs to be given up to vultures

[@ArmwrestlingJoe]

California is also home to influencers and influencer “houses” whose entire existence is to create a hyper real spectacle online

[@ManMan762x39]

i dont think they have had an influencer has since pre covid, im pretty sure this trend is dead

[@rodclaude-s9f]

​@@ManMan762x39 i think the shift went from California or la to Miami or South Florida

[@kacperbilozor]

Hyper real or imaginary? 🤔

[@RGtvAvalon]

just love that something with 'Baudrillard' in the title has 10k views in 1 day - keep up the gr8 work 🏰

[@theo_omni]

I don’t know if this exactly fits the idea at the end of the video, but one thing I thought of is how people perceive a distinction between a celebrity as a “brand” and a real person. I think this applies to all celebrities but one example where this is evident is Taylor Swift. Fans acknowledge the idea of such a distinction which actually serves to create a deeper feeling of connection to the “real” Taylor Swift. That feeling of “real” connection then allows the Taylor Swift brand to do things like sell precise re-recordings of music. “Because music is not in brands/record labels/corporations, it must be in the individuals signed to record labels.”

[@Falstaff0809]

You have allowed me to understand Baudrillard.

[@rigelb9025]

Which only stands in contrast with your previous experience of not understanding his message. Which, in turn, only goes to prove that your current impression, by definition, has to be false. For it only serves as a model to confirm your previously held belief. There, I think I really nailed it this time. Which, of course, indicates that I didn't. What is 'I'?

[@darillus1]

Disneyland , music and sporting events are the new church, some where people can gather together worship the same beliefs

[@scarletkittyeyes]

I think about this all the time and feel so validated watching this.

[@theonetruetim]

u have become that much more real.... [one step....closer?]

[@rumfordc]

ive watched a lot of unhelpful videos on this topic but this one really clicked. id never thought about that brief NFT hype in that sense before... suddenly it makes perfect sense!

[@viciovs22]

Watching Defunctland's Kid Cities really helped me to get what Baudrillard meant with Disneyland to sink in.

[@Dank_Engine]

One of my favorite books stars a young soldier who’s disillusioned by the “realities” of combat. He imagines that if he can distinguish himself, he and his troop will be whisked away to the real front where men behave with honor and dignity. Later on, a series of events brings him to the real front of the war where he learns that honor is dead and lives in the hearts of men who live virtuously. It’s a tangent, but it dovetails so beautifully with the idea that if you can’t find truth where you are, well, it must be out there somewhere. The protagonist found that there is no reality but what we create

[@abdiazizsaeed4379]

BRO, i swear to you this the best break down of all history, your a legend man keep going!!!!

[@MGSVxBreakpoint]

When I was 5 years old, I went to Disneyland Paris with my parents. The only thing I can remember from is being in a souvenir shop. We wanted to get some fluffy toys or something. I ended up getting bored and wandered out into this massive throng of strangers to go see a shark that was hanging upside down not far away. I couldn't find my way back and ended up bursting into tears, utterly traumatized. The park police escorted me back to my folks. *My only memory of that place was being lost and afraid.* Goes to show that reality lurks in the corners of even the most elaborate fantasies.

[@pugix]

Put the third term "elsewhere" in place of the second term and iterate. e.g. Because "Reality" is not in "Disneyland", it must be in "America." Because "Reality" is not in "America", it must be in "The World." Because "Reality" is not in "The World", it must be in "The Mind." Because "Reality" is not in "The Mind", it must be in "Number." ... There is your metaphysical game. Who hid Reality? Why is everyone looking for it? Where was it before?

[@McDonaldsCalifornia]

Peekaboo

[@rumfordc]

More importantly: Who _defined_ reality? How can you ever find something you can't even properly define?

[@pugix]

@@rumfordc And yet everyone is looking for the real or to BE real.

[@giantmonsterman]

That Disneyland equation actually makes sense. Good on you!

[@natywubet2175]

4 of my favorite theory channels(you, epoch philosophy, horses, carefree wandering) uploaded the same day and its not Friday, coincidence?

[@laurafergs88]

This is the best explanation of Baurdrillard's hyperreality I've ever heard. Thank you!!

[@tysonasaurus6392]

13:36 this is actually really poignant because a lot of Disneyland fans most missed rides is the peoplemover and the park has always been interested in alternate forms of transportation but as the years have gone on the futuristic transportation has gotten stripped out and all that is left in tomorrowland is a miniature simulation of driving cars on a freeway

[@OsitoLauty-wv4in]

"Bacause comrade's Mao spirit is not in Huawei, it most be somewhere else in China"

[@lilmissgearhead]

I forget how to have fun playing the game sometimes. Hearing you verbalize this brought a lot of fun!

[@TheTristanmarcus]

Jeez, I've missed content from you, man 😢 Another cool video 🙏🏾😎🎶

[@milicanenkovic6236]

Thank you for the video, we have covered this once in a sci-fi class, we had to read this at home as an assignment lol I was so lost until the professor pulled up her presentation to exlain what Baudrillard wanted to say

[@omarkhazri4204]

impeccable work as always mr p.p.

[@joecallahan3692]

Dude, fantastic work! I learned more about postmodernism in 22 minutes than I did in 4 years of undergrad and 2 years of graduate work. (What were you saying about the university system again?) 😂

[@_supersolar]

VERY ENGAGING. VERY UNDERSTANDABLE. GREAT VIDEO

[@TheMightyPika]

every day my eyes are opened more and more to just how much propaganda has shaped my understanding of the world, and there are so. many. layers to it. Always finding evermore layers.

[@maze8531]

Insanely good stuff Pills, well done. It is actually really seems like it. We are hear about these things all day, especially online. Reality is trying to create its principle but the principle itself isn't based on reality.

[@Sandra-hc4vo]

This was great! It is interesting to learn the difference between America and Disneyland.

[@SantiagoBurgos-f6f]

Incredible work. The Real as the metaphysical aspiration caused retroactively by the imaginary reminds me of the function of the Other of Lacans theory of the subject; ideals and certainty’s always show themselves as symptoms.

[@Freddisred]

Great analysis. Disney parks workers keep striking for better treatment, it's in every park-goers interest to support their union.

[@chriscaventer596]

"Because Reality is not in The Fake, it must be Elsewhere. Because Society is not in Disneyland, it must be In America. Because True Love is not on Love Island, it must be Out There."

[@jorbdan6305]

Gonna try oversimplify the argument for my own sake, bc the implications are pretty worrying. Basically "reality" (the ideas we tell ourselves about the world we live in and the idealistic way it functions in conventional thought) no longer exists and we only have copies of it. Therefore any idealistic and meaningful actions we take are pointless because it is not interfacing with reality. Whether true or not, I don't really see any value in accepting the validity of this argument bc all it leaves you with is nihilism. Why shouldnt i delude myself into believing some of my actions are meaningful and interact with reality if the alternative is so depressing? There seems to be no positive results from accepting this theory bc there is no foreseeable way in which it steers our actions towards reclaiming or recreating reality or whatever

[@aidanknight1574]

Yes I completely agree. Accepting sheer nihilism should not be the answer here. Just because we don’t have free will doesn’t mean we simply just give up on acting freely. If anything it refines the possibilities in which we might understand ourselves as ‘free’, even if that comes at the cost of realising that we are very much not free (for better or worse). It is the same for hyperreality. It is simply about acknowledging that the technological power of modernity has produced a myriad of ‘simulations’ which modern humans find themselves intertwined within, and learning to recognise and describe the different ways such simulations inform our understandings about ourselves, society and or the world around us at large. From there we can begin to introduce our own “simulations” so to speak.

[@McDonaldsCalifornia]

I think the model can also serve as a lense through which we look at how society creates and recreates reality. Ultimately it is all of us that look for "the real" by diving into "simulation". So by recognizing that the simulation serves to justify our beliefs in reality we can maybe change what kind of simulation we dive into and how that leads us back to the real. Just as baudrillard describes a path that leads us away from reality he also maps out a way back or at least a way past the need for an original.

[@deathrides4756]

I think a video explaining Baudrillards theory of 'Event and non-event' would be greatly beneficial. To me it is one of his most profound essays and gets literally no coverage on KZbin or elsewhere. There are even amazing visual metaphors that would translate to make a great video. Almost anything from 'In the shadow of the silent majorities' is lacking serious coverage and explanation to a wider audience and that small book alone covers so much ground of his ideas.

[@carldehez3117]

Because Pinocchio became a real boy, none of us were ever real boys to begin with.

[@HybridHalfie]

Simulacra and simulation was so ahead of its time. We are ally are stuck in hyperreality

[@Vincent-xe8vp]

Depression was the death of all magic, the death of my liberalism.

[@daltonbedore8396]

uh, cap?

[@postmodernrecycler]

"The most photographed barn in the world." --DeLillo

[@redlightoftryst1769]

I think you did an amazing job with this video!

[@HoboGardenerBen]

As a child I lived in a hyperreal world full of magic. The disclosing of the santa claus deception was like a ritual gateway of leaving that magical world. That was the literal moment I stopped believing in a magical universe and that societal systems and authority can be trusted. Even my parents were in on it, a cohesive group story to give the parents a little shot of nostalgic magic to remember what that magical perspective feels like for just a moment. That's when I took a step back and looked at other norms to see what they contained. All sorts of examples of the intense power of stories in our species. The vibe around medically unnecessary male infant genital mutilation is a good example of norms hiding barbarism. The way we treat animals in the industrial food systems is another. The way we allow our lives to be about the pursuit of money and status objects to display to others.

[@mootytootyfrooty]

Mr Plastic, I propose a generalization of Disney Adults as "Television Americans" You know what I mean right?

[@FogelsChannel]

Wow, well written and presented. You explained Baudrillards primary conceptions clearly, thank you. B's intricate pastiche of concepts doesn't help my angst in the least, he's just a Jackson Pollack raving over his own works and mocking his detractors. He blindly types confusion onto paper and lectures it dripping with condescension. The lamestream media said that Baudrillard real project was to write nonsense, and watch which nieve simps fabricate logical arguments for them, thus proving philosophy enthusiasts are betas to the alpha conjecturer. Let me whip out my Reality theory: Baudrillard's 'Reality' is a simulacra of intelligence to keep simpletons assuming that there is one single theory that can summarize human existence and remove the fear and loathing of an 80 year prison sentence.

[@nimrasaeed807]

Hello. another great video! really enjoy your content. I do have a question tho, (as someone who has not read Baudrillard but is somewhat familiar with postmodernism) what would Baudrillard say about imagining alternatives politically or working towards ethical/ political ideals? would they be reduced to an imaginary fantasy in a Baudrillardian worldview? For context, my question comes from a Derridean perspective on Ethics --- it is aporetic to hold these ideals of friendship, love, justice, yet you must do so.

[@a.crawley5064]

Nice work. Hopefully we figure it out.

[@stevesmith4901]

"Because Justice is not in The Court Room, it must exist elsewhere."

[@c.s.hayden3022]

So maybe that’s why they were singing the Mickey Mouse Club theme while marching at the end of Full Metal Jacket? Kubrick was precise. I’ve read this book before and only now just thought of that.

[@MetalWoodpecker]

17:16 aaaaagh!!!! You said this so well!!!!!! Thank you!

[@erikl1003]

I got more out of this video than anyone else who watched it because I am the most real. I hope there’s 20 other comments just like this one.

[@daniel-zh4qc]

Your baudrillard analysis really has improved over the years - its cool to see the nuance your readings get now! Do a video on the beaubourg effect bc that still confuses me...

[@neverknownsofmetronome9184]

Spot on analysis…

[@Bob-fj7lr]

3:27 this is the smartest thing that man said and it was 100% an accident.

[@abrahamfranco536]

Language evolves faster than symbols. You arrive at something that is both everywhere and nowhere. But with intuition, you can transmute the implicit and arrive at an explicit conclusion…and vice versa

[@kurtadamlar]

Thank you

[@NO-LIVAS]

How about glizneyland and it's hot dog themed

[@Noidstalgia]

yea

[@thedumbdog1964]

I’m listening

[@Nnnes]

because insight is not in this comment, it must be elsewhere

[@okforevigt]

fantastic video

[@KingAuthor83]

This was fire! 📶📶📶📶

[@marcopivetta7796]

it's carazeh you have to explain this given it is probably the most simple and straightforward idea Baudrillard produced (heh) probably ever

[@yogurtballoon8090]

How Can Mirrors Be Real If Our Eyes Aren't Real

[@ertoliart]

Here's the problem with your argument at the end: When you say Disneyland conceals the fact that the "reality" of America no longer exists, this does not imply that there is no such a thing as the real conditions which are those of "actually existing America" (the suburban houses you mentioned, etc.) So that means that the "reality" the absence of which the fake conceals is actually itself ideological. Both the "reality" and the fake exist solely in the realm of ideology. When you say that you will not find real politics outside of your phone, however, you're making a false equivalence. It is true that the fake of a political scandal conceals the fact that democracy doesn't exist, but it is only democracy as conceived by hegemonic ideology that doesn't exist. Real politics most certainly exist. Equally, real organizing of people to build real political power certainly exists, it is not merely an ideological construction. All of this to say, although the video is interesting, you should definitely not be discouraging people from trying to organize, which is definitely what you're doing.

[@drayzorn]

I think he oversteps the mark grammatically at one point for the purpose of highlighting the fact that some people end up convincing themselves that their is an authentic pursuit outside the hyperreal reality, like ditching technology and going on the live a more natural life in a cabin in the woods. I think what he's saying at the end is this is just symptomatic of the overproduction of images, and although 'real politics' does exist, it's well has undergone such an odourless and invisible contamination by this overproduction that it's hard to tell what your drinking, maybe it's your own Kool-aid. I think by the very fact you say that he should not be discouraging people from trying to organize somewhat gives away the bias you might have to some form of organizing being more 'real' than others... As in I'm just guessing you didn't have Qanon on your mind when you thought that... Or maybe you did, I don't know. Having said that I am somewhat sympathetic to your implication that some people go too far with this line of thinking. I was imagining a Fallout character who looks like Pill's preaching about how the Nuclear War did not take place.

[@mynomadwings1988]

Agreed. Thats why I think Guy Debord describes a more successful paradigm that Baudrillard. He claims that the spectacle is just a third order representation (ie. the order which conceals reality or covers it up). The covering-up of material realities by spectacle is just an attempt to hide what is real with an ideological veil. Baudrillard overextends his idea such that there is no real to reacquire, only more levels of un-reality. This is more like a submission to the spectacle than anything else, and it is precisely believing that the reality principle cannot be reacquired that would make this hyperreality come about. Assuming reality is dead is what would make it dead. Its an anti-philosophy in many senses, as demonstrated by the fact Baudrillard writes a whole pessimistic chapter about nihilism being the only option. It throws the activist baby out with the realist bathwater.

[@EphemeralTao]

​@@mynomadwings1988 I would tend to agree, for anything to be a simulation, there must be a real for the simulation to continue to have any meaning, any referent. If one has no experience of the real, then one would not understand the Image.

[@mynomadwings1988]

@@EphemeralTao If there was no real as a referent, you wouldn't even be able to recognise that a real has been lost. You would just treat the hyperreal as a real thing in itself. Baudrillard would never have even been able to recognise that we are in a simulation without at least a tacit recognition that there is something to be found behind it. Ironically, the ability to theorize that nothing around us is truly real, is demonstrative of the fact that there is. At least Debord is able to acknowledge that there is a concrete material economic reality which creates the real; its just hidden behind the curtain like the Wizard of Oz.

[@ertoliart]

@@mynomadwings1988 Exactly. Which is why the line of thought presented in this video is inherently reactionary. Guy Debord ultimately understands the spectacle to be another obstacle that must be overcome by working class consciousness and power.

[@CEOofGameDev]

6:09 whelp, then I must have disneyland immediately!

[@mattandersomm688]

Looking forward to this, I never had the chance to read the book but I find the concept immensly useful.

[@new-machine0]

Every day is a chance

[@addadd8784]

Pills is too good at this

[@terrycook2881]

Disneyland is like how competitive sport is used to normalize dominance-hierarchy -Oedipus complex.

[@greenakutabi]

Then my question is, how do you find what is real? Like you said, the stakes are high, organizing needs to happen but offline is just as unreal as online. Where is reality actually found?

[@oliviertesta8446]

wow, that was one very good. Thank you

[@aislynnmari]

"you have to do something with the wasted imaginary" ❤

[@claytonlevibrown]

interesting video fellow

[@MikeGeorgeC0619]

wait, is your intro the death sound in Lego Starwars? - dope

[@jonathanfonk5470]

City's! Wisecrack covered it awhile back. I was upset i hadn't made the connection myself

[@DrDanWeaver]

Excellent. Very helpful. Thanks.

[@נדבדורון-אנגל]

Would love to get a Baudrillard VS Lacan video🙏

[@mylesjeffers6148]

You’re right, there is no authority but my own conscious light and all else IS illusion

[@CaesarsLobster]

Great stuff.

[@gooseleap]

Thank you so much for this!

[@tylerjenich]

Very helpful to hash out these distinctions thank u

[@bgregz]

I live for this lore

[@andrearenee7845]

Escape 4 adults. Expensive too. Happy trails. Could take a healthy walk in the woods be better. That way you might fight for trees instead of...

[@acea2825]

Because real music doesn't exit in the mainstream, it must be made by independent and underground musicians.

[@yo252yo]

srsly though really great video thanks ^^ i hope we can figure out someday if there ever was a real or when did it die =p probably the former considering the later would be pretty arbitrary

[@innerauthority2439]

My eternal appreciation of Baudrillard / The Matrix / Plastic Pills must mean I am cool intellectual somewhere.

[@rwharrington87]

“Because Ethereum is not tangible, USD must be”

[@foolwatch9008]

The video is interesting but Disneyland imo does not espouse “self sacrifice will be rewarded” “hard work leads to social mobility” it’s literally an escape for kids and nerdy adults. No person ever left Disneyland and thought wow hard work leads to social mobility. So there is a lot of forced injection of ideas here

[@Falstaff0809]

Nicely done😁