Steven Bartlett sharing harmful health misinformation in Diary of CEO podcast | BBC News

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@niller2006
@niller2006 11 сағат бұрын
I love his podcasts, but I do think some of his guests are snake-oil salesmen.
@jakereevesward4562
@jakereevesward4562 11 сағат бұрын
@@Nashinash If I were you I'd worry more about being able to spell simple words like sponsors.
@Nashinash
@Nashinash 11 сағат бұрын
@@jakereevesward4562 it’s called a typo but thanks for your words of wyzdim. 🫤
@emmabrooker166
@emmabrooker166 10 сағат бұрын
Are you a Brit? The BBC receives no funding from “pharma”. The accounts are public you can find them yourself. We don’t have TV or radio drug ads in the UK.
@luvmefood
@luvmefood 9 сағат бұрын
Most, not some.
@KINGDon-l8c
@KINGDon-l8c 9 сағат бұрын
@@emmabrooker166 Forced STATE TV ......incredibly backwards.
@UltraDoug
@UltraDoug 11 сағат бұрын
The answer to malicious or irresponsible behavior is always the same: Follow The Money.
@DrBallSac
@DrBallSac 11 сағат бұрын
He's already rich I'm sure that factors in but I'd say infulance is more important. He strikes me as just a curious guy. He dosint have to push back on questions more experienced interviewers might spot
@UltraDoug
@UltraDoug 11 сағат бұрын
@ fair enough
@stretfordender11
@stretfordender11 11 сағат бұрын
You were right but got the wrong side. This story is created by the money.
@maloxi1472
@maloxi1472 9 сағат бұрын
​@@stretfordender11 Bingo !
@AnneAlready
@AnneAlready 7 сағат бұрын
The BBC is the malicious, irresponsible party here - 100%.
@paulm1303
@paulm1303 9 сағат бұрын
If the BBC is going to claim potential untruths have been stated on the podcast, then refute with evidence. Not subjective, vague judgements and claims. The BBC team have offered nothing to counter the claims made by the experts they are calling out.
@zabava3248
@zabava3248 8 сағат бұрын
😂 you’re right. WTH was this. “Don’t trust them because we said so” type of news report
@AnneAlready
@AnneAlready 7 сағат бұрын
@@zabava3248 And the annoying Australian with voice fry was the icing on the cake.
@bl00m1mgt0n
@bl00m1mgt0n 7 сағат бұрын
This is a short report on the investigation, not the investigation itself. The full investigation is available for you to watch elsewhere, which perhaps you should do if you'd like your opinion to count.
@declanmudiefitzgerald2014
@declanmudiefitzgerald2014 6 сағат бұрын
hypocrisy of the highest order from the BBC.
@zac4539
@zac4539 6 сағат бұрын
Do you really need evidence to refute the claim that gluten causes autism?
@gregbydanov
@gregbydanov 6 сағат бұрын
When you try to tell the truth pharmaceutical companies will attempt a hit piece...
@reggie8370
@reggie8370 5 сағат бұрын
No brother, he's not slanging anything new or invented a new product. He's a sham
@morgan3625
@morgan3625 2 сағат бұрын
oh yeah my bad gluten causes autism you're right
@rba4377
@rba4377 2 сағат бұрын
how is anything he hosts the truth if they each say something different and he neves pushes back. Also yes its much easier to call investigative journalism a hit piece instead of looking into the complex truth isnt it babe?
@zentzu4003
@zentzu4003 Сағат бұрын
There are richer companies in the world than the pharmaceutical companies
@johnmarkrobinson2924
@johnmarkrobinson2924 33 минут бұрын
Wrong without pharma millions would die fact this guy is rich and like they say the more you have the more you want hits =money what it's all about he talks crap and should be up in court to explain why he is lying to people so much it's all about the money
@clairkinsman6648
@clairkinsman6648 9 сағат бұрын
You know Steven Bartlett is doing well if the BBC are trying to “Fact check” him 😂
@bigL29
@bigL29 9 сағат бұрын
He's upset the overlords
@clairkinsman6648
@clairkinsman6648 9 сағат бұрын
@ they will be shitting themselves, now the world is starting to wake up 😄
@CarterSimon777
@CarterSimon777 8 сағат бұрын
🤡🤡🤡
@deeplearningpartnership
@deeplearningpartnership 8 сағат бұрын
@@clairkinsman6648 wake up to what?
@trepidstation
@trepidstation 8 сағат бұрын
People arent waking up, people are starting to fall for misinformation and claim they are waking up ​@clairkinsman6648
@zr9kr9cq7d
@zr9kr9cq7d 9 сағат бұрын
I listen to some of Steven's episodes. Perhaps it isn't the content of the podcasts that's the problem (as everyone should be able to speak freely in the world). The issue I've found is he is obsessed with gaining new subscribers and the clickbait clips and headlines show sensationalist views. It's quite disappointing. If you read through the comments on many of the episodes, you will find the viewership are actually quite educated and intelligent. They often question a lot of the content. This debate is healthy. Steven should just clean up some of his clickbait and maybe put disclaimers on health episodes.
@frusia123
@frusia123 15 минут бұрын
Well said! That's exactly what put me off his show. If you have "breaking news" every week, you lose credibility.
@simonscott5104
@simonscott5104 3 сағат бұрын
I'm pretty sure he doesn't say don't listen to your doctor and do this instead
@heritageinnovationlab3264
@heritageinnovationlab3264 3 сағат бұрын
This is laughable of BBC. Just having a chat with guests....let those with alternative views breathe.
@SmilingCoastline-vb9ez
@SmilingCoastline-vb9ez 7 сағат бұрын
😂 this is sad, even for bbc
@Animalsonlywantkindness
@Animalsonlywantkindness 11 сағат бұрын
"The food people eat impacts their health and the health of the environment. Unhealthy diets, overconsumption, and hunger are leading to nutritional deficiencies and diet-related chronic diseases around the world. The food system is also a major cause for climate change, freshwater depletion, deforestation, and pollution of ecosystems, for example through over-application of fertilizers,' says Dr Marco Springmann of the Oxford Martin Programme on the Future of Food and the Centre on Population Approaches for Non-Communicable Disease Prevention at the Nuffield Department of Population Health, University of Oxford
@geegeelast7597
@geegeelast7597 11 сағат бұрын
Keep in mind this is a podcast. It is not news.
@stretfordender11
@stretfordender11 11 сағат бұрын
The globalists have been onto the bbc for this story due to the pharmaceutical companies
@sonofsomerset1695
@sonofsomerset1695 10 сағат бұрын
They're just jealous he's far more relevant than them with more viewers, plus he is exposing some of their lies about Covid no doubt.
@jonathannash8471
@jonathannash8471 9 сағат бұрын
It is news. Steven Bartlett is on British TV. The British public know who he is. That means that, in this country, him being investigated for something like this is news. You might not care, but some people will.
@EllaNonimato
@EllaNonimato 8 сағат бұрын
keep in mind bbc is mass media, it is mass misinformation.
@RaulDukeKnife
@RaulDukeKnife 5 сағат бұрын
Like professional wrestling, there is some truth and a lot of talent, but it is presented for and should be treated as entertainment. Neither Bartlett nor BBC should constitute news a quarter way through the 21st century.
@kevinjohnsavage2703
@kevinjohnsavage2703 4 сағат бұрын
BBC fact checking for the British public. It’s almost like they care 😂
@AaronTheHumanist
@AaronTheHumanist 11 сағат бұрын
If someone says 'I stopped taking medication because of a KZbin video' isn't that down to them? We can't quantify all information to protect stupid people. We all have a responsibility to fact check everything we see if it doesn't sound plausible, even the BBC.
@Lillypad-ix7sv
@Lillypad-ix7sv 10 сағат бұрын
Nope, if you have a large platform and the resources to fact check; then it’s up to them to verify that information. Algorithms are making it harder and harder to verify information.
@sonofsomerset1695
@sonofsomerset1695 10 сағат бұрын
The BBC warning about misinformation is like the KKK warning about racism.
@egodeosum
@egodeosum 10 сағат бұрын
Of course the audience have a responsibility to be critical listeners when presented with information and assertions, but that doesn't mean we can not hold publishers and content creators answerable for the information and assertion they present to that audience.
@maloxi1472
@maloxi1472 9 сағат бұрын
@@Lillypad-ix7sv There is no excuse for intellectual laziness
@justpele
@justpele 7 сағат бұрын
I'd usually agree with you but sometimes the people might not be stupid but vulnerable and desparate to help themselves or family members who are suffering and will try something that they hear on a popular podcast even if it might do nothing or worse be harmful.
@ciimoon5661
@ciimoon5661 6 сағат бұрын
I love Stevens podcast. I love the diversity of interviews and the freedom of expression allowed there. Keep it up Steven.
@wywy74
@wywy74 5 сағат бұрын
fool
@12q8
@12q8 8 сағат бұрын
Wait, you expect HIM to challenge his guests when he has no medical background? All he can do is not recommend, which is what he does. He simply has a chat with this guests.
@akshayde
@akshayde 2 сағат бұрын
Yes so he is actively platforming liars and scammers and that's a problem too.
@12q8
@12q8 2 сағат бұрын
@ definitely not your problem
@rba4377
@rba4377 2 сағат бұрын
either he likes or not he is pushing all kinds of claims that people will listen to
@gautampressman
@gautampressman 31 минут бұрын
Anyone who is in the business of interviewing needs to have the brains to identify the grifters, conspiracy theorists and phonies. And if in doubt they are supposed to reach out to a network of trusted experts to get their guests vetted.
@EA-de7df
@EA-de7df 28 минут бұрын
​@akshayde I'm so sorry for the lies that have been propagated by the BBC in this case. If you wanna be a scientist you have to take in a lot of misinformation and use your own brain to see what checks out and what doesn't. This man is doing nothing wrong and is treating us like the smart individuals we are allowing us to more access to medical info.
@leonardosalvador2904
@leonardosalvador2904 10 сағат бұрын
It doesn’t help when BBCs own fact checking about one of the subjects of questioning, Thomas Seyfried, is not done thoroughly. On top of the scientific papers he has published, meaning he is not a 19th century charlatan doctor as suggested, but also there is significant support on the scientific community to his claims, and articles by the New York Times and Washington Post, two insignificant media outlets right?, on which he passed scrutiny for making pretty much the same claims he does on the podcast episode. Having a disclaimer around content and is “truth”, especially for health and life influencing one, is definitely a good thing, but it should also apply to the BBC and other media outlets, not only to podcasts. So this whole piece was hypocrite to say the least…
@nurulislam1284
@nurulislam1284 10 сағат бұрын
Also ho doesn't say dont do chemo , he says you can use it in conjunction with chemo at a lower dose
@MummaNeighbear
@MummaNeighbear 6 сағат бұрын
@@nurulislam1284and to add further to both of your comments Dr Seyfried never says doing keto will end cancer. He clearly and thoroughly says that you can reduce the risks but also need to do the regime he treats his patients with specifically based on their individual profile ie- there dietary, chemo and wholistic method for treating cancer if you get it BUT reducing sugar, highly processed foods and achieving or maintaining a healthy weight will be supportive of improving your chances of not developing cancer vs eating processed crap food and not changing your view of health as being PART of a decent preventative approach to cancers. BBC has done themselves a disservice with the report, imo.
@kazminhenkin
@kazminhenkin 6 сағат бұрын
Eww, just the tone of this hit piece highlights why the "news" is no longer the main source of info/tainment. I wonder if this aired on TV.
@megancocks8927
@megancocks8927 6 сағат бұрын
This is laughable.
@hazeltate6614
@hazeltate6614 4 сағат бұрын
BBC is a fraud
@jacgigliotti3005
@jacgigliotti3005 4 сағат бұрын
I don't think Steven needs to challenge his guests (as they are supposed to be experts in their field) but he should certainty have a disclaimer for every show
@Wtizreal
@Wtizreal Сағат бұрын
i think this is a fair response
@Pete_YT
@Pete_YT 10 сағат бұрын
Here’s a funny joke: what’s the difference between misinformation and information? Answer: about 6 months 😂
@rleriche5044
@rleriche5044 8 сағат бұрын
This is becoming a ubiquitous phrase among people who confuse fiction with facts.
@Iris_Transforms_Healing
@Iris_Transforms_Healing 8 сағат бұрын
I’m not suggesting that what is being shared on his podcast is truthful information but we have a right to speech that is free. To suggest it’s harmful misinformation is to suggest that what the medical profession teaches us is 100% accurate and that’s not truth, that’s as much opinion as the ideas of his guests. People should question if what they’re being told is true regardless of who offers that information. The most dangerous thing a person can do is to feel in their gut that what they’re being told is inaccurate and going along with it out of fear of challenging a person believed to be an expert on the matter.
@peznino1
@peznino1 7 сағат бұрын
Tell that to a cancer patient getting fleeced and or dying inadvertently. Free speech doesn't give you the right to shout Fire Fire in a crowded room.
@eleannakritikaki4811
@eleannakritikaki4811 7 сағат бұрын
Last time I checked the guy is not put in jail. Free speech doesn't mean you go unchallenged. If he's so confident in his ideas I am sure he can argue for them successfully in the 'marketplace of ideas'. However it's important to realise that these ideas can spread like wildfire and the vast majority of people don't have the time, computational capacity, or background knowledge to evaluate them critically. Good luck to everyone out there. May the smartest of us survive
@JeffreyGoddin
@JeffreyGoddin 5 сағат бұрын
Consider this: it is well documented that easy lies get more clicks than hard facts, and subsequently, disinformation spreads easily. But also as an entrepreneur, I now know that I can make more money hosting snake-oil salesmen than actual dieticians. Nobody here is saying that this man shouldn't be allowed to have his platform and choose his guests. Rather, we are calling attention to the fact that currently he should not be considered a reliable source of information. Entertain and opine away, but cross the line into medical advice at your jurisdictional discretion.
@hansonel
@hansonel 3 сағат бұрын
@@peznino1 This. Free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. Shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater is one example of this
@PeterAcrat
@PeterAcrat 6 сағат бұрын
⚠ - There's NO Place on this planet where _Personal Discernment_ is not required. The viewer is accountable to themselves for what they choose to watch. They vote with view time. Just like viewers watching the BBC.
@b.e.d.e.m.
@b.e.d.e.m. 5 сағат бұрын
He has half of BBC followers in numbers, it’s only responsible to call him out for being reckless with clickbait content (that is probably the only reason he got so many followers in first place). I was wondering how can he get away with so much refutable rubbish that even I know as a pleb who barely digs under surface
@joetigo2928
@joetigo2928 10 сағат бұрын
If you trust a youtuber for medical advice, you are in trouble
@leonwatkins5072
@leonwatkins5072 9 сағат бұрын
Look up dr Mike he always talks facts he a doctor and KZbinr there are many others that will tell truth
@stequality
@stequality 9 сағат бұрын
I dont trust you
@hongkongkev3941
@hongkongkev3941 9 сағат бұрын
​@stequality you don't have to trust someone in the comments section 😂 Just do your own homework
@RussellD11
@RussellD11 8 сағат бұрын
I only trust CNN and their Dr's! lol
@curlyfox1552
@curlyfox1552 8 сағат бұрын
Obviously watch the BBC
@GGratefulDead
@GGratefulDead 11 сағат бұрын
But it’s okay for the BBC to do it?
@brickalmonds
@brickalmonds 11 сағат бұрын
The BBC spread health related disinformation that can directly lead to patient harm? One example please.
@ivarbrouwer197
@ivarbrouwer197 10 сағат бұрын
Example please
@arseface2k934
@arseface2k934 10 сағат бұрын
Can't remember the last time the BBC told me to skip chemo
@maloxi1472
@maloxi1472 9 сағат бұрын
@@arseface2k934 I can remember the last time it told you to be a guinea pig for experimental biochemical compounds. Two can play that game
@andymac7584
@andymac7584 7 сағат бұрын
​@@ivarbrouwer197 "safe and effective vaccines"
@SecwetGwiwer
@SecwetGwiwer 12 сағат бұрын
The BBC can’t understand the concepts of talking to people that don’t follow “the narrative”.
@TheReadycj
@TheReadycj 11 сағат бұрын
They’ve hosted plenty of controversial figures on the BBC. They even had Alex Jones on one time. The BBC just doesn’t allow anyone a free pass like Steven Bartlett does.
@glydyr007
@glydyr007 11 сағат бұрын
Doctors treating people isn’t a ‘narrative’ lol.. but if you want to follow the dangerous advice please do.
@emmabrooker166
@emmabrooker166 10 сағат бұрын
Like having Farage on question time about 500 times?
@everynamewastakenomg
@everynamewastakenomg 10 сағат бұрын
There is no "the narrative" that's just some dumb thing 50 IQ people believe so they feel less dumb following pseudoscience.
@JJPwfelli
@JJPwfelli 7 сағат бұрын
​@@TheReadycjAlex Jones was only selected to make the BBC look like the sensible grown ups. It works like this. Take any opinion the BBC wants to promote. Get two lunatics on representing the extreme ends of that opinion, then have the BBC presenter representing the grown up and moderate opinion. Every 'debate' is carefully framed like this beforehand. Alex Jones was brought in because the BBC believed he represented a lunatic fringe, on the other side they had some lunatic Guardian journo. Andrew Neil of course representing the grown up and sensible middle ground. There are plenty of sensible people the BBC could have invited on to give alternative opinions - but this would not fit their framing and agenda.
@wilwester
@wilwester 10 сағат бұрын
BBC.... Are you serious with this.
@AnneAlready
@AnneAlready 7 сағат бұрын
They missed the bit where Dr Seyfried says you may be able to lower your chemo dose with an appropriate glucose/ketone index. They are spreading misinformation...and they are also serious.
@drex5160
@drex5160 Сағат бұрын
So we should have listened to him when he said "I hope nobody's listening, but if you are, please keep it to yourself"
@jefferyjimson8574
@jefferyjimson8574 2 сағат бұрын
Where is the evidence for example that the ketogenic diet cannot benefit cancer patients which you would have to provide in order to claim the information is falsely claimed?
@jaglinker
@jaglinker 2 сағат бұрын
BBC is finished
@psiquepanchis
@psiquepanchis 10 сағат бұрын
Why will he challenge any of it. He is not an expert to challenge their statements. He is just a moderator of a podcast. I think he is just bringing different perspectives to the public so they make their own informed decisions. We all appreciate that.
@ciimoon5661
@ciimoon5661 6 сағат бұрын
exactly.
@sirleroyale4412
@sirleroyale4412 11 сағат бұрын
We need to stop watching mainstream news like this…
@geoms6263
@geoms6263 11 сағат бұрын
who is watching mainstream news? My granny
@glydyr007
@glydyr007 11 сағат бұрын
Only an ai bot would say that..
@geoms6263
@geoms6263 11 сағат бұрын
@@glydyr007 do captcha test
@Miichael-b1j
@Miichael-b1j 4 сағат бұрын
@@glydyr007 Oh dear ..
@eatcleanmate
@eatcleanmate 2 сағат бұрын
​@@geoms6263😂☝🏼
@hkaur2268
@hkaur2268 39 минут бұрын
There is so much more to the statements his guest said.. alternative medicine can potentially work for earlier stages of cancer not later.. usually a person misses the red flags given out by thier own body.. That's the time when one has to listen to the body, reevaluate the life style and dietary choices.. we are what we eat! ..instead of putting in all kinds of medicines.. that makes the whole internal system go worse.. that's when keto comes in... this is well versed in vedic sciences too ... and we all know how big the pharma and cancer business is.. they are the ones playing with lives of the people.. making them wait until it degrades and then put them to chemo for life.. my friend had a stage 1 breast cancer , she asked for the surgery to be done right away..she was advised by a top hospital in CA that the lump wasnt big enough to operate.. meanwhile what she needs to do ...have heavy dose medicines and start chemo.. what?? She is 25!! she is a lawyer, the medicines caused her to go downhill with all sorts of side effects to the point of depression.. thanks to her determination.. she took a pause and she went to india, opted for alternative medicine.. changed her diet, started yoga , yes she was suffering, but it was better than torturing her mental health from those medicines and when she was better she got operated and actually cured her cancer... thankfully it hasn't relapsed yet.. that's how the doctor's approach should be.. yes the patients are exposed to all sorts of information.. what do docs do when you go into thier clinic.. today doctors' don't want to spend time with the patients and know their history .. just make a list of symptoms, order tests and prescribe medicines.. all the high level doctors just want to write off others.. I've gone through a tragic personal loss because of the same BS approach during covid.. and then in the patients later stages they want to be all emphatic.. it's so sad to see! .. and as for Stephen's team.. good response! People who watch these things should make an effort to research on their own too and not just blindly accept all information that's coming across even what the doctor says.. learn to listen to your body!!🙏
@jonuslusha2831
@jonuslusha2831 6 сағат бұрын
Even if they are not correct in the podcast why can’t they say their opinion on these health topics.
@elizabethmcnamara6548
@elizabethmcnamara6548 4 сағат бұрын
Exactly. Freedom of speech. This is England! People shouldn't be so fricken gullible.
@Skygrey2943
@Skygrey2943 2 сағат бұрын
Because medicine isn't really a matter of opinion and advice could lead to death.
@orange1599-u1n
@orange1599-u1n 11 сағат бұрын
End the BBC licence fee
@yaxl
@yaxl 7 сағат бұрын
Businessman exposed as an airhead, imagine my surprise
@natashabourne2167
@natashabourne2167 10 сағат бұрын
Oh, leave him alone FFS! This channel is in NO place to throw stones, considering the decades of heinous actions you've covered up. It's all public information.
@elizabethmcnamara6548
@elizabethmcnamara6548 4 сағат бұрын
Yeah BBC needs to go
@martinpeacock71
@martinpeacock71 47 минут бұрын
@natashabourne2167 yes but the morons go and refuse to give their kids a polio vaccine or whatever and they you go a nipper in leg braces like the 1970s. Everything should be fact checked
@corrieDmarketing
@corrieDmarketing 45 минут бұрын
Also true & Tv license scrapped
@jackjhmc820
@jackjhmc820 7 сағат бұрын
Correct me if i m wrong, Wasn't there a famous study where patients fasted 24 hours before undergoing chemotherapy had much lower side effects? It s different from Keto diet but is the mechanism similar ?
@Donnamg100
@Donnamg100 5 сағат бұрын
Valter Long has done clinical trials testing The fast mimicking diet in conjunction with chemotherapy. A really big difference would be FMD greatly reduces protein intake whereas keto definitely foes not do that.
@Donnamg100
@Donnamg100 5 сағат бұрын
Valter Longo
@genreartwithjb5095
@genreartwithjb5095 11 сағат бұрын
Moral of the story don’t get your facts from podcasts or the internet
@Nashinash
@Nashinash 11 сағат бұрын
Where do you get your facts?
@Caneandunable
@Caneandunable 11 сағат бұрын
Or the BBC.
@chiarosuburekeni9325
@chiarosuburekeni9325 11 сағат бұрын
Unfortunately, far too many millions, mostly Americans, get every single bit of their information from these podcasts. This guy, that big headed muscle dude Dr. Mike, Joe Rogan, Ben Shapiro, the list goes on.
@Caneandunable
@Caneandunable 11 сағат бұрын
@@chiarosuburekeni9325 Yes and all more credible than the BBC, CNN, MSNBC, Sky News Channel 4 etc etc.
@Levine93
@Levine93 11 сағат бұрын
That’s the best place to get your facts, information and news from these days! Legacy media outlets will only tell you what you should believe! Remember they’re all tied in with the WEF and Blackrock trying to push agenda 2030!
@junk_rig_sailor1698
@junk_rig_sailor1698 Сағат бұрын
Keto diet, and even better - Carnivore diet , will give the best chance of curing any disease. Sugar is a major player in the causation of cancer no matter what the spokeswoman for the big drug companies in the yellow top said.
@Words7722
@Words7722 5 сағат бұрын
Well, no doctors are honest neither the industry, so people are now learning from those who dare to speak the truth and thank you Steven for providing a platform to those people so we get straightforward information.
@TheCreationSpacewithLynsey
@TheCreationSpacewithLynsey 11 сағат бұрын
Steven has every right to invite and interview anyone he chooses. I was wondering how long it would be before you came for him. If he is increasingly sharing more ‘controversial’ information it’s because he’s awakening and realising that the information you deem ok to share is actually counter to public health and not in the highest interest of the community. Steven is doing amazing things for humanity and long may it continue ✌🏽
@emmabrooker166
@emmabrooker166 10 сағат бұрын
Oh, you fool.
@TheCreationSpacewithLynsey
@TheCreationSpacewithLynsey 10 сағат бұрын
Sending love to you 💖
@KINGDon-l8c
@KINGDon-l8c 9 сағат бұрын
@@emmabrooker166 get ya rooster
@leightonmckenzie7678
@leightonmckenzie7678 2 сағат бұрын
No one is disputing that, but if you're shifting from interviewing entrepreneurs to health experts, you have to be much more careful. The podcast has made him rich, he has the time and means to: 1) know his guests talking points 2) consult those with opposing view points to give those guests some challenge 3) responsibility as someone who reaches a lot of the public to put disclaimers and anything else to not only protect those viewers, but to protect himself. Otherwise he's just being a fool with an open mic. Is he hosting people with controversial views or is he hosting people with potentially dangerous views. I'd argue there's a big difference in the two.
@okanime1
@okanime1 10 сағат бұрын
Isn't Joe Rogan doing the exact same thing?
@acetorres8787
@acetorres8787 10 сағат бұрын
But he safe in USA Steven live in UK
@JohnDoe-pk2hs
@JohnDoe-pk2hs 7 сағат бұрын
​@acetorres8787 I have Alex Jones on the line for you.
@colleen4029
@colleen4029 9 сағат бұрын
By all means, eat sugar and processed foods and wait years to see a doctor while the very diet you are eating could be contributing to your problem. Yes, if you use a 60 second clip to self treat, well then you’re an idiot. It’s just info, some of it feels like quackery, some is legit. People have to do their own research.
@peznino1
@peznino1 7 сағат бұрын
The grift strategy honed in US now in UK
@GoogleAccount0
@GoogleAccount0 8 сағат бұрын
Tons of BBC interviews with politicians, where your journalists do not confront many of their views, what about Covid and the investigative journalism? not to mention that you wouldn't ever confront the monarch about anything, for sure not about monarchy or their estates, while the consequences of policies politicians implement affect millions not few individuals. So why do you attack that guy? Is it because of his viewership?
@maevey3
@maevey3 6 сағат бұрын
Well said
@FatNorthernBigot
@FatNorthernBigot 11 сағат бұрын
It's a podcast, not a newscast. This is trivial and I can't help but think this is just a personal attack. In contrast, the World Health Organisation still insists C19 was caused by a bat. 😂 Priorities, eh?
@arseface2k934
@arseface2k934 10 сағат бұрын
They started seriously considering the lab leak theory like 3 years ago, you're way behind lol
@sonofsomerset1695
@sonofsomerset1695 10 сағат бұрын
@@arseface2k934 Wow, that was bold of them to consider that covid in Wuhan came from the Wuhan Covid Lab, probably because any free thinking person was already pointing it out.
@KINGDon-l8c
@KINGDon-l8c 9 сағат бұрын
@@arseface2k934 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 OK.
@bigL29
@bigL29 9 сағат бұрын
Yes this is a joke totally hit job he's upset someone
@FatNorthernBigot
@FatNorthernBigot Сағат бұрын
@@arseface2k934 The WHO has not.
@JoeBarry-hp3qs
@JoeBarry-hp3qs Сағат бұрын
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@Diamond-y8m Сағат бұрын
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@Diamond-y8m Сағат бұрын
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@Avleen-t8f Сағат бұрын
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@WombatCityStudios-y5f
@WombatCityStudios-y5f 10 сағат бұрын
The almighty algorithm has manipulated him into creating content that gets the most clicks.
@kevinb9830
@kevinb9830 12 сағат бұрын
People should be allowed to share their view. Nobody has to believe it.
@Puggalug
@Puggalug 11 сағат бұрын
Did you see how well that worked for Alex Jones? Persons of prominence that share their view can be very harmful.
@ChrisCharliemadman
@ChrisCharliemadman 11 сағат бұрын
It’s not a view to say false things. A “view” is that I think hot dogs are a sandwich or pineapple is okay on pizza. What’s dangerous here is spreading misinformation and incorrect information in a public way that can inform people’s choices. If I said that it is safe for someone to bungee jump from a 50 floor building with no rope or cord or net, that is not a view, it’s a dangerous spreading of incorrect information.
@UncleBuZ
@UncleBuZ 11 сағат бұрын
While everyone is entitled to share their views, the issue arises when misinformation spreads and reaches a large audience. Freedom of speech doesn’t absolve people from responsibility for the consequences of their words, especially when those words can influence actions, beliefs, or public health. It’s important to allow differing opinions, but equally important to challenge misinformation, as the truth has a much higher stake in these discussions.
@kevinb9830
@kevinb9830 11 сағат бұрын
@@UncleBuZ Many things that we at first thought to be 'misinformation' turned out to be accurate. People like you, who want to suppress free speech, are the real danger.
@thylsadow8410
@thylsadow8410 11 сағат бұрын
That's not really how science works you know...
@sstanding4267
@sstanding4267 11 сағат бұрын
I've been on Keto and Carnivore for 7 years (62M)... Totally changed my life for the better in every way... The reason Steven did not 'challenge' theses peoples ideas is that THEIR IDEAS ARE CORRECT... We have been (literally) fed this BS "Food Pyramid' crap for decades now, with 'carbs' as the base of our eating. Well look around you, how is that working out for the huge numbers becoming diabetic or suffering some other metabolic disease (or the over 50% of Americans who are obese)... I have ZERO doubt that if we ever make 'Big-Foods' for-profit propaganda illegal, Sugar and starchy carbs will be marked as 'addictive' and not a beneficial source of nutrition.
@happiersoul
@happiersoul 10 сағат бұрын
Yes. You are so right!
@dans.o.s.d.s6971
@dans.o.s.d.s6971 10 сағат бұрын
There's important information that you'd bear in mind. Any surplus of Amino Acids (Building blocs of proteins) are systematically converted to Glucose (there's also a metabolic pathway from Glucose to most Amino Acids) and from then to lipids... some leftovers of these reactions might cause accumulatively (=over time) Gout in the Joints, metabolic acidosis and other Nutrional Disease such as constipation IF Fibers (in Veggies and Fat-based grains) are not daily consumed... ESPECIALLY, if someone have a sedentary lifestyle and doesn't get hydrated enough , this is when it becomes EXTREMELY dangerous!
@arseface2k934
@arseface2k934 10 сағат бұрын
I'll never fault anybody for clean eating, but there's a difference between promoting a better lifestyle and utter quackery like saying it can treat cancer.
@dans.o.s.d.s6971
@dans.o.s.d.s6971 9 сағат бұрын
@@arseface2k934 the guy even doesn't know metastasis or other oncological mechanisms... all that continuous research spread out over decades is thrown out of the window... One of the main reasons is ignorance of some medical notions (simplifying médecine and biology for general public is somehow important) and the widespread distrust of conventional institutions due to several scandals like manipulation of scientific research to be weaponized as a tool for advertisements, especially in the US where advertisements is nearly unregulated and rarely put into scrutiny... the FDA is another agent for Industrial Processed Food lobby! All of that gives birth to irrational, baseless statements that's increasingly and seamlessly assimilated by the general public. Many found an opportunity to sell their own pseudo medical products!
@WhoMAI
@WhoMAI 2 сағат бұрын
If the BBC claims misinformation I need to know what this doc is all about. 🎉😂
@JacobMoretti-NotABot
@JacobMoretti-NotABot 10 сағат бұрын
Really tired of irresponsible, immoral people prioritizing their popularity and wealth over others. And the platforms that end up cultivating such behavior.
@KINGDon-l8c
@KINGDon-l8c 9 сағат бұрын
@@JacobMoretti-NotABot OK government bot
@JohnDoe-pk2hs
@JohnDoe-pk2hs 9 сағат бұрын
​@@KINGDon-l8c 46 comments on a 3 day old account and they're the bot?
@maloxi1472
@maloxi1472 9 сағат бұрын
@@KINGDon-l8c The best answer to this kind of thinly veiled propaganda
@JacobMoretti-NotABot
@JacobMoretti-NotABot 8 сағат бұрын
@@KINGDon-l8clol who’s government?
@danielxbox28
@danielxbox28 2 сағат бұрын
Oh god I can tell already you took 5 boosters
@knockedoutloaded
@knockedoutloaded 4 сағат бұрын
The nerve of the BBC to accuse somebody else of spreading medical misinformation 😂
@geoms6263
@geoms6263 11 сағат бұрын
R.I.P free speach
@luvmefood
@luvmefood 9 сағат бұрын
Free speech does not mean what has been shared cannot be challenged. Misinformation is a huge problem but your idol is not fact checking (he has zero capacity for that) and just lets his guests run with anything. There are people who are gullible enough to believe it and die because of these alternative therapies.
@bigL29
@bigL29 9 сағат бұрын
Their on the attack
@rleriche5044
@rleriche5044 8 сағат бұрын
@@bigL29 Spelling/grammar ability checks out
@bigL29
@bigL29 8 сағат бұрын
@rleriche5044 are you dumb?
@bigL29
@bigL29 8 сағат бұрын
@@rleriche5044 or just stupid
@RabbieRobinson
@RabbieRobinson 8 минут бұрын
Thank you BBC, for always being a shining light of truth, in a dark world of misinformation! Sarcasm level: 50000000
@davincimaths9492
@davincimaths9492 5 сағат бұрын
I know some people in Kenya who quit Chemotherapy and went to alternate medicine and they are all healed....I feel that there is alternative
@vijayendrastillwell
@vijayendrastillwell 10 сағат бұрын
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@mohammedgarner932
@mohammedgarner932 10 сағат бұрын
I began investing in stocks and Def earlier this year, and it is the best choice I've ever made. My portfolio is rounding up to almost a million and I have realized that when a stock makes it to the news, chances are you're quite late to the party, the idea is to get in early on blue chips before it becomes public. There are lots of life changing opportunities in the market, and maximize it.
@stephenmcrea7885
@stephenmcrea7885 10 сағат бұрын
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@triniteetellez
@triniteetellez 10 сағат бұрын
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@desmondhenry8827
@desmondhenry8827 10 сағат бұрын
I would really like to know how this actually works.
@ankurkaylor
@ankurkaylor 10 сағат бұрын
Do you have an idea of any good broker I can start with?
@unpluggedgamer1378
@unpluggedgamer1378 4 сағат бұрын
Diary of a ceo speaking the truth when bbc’s making a video on it !
@jefferyjimson8574
@jefferyjimson8574 2 сағат бұрын
This is just a matter of the researchers on the podcasts have to give a disclaimer of 'this is ongoing research and must be taken with own discretion and based on personal condition rather than taken as universal confirmed facts' then this would resolve this investigation. If something could potentially help someone then they should not have the freedom of speech taken away because in the event it may not work for someone else, or also this information could be undertaken in conjunction with mainstream practice and could enhance healing/ health. - with this being said don't fall for scams/ do not pay for anything all the information can be found for free, someone might compile the information and put it all in one place for convenience such as a course or book etc. and put it behind a pay wall for there effort of compiling, however this information can be found for free and check reviews and ask what is included and don't pay high prices say more than the cost of a book.
@alinkarim7146
@alinkarim7146 3 сағат бұрын
I think the biggest claims she’s made here: 60 second advice people are taking. No they’re doing research. Sugar does contribute to a lot of conditions that can amplify cancer cutting sugar out should always be the first thing you do. The doctors they mentioned aren’t selling supplements they’re providing some useful info. Do proper research
@feelgoodchef
@feelgoodchef 6 сағат бұрын
They should go on the podcast and share there points if they dont agree. Simple
@mccabekj
@mccabekj 2 сағат бұрын
BBC calling people out for misinformation is way to ironic
@hetty7891
@hetty7891 11 сағат бұрын
What an exaggeration 🙄
@stretfordender11
@stretfordender11 11 сағат бұрын
Pharmaceutical companies been into the bbc. It’s so obvious.
@davebetts
@davebetts 4 сағат бұрын
"In an analysis of 15 health-related podcast episodes, BBC World Service found each contained an average of 14 harmful health claims that went against extensive scientific evidence," BBC claims without offering any scientific evidence.
@BrianKelley-tp8io
@BrianKelley-tp8io 11 сағат бұрын
So, trust, no one...
@SF-wx1bu
@SF-wx1bu 2 сағат бұрын
There's so much mistrust with the medical industry, from diagnostic mistakes, long waiting lists, stretched staffing, clinicians being promoted to early which often leads to poor medical practice...people will look elsewhere for 'expert advice'
@justaguydoingdiy7975
@justaguydoingdiy7975 3 сағат бұрын
When you have Chat GPT as a guest to respond.
@Ideophagous
@Ideophagous 11 сағат бұрын
Honestly I didn't like his podcast because of overly clickbaity titles. Though I dislike most of youtube for one reason or another these days.
@lillianjulius3734
@lillianjulius3734 13 минут бұрын
I have followed Eric Berg for six years on KZbin. And he has helped millions of people. To cease eating chemical laden things passed off as food. Designed to make Ceo and shareholders maintain their wealth. The only problem is the expense for millions of working class and toilers. As grass fed meat is a money making machine. Underlying all, is the decaying Capitalist value system. In all industries across the planet.
@Lucypearla
@Lucypearla 11 сағат бұрын
Steven Bartlett is not a doctor, he’s not going to be able to challenge his guests like you suggest. Listen, the biggest threat to people’s health is not managing to see a GP or consultant in a timely manner, and a crumbling NHS. Let people decide what they listen to.
@joshgrime6258
@joshgrime6258 11 сағат бұрын
Then he shouldn't bring the guests on and talk about medicine and health. Do you think more people will see a GP after watching his video where someone says keto diet can cure cancer? Wake up moron
@yeti1989
@yeti1989 9 сағат бұрын
They are not even gonna go to doctor (until it's too late) if they think keto can prevent/cure cancer. There are far too many pseudo scientific health influencers who often make their beliefs/claims seem genuine and based in studies they had misinterpreted
@JohnDoe-pk2hs
@JohnDoe-pk2hs 9 сағат бұрын
You're the type of person who would abdicate for bringing back radioactive lipstick.
@leightonmckenzie7678
@leightonmckenzie7678 2 сағат бұрын
Surely by your logic then, he shouldn't be having these people on if he's not an expert. But seeing as he does have these guests on, I'll argue he is able to give challenge based on: he will know his guests talking points beforehand and a man of his means is surely able to consult those with opposing views to his guests. At this point he's just becoming a grifter.
@macintoshrp5769
@macintoshrp5769 4 сағат бұрын
If BBC investigating this that means Steven Bartlett is doing right thing
@leightonmckenzie7678
@leightonmckenzie7678 3 сағат бұрын
No, it doesn't. It means he has a lot more work to do. If he won't challenge his guests, then he should put disclaimers to not only help his viewers, but to also help himself from instances like this.
@ollymark11651
@ollymark11651 33 минут бұрын
Anyone who relies on the medical establishment for their health is nuts.
@LuzDoSol-yr5bv
@LuzDoSol-yr5bv 6 сағат бұрын
I found it strange because a heath disclamer note on these podcasts should have been implemented when they noticed the shift.
@carolyn4407
@carolyn4407 10 сағат бұрын
stopped watching his podcast a while back, when I realised that most of his so called health experts sounded more like quackery. People should stay in their lane.
@HeartFeltGesture
@HeartFeltGesture 6 сағат бұрын
Yes, please stay in your lane, you arent a health expert, so dont have an opinion on what health experts have to say. Which experts do you choose to listen to? Which ones do you decide are the real experts and the quacks? What gives you the ability to say which is which? Lest you be a total hypocrite?
@leightonmckenzie7678
@leightonmckenzie7678 2 сағат бұрын
​@@HeartFeltGesturethe one who is recommending keto over chemo definitely has to be a quack.
@theancientsancients1769
@theancientsancients1769 11 сағат бұрын
He is getting attacked for 2 reasons. One obviously is his ethnicity and success and the other is he is bringing on guest that fought big pharma. Dr Hyman teached me lots and helped me. Sickening to see him attacked
@utubebroadcaster
@utubebroadcaster 11 сағат бұрын
Your comment was sponsored by a giant pharmaceutical
@EllaNonimato
@EllaNonimato 8 сағат бұрын
stop it with the race rage!!
@nmrodrig
@nmrodrig 16 минут бұрын
Wait, about the cancer guy, he put the disclaimer several times that the keto diet is an extra to the medication! Meaning people shouldnt stop taking the medication! He wasn’t irresponsible… quite the opposite.
@eklim2034
@eklim2034 10 сағат бұрын
An idling passive host is as guilty as the lying guest
@acetorres8787
@acetorres8787 10 сағат бұрын
🤡
@dandydoodigery9854
@dandydoodigery9854 9 сағат бұрын
Not according to western law….it is one of the reasons the BBC can publish articles that are wrong, then retract them 2 days later. He, the host, is not making any statements or guarantees. He is interviewing someone.
@12q8
@12q8 8 сағат бұрын
Not really. He is no expert. He wouldn’t have a clue if something some guest said is wrong or not. Best he can do is move on to the next question. If you had some random guy talk to you about how in neurology, the neurons have a haptic curve at the end that senses where it is extending, and that they exploit that to grow biological neural networks, you really can only say “wow, that’s cool” and either forget about it in a second or regurgitate what you’ve heard in parties to sound smart.
@leightonmckenzie7678
@leightonmckenzie7678 3 сағат бұрын
​@12q8 oh come off of it. Anyone could challenge someone who is recommending a ketogenic diet over chemo for those suffering from cancer. If you are inviting someone onto a podcast to talk about x research, you should surely know their talking points beforehand and should want to challenge them on some things. The podcast host isn't some regular guy struggling to make ends meet. He has the luxury of time and is able to consult others with opposing views to his guests so that some points can be challenged.
@12q8
@12q8 2 сағат бұрын
@ you haven’t even watched the episode, the context, or anything. Also, you don’t know his life to claim he has the luxury of time, and it is not his job to find an expert on every subject, for every episode.
@reubenwizard
@reubenwizard 42 минут бұрын
seems like some overlords are upset...
@AnneAlready
@AnneAlready 7 сағат бұрын
Seyfried repeatedly suggests you should work with your oncologist and that chemo doses can often be lower/less toxic for patients with a therapeutic glucose/ketone index. The BBC SUCKS.
@andrewlaw8121
@andrewlaw8121 Сағат бұрын
Somebody’s truth is someone’s lie. The best solution is educate yourself, boost your critical thinking and come to your own conclusion
@BornIn82
@BornIn82 6 сағат бұрын
At the end of the day, we all die 😂
@edgarasmajoras5418
@edgarasmajoras5418 11 сағат бұрын
Well I don’t think that it’s Steven’s job to be an ivestigative journalist or something and challange every single thing a guest says - no one would come to his podcast that way 😂 also that would be very hard as Steven is not a health expert. I believe Steven does a great job on getting opinions out of guests and I believe it’s a resposibility of a podcast listener to fact check a guest and come to their own conclusions.
@loveisall5520
@loveisall5520 8 сағат бұрын
Sounds like Steven's not much of anything except another self appointed KZbin lightweight. If 'edgar' likes just hearing trash talk, where Steven doesn't do the homework of the honest, then go for it!
@leightonmckenzie7678
@leightonmckenzie7678 3 сағат бұрын
It's not that no one would come to his podcast, but rather people with actual substance would only be interested in coming to his podcast. You can flesh people's opinions on any matter by giving them some challenge. He isn't some regular guy, he has the luxury of time and is able to consult people with opposing views to his guests. He also knows the guests talking points beforehand as well, it's not like they just show up at his podcast and he's scrambling for things to speak about. I'd agree with you on him not needing to be an investigative journalist if he's just asking business people what they did to succeed etc, but once you go into the field of health, then absolutely have to be.
@leightonmckenzie7678
@leightonmckenzie7678 3 сағат бұрын
If you're not a health expert, the best thing you can do is not talk about health at all 😂
@loveisall5520
@loveisall5520 2 сағат бұрын
@@leightonmckenzie7678 The boy doesn't have anything but unbased biases combined with some likely superstitions. As leighton says, people of substance won't fool with lightweights like this tyro.
@Sunluvr1
@Sunluvr1 8 сағат бұрын
You say these particular broadcasts could “ sow distrust in medicine and could lead to patient harm “ . Dude ….. welcome to the internet !!!
@frenchiewilliamson3319
@frenchiewilliamson3319 4 сағат бұрын
This worries me about the authenticity of BBC now. I've seen that episode and at no point does he simplify it to just cutting out sugar, and juicing. He also doesn't advocate that you don't do chemo, he just tells you that it is in fact harmful (that's why it works so you can't really deny that fact). He also doesn't push ANY supplements or pills. In fact he encourages more study of the subject based off of what his studies show. He wants REAL scientists and Dr's to look at what he's saying from a point of understanding not simply refuting because your peers say don't look at the data. I have never be on the level of a conspiracy theorist but this is giving me MAJOR cover-up vibes.... and BTW he LITERALLY said the same thing this DR said in that there isn't a magic bullet to cure cancer which is more proof that you either didn't listen to the podcast or are deliberately omitting or cherry picking what you want from it. This is real clownery frfr. Yall think we all stupid huh.
@Curiouslist
@Curiouslist Сағат бұрын
A good example is Steve Jobs. He fell for the alternative medicine lie and look what happened. He had preventable cancer had he gone earlier for actual medical treatment. Thats one "diary of a CEO" we'll never get to hear from
@catherinethomas1276
@catherinethomas1276 7 сағат бұрын
Everything in moderation is fine. The issues are the way food is now grown and produced. Bread is no longer tolerated well by lots of people in the uk because of the poison spraying on crops.
@RussellD11
@RussellD11 8 сағат бұрын
Propaganda to create DOUBT and FEAR...
@cedrickiplimo2991
@cedrickiplimo2991 11 сағат бұрын
Often, the word "misinformation" is the biggest misinformation 😂
@StuPedasso007
@StuPedasso007 11 сағат бұрын
It’s almost he sells ivermectin 😅😅😅
@gottagosteph
@gottagosteph 4 сағат бұрын
I’ll take “ misinformation “ & even disinformation any day over censorship . Respectfully permit me the authority to discern & decide for myself what & who to entertain or dismiss.
@GAZ0648
@GAZ0648 10 сағат бұрын
Bbc hit piece
@rayf4925
@rayf4925 5 сағат бұрын
What's the danger to patients again? Doctors often suggest patients change their diet for various illnesses. It’s not like the podcast is saying to stop taking all medication. BBC is following the American model of criticizing everything that isn't being advertised on their platform. Sad!
@akshayde
@akshayde 2 сағат бұрын
Seems like every other day a podcast is causing problems in society
@VPPAF
@VPPAF 43 минут бұрын
remember people if the bbc say its true it must be 🤣
@gambeeno817
@gambeeno817 11 сағат бұрын
His podcast was crap anyway.
@3rdcarnet927
@3rdcarnet927 11 сағат бұрын
Hater
@gambeeno817
@gambeeno817 10 сағат бұрын
​@@3rdcarnet927 His podcast had originality for entrepreneurship and business which I enjoyed. Now he's just a wannabe Joe Rogan 2.0.
@KINGDon-l8c
@KINGDon-l8c 9 сағат бұрын
@gambeeno817 most likely was crap....but it's got the bbc I mean government all riled up ....good
@soosmate
@soosmate 43 минут бұрын
Wow cancer expert was good! So clear and precise, thanks!
@ghoflyer
@ghoflyer 11 сағат бұрын
Stopped watching this once it started promoting quackery. Glad the BBC did an expose.
@Caneandunable
@Caneandunable 11 сағат бұрын
The BBC is the misinformation machine of the state.
@quinkydinkend
@quinkydinkend Сағат бұрын
Why does it sound like this woman is reading from a script……
@pulsecodemodulated
@pulsecodemodulated 11 сағат бұрын
@1:11 "Alternative medicine doctor" is my new favourite oxymoron.
@daniellegeddes8432
@daniellegeddes8432 3 сағат бұрын
It's factually incorrect. He is a functional medicine doctor. An actual medical doctor who focuses on holistic treatment.
@DaStarchild666
@DaStarchild666 4 сағат бұрын
Nobel prize winner in 1931.... why give someone a nobel prize if what they discovered wasn't real
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