Is LEGO DC Supervillains Canon to LEGO Batman?

[@TheKillerMoth]

If Lego DC Supervillains is cannon, that means canonically Killer Moth got hit by a bus. So that explains why Killer Moth isn't in DC Supervillains.

[@kalebert.]

Rip

[@Hi_Just_Fred]

Villains may not have had Moth but 3 didn't have scarecrow so it's an even trade.

[@SeanWheeler100]

When was he hit by a bus? LEGO wouldn't kill anyone unless they died in the source material, and a lot of them end up surviving anyway.

[@gechoman44iwantahippo]

@Shift_Salt Scarecrow was DLC in 3, Killer Moth didn’t make it into Villains at all…

[@yummynubs3646]

@@SeanWheeler100 "Lego wouldn't kill anyone" before watching lego cut off Robin's head with a manhole cover 5 seconds later

[@TheKinderstone]

another reason the jokers entry can be different is because the DC supervillains one is the police records so they might not be as good as batmans records.

[@Shadydoesit]

exactly that

[@Frosty-Dog99]

But if you go back to Lego Batman 2 in the intro to the ace chemicals level the ticker tape literally says it was the birth place of the joker

[@fallouttoonlink]

Joker likes it multiple choice

[@alexjensen9490]

⁠@@Frosty-Dog99quote “the killing joke”, something happened to Joker at Ace Chemicals to become Joker, but not even Joker or Batman remember what truly happened

[@benphillips2385]

With respect to the Joker orign conundrum, the description in DC Super Villains is from Argus I believe (or another government associated department), whereas the description in Batman 1 is from the Batcomputer specifically. So my guess is that Batman knows the Red Hood origin, but whoever keeps the notes in Super Villains doesn't

[@bd1p]

that’s a great point!

[@frankspick7544]

Plus has some people pointed out. His origin is still a mystery. No one knows who red hood was under the mask. the only thing we do know of Joker is that he use to go by red hood has a villain and that it. That not a origin.

[@HeadHunter-mv2ht]

Also even in the comics joker has had multiple origins, he even admits that he likes having his past be multiple choice.

[@TylerYoshi]

The reason Gotham and Metropolis are so close together in DC Villains compared to Batman 2 is quite simple: Dimensions. They were literally slammed together and had to be majorly rebuilt. This would also explain the numerous design changes of the two cities.

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

In Dimensions, there was a reason for this. The Entire Multiverse was in chaos, and so Lord Vortech caused each of the dimensions to go down in global destruction. However, most of the assets & designs of the architecture were the same as the ones seen in the 2nd & 3rd LEGO Batman Games. So there’s no way the citizens of Gotham & Metropolis would rebuild the buildings from the ground up.

[@DCkid5510]

imo dimensions is not canon

[@alecpheonix0761]

It is dude, Dimensions just likely takes place after Batman 3, and they just never mention it in Supervillains, because only a few DC characters are actually aware of the events of Dimensions

[@Protosilver97]

But they do mention it in Super Villains. An NPC​ mentions he preferred when Metropolis and Gotham were fused. @alecpheonix0761

[@thomasbennett0]

It's canon. Joker stole the deconstructor gun from Lego Batman 2 when he steals from Wayne Tower.

[@catalyst539]

you do realise he talks about this also the deconstructor gun is from lb2

[@gokufirespit8418]

It should be noted that just because something references canon events does not mean that it itself is a canon event. The proper line of reasoning would be that if the canon event references the event in question.

[@thomasbennett0]

@@gokufirespit8418 Chill out about canon events. That's Spidey 2099's thing.

[@emeraldkoala2]

Case closed, thank you for saving me nine and a half minutes. (Sarcasm)

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

@@gokufirespit8418I mean look at LEGO Marvel Superheroes 2. That game’s supposed to take place directly after the first game, however because Fury & the Guardians of the Galaxy don’t look like how they were in the 1st game, not to mention the 1st game’s end credits scene has Fury meet up with Black Panther, while the 2nd game had Kang showed up, not to mention New York is snowing in the 2nd game when it wasn’t in the 1st game… just shows that it can’t directly take place after the 1st game.

[@gospelfreak5828]

The Jokers identity not being known is consistent with the first game as the first game doesn’t say who the red hood was. Red hood isn’t a legal name or secret identity.

[@esteryrose]

I have a Lego Dimensions related theory: When Lord Vortech ripped apart the multiverse, he caused cataclysmic events to occur in every Lego universe, including Lego DC, which had Gotham, Metropolis and Atlantis seemingly collide. However when the damage Vortech did to the multiverse was undone, the universes were probably repaired, but not fully the same. I think the events of Dimensions were likely akin to a Crisis on Infinite Earths that caused the Lego DC universe to reboot.

[@kfcfamousbowl]

this. I think there's a case to be made that the transition from new 52 designs to rebirth era designs suggests that lord vortech basically pulled a doctor manhattan

[@ShardCollectorGames]

I would agree with this if it weren't for his Lego Batman Timeline video, where Lego Batman 3 is after Dimensions. As stated and shown in this video, the opening cutscene of the first level of Lego Batman 3 shows the same Gotham as the one from Lego Batman 2. The same Wayne Tower, globe at the zoo, etc. Then again, the after-credits scene in Dimensions shows someone else gaining Lord Vortech's powers, so perhaps he reshaped Gotham and Metropolis?

[@sacrificiallamb4568]

@@kfcfamousbowl LEGO Doomsday Clock?

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

Or, LEGO DC SuperVillains is on Earth 2 of the LEGO DC Universe.

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

To back up this theory, The Hub Worlds in LEGO Dimensions were shattered.

[@laragallahue7127]

When it comes to Joker being the Redhood, he still surrounds in mystery - we knew he was Red Hood but why and his real name is not know. So both can be true Joker was the redhood but the rest is of origin is not know

[@quba8745]

Regarding the Gotham city changes, DC Supervillains does poke fun at the changed design, with some random NPC dialouge saying that the city keeps getting major renovations to it's look for whatever reason (or something like that, don't remember the exact line)

[@TheRealstarkHOUTx]

“You ever notice Gotham seems to get a new look every couple of years?”

[@NintendoMeister2260]

I do find it funny that Wayne tower went from elevated and reaching the skyline to grounded and smaller than the Daily Planet and Lexcorp.

[@Bat_fan-1]

My theory is that Lego dimensions was THEIR crisis on infinite earths: meaning everything got a new change and layout like Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Catwoman, Joker, etc. So no matter where DC is a crisis is bound to happen

[@rudevoices9204]

"shrouded in mystery" I think still works with the information given because we still know nothing about who he was before he was Red Hood. There's no identity behind the mask or under the makeup, making his true origin forever shrouded in mystery

[@lasercraft32]

There's also the fact that the villain profiles in this game AREN'T on the Bat Computer... They seem to be more of a police file or something. Maybe Batman knows the Joker's origins, but whoever wrote the profile didn't?

[@THE_mr.jiggles]

Another detail i want to mention is the fact that in one of the levels in dc supervillains, before they fight the atom, they mention taking brainiacs ship to the green lantern corps

[@joshuavis2736]

I had a thought of my own reason behind the differences in jokers backstory between the games. The red hood backstory is logged in the batcomputer while the dc supervillains bio is in police files. Batman’s personal database is likely to be more accurate and extensive compared to GCPDs files so the contradiction is understandable

[@The_Albino_Jackal]

It could also just mean that by “unknown origin” they just mean they don’t know his name or life prior to becoming a criminal. Not that they don’t know he wasn’t the red hood

[@JaniacTheHedgehog]

The NPCs in the game actually make reference to the fact that Gotham and Metropolis recently merged, which is either referring to Brainiac's invasion or the events of LEGO Dimensions (which also fused Gotham and Metropolis).

[@rennythespaceguy7285]

In the last LEGO Batman 3 DLC (the Suicide Squad one) the ending has the squad catching Killer Moth and Waller saying like "let's just say my team took care of him" since he doesn't appear here the implication is Killer moth was killed by task force X

[@ToasterLad_]

I’m imagining him returning in the next game and saying “you fell for the old fake Killer Moth gag”

[@rennythespaceguy7285]

@@ToasterLad_ Honestly a decoy killer moth makes complete sense both given the suit from LB1 and the fact he's part of that tier of Batman villain. Polka dot man has a dot that turns into smaller dots that then become human fists, why wouldn't Drury have a fake version of himself

[@kwayneboy1524]

6:49 A answer I can pull from the comics is that in later years Bruce could've figured out that the man who fell into that vat of chemicals wasn't The Redhood as in Batman Zero Year we find out that a man named Liam Distal was Red Hood but was murdered by a man who later became The Joker. So its possible that years later Bruce found out about Liam or at least found his corpse realized that whoever he fought on that catwalk wasn't even the leader but some unknown criminal.

[@Badass-Dalty]

The comics aren’t canon to the Lego multiverse

[@TheBlueBlur477]

Jokers backstory could also be a mystery because he tend to retell it different ways but also because he jokes about everything so when he tell his backstory its not taken seriously

[@Wasdye]

My guess is that they removed the Red Hood log from Joker's biography to avoid confusion since the *other* Red Hood is playable in DC Super Villains

[@chocov1233]

I guess they could've just said in the bio for Jason Todd Red Hood that he took the name from the man who would become The Joker.

[@nicholasallen1711]

The goat just posted after a long long work night I love kicking back with a drink and a bd1p video thank you for brightening my nights

[@ThiCosta2497]

The thing about Joker's origin is that it was never consistent at all Batman registered the events with the Red Hood on the batcomputer, but he's the only one with that information The biography in DC Super-Villains is from the prison records, so his origin is unknown for them While in Batman 2, Vicki Vale says in one of her cutscenes that there were rumors about Joker having an accident in a makeup factory or smth So Batman is the only one that knows the truth

[@comicfan1324]

6:47 if I could throw my hat into the ring, I think there is a way to explain how both biographies for the joker could simultaneously work: 1. When DC super villains biography states that “his true origin forever shrouded in mystery“ that technically doesn’t contradict the red hood origin because not even Batman knew who he truly was under that hood. we don’t know if he had a pregnant wife who tragically died, we don’t know if he was an enforcer for the mob, we don’t even know if his dad ever told him “let’s put a smile on that face”. All we know is that he had a red hood on when he met Batman and after falling into a chemical vet, he emerged as the joker. To me that sounds pretty mysterious. 2. The red hood origin could just be one of the “multiple-choice” origins that joker has given out over the years and Batman has simply theorized that it is most likely to be true. 3. The bios are not written from Bruce’s perspective, but instead, they are written from a meta-textual point of view. So they could both be accurate. The red hood story could be his true beginnings while at the same time no one knows that for sure.

[@colorscales4269]

My idea of why Gotham and Metropolis are so close now is that after the events of LEGO Dimensions where the cities were smashed together, they had to rebuild

[@richardsphd]

I always assumed the reason everyone was redesigned was to fit better with their Rebirth designs, like how Lego Batman 3 fits with the New 52 designs. They even made an effort to include characters heavily tied with Rebirth, like Jon Kent Superboy, Simon Baz and Jessica Cruz Green Lanterns, and both Wally Wests

[@ramsaysanders3986]

Killer Croc's new design actually appears in LEGO Batman 3, there's even a line where Robin comments that he's bigger than before

[@skarloey1214]

You could argue even if we know Joker was Red Hood it is still "Shrouded in mystery" if they don't know who red hood was or why the chemical worked.

[@kenji7318]

Oh we’ve been waiting for this one

[@Jam-og1km]

Joker being the Red Hood doesn't chsnge the fact that his identity is srecret, because he was still a complete mystery as the Red Hood

[@felipesalvatierra805]

3:57 yes, enough time has passed for the JL roster to change, especially for a team that changes roster every Tuesday lol

[@Datrentyboi]

3:47 What if they just took Gotham City and pushed it somewhere else That's closer to metropolis

[@Felix-fh4vp]

There is a NPC in Metropolis that says something like 'Is it just me or Gotham go through some major renovations in a few years?' This could explain why the map is so different

[@14possumsinatrenchcoat]

The easiest way to explain the joker’s origin discrepancy is that one data entry is from the bat-computer, while the other is from arkham asylum

[@Shade-0]

The reason of why the joker's past is shrouded in mystery, might be that the identity of the original red hood was never brought to light, thus we only know, that the joker was red hood, but not who red hood was.

[@OsirisTheRaptor]

I like to think that thanks to *Lord Vortec* "Screwing" with dimensions, he caused the worlds to change. E.g why Gotham looks different, is closer to Metropolis etc. And why things like *"Easter Eggs"* exist in other lego games. Their just things from other dimensions scattered across the lego multiverse after Lord Vortec tried to fuse the dimensions together. And just when we thought everything went back to normal... We got lego batman 3. And the *weeping angel* Easter egg in the swamp.

[@luanvictor7636]

1:41 another good example is the Megaman Zero series, many people don't like the art style because the robots are much skinnier compared to the Megaman X series. However it was confirmed that the Zero series characters still look like their X series counterparts, the devs just wanted to try an different art style

[@TheFirstCurse1]

I love how the LEGO games are so loved and adored by fans that people debate over the canon for each series, wheb TT games almost never thought about that for even a second.

[@rodriguezsanchez3860]

There are dialogue references to Brainiac and the events of LB3 in DC Super villains, so in my mind it's definitively canon.

[@dynaguy3]

I remember Jayshockblast saying in a video that he asked someone at TT about the continuity and they responded with “who says it’s part of the old universe?”

[@jamesamey]

My headcanon is that, considering LEGO Dimensions is canon, when the worlds were merged and Gotham and Metropolis forced into one another, the cities were rebuilt and left close to each other, with Metropolis being on higher ground due to the displacement of the ground when Lord Vortech mixed everything up.

[@comicfan1324]

If I could request a video topic, I was wondering what you take on Superboy (Jonathan Kent) in this game is. He appears in a side quest, which implies that he is a part part of the Lego Batman video game universe at this point… But then Lois doesn’t seem to know that Clark Kent is Superman, which would be weird if they had a kid together at this point in time. (unless this is a Superman returns situation where Lois doesn’t know Clark is Superman, but Jonathan is the result of a one night stand) This isn’t an issue with the overall timeline, I’m just curious how he can exist without Clark and Lois being together. Do you think he’s from the Multiverse? Is he even canon or can we write off the side quest as purely gameplay? Any thoughts?

[@Mr.ThemeSongs]

Killer Moth might have ended up in the multiverse sometime before LEGO DC Super Villains.

[@SeanWheeler100]

Or maybe he just didn't feel like breaking out of prison?

[@Mr.ThemeSongs]

@@SeanWheeler100 I don't know, but if he is in the multiverse, maybe he could come back if they make a sequel to LEGO Dimensions? (They probably won't, but still.)

[@SeanWheeler100]

@@Mr.ThemeSongs He could also come back if he remained in Arkham during the events of LEGO DC Supervillains. He could lead the breakout of the next game.

[@TheGreenPuff]

TheGreenPuff!

[@Elise_006]

The villain bio’s being different could be explained by the fact that in Batman you play as Batman and use his software, but with this criminal one’s it’s their in universe police files, further supported by the fact the bios are presented on a case file

[@lorddeez1385]

Off topic, but youtube has only been giving me notifications for your shorts! Will be going and watching the backlog!

[@Worlds_Worst_Artist]

One thing to note, is that in stage 8 Minikits level, in one of the display cases you could find the original Batman Cowell from Batman 1&2.

[@slothoverlord4388]

The Atom is working with shrinking tech that he is salvaging from Brainiac's ship just before his boss fight, and immediately after that we get confirmation that the Watchtower still uses Slideways Teleporters to some degree, which I think are good indicators in the game slotting into canon as well.

[@PureMaddnessOne]

The Supervillains game continues the story were the 3rd game stopped and teased with. So yeah it is canon. In 1st game they couldn't do big characters like big characters yet, what they could later, so the Killer Croc changed look makes sense, heck if they make like a "Skywalker's saga" type game (but even better) than Killer Croc would be big all way through. Either in comics Harley did go from her OG/better design 2 her more modern/worse design as well. The 3 Joker's comic wasn't awful, just rushed. The current run have Joker with 3 personalities, what is dumb, as the Joker would have more and the Mobius chair would't say 3 distinct Jokers in that case.

[@brianloco9987]

Finally I was waiting for this video

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

I remember somewhere that Traveler’s Tales said that LEGO DC Super Villains was in its own continuity in an interview from 2018, but that was years ago, so I can’t remember where I found the article. Like, I’m not making this shit up, I remember hearing it from somewhere, but even if I did find that article, it’s probably deleted, just like how that one quote the LEGO Dimensions Facebook Page said they’re hinting at a sequel, which never happened.

[@gman_0277]

he’s back🎉

[@kalebert.]

I also had an idea that they redesigned it from the destruction lego dimensions caused. In the dc world it looked like the same city from the second and third game. It also has metropolis super close most likely due to lord vortech. But maybe they decided to rebuild both cities super close? Idk

[@felixmckinney7132]

In my opinion, yes. It is cannon. Tt putting the little details like the ice cream factory & deconstructor gun in along with it making no sense to make a new universe for a new game. As for Joker, I think they just wanted him to fit every version they could. Lego games feel like the pull from every source possible when creating their universe. Even if the Red Hood origin is the most common, there’s still going to be somebody who might want to imagine his origin aligned more with say, the telltale games, or any other piece of Batman media with the Joker. Harley isn’t a big deal either, even in her debut in the animated series she’s broken up & got back together with joker a million times, & I think she’s been solo act in the comics for some time now.

[@Batminem0]

Finally, the video I've been looking for

[@Beaner_11700]

I think that the profiles we see in LDCSV is the profiles aware to the public. While in Batman 1, that’s Batman’s profiles because he was there when the joker was created.

[@khizeryusufzai2185]

I think they meant they didn’t know who Red Hood is being the mystery

[@ktstw2135]

In the DC comics, when Harley Quinn leaves the Joker when he drops her in a chemical vat. This changes her appearance, and this change lines up pretty well with her appearance and demeanor in DC supervillains.

[@pineappleproductions1095]

Pretty sure developers have stated they meant to name him Tim drake but accidentally made it Dick Grayson, so it is supposed to be Tim

[@TheDoctor_3D]

Could the events of Flashpoint be canon since we get both Wally West and Wallace West in the game?

[@TalkingTimlo]

I remember the braniac ship in a level

[@ramsaysanders3986]

Lego DC also has the slideways teleporter from Batman 3, and the Atom fight even references the Brainiac shrinking tech

[@Misdemeanor3839]

I think it’s canon because the bat-cave reuses assets from Lego Batman 3, plus it’s the best Lego game in my opinion.

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

I honestly think LEGO Batman 2’s the best LEGO DC Game, but that’s just me.

[@alastairolson3226]

@@ShockwaveFPSStudios I think it’s dc super villains cause you don’t have to switch between characters to do things your custom character has like all the ability’s and running around Gotham and metropolis as the flash is so fun

[@LocalTorchwoodIntern]

Also would Malcolm Merlyn also break the canon cause his voice actor is also his actor from the CW show ????

[@TheFordoCanonizationCommittee]

Merlyn (as far as I remember) first appeared in LDSV and not in any of the other games.

[@ChrisSuperDude]

@@TheFordoCanonizationCommitteeHis arrow version was DLC in Lego Batman 3. That being said, he had no baring on the story

[@aerospherology2001]

@@ChrisSuperDude Yeah, bonus and DLC levels of that sort are easily classifiable as alternate universes.

[@RelativelyUnknwn]

I think if anything Lego Batman 1 should be considered as in a seperate canon from the canon of LB2, LB3, Dimensions and Supervillains. It just feels like LB1 doesn't fit with the tone, atmosphere and overall world of the others. Plus lego Batman 2 & 3 are not really even lego Batman games they should really be called lego DC Superheroes 1 & 2, its similar to the FOX X-Men universe its not the wolverine universe but he is one of the main vehicles for movement in the overall story becuse he is easily the most recognisable and popular of them all much like Batman in DC. Thats just my thoughts.

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

I disagree with this completely. While LEGO Batman 1 is definitely different compared to the 2nd & 3rd games, I should point out that the game came out in 2008, back when LEGO Games started to have more mumble as opposed to the voice acting that LEGO Island & the EA Developed LEGO Games had. So there’s a reason why it doesn’t have voice acting compared to its sequels. I still think LEGO Batman 1 is still canon to the events to the 2nd & 3rd game, especially when it helps enhances Batman’s relationship with Robin and eventually the Justice League. Heck LEGO Batman 3 references the first game when Joker boots up the first game in order to send some missiles to Batman & Robin.

[@RelativelyUnknwn]

@@ShockwaveFPSStudios first if all your argument about voice acting and mumbling is irrelevant as I never talked about that at all not even once your the one who is bringing it up not me, mumbling and voice acting are not really relevant to me, I actually personally prefer voice acting than mumbling but this whole topic has no bearing on any of my points if it did i would have mentioned it but i didnt. Secondly just becuse LB2, LB3, Dimensions & supervillains creates a relationship between Batman and the Justice League that is heavily expanded upon in those games and explores the relationship between those games versions of Batman and Robin doesn't automatically make it canon that's a silly argument. Thirdly while the title screen of LB1 is refrenced in LB3 that doesn't mean their Canon to eachover. Just because something refrences something else doesn't make it automaticly canon to eachover for example lego marvel superheroes 1 references Batman with Black Panther and LB3 references Marvel characters like Spider-man and Captain America yet the Lego DC and Lego Marvel game franchises are not canon to eachover or for another example if Halo refrences Marathon doesn't mean they are canon. Just becuse something refrences something else doesn't make them canon to eachover. Overall you have created arguments for points I never made and not really actually tackled any points I made. While I respect that you have an opposing view and opinion I respectfully have to say I think your wrong and that overall all my points still stand. Ps. Sorry for the late reply was gonna respond then completely forgot.

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

You clearly don’t know a defense is. I was defending the canonicity LEGO Batman 1 has towards the rest of the trilogy, as well as those versions of DC’s beloved characters being involved in LEGO Dimensions. You’re saying that I brought up points that you never said, but in actuality, I was backing up my claim that LEGO Batman 1 is canon to the other LEGO DC Games. It sounds like you’ve never seen a “in my defense” type of comment. It’s relevant to explain how LEGO Batman 1 used mumbling, compared to the other LEGO DC games, because mumbling is what made the tone, atmosphere, and mood, in LEGO Batman 1. Your counter argument’s irrelevant because you’re getting mad at me for giving you a reason as to why LEGO Batman 1’s tone & humor are different compared to it’s later entries. As for the world, The LEGO DC Games tend to change its world a bit, I’ll give you that. But there’s an explanation for why Gotham City looks different in LB1, then how it looks LB2-Dimensions as well as DC SuperVillains. LEGO Batman 1’s Gotham was different than the other two games, however, that’s because the world was mainly designed to be levels for the game. LEGO Batman 2’s Gotham was designed to be more open world based, which is why Gotham looked different compared to how it was in LEGO Batman 1… with the levels being designed around the hub world. Despite this, LEGO Batman 2’s version of Gotham remained consistent with LEGO Batman 3 and the DC Levels & Hub World in LEGO Dimensions, as Gotham wasn’t relatively the main place to go to go to in those games. LEGO Batman 3 explored more of the Lantern Corps, and LEGO Dimensions was a crossover game, so DC wasn’t the primary focus. LEGO DC SuperVillains did change Gotham and Metropolis, in order to be more aligned with the Rebirth Era of DC Comics, but as the video states, there’s a line spoken by one of the NPCs where he jokingly says how Gotham & Metropolis gets reboot every so often. In conclusion, I didn’t create arguments you never made… I’m defending and explaining why LEGO Batman 1’s canon to the other LEGO DC Games, which you overreacted.

[@RelativelyUnknwn]

@@ShockwaveFPSStudios First of all you keep saying that I'm overreacting and that I'm mad that your giving reasons for your beliefs, this is simply not true if anyone is getting mad and overreacting it's you, I'm not the one being so rude as to say "you clearly don't know what a defence is". I would also like to say that I'm well aware your trying to formulate a defence for your belief that LB1, LB2, LB3, Dimensions & Supervillains are all in the same canon, I can read so did surmise that from your original comment. On your argument that mumbling is 'what made the tone, atmosphere and mood' your just plain wrong. First of all, clearly the humor between the mumble and voice acting era will necessarily have to be different due to the fact that one has to be communicated visually and physical only whereas one can be words with physical and visual humor as other options like at a comedy show for example, HOWEVER your argument as I said is wrong. First of all the voice acting era still uses lots of humor that is communicated visually and physically as in the mumble era and if anything made the humor slighly less funny. Secondly the mumbling litterally has no effect on the tone, atmosphere and mood. This is becuse in LB1 those things are crafted not by the mumbling but by the auditory world such as through music and sounds as well as through the scenery. Thirdly in the early era of Lego games made by Tt such as the TCS, Indiana Jones 1 and LB1 the games had a generally more serious tone as opposed to LB3 for example which further contributes to the tone, atmosphere and mood and which ultimately create a world that feels fundamental diffrent. When it comes to the visual style of the world I have no problem with it changing in theory as long as it does not fundamentally undermine the previous style or for example alter it so much as to not be compatible whatsoever with the previous style for example: when examining the diffrence between Bungie's art style for Halo 1-3 & Halo: Reach there are major differences for example with the design of the Covenant let's say the Elites for example while the designs are very diffrent I actually like the Reach designs more and they do not undermine the tone, atmosphere, mood and world that bungie created with them all feeling connected. However if we look at American Dragon the changes in art style between season 1 & 2 compleatly undermined the show and ruined much of the aesthetics of characters for example the design changes to the Huntsman between seasons not only completely ruined his design but also changed his entire atmosphere. With this understanding we can now apply this to LB1 & LB2, the design changes between games are so absolutely fundamental that they don't even feel like the same world everything is redesigned fundamentaly from the ground up in a way that make it seem so far removed from one another that its actually jaring. I understand that one could say certain limitations and changes had to be put into place to make a smooth free roam experience (which im not entirely convinced of) however the level of change seen between these games is more than that. Entire places from the first game are erased such as Gotham Gold reserve or for example Gotham art gallery or the dockyard. As well as that I mentioned the aesthetic changes, now as I said previously if the aesthetic changes were done right and felt connected to LB1 it would be fine but there not. Of course LB2, LB3, Dimensions are very consistent visually as they are in the same canon although there are some changes to Gotham itself visually and as you said the NPC dialogue in Supervillains covers the style change between it and the previous games LB2 - Supervillains canon. Overall my points still stand and I belive LB1 is in a different canon to the other games and that I have provided evidence to prove that.

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

⁠You’re doing it again! You’re basically proving my point.

[@luckysix1015]

Another possible reason for the change in Joker could be that between the time for LB1 and dc super villains evidence that contradicts the red hood origin could have appeared

[@polocatfan]

god, everytime I see this game I just wanna play through it again. it's so good.

[@Sonshinestudios-o3c]

there was this one guy blitzwinger who did playthroughs for LDCSV i think his name was and he asked TT games abt the robin change and TT said "Who says it's in the same universe?" so i'd recommend finding that vid.

[@ToonyTalesX]

I think the Joker being Redhood and have his identity being shrouded in mystery is possible simply due to the fact that no one knows who he was before he took up that mantle. They could be referring to his true identity not just his alias as the Redhood. Also for the Gotham and Metropolis being combined thing, both those cities were smashed together during the events of Dimensions. And with the 4 year gap between games, you could say they just rebuilt the 2 cites into what they are now.

[@e3xhernandez359]

8:04 also the files in Supervillains are from ARGUS so it isn’t a contradiction at all that the Batcomputer knows who Joker is

[@chrisolmedo959]

I think I have an idea why the jokers info is different because the police didn’t know he was red hood so it’s mysterious to them, but Batman knows because he was there. He created him so Batman, but the police would not know

[@dangerjamesproductions]

It was the right idea to pause one piece for this

[@SuPaRn0oB]

Where you at in one piece rn

[@MrMagicianJr]

We should find out more if it is or not when lego batman 4 releases

[@jessicamumford7876]

you could argue that, at the very least, there's a split timeline scenario with LEGO Dimensions and LEGO DC Super Villains. In LEGO Dimensions sees Gotham & Metropolis mashed into one city and in LEGO DC Super Villains one of the citizen's lines says they wouldn't mind Gotham and Metropolis being mashed up as they wouldn't have to take a cable car, implying it's never happened before. This would also fit with the fact Dimensions' crossover-laden premise is unlikely to come up in future games. However, as I like continuity I think there are a few ways you could explain this, one being that a few years have passed so the Gothamtropolis incident has faded from memory or that this kinda stuff happens all the time said Metopolis citizen just didn't know about that particular incident. Other explanations that I'm personally not a fan of but could also consider is that restoring the dimensions erased the memories of the Vortech stuff from most of the population (which I don't like cause it's effectively the same as just retconning the game) or that Dimensions is after DC Super Villains (which I don't buy both cause aesthetically it's much more in-line with LEGO Batman 2 & 3 and cause Dimensions uses the Tim Drake Robin while he's Red Robin in DC Super villains).

[@nameynamename3758]

the comics themselves can't decide if joker's origin is a complete mystery or if he was red hood. at the end of the day it's a kid's game tie-in it bends with the times and current comic continuity, which is why the riddler bio is interesting. as far as im aware he was never a wayne tech employee outside of forever, which is obviously inspiration for the first game. why would they bother to add that detail if it wasn't connected

[@theinfiniterift]

Dcsv is a great successor to the past games, but is really only cannon to 2 and 3 due to these being part of the dc super heroes line, which Lego Batman was completely standalone and based off the comics and animations at the time. And while all the games are at the end of day, based on other media, the story from 2-dcsv is unique and its cool that a bunch of tid bits from the past story such as brainiacs ship and the deconstructor show up here, ties it all up really well

[@_LeadTV_]

A few little notes: with the maps being different, in lego DC Supervillains when walking in gotham some pedestrian says "Does gotham look different every couple of years or is it just me?" or something like that (it was last year i 100% the game so i don't really remember) and the character selector looks like files which may just be a design choice but the character biography makes me see it more, I believe that they arent what the bat computer knows but maybe what the police know? maybe because batman knows about redhood but who knows who the person keeping the files know? that last bits just a theory, but that line in the beginning proves that even if this game isn't canon to the previous games, maybe the previous games are canon to it? also in the deathstroke mission deathstroke says that theve worked together before, i don't know if that helps or not but ye.

[@Lexious_Mofaa]

Another great lego batman video from Mr ButterDip1p

[@nuggetfactory281]

Maybe the Batcomputer knows that red hood is Joker, but the “files” on him don’t know him

[@BringBackAngryBirds]

I made a Google Slide Show on almost The Whole Lego Batman and DC Timeline from your Timeline Video, so the credit for most of The Timeline goes to you. I also added Lego Batman 1 The Videogame's Data in for those Events, and I even did some research on DC Comics and Movies and added it in.

[@MatDazNah2005]

Could you make a video about the speedrun history of LEGO Harry Potter years 5-7? It would be interesting if you explained the year warping thing.

[@JordanVerco-f9g]

as far as I'm aware the data entry of the joker being the red hood beforehand is just a reference to the killing joke comic book which was later adapted into a film i also took a look into my DC book collection and I noticed my ooshie collector guide you know those things that go on the bottom of pencils well I read through and the joker's information happens to reference the killing joke comic as well not to mention the killing joke comic came out march of 1988

[@mrkaji8913]

7:48 I want an animated adaptation of it

[@Kurotae]

Looking cool joker! Amazing video

[@SilverNStuff]

the 1 thing i don't like about this game was them changing batman and joker's va's kevin conroy and mark hamill are amazing but the original voice actors for the last 3 games are so iconic for lego

[@avo478]

I really love this game, I don't really know or care much about the marvel stuff, but it feels like a lego-ified saints row 4 with a fantastical comic theme if you primarily play with your custom character. it's great, and I'd love if we could get some more of how the custom character was handled in other lego games, really missed it in the skywalker saga.

[@Drawoon]

I think Harley Quinn went solo for the same reasons she did in the comics, the birds of prey movie and the harley quinn animated show. Joker treated her badly. They probably didn't talk about it explicitly in the games because they didn't want to mention abuse in a game rated 10+.

[@TheFordoCanonizationCommittee]

But they were so silly together in the game

[@medafan53]

@@TheFordoCanonizationCommittee Agreed, while Harely isn't in a position of being completely obsessed with Joker, she has her freindship with Ivy and has been on the Squad, within the game, they are portrayed as a couple.

[@peytonluiz4]

BABE WAKE UP HE UPLOADED

[@TheRealstarkHOUTx]

Bane uses the Dimensions design, but as we saw in dimensions, Two Face got stuck in 1920s New York in the Wizarding World… explaining his absence in Batman 3, and oddly, the design of the new two face. What if it’s a different guy?

[@Hi_Just_Fred]

I don't think the Joker bio is a mistake at all, especially because all the other bios are so good. I think generally TT realized that The Joker overall is a lot more interesting to most people if his origin is kept a mystery and always called into question. You also gotta keep in mind the times when each game came out and how the current fandom saw things. Lego Batman 1 was pretty heavily tied to the animated series, and the animated series likewise was heavily tied to the 89 movie. And both showed very clear cut origins for the Joker, even if he wasn't the red hood in either Yes the red hood is commonly accepted as Joker's previous moniker before his transformation in some way, but even that is up to dispute because the Joker is an inherently contradictory character. For many the appeal of Joker is his "multiple choice" backstory and fractured mind so having a clear cut "okay he was the criminal redhood before chemicals made him the joker" is VERY simple and definitive which simply doesn't align with what people like about The Joker anymore. So no if anything this is an improvement and keeping up with the times.

[@justsome500yearoldwithsmug2]

Think 2 - Villains are canon while Batman 1 is sorta in its own thing, and that's just generally how different how Gotham looks between both games. There's no mention of the league, so I believe Batman 1 is sorta just its own canon.

[@undead-dog11]

This is my fave lego game

[@Patryk-eddsworld]

Make a vid asking if Lego games on ds are canon as the story is different with different bosses and levels ❤

[@comicfan1324]

Personally, I consider Canon. For the designs, I I feel like you can write off different appearances as a stylistic/artistic choice. For example, killer croc started as a mini figure in this series, but ever since Lego Batman three he has been portrayed as a big figure because at that point in big figures came into existence, and the designers figure killer croc should be portrayed that way. Not to mention in some cases, they have to update the character designs to match what the current Lego sets are going for. That’s why Lego Batman three leaned into the new 52 style. This is in the same category as other video games which update their character designs as later games are introduced. Just because Mario is now depicted in a high poly 3-D model doesn’t mean that it’s a different Mario from the classic 8-bit games. As for the lore, I’d say there’s nothing in the game that can’t be explained away. I can easily see this being the progression from the already established Lego Batman game universe. Also, Gotham and Metropolis being right next to each other can easily be explained away with dimensions where they were fused together into one city. They even referenced the name “Gothopolis” from flash’s Lego dimensions side quest.

[@doktor_it]

the joker intel could be explained by the first game being the Batcomputer providing the info and DCSV getting it's info from what we can assume is either a police department or prison records - batman most likley just hadnt shared his discovery with the authorities

[@SuperWarrior64]

1:49 Not really no. Because in Lego Star Wars TCS Anakin and Obi Wan chase Count Dooku and the events of EP2 play out the same as canon. But in Lego Star Wars Clone Wars they just head back to a Republic Cruiser. So that must mean the Lego Clone Wars game isn't even canon to TCS because of that continuity error

[@AshyMuted]

The Joker having a mysterious origin and the Bat-Computor having info on the him falling into a vat of acid don't even contradict each other. Like. At all.

[@Full-rider-hopper]

Sidenote Lego dc super villains will beat kill the justice league any day of the week

[@HydraKittten]

I consider it canon, just progressed further, considering the massive destruction from the events of 2 and 3, gotham would have to be heavily renovated. and i see the Data being changed being due to the bat computer having more info than some written documents

[@nicholascopsey4807]

FYI, the padawan in episode 1-1 of lego star wars the complete saga is obi-wan, not anakin

[@DKD1939]

For the Joker backstory thing, it doesn't break continuity. In the comics, Batman has always known who Joker was but didn't tell others because it could have people going after his family, so it makes sense that Batman would have the true database. Also Joker has said in muliple instances that he likes to keep his backstory multiple choice, so there can be lots of made-up stories along with conflicting ones.

[@RandomRamblings86]

In The killing joke comic joker said that he likes to keep his origin story multiple choice and in the mad Love episode of the new Batman adventures Batman explains to Harley Quinn that the joker tells people his origin but in different ways. This establishes the precedent that the joker tells people his origin but he changes it every time. It could be that in Lego Batman 1 Bruce thought that that was the origin story of The joker but over the years he found that joker was an unreliable narrator so he had no sure way of knowing for sure what his true origin is.