Ear Cropping, Tail Docking & Joel Goes Scorched Earth on Malinois Owners for Hating on his Clients.

[@markhoffman]

I agree with Joel. The people that bring their dogs for help are miles and miles ahead of those that abandon the dog because they made a poor choice.

[@Anon_E_Muss]

Agreed!

[@bjbumblebee5324]

I was a professional dealing with human behavioral problems for years. I also walked peoples dogs since I was a kid in the 60's. Anyone who brings their animals or themselves in for help are people to be respected. Iwas a kid and taught peoples dogs how to walk on a leash and not pull and they eventually walked their dogs. Good for the people and the dogs. People who trash others who seek help may have a few character issues to work on themselves. Monday morning quarterbacks are the last people that you want to take advice or criticism from. Bravo to those who seek help from you and other trainers and behaviorists. I would love to see classes for people who want to own a dog that teach them how to pick and train their first dog.

[@lisaleondires9576]

Thank you for sticking up for the people who rescue 😊. We literally have no idea 🤷‍♀️ what happened before we got him.

[@jdrankwalter]

It doesn't matter what happened before. What are you going to do to train the dog to behave now.

[@TheWarPillow]

​@@jdrankwalterUnderstanding as much as I can of her and what she's been through further helps me in training her now.

[@inspiteofbecauseof4745]

Two things can be true at the same time. 1. Any owner who seeks appropriate help should be praised. 2. Your videos can serve as an educational tool for those considering getting a certain type of dog that is best for their home type, lifestyle and pet background they may have. People often choose breeds based on their looks or see someone who has one and think they’ll get the same results.

[@stevewhitaker7260]

I own a Pure breed Malinois , love him to death. He's not my identity He's my dog. We train every day. They take a lot of work. I respect that they rescued a Mali. Homework Is key to owning one.

[@stephenr80]

My dog has been attacked twice by the same dude and his malignose. Those dogs are dominant and strong. They need very responsible, hard working owners.

[@ratchschleuczynski9821]

I own a malinois. I agree: he's my dog, not my identity. I used to train every day the first 2 years. Countless hours of exercise, obedience, and agility class. He's 6 now, so he knows what's expected of him. It was a ridiculous amount of work though.

[@Spr1ggan87]

Purebreds are very different to most of the Malinois in circulation, if you look at the ones Police use as well as what's coming out of backyeard breeders you can see the Pitbull, Mastiff, or GSD in them from the head size, shape, and general size/musculature compared to purebreds.

[@williambelford9661]

Here in the UK ear cropping has been illegal since 1897 and tail docking for the past 20 years.

[@Watzleroviak1210]

Same in Germany, different timespans though.

[@gravelpit5680]

yep prolly for the best. All those arguments about hunting tails seems like BS to me.

[@PvtVallen]

As it should be, if you do either of them to a dog you are a trash human.

[@Drmac64631]

They drive on the wrong side of the road, it's the law.... THEIR law.... I don't live in UK

[@williambelford9661]

@@Drmac64631 and we in the UK thank you for that.

[@MikeMacYT]

We live in Arizona and took our DDR GSD (a bit less crazy than a Malinois, but still crazy) to Joel for a 2 week board and train. Totally worth it. More than anything, what I learned was how important consistency and EXHAUSTION is to working dogs. My girl is just over 2 years old now, and I see how important it was to give her that foundation. There are no quick fixes, but over time, instilling that foundation makes all the difference. The Malinois owners were so smart to get help from Joel. Total winners.

[@gerdberg4188]

I have a yellow lab 8 got him at 3 1/2 . Was totally spoiled , did whatever he wanted , pulled like a train engine , jumped on people bad , ran off if he got loose , demanded cookies , was walked with two leashes , One hooked to a composite type pinch collar and the other hooked to a squeeze type harness . He could have cared less , if there was resistance he just pulled harder . This dog learned to pull with all his might ! Pulled me down a bunch of times . Took quite a while , he is pretty good now . I watch all you guys . There is so much dog knowledge out there now there anyone can learn to train a dog without spending any money .

[@PM-bk1ry]

We own a chihuahua, we began watching Beckman and adjusted our teaching methods and found her a job. In the evening, she is to hunt the grasshoppers perching around the garden.

[@lynnharr8953]

That's freaking awesome

[@angelinacamacho8575]

my basenji mix has a high prey drive so i taught him to chase me on my scooter or at least run along side it. he also learned pidgeons are ok to chase but he never tries to catch them he just likes to make them scatter almost like timon and pumbaa bowling for buzzards. he also makes a great alert dog.

[@TheWackler]

I had a youth therapist and he was great cause he didn't sugar coat anything. He's like "having motivation is a social concept. It doesn't exist like that you just think it does. You must create your own motivation, you have to allow yourself to try things out and allow yourself to find out you hate some stuff. Cause it's healthy it's how we don't do it again. You can be passionate about anything you want to as long as you get up and do it, learn about it, etc. Your brain cannot physically be positive and negative. So just go learn something even if you don't think you feel like it and or you're not good at it. Take your failures in a positive light, and you'll move forward."

[@gerdberg4188]

Failures are lessons , hopefully

[@gregb1469]

Sorry for my comment on the Mail video I thought they got the dog from a breeder. I wasn’t shaming the people I was shaming the breeder for not screening puppies. If they rescued that dog good for them. I’ve rescued two neglected Dobermans, and it was a handful to get them into manageable family pets. Good for those people to learn how to do this. I use your techniques everyday on my dogs.

[@blueflare3848]

I saw your comment on the other video, and I honestly don't think you said anything wrong. You weren't shaming the owners. You originally thought that they had gotten the dog from a breeder and that the breeder should have known better than to sell a dog with such a high drive as a pet.

[@gregb1469]

@@blueflare3848 Doberman breeders should screen potential owners a lot more than they do. So many dogs in Florida’s 3 Doberman rescues getting surrendered because people don’t understand how much energy a Doberman puppy has and needs to be burned off daily. And Mali’s are a step past Dobermans on the drive side. Anyone can learn how to train one, but it’s not an easy task, you have to be on your A game 24/7

[@TheKopfjager]

as a dog trainer, and a Malinois connoisseur. I wish all malinois owners the best, the journey is rough❤

[@cherylschaeffer7832]

With the cropping/docking thing, what you have to think about is was it done professionally by a vet using anesthesia or in the dirty environment of a backyard using scissors and other unsanitized implements. I'm personally not into cropping/docking. I don't see the purpose of it. But I'm more upset that too many dogs that I've seen, especially pits, are clearly cropped "at home."

[@Izamota-q5v]

Docking is normally done with a rubber band similar to how bulls are castrated but ya know with a puppy tail I don't mind cropping if they do it right and leave enough ear - those poor bullies and mastiffs I see often have barely half an inch left if that and ears are a big part of canine communication

[@ajax068]

My thing about cropping and docking is that its completely unnecessary. If human can bred a dog to have a flat face (pugs), then humans can breed a dog to standard with out cutting up their ears and tail

[@Michele_6815]

I had a dog trainer we hired to come to our home criticize us for using a Gentle Leader. I tried his way-which was a martingale I think-and it didn’t work at all. I have joint issues and can’t risk my dog possibly injuring me so I love the head harness style. The trauma thing is so true. One our cats broke her femur in 3 places when she was about 1 1/2 or 2. We don’t know how it happened-we came home and she was like that. She had to have a rod put in and then removed 3 months later. Plus 3 months of cage rest. She was the most easy going, easy to handle cats before that happened. After that she was changed. And yeah, everyone needs to stop with the criticism of people who are seeking help. Just stop it! 🛑

[@steelcitypoodle508]

Re: floppy ears, Belyayev did a breeding experiment with foxes. The only selection criteria was friendliness and very quickly they started to have dropping ears, bigger eyes and more white in the coat. Interesting that all the things we tend to consider desirable in dogs also showed up in these foxes as they became "genetically " tamer. Seems reasonable the same happened with dogs.

[@BDTraining]

Very true. I’ve heard of his work but forgot until I read your comment and others comments on the subject.

[@protonjones54]

so the more tame the foxes were the more likely their ears drooped?

[@Sardonic_Cynic]

@@protonjones54 you'd have to go look up the study - it's out the on the 'net somewhere - but it took like... seven generations or something like that

[@tvvistedv3nom26]

@@protonjones54yes same happened for dogs

[@protonjones54]

@@tvvistedv3nom26 but not for all dog breeds, like german shepards, their ears don't droop and they've been domesticated for a while now, right?

[@thomasosullivan9609]

I am a trainer in Tennessee and LOVE gentle leaders. They are the only thing that can help weaker or elderly people control strong dogs. I have noticed people are apprehensive about them for a couple reasons. They either think that it is a muzzle and makes their dog look scary, or they don't like the fact that the dog doesn't like the feeling of the gentle leader. Silly reasons in my opinion, because it is hands down the best tool.

[@xGUANdeLUPEx]

Fully against circumcision/FGM AND cropping ears/tail docking, and am vocal about both.

[@daniellependock2554]

In regards to the floppy ears. I read a paper once years ago that was done by a geneticist who worked with the Russian fox experiment (to see if domestication would have any effects on "wild" fur trade silver foxes) The basics of the experiment was that they kept breeding the most friendly foxes with the most friendly foxes to see what would happen in the domestication process. During the process they did many blood tests on those foxes as they got more and more friendly. They found that as each generation got more friendly and a little more domestic, their brains were making less and less adrenaline and the foxes became more and more reliant on people like dogs. The found that the less adrenaline the foxes had, the more colours the foxes were born in that were hidden colour genes from the wild foxes. Silver foxes are naturally black. (The black being a side effect of high stress levels for that species of fox) They started getting all sorts of colours with less and less adrenaline. (Pibald, creams, reds, patches, spots, different eye colours etc etc) The other side effects were barking, curled tails, and FLOPPY EARS! Floppy ears are a domestication side effect. It happens with rabbits, goats and cows too. I don't know if any one has figured out why this happens in domestication. All that scientists know is that it's linked to having less stress and adrenaline being pumped into their system from a more relaxed lifestyle of being domestic as opposed to being wild and having to fight for their life every day. If anyone can find the paper or if they can find any newer info on this. Please fact check me! And maybe share a link to that paper 😁🧡

[@brightandsleepy]

I tried to put the link in, but it didn't go through. If you google "The silver fox experiment" you'll find the paper. Also links to follow up studies on domestication regarding the original experiment. 🙂

[@daniellependock2554]

@@brightandsleepy that's awesome! Thank you. I might read it again just to refresh my memory on it. I found it fascinating.

[@brightandsleepy]

@@daniellependock2554 There's also a documentary on KZbin. I watched it a long time ago but I'm sure it's still on there. Really interesting.

[@clairgoodman3285]

I love that Joel is so kind and respectful about all dogs and their owners. Most of the dogs I have owned have been rescue dogs and they have been some of the most amazing and wonderful additions to our family. My last rescue was in the shelter for 5 months, she was skin and bone from all the stress of the shelter 'when we rescued her. Thanks to Joel for sharing his expertise we have been able to successfully help her to get along with our other dogs and she is a sweet, loving, healthy pet. We continue to implement the things that Joel teaches and are working on some of the other issues she has. I don't know that we could have made the progress we have without Joel sharing his insight and skills. Thank You So Much for being willing to share all of your knowledge. I love your strait forward no messing around techniques. You are the Best trainer we have found.

[@User7688.--_]

Love your comment! You are so right.

[@jantaylor9711]

I rescued an 8 year old aggressive Shepherd/Rotty that definitely needed training. One of my trainers needed to be let go as he put my dog in bad situations. It's been 3 years and we've made great progress. We enjoy our walks and do not put him or others in unacceptable situations. Best of luck to the Malinois owners.

[@jeffk464]

Its easier just to not to get crazy dogs.

[@jantaylor9711]

@@jeffk464 FYI-It wasn't intentional. My first rescue and he was almost perfect in every way. He is protective. Hence, why I hired a trainer.

[@yuanaecho3707]

Hi Joel, love your channel. In case you don’t know this, there is in fact risk associated with tail docking (not sure about ears). It could *potentially* cause something called “phantom limb pain” because tail has bone structure. This can possibly happen to humans or animals whenever there is amputation. However, what you used for comparison, circumcision (only removing skin), is not equivalent to amputation such as tail docking at all. I don’t mean to bring discomfort to people who had their dogs’ ears or tail docked, and it’s not that all dogs with docked tails would experience phantom limb pain, but there is a risk associated with it just like risk with spaying/neutering. I just thought you might want to know :) Regardlessly, love your “unfiltered” comments on the podcast, it’s so fun listening you two and I learned a lot!

[@taylobiz6217]

I think Joel’s comparison to circumcision was accurate. Although it may not be exactly the same, such as the sensation of missing a limb, it can cause numerous other issues. Docking and circumcision are both done for aesthetic (most of the time), aren’t really necessary, and can even impair the function.

[@darcywearing4700]

Having a rescued Malinois as an inexperienced owner, it is hard as they are intense, but it's not impossible. I also own a Rottweiler, border collie mix, and a ratt terrier. They all have their own breed personalities and prod and cons. I am thrilled they brought him to you!!

[@Krapvag]

I was able to seek out an experienced local trainer. I was in same situation and found search and rescue training place who were able to give me instructions on daily schedule (my main issue was actually over exercising the dog)

[@darcywearing4700]

@Krapvag same. She needs soo much more than my others

[@SuziQ.]

@@Krapvag, How much exercise was “over exercising”? We’re doing more, but shorter sessions. That makes her tired enough to focus on training, but not too tired.

[@Krapvag]

@@SuziQ. 3+ hours a day along with ball chasing. Ends up over stimulated and kind of but doesn't really listen as a result, way too focused on everywhere else. Doing scent training, and breaking up the exercise into smaller bursts, and just getting the dog to be focussed. Still got a way to go, but definitely improving. Gonna do agility training later on

[@jeffk464]

Tail docking goes through a major bundle of nerves and part of the backbone. Tail docking is kind of like taking clippers to your new born baby and cutting their pinky off. Ear docking, circumcision not so much. My Aussie is docked, but I didn't want it, breeders just tend to do it. early neutering is catastrophic to dog's health, at least weight until they are full grown.

[@AhsokaJackson]

Yeah, I'm always struck when I see skeletal displays of cats and dogs, because it's a stark reminder of how the tail extends directly from the spine. That's also something that's come up in books, regarding why dogs and cats find it so objectionable when kids do the classic misstep of pulling on their tails-it's not akin to simply pulling on someone's arm or leg; you're basically pulling right on their spine itself and it's a very unpleasant thing to do to them. This also brings to mind the whole declawing thing with cats, and how it's not simply like removing a fingernail (though even for humans that's bad enough. Trimming is one thing, but a complete removal-eesh!). The procedure is instead more equivalent to cutting off not only the nail but part of the actual finger along with it.

[@cheryl5407]

I have had several mini schnauzers, I will always crop the ears, reason being the must be groomed and that includes plucking hair from their ears and if the dogs ears are floppy and the hair is not removed on a regular basis they will be prone to infection. I just find it easier to crop and pluck to avoid bacteria and ear infections which are not pleasant for the dog either. I have never had a dog traumatized from it, you must take the cropping seriously and make sure the puppy doesn’t mess with them until healed which is 2 weeks so I take off work the 1st week for care purposes, the extra attention let’s them focus on you and not tape on their ears, never any issues, my dogs are happy confident dogs, if anything I think it’s a great bonding experience to spend that 1 on 1 time for that week. Just my personal experience and preference .

[@lesleysears9808]

As a nurse, I only think of what is the complication rate of infection or botched ear cropping etc. Pain and stress of these surgeries is in question. Seems that for most dogs do ok being cropped for human vanity.

[@romancewriter6296]

I love that you stand for your clients. Too many people are vocal about too many things they don't understand. Any dog owner who comes to you for help deserve respect, not judgement. I have 3 dogs, 2 of them rescues: one is a Pyrenee mix and an absolute gem, best and steadiest dog ever. Only issue with her is she's a living sofa and believes the world owes her a hug The other one was and still is a real challenge. He's a backyard-bred GSD and the most nervous dog I ever owned. Plenty of health issues, tore of his ACL last year and has a jaw that doesn't really close right. This is what backyard breeding does: temperament and health issues that make a dog difficult to raise.

[@69acillatem]

I don’t see the point in shaming any of the people in the videos. At least those owners in the videos acknowledge that they need help. At the same time there are tons of people that just accept all kinds of misbehaviour from their dogs and mask it as «cute craziness» and such. If you need to shame someone, shame them.

[@wagbjorn]

Respect for anyone that gets a rescue dog and saves them. I ve seen a couple of times that people don’t know what they’re possibly signing up for. But going through the troubles of owning such a dog and going all the way just deserves respect. Especially if the owners do everything possible to help the dog (e.g. seeking (expensive) help and investing the effort).

[@seantarbell3088]

Hey guys love your show. I thought I'd add a little information from a lifelong bird dog trainer. Bird dogs like a GSP with a hyperactive tail can cause major damage to their tail while hunting around cactus and Thorn bushes. I believe that's why people started docking tails on hunting dogs.

[@Anon_E_Muss]

That's correct. It has a purpose.

[@amyb.6368]

Same with dobermans - aside from the utility of it not being grabbed in a fight, their tail is very thin naturally, easily broken - one of my friends' dogs broke it just wagging it at the wall too hard! It's really difficult to fix a broken tail too, because they just... can't stop... the wagging! 😂

[@jeffk464]

@@amyb.6368 The problem then was breeding bad traits into the breed. Its kind of like how french bull dogs and pugs have problems because the smashed in face. Well they shouldn't have bred the face like that. My theory is the husky is the physical form nature intended for dogs. We should have bred dogs for tasks/jobs without getting to far away from that form. It seems like every breed that has gotten far off from that has health problems. Now before everyone races out and gets huskies, they aren't the easiest.

[@gerdberg4188]

My son's job was to take the bucket to the compost pile across the yard . Started when he was about three . And sometime ooh it got dark first cause he had not done it , but , had to go anyway . I think he learned something valuable . He is really good at his job , and has the ability to outwork just about anyone he works with . He foreman’s a landscaping crew at this time .

[@kurtwagner4663]

In my country cropping ears and docking tails is outlawed. In the whole country. Tail docking is only allowed for medical purposes like tail necrosis. Ear cropping is banned no exception. I do like the look of cropped ears. I would lie if I say I think it looks stupid or bad or whatever. But the law says no animal is allowed to be put under surgery solely for aesthetic reasons. But I don't judge people with cropped/docked dogs, cause I don't know the back story to it like if the dog did had necrosis or if they rescued the dog and the owner before did it. I don't know it so it's not my place to judge. I too own a breed thats used to be cropped and docked for breeding standards. He isn't and even if it wasn't banned I probably won't do it as it serves no other purpose than ascetics. But thats just me. Also, gentle leader was ground breaking for my first dogs reactivness.

[@John-lo4xz]

Love tuning into these while my pup is sleeping. Thanks for the podcast guys! Edit: Regarding herding dog, I believe Cesar Millan had an episode on his show where the owner had a herding dog. They came to some agreement with a farmer (if I remember correctly), where the dog got an outlet for the herding. - It might have been just for show, to get something interesting out of the episode. Also my cousin who lives on a farm where they had sheep had a border collie. The dog would only herd sheep, although that dog herded on command.

[@torihaisha5497]

Joel 💯 right to question circumcision! Thank you!!

[@John-lo4xz]

Yes very rare to see an american taking a stance, but what else can you expect from a guy like Joel!

[@user-vg8ox3he1i]

Agree!

[@PvtVallen]

He is but circumcision being bad doesnt make cropping / docking fine. Both are absolutely disgusting, abhorrent practices and if you do that to your dog for cosmetic reasons you are a piece of shit who should not be allowed to own a dog.

[@MrDynamart]

Another amazingly informative video, thanks guys. I took in what you said about nothing better than reading books and so I picked up a copy of 'dont shoot the dog' and 'the other end of the leash' I cannot recommend enough to your other subscribers the eye opening experience of reading these books. In conjunction with watching you and learning your methods, the insight to dog behaviour is incredible. Thanks again Joel, for doing what you are doing. There are so many trainers out there, very very few see the value in passing these skills on to us dog owners. 👍💪🐶♥️

[@BDTraining]

Thank you!

[@loenirons5114]

Is something I do is when I work with someone's dog, I work with the owner and give them the proper tools (knowledge)to be successful with their dog. I follow a few other trainers such as Joel, Ivan Balabanov, Mary Ray and a cpl others as one can always learn something new.

[@lindseypantuso21]

Your videos have really improved my relationship with my puppy, especially in understanding how to communicate in giving information through thoughtful and consistent corrections. I think it would be really insightful to hear how you correct and treat smaller dogs and their specific bad habits versus bigger dogs. I’ve also noticed that smaller dogs get more of a pass in bad behavior due to their size and cuteness - would love to hear your insights on those types of owners. Keep up the podcasts, these are fantastic!

[@yeehawjeehaw]

My dog has genetic fear, many local dogs in Malaysia do. It is very hard and I've spent so much on her training to increase her confidence. Improvements have happened so slowly over a year but one thing that I follow to heart other than Joel saying to "use what helps the dog" (which in her case was other dogs), was Dog Daddy saying in one of his videos "[The dog] is too scared to make a decision, so I will make the correct decision for her as her guardian," and now we can walk past new people without her trying to pull and dart away.

[@georgeanddaddecker7563]

What breed? Does Malaysia have the same quarantine rules that Singapore does? I would like to visit my old home in Singapore but the quarantine is like two weeks. I am coming from the US.

[@yeehawjeehaw]

@@georgeanddaddecker7563 You can google Malaysian Mix or the Telomian. & yes quarantine is about 2 weeks

[@cynthiaweber1646]

Prince is like a hard core counselor that is applying behavioral therapy on the other dogs. Hehehe. he is awesome. ❤

[@NotFalling4it]

Time stamps would be great. Loving these podcasts.

[@gerdberg4188]

Dobermans with tails and floppy ears just are not fearsome !!! They are cute !!

[@SuziQ.]

My favorite Dobie had natural ears and tail. He was an awesome dog. I’ll never forget him, and he was a friend’s dog, not mine.

[@willbrink]

Mals are a terrible choice for most people. I know the trainer who trains Mals for special operations, high level protection, SWAT teams, etc. They cost 90K per dog, and he told me Mals were not for most people, period. He said he would never leave his kids with a Mal. Research the damn breed before getting one. Does not apply to people who rescue a dog and really want to take the time to work with the breed, are to be commended. That they pay for top quality training via Joel etc, are the best dog parents we could ask for. True story.

[@kimberlyann9327]

Agreed that most people should know more about the breeds - in addition to paying attention to personalities within the breed, which I believe is equally important. The breed standard is really just a starting point. And to be fair, most of us all started out getting a dog and probably not knowing as much as we should have going into it. We personally have Dobermans, Dachshunds, Malinois and Collies/English Shepards. I've also owned Chihuahuas, Beagles and Pitties. Honestly, our current Mal is pretty chill as far as Mals go. She does typical Mal things and is an awesome working dog, but she's been super easy to work with and is amazing with our young girls. Our current Mal is 6 months and is great with our young daughter. I would never leave ANY dog with my child until they are well trained and proven. But I will absolutely leave our Mal with our daughter when the Mal is grown and trained. Our local K9 Mals that we know are amazing with kids as well and live with families after their service. So - there also has to be a variance for personalities and drive as well. I would expect that not all Mals meet the requirement of working with the Special Forces and while maybe the trainer you know has dogs who aren't suited to be left with children there is no way all Mals (some of which are raised from birth with families) are an inappropriate choice for everyone. For reference, I also believe that in general most people shouldn't own beagles because they often have no idea what they are getting into. I really wish shelters did a better job of educating new owners about the breeds and personalities, but honestly they are short on resources, training and are just trying to save dogs. It's an incredibly difficult ask and I'd like to think that most people and rescues are doing the best they can. I always appreciate people/owners when they educate themselves and put in the effort - no matter when they do it. Better late than never!

[@gixxnrocket]

Holy crap!!! Joel --> You Are Awesome! @21:30 For someone in the dog/pet training/care whatever industry you just said the quiet part out loud. Mind blown!!! Thank you. Yes!! 1000% You got to meet our doby and boxer on a kahoots trip. The both came to use docked (not cropped) and honestly if our next pup (of appropriate breed) comes from a breeder I would not hesitate to dock the tail. I could go either way on the ears though.

[@kalibarpr144]

I think they did an experiment with domesticating foxes and a couple of generations into selecting for friendly, milder traits suitable for pets, the fox's ears also starting flopping. So whatever genetics is associated with the "friendliness" might have to do with floppy ears. Just thought that was a really interesting experiment!

[@jddmmabbott]

When my mom worked at animal control they told her the 1st day that dogs with naturally pricked ears are never to be fully trusted.

[@mollie.howe33]

Wow I NEVER thought of the comparison of spay/neuter with docking/cropping. Very good point. Loving the podcasts.

[@vikingdogmanship]

In norway spaying, neutering, cropping and docking is illegal unless there are a medical issue

[@angelinacamacho8575]

to me its like apples and oranges. one is being done so the dog looks cool the other is being done as a way to prevent unwanted puppies from ending up on streets.

[@bluntmuffin1729]

Cropping ears and docking tails is vital for many working dogs and I fully support it for those situations. Family dogs are a totally different story. People who don’t understand the details should listen and learn rather than banging on about things they don’t understand.

[@sahreeyurblu]

Name suggestion for the pod fans: The PodPack... Pod covers not only podcast, but a group of whales is a pod, and of course "pack" for the dogs or wolves, It reminds me of the shadow in Joel's logo.

[@squoctopus]

I was thinking "Beckmaniacs" but yours is better😃

[@alliboogaloo]

In sheep, tail docking is super common. It prevents fly strike, the same as shearing a sheep helps. Maggots eat you alive or you dock a tail at birth with a band and get a haircut. Working dogs with fragile tails in a working situation (hunting, ratting etc.) can be a liability or result in broken tails. My spaniel had a docked tail at the point where it changed from thick to pencil lead thin. We hunted the woods and he had a bushy tail that would have been caught in the brush (hunt over) and broken in all likelihood.

[@austyn5004]

Exactly why my cattle dogs tails were cropped. They’re working line dogs and come from a ranch. The breeder told me that they docked them because the cattle can stomp on their tails, and it’s a huge traumatic liability. I do wish they had their tails tho. Cattle dog tails are so fluffy and cute

[@neonice]

Hence why everyone says it's bad for aesthetical reasons. Obviously it's understandable to do it for a reasonable purpose but to mutilate a dog only for looks is extremely wrong. Actually illegal by law where I'm from as well.

[@kashankirk]

If u dock a cattle dogs tail, its no longer a cattledog, and inferior at herding compared to an intact dog. Its also cruel and stupid reasoning which is completely incorrect and harmful.

[@Typhoonbladefist]

Sheep only benefit from sheering because we have selectively bred them to produce far more wool than what is normally healthy for them in the wild. It is a solution to a problem we created mainly for our betterment and it is, by definition, exploitative. We have also bred dogs for certain functions and then chose to physically alter their body for their safety for the function/problem we created. Some of the actions we take on the body of other animals are done to solve problems that we created for these animals, in the first place, simply to suit us. Yes, it’s obvious that dogs exhibit enjoyment out of fulfilling a role we create for them. Even humans find joy in work that they feel they are well suited for. That being said, there could be an ethical debate over the question of violating the bodily autonomy of an animal for “their own good”, however we must acknowledge that WE have created these problems for these animals in the first place. This even goes towards the question of spaying/neutering. I’m more of the opinion of letting animals be unless it harms the lives of ourselves or our family. Please don’t conflate something being good for the animal when we have made it bad for the animal in the first place.

[@dakota5815]

When my wife and & got our first dog we went to the greatest trainer ever (no offense Joel). We both had had outside dogs around while growing up, but our dog was our first house pet so we figured it'd be good to go to a class. I have no clue what the trainer's name was, but the first point made was that their job was to train the owners. In reality that's what Joel does in the videos by showing all the various dog behaviors & corrections (in the corporate world it's called "train the trainers" training). Understanding all the animal's cues comes with time & experience, but paying attention to your pet is the path to getting there.

[@cherylmillard2067]

In March of 2023, I adopted Maxine, a 14 m/o untrained Malinois, she had been previously adopted out twice and returned to the shelter twice at two and three days respectively. She has a three-bite history from a forced interaction right after going to a new home and a dog fight because the adopters left out a meat bone belonging to the resident dog, these instances were due to the ignorance of the people who first adopted her. Sure, she has issues, but most dogs have had issues and all dogs have needed training at some point in their lives. Bottom line is I won't fail her. She's doing amazing, we train 2 - 5 times a day in short sessions, even if it's working on an "out!", engagement exercises, or just putting in the repetitions. I've wanted a Malinois for 20 years at least, this year everything fell into place. My Malinois doesn't have a "job" although we're training for French Ring Brevet, if she doesn't work out, the training was invaluable, I also have a German Shorthaired Pointer who might do well in Ringsports as a blue dog. It's not that Malinois owners are the "be all end all" of dog handlers, we're sick of all the irresponsible backyard breeding, people buying or adopting Malinois without doing their research or asking themselves the hard questions prior to adopting or adopting a working line Malinois that has mannerisms and genetic traits that are above their skillset, then surrendering the dog. Pet quality relaxed Malinois do exist. Of the dogs in shelters, rescues, or re-homing situations; a select few are from European working lines, some are too high drive for the average household, there are sport dog candidates, and there are the pet quality Malinois. When choosing a puppy, one doesn't know how that pup will perform long-term even though it showed promise/potential in the beginning. Many of the dogs that ended up in a shelters or rescues were never given a chance because the breed was far too overwhelming in the beginning for the average person and they gave up too soon, some didn't work out as a working dog, back yard breeding and the others are there due to unfortunate circumstances.

[@JacobWohlClips]

My KNPV Malinois has gotten the Prince treatment from her Doberman older brother from day 1. It has helped her immensely. She's cool as a cucumber.

[@jonathanclark9976]

I have a lazy, low T malinois. As soon as she goes outside and pees, she wants to go inside because it's too hot, sprinkling rain, or just wants to go back to sleep. Not all malinois are created equal. Just because you put something in a garage, doesn't make it a car.

[@fetra54]

I have a black lab, who does love food, but has never been fat and has never eaten anything he's not allowed to, even when other dogs broke into a food bag, he stayed away. Every other lab I've seen is always chunky.

[@Babymercy8]

Dobermans have a gene that causes their tail to be naturally docked, which might be where docking for the Doberman standard originated

[@Luke_Tahoe]

Yo WHAT lmaoooo “My biology teacher was head butting people” I need a whole mini series on this 😂😂😂 Literally had to pause the podcast to laugh I almost got up and left the room 😂😂😂

[@daniellependock2554]

😂 I use a head halter. Most people here think it's a muzzle and avoid my dog thinking she is dangerous. She is a super fluffy collie who loves snuggles, but she is still not fully mature. Other people who don't avoid her make comments along the lines of. "Oh good a muzzled dog. They can't bite me now so I can be a public jerk" The shock horror on their faces when I demonstrate she can still bite while wearing the halter. 😂 priceless! Mt dog walks well on lead, but sometimes forgets. She is a large/tall collie and very strong. She has injured me before by lunging against the lead while just on a regular collar. Training still in progress! 🧡

[@Gabert711]

I have a 95 pound Giant Schnauzer and we use a gentle leader for him. 99% of the time, he’s fine on a leash. But WHAT IF he gets a bee in his bonnet and decides to take off? At 5’3”, there’s no chance of me hanging onto him if he decides to bolt. I see it as a safety measure. The harnesses are not cruel. The dogs can eat, drink, pant, bark, and give kisses. As far as I’m concerned they are way less cruel that spiked or choke collars. Just my opinion. I’m not making any assertions other than I know my dog is in no way suffering because of the head harness.

[@dakota5815]

You can get an attachment for the leash that the full (knotted) poop bag slides into. It'll actually hold three or four bags. That way there is no reason to leave a bag anywhere and "forget to pick it up" later.

[@mattbroshears4064]

I still wanna see Joel make a channel where we can send in shorts videos with a problem with our dog and see if we can get fast advice.

[@chelseag724]

Maybe he'd consider if they had a donation attached, good advice isn't free 😉

[@TimRHillard]

I've had half a dozen boxers in my life. All tail docked. But half the ears, half not. Guess what? The ones with docked ears never had ear problems. The floppy eared.dogs all had life long ear infection issues.

[@meetalexa5169]

I have a jobless Malinois who is the best and happiest little guy. He was HELL during puberty but that's kinda a given. A lot of firm and clear communication does the trick however. When it comes to Malinois - blame the breeders for ruining the breed by confusing arousal levels with drive and creating these insane dogs. I am done with other Mal owners acting like there's only ONE way to have a happy one. Goofy. Thank you for this Joel. :)

[@uncle_creepy2743]

Im guessing ppl doc and crop to make their dogs look tougher, and that thise oeople are suffering from low self esteem and are using their dog as a compensation mechanism. 😊

[@BradHutchings]

The tail docking of medium/large breeds that worked in bushes came about to prevent them from breaking their tails. It's a horrible injury, leads to terrible infection, and until fairly recently (a few decades) meant the dog would have to be put down. Tail docking is typically done by the breeder when the pups are a few days old. A rubber back is tightened over the docking site, and the tail falls off in a couple days. Pups don't notice it. Critics say that now, 500 tails are docked for every tail injury prevented. Fair point. These breeds as pets don't do the work they once did. But there is a reason for it. And ear cropping of floppy ear dogs. If you've ever had a dog that got repeated hematomas, you know the struggle. No-flap ear wrap is a recent invention to get your natural floppy ear dog through. But there was a reason why cropping became standard practice with many breeds. My boxer has a natural tail and ears. I'm happy she does. I'm happy for whatever choice you make for your dogs.

[@Flippokid]

I don't know about a job fixing nipping but I do know a working breed needs a job to be more fulfilled, get self esteem and confidence, and feel being needed. And sheep generally don't need to be nipped to be herded. From the American Kennel Club: "For example, the Border Collie is renowned for the ability to “give eye,” or stare down sheep to control their movement. They might occasionally nip a stubborn sheep, but that’s not usually part of their repertoire. Their predatory sequence tends to stop at chase. On the other hand, the Australian Cattle Dog is also known as the Blue Heeler because these dogs nip the heels of cattle as part of their herding strategy. For Heelers, the predatory sequence stops at grab/bite. Although herding has a very practical purpose for working dogs needing to move livestock, that same instinct can kick in inside the home. Dogs will express their herding drive with whatever is available, including other pets, kids, and even you. Since these hardwired instincts are triggered by movement, herding is usually not something your dog is doing just to get attention or to deliberately misbehave. Dogs aren’t confused about whether or not kids are sheep. And it’s doubtful your pant legs look like cow hooves. Dogs are simply doing what comes naturally when movement catches their eye. Of course, you can’t solve the problem by never moving around your dog. But, stay aware of reactions to the problem. For example, if your kids run away from the dog when the dog nips their feet, that will only trigger the behavior to continue." A rehearsal of a behavior is not a good way to teach a dog not to do something. In case of nipping, shock and awe is the absolute best thing to teach a dog that's unacceptable. From what I've seen with my dog chasing kids and toys, satiation doesn't matter because the rehearsal enhances the instinctual drive. The only thing that helped is practicing not to chase kids. If you teach an excellent leave it or come command through extractions with cattle, that's great. But that doesn't teach a dog not to chase kids, just to abort when they do. You have to put in the work near kids.

[@AnnJo24224]

When are you podcasts scheduled? I would like to ask you questions during live stream.

[@steelcitypoodle508]

If you have a breed with a brain, it's needs an ocupation but not necessary a job. My standard poodle needs work, mental and physical, and you notice her behaviour tank if she doesn't get those needs met. So her job is being my pet, and we compete at obdiance to give her something to think about. Agree with the malinoius critisism- unless you're trying to actually help STFU. The owners may have made a poor choice (time tell) , but those people are asking for help and prepared to put the time, money and work into fixing their problems- that's a GOOD owner.

[@romancewriter6296]

And to all those who are "vocal" about tail docking and ear cropping: yes, those are esthetic choices, just like circumcision of baby boys, ear piercing in girls, you name it. Adults make these choices for their children all the time and so do dog owners. spay/neuter is an elective surgery as well. The fact is, people who choose a dog breed do so for many factors including looks. Dedicated breeders of those breeds adhere to the standard and love their breed, thus follow the historical look of their breed. You can't love a breed and not want them to look like they are supposed to look. My dog has his ears cropped and my breeder took the entire litter over 12 hours away for his cropping because she trusted that specific vet to do the job right. It cost her about $1k per pup. It took a few weeks of care for the wound afterwards and then posting. Was it a lot of care? Yes. Because this is what it cost to have the look you want. Wounds need care. That dog is a show dog now, is a wonderful example of his breed and will produce other prime examples of said breed when he is used as a stud dog by his breeder in the near future. Anyone who loves animals and advocates for their welfare should focus on responsible dog ownership instead of harassing dedicate breeders. Those people do not contribute to the problem. Breeders of those dogs never allow them to go to shelters, they take them back. They screen puppy owners like crazy. They have very little fail rates and their dogs are cared for all their lives. Harassing them is like vegans harassing local farmers because they raise pastured lamb when factory farms are a hellscape of animal suffering and are left largely unscathed. They are just a smaller, easier target and it makes "animal advocates" feel better, but doesn't help in the smallest.

[@singlesightart]

I can’t speak for Mals, I’ve only met one in person who was an active police k9 and GSDs are my fav breed, but I definitely think the internet and its anonymity brings the worst out in people. A few years ago I posted a little video on TikTok of me meeting my current Seeing Eye dog, a GSD, because it was our anniversary and I wanted to. Now she was… overexcited, overstimulated (the dogs are bathed before we get them) and generally not making a great first impression. The video went semi viral and so many comments were people being frankly ignorant, enough so that I had to pin a comment thet explained thet wasn’t her normal behavior, she’s calmed down since etc. in fact I wouldn’t have been matched with her if they didn’t think I was capable of handling her, which I was and am. Internet people love to think they know things about all situations.

[@Judep4237]

You should swap seats so Joel sits on left of screen

[@ElizabethSeiden-lg6mj]

If my dog gets lonely and feels anxious from being abandoned as a puppy then should I give her mother dog like a Belgian Malinois for healing purposes, as well as recovering?

[@renefeindt1174]

Re: HERDING DOGS… As a herding person, I can say, if the dog isn’t needed as a herding dog, then don’t teach them. It will turn the drive on even more. You need to inhibit the drive instead and not let them rehearse the behavior. They don’t need to herd to be mentally sound or happy.

[@AnnJo24224]

After 4 hospital I birthed 5th child under shower with lights off. I dont know if it was different for him, but for me definitely was a big difference. Birthing is a lot mental thing, taking responsibility for own body with knowledge and harmony instead of being just like machine hooked and press to pop in hospital. I didnt know how much stressful birth in hospital was unitl I did at home. Avoiding all nonses just for paperwork after hard work is such a relif. I wish I knew about it before....

[@kingsqueak2221]

Dobies are so fast they can actually get hematomas in their ears, at times they need to be amputated, just from running and the impact of the flopping of the ears. For working in the field, the ears can get damaged on brush as well. They are knocked out completely and it's a surgical procedure. Done properly and cared for properly it is not a painful thing for them. My dog was cropped at 7wks, we picked her up at 8wks and the ears were 99% healed, no pain for the dog. It is however a pain in the neck to post the ears, which has to be done carefully so you don't harm the ears and you need to do it every three or four days for several months until the cartilage in the ears firm up in the straight/upright position. It is not painful for the dog unless you do it improperly (wrap too tightly), it's just an annoying thing. Having the ears up and open keeps ear infections away, makes it much easier to spot ticks and generally to clean them if needed. The tail docking is done when they are very young, as is dew claw removal. I prefer the tails docked simply so it's not whipping around smacking into things and frankly I like the overall breed standard appearance. I looked into this a lot and for this breed I do not consider this cruel.

[@lisaleondires9576]

I look forward to this podcast every week. I’m waiting for Joel to say “GERMAN SHEPARD people CHILL “ 😂😂😂

[@JunoAbby]

Love that Joel pointed out a dogs “job” can be literally anything. One of my dogs jobs is to “go get the mail.” We make a big ritual of it and I have her do a bunch of nonsense, but you’d think she just caught Bin Laden based on how proud she is when she’s done. I love that dogs are basically furry mercenaries that do anything to teach them to do.

[@ratchschleuczynski9821]

That's adorable

[@23iJayedU]

I'm with the deleting the hateful comments sentiment. My bf and I rescued two dogs in the past 2 years, we have yet to dna test them but we suspect our male is an APBT/Vizsla mix and our female a Staffordshire/Kelpie mix. The male came from the shelter after waiting 3 years for a home, the female was left abandoned chained up behind a house. She has some behavioral issues as well as aggression with certain triggers. How could we have known? She was starving to death when we found her and our first concern was saving her. That didn't mean we had no business owning her. People are stupid, delete their hateful comments. Keep up the good work, I appreciate your content.

[@ElizabethSeiden-lg6mj]

My neighbor stepped in horse poop and slipped on the trail!😻🦄🐾🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@DakotawolfManson]

My husband and I just rescued a Turkish kangal / Belgian Malinois mix. He is a year old. He is on 1000 allll the time. I’ve come to your channel to learn how I can combat some of his behaviors he already came with. He is an amazing animal he’s already calmed down some since having a stable home. Luckily we live out in the Midwest and not in a city anymore so it’s much more manageable for him. But everybody has an opinion…my grandpas always use to say “opinions are like assholes …everybody has got one” hahah keyboard warriors in this day in age are the worst, can only imagine.

[@strayandrongo7461]

Kelpies and Cattle Dogs dont have floppy ears, but they both have some dingo in them, so maybe they are closer to their wild ancestors. Another great podcast, thanks boys!

[@vikingdogmanship]

Dingoes, wolves and foxes all got tails too:)

[@AnnJo24224]

I heard the working dogs, especially cattle dogs they get tail shorten so they will not get tangled in any fence or anything Ike that during escaping from cattles. I heard sheep get flies infestation often under long tail. But I prefer dobies with ears and long tails.

[@vernonhess3842]

When they get to Joel, the dog owners already have the dog. Good for the owner for getting help training their dog.!

[@MrDynamart]

Gentle leaders.... Imagine trying to control a horse with a collar around its neck.....

[@alliboogaloo]

I am a shepherd and homesteader, not a professional herding dog trainer. Here is my anecdotal information to your question. There are two kinds of herding dogs: gathering and driving. I had driving types. My first was an austrailian cattle dog, she was super active and boistrous, not a nipper as a puppy. She was a chewer of toys and never put teeth on people until I started her on sheep. After the first time on sheep (not even getting to nip them), she was nipping heels on everyone in the house and my older dog. When you start herding dogs you put the sheep in a round fenced area and have the dog chase them learning the directional commands, in a safe space for both. There was a chillout time to play fetch and just walk off the adrenaline of training on sheep but when we went back inside she instantly went into herding mode on my wife and kids. I ended up putting her in her crate. She did the same thing later when I let her out of the crate. This went on for a couple weeks. Breaking her of nipping people just wasn't happening so I took away the sheep training for another couple weeks but the nipping just didn't stop. It was like a switch flipped that first time and I couldn't flip it back. We ended up rehoming her to a single owner home. My other herding dog was an Austrailian Shepherd/Setter mix. She was pretty well behaved with people and loved the kids. She went crazy when she first met the sheep. Her nipping on people never manifested hut she destroyed hundreds of dollars in shoes and furniture along with a metal crate. She got loose one morning and went after the sheep in the pasture (two fences were scaled and a 7k volt electric sheep net) and that was the end of her. By the time I had pulledbon my boots and gone to get her she was broken against a fence. My ram and his ewes (Shetland sheep are notorious for this it turns out) took care of the annoying dog nipping at them. I won't get a herding dog again, certainly not a physical herder like those. Nippers are gonna act out when their instinct turns on is what I learned from those two. I will stick to gundogs and terriers. Love your content.

[@nix0lol111]

if my dog is old and grumpy and each time she finds another dog barks at them, what should i do? how do i teach her to be nicer at an older age

[@tamsynfowlie1492]

You can train cats. When I was in high school and had time to waste on pointless activities I trained my cat to sit, lie down, roll over, spin in a circle, jump over my arm and beg. I also trained him to pose like my brothers tiger toy. I trained my Mum's cat to do some of those things too. It's not that difficult either. I didn't have any experience in training just read a book and gave it a go. Find something they like to use as a reward and start training.

[@kellerayra7363]

I’m a border collie nut. Love learning about the breed. I am only an expert on my own dog based on our relationship. He is NOT my identity. He’s a representative of my passions areas of interest. Have you ever watched KZbin videos of herding dogs in action? I watch the dogs told to back down for nipping at sheep. It’s amazing! IMO as a novice observer the relationship between the dog and owner plus focusing on the dogs natural skills with the proper intensity goes a long way towards the dog learning impulse control. I have a dog lays down automatically as his frisbee sails towards any pavement. His job is to round up a couple dozen toys around the house by name. Or slap my hand sit in my lap if I pull my hair out.

[@sethh3605]

Been binge listening to these over the last bit on my Google Podcast player. 😁 I'd love to hear Joel's thoughts on food and feeding your dog. I know this might be playing with fire since the raw vs kibble vs whatever else is a pretty fierce debate. But however much you want to delve into what/how you feed Prince would be cool. He's clearly healthy and fit so I'm interested in your thoughts, either for 2 minutes or 20. Side note, I don't think you need to apologize to the Amish anymore. I'm pretty sure the Amish aren't listening to or watching podcasts on their smart phones. 😂 Good stuff gentlemen, keep it up!

[@Chasenhaws]

There's a huge divide within the Australian Cattle Dog community on whether or not the dogs should be docked, specifically those that are working dogs. The idea is that working dogs risk having their tails stepped on and injured by livestock. After researching, this is the information I've found on the subject- Tail injuries are generally rare, with an incidence of 0.21 to 0.39% being reported in dog populations per year. In the largest study to date the incidence was 0.23%. It has been suggested that certain breeds of dogs, or dogs used for specific purposes, have a greater incidence of tail injury and that this justifies tail docking. However, the breeds having the greatest risk of tail injury are Lurchers, Whippets and Greyhounds (risk estimate 1.22%), and there has been no move to prophylactically dock these breeds. Other dog breeds that are not docked, such as Border Collies and Rough Collies, had a risk estimate of only 0.08%. Border collies are the most employed stock dogs in the world. Yet, docking their tails is practically unheard of. Interestingly, it's reported that working dogs (predominantly gundogs) were not at significantly greater risk of tail injury than non-working dogs, but dogs that were kenneled were at increased risk. It has also been suggested that accidental tail trauma to the adult dog causes more suffering than amputation early in life. However, puppies are rarely provided analgesia when their tails are docked and the short-and long-term negative effects of painful procedures in neonates of many species are well documented. It has not been demonstrated that dog breeds whose tails are traditionally docked have a significant risk of tail trauma that would justify the docking of their tails. Although tail docking may reduce the risk of tail injury, based on the most current data available, approximately 500 dogs need to be docked to prevent just one tail injury. The dog's tail was originally designed to assist in balance, keeping a running dog on course when he turns. When a dog is running and has to turn quickly he throws the front part of his body in the direction he wants to go. His back then bends but his forward velocity is such that his hind quarters will tend to continue in the original direction. Left unchecked, this movement might result in the dog's rear swinging widely which could greatly slow his rate of movement or even cause the dog to topple over as he tries to make a high speed turn. Throwing his tail in the same direction that his body is turning serves as a sort of counter weight which reduces the tendency to spin off course...Seems like this would be incredibly useful for a working Australian Cattle Dog, if you ask me! Dogs also use their tails for balance when walking along narrow surfaces, much the same way that a circus tightrope walker uses his balance bar. For most breeds of dogs the tail is easily seen and serves as a sort of signal flag that communicates information about the animal's emotional state. A number of breeds, such as the Beagle, even have tails with a white tip to help increase their visibility. The Australian Cattle Dog also falls in this category, as they are known for having tails that have a lighter brush compared to the rest of their bodies. This allowed stockman to know the whereabouts of their dogs, even while working at night. Variables such as how high the dog carries his tail, how quickly the dog is moving his tail, and even whether the tail is being wagged more to the left or right side of the body can convey a lot of information about how the dog is feeling, his mood, and even his intentions. Dogs with very short tails, either because of the nature of their breed (for example the French Bulldog is born with a little stump of a tail about one inch in length) or because their tails have been docked, cannot communicate as well; such dogs often have difficulties interacting with other canines. One study found that male dogs with stumpy/docked tails were 5x as likely to get into negative alterations with other dogs. And another study from University of Victoria found that dogs with docked tails exhibit more aggressive behavior than their undocked counterparts. Other negative impacts of tail docking in puppies also need to be considered. These include long-term loss or impairment of the following tail-related functions in some dogs: stabilising of the vertebral column and supporting the actions of back muscles; roles in successful and hygienic defecation thereby minimising rectal dilatation, rectal sacculation and fecal incontinence; maintenance of pelvic diaphragm integrity by minimising the risk of perineal hernia; and in females of large breeds, reducing their predisposition to urinary incontinence. The most common health problems seen after tail amputation include traumatic neuroma development, long-lasting tail stump hypersensitivity, and altered expression of genes associated with inflammation and neuropathic pain.

[@watchmoivies123]

The towels have a purpose they’re used for balance. When you dock a tail the dog does not have the balance it should have and the ear cropping is painful. I don’t want to put a dog through that if we don’t have to just for the way it looks or for the standard of the breed look in other countries they have down here is an long tails and they’re absolutely gorgeous.

[@kristinwebster2031]

Thanks for reading my comment from last week. I do not teach at Harvard. Sorry for that disappointment. 😂 I teach at a small college in southern Georgia. I also use The Office clip you mentioned in my classes. It’s great.

[@ericaziola7018]

Tail docking and ear croping isn't allowed where those dog breeds are from.

[@yvonnechater6337]

You both have so much fun ❤ so honest ❤

[@User7688.--_]

What color was your Toyota MR2 Spyder? We have a yellow 2005, last year they made them, MR2. My husband drives it every day-a fun little convertible.

[@Christopher-vf6kx]

To answer the question - herding dogs need to get an outlet for their bred behavior AND need to be trained when its acceptable and when it is not acceptable to do so. Just as when they can bark and when they cannot, chase or not chase, bite or not bite. It's what they understand and like any animal, when highly frustrated, have trouble learning.

[@Christopher-vf6kx]

No. I am no expert.

[@Scraggledust]

Sooooo hot. It has been 110+ for nearly a week. (This is in my view, the #1 channel on dog training.) My dogs are “depressed” due to the extreme heat. We have to play at night. Your videos have helped me train my wild rescue!!! I can’t express my sincere gratitude enough! My dog is 16 breeds. (Shelter did DNA. Oddly, they didn’t show me the list) [She is the profile pic.] None are dominant. She has natural herding instincts, hunting instincts, and really puts the energy of malinois to shame. (Owned a malinois mix before. An amazing animal) She jumps incredibly high and runs incredibly fast. But, she’s a true wild spirit. I have to use a gentle lead (Ty, btw. For sharing the gentle leads) to walk her. Her ‘job’ is being a dog and eating and keeping insects off us and sighting birds…in the yard. Lots and lots of play. Now, she’ll throw me the ball, and we play catch. So fun! She’ll play fetch for hours. She has an incredible gait. Show dog prance, and it is her natural gait. She is loyal and stays by my side. I don’t do any modifications to my rescues. I don’t hate on those that do. It is a choice and nothing wrong with it. I don’t do “brand name dogs”. I’ve only ever raised mix breed rescues and my life has been full of unconditional love and incredible intelligence. Prince is a gorgeous animal outside and inside. Hard work too. Support your shelters, local dog breeders that only do one litter at a time, and not puppy farms

[@SuziQ.]

Hi, When it’s too hot outside, or just because, we play fetch in the house. I set up the family room/kitchen area for ball fetch. I hope this helps in the heat.

[@Sharibaby80]

Love this and she's SO cute! I rescued all mine I currently have two shepherd mixes and my recent girl looked like a Carolina dog initially but as she filled out she's prob just a shepherd/yellow lab. Shepherd head with lab color body. Very fast.

[@alseyb5198]

Have to agree, pugs are the best family dogs. Great personality for kids, everyone loved our pug.

[@suzeforsyth1560]

My first dog i was given by a woman who couldn't cope in 1992. She was Belgian Tervuren. My Kia 😊 Love your podcasts.

[@TheTegutegu]

I've trained herding and hunting dogs, is more training appropriate targets over rehearsal of behavior. For example I trained heelers to herd cattle, often times when the dog is young and still learning usually under 2 years old they would test out herding other animals over the target animal. If the dog was doing any form of herding behavior toward noncattle it was corrected, usually a strong no or a leash pop, immediately. Same goes for the hunting dogs, cats and chickens were not targets and any form of hunting behavior towards them was corrected from the start. I always trained them to herd or hunt via a command so that their was no confusion on when they can perform these behaviors. What I have seen personally with dogs that are doing inappropriate behaviors is the owners often times don't see the signs that the dog is doing something wrong or find it cute when the dog is young and as it grows up the cute wears off and now its a huge problem. I am currently helping an acquaintance with their vizla that was attacking/hunting their cats. The dog had starting chasing and stalking the cats at 7 months old and they thought it was funny since the cats would just jump up higher that the puppy could react but at a year and a half old the dog had finally gotten a hold of a cat and they had to rush it to the vet. I have only work with this dog a month mainly with operant conditioning of if you stay relaxed around the cat on leash lots of praise and treats but any focus on the cats is a correcting leash pop. The dog is not allowed around the cats unattended and is placed in a crate in a closed room when they can not watch the dog. I also have them using a flirt pole with a rope toy attached so the dog has an appropriate hunting target and a command to hunt that target. I also have them place the flirt pole in an area away from the cats and apply scents like beef to it so it will not be associated with the cats in any form.

[@bjbumblebee5324]

I always wondered if botched tail cropping could cause phantom pain disorder just like when people have fingers and limbs amputated improperly. Any idea?

[@nightswingblue6394]

Never had a scottish terrier miss there dew claws. You take them in at 3 days old. Same with tail on other dogs. Taking in to account they cannot wag their tails or use their dew claws in the 63 days gestation. They have only had them 3 days. Not enough time for the body to miss them.

[@nightswingblue6394]

I dont know about improperly. But even vets can make mistakes then its up to the breeder to bring back to vet to have them fix the same day if possible.

[@Gabert711]

@@nightswingblue6394 What? Because the puppy is little it won’t know to miss its tail? Maybe, but why remove any body part for simply cosmetic reasons (most of the time), when there is pain and the potential for infection or incorrect healing? How would people react if people started chopping off newborn babies earlobes? Or pinky toes? They won’t miss them, they’re newborns. They’re not used to their bodies yet, right? Therefore, we should be ok with it?

[@nightswingblue6394]

Ok, dont look now but they chop forskins off newborn male babies every day. It comes with a risk of infection and improper healing. If they had extra toes they also would remove those too. As for earlobes many babys have their ears pierced. And no i dont think they remember it or miss it.

[@romancewriter6296]

It needs to be done before myelination, which is the maturation of the nerve cells. This totally prevents the phantom limb pain disorder and is the reason why tail docking is done so early, much earlier than ear cropping. My mom is a veterinarian and I assisted in many, many tail docking when I was young. Puppies were about 3 days old then. She didn't do ear cropping, but the reason they have to be done early is because the cartilage needs to be immature. Cartilage mature after teething and it's too late then. My dog has ears cropped and I had to post for about 2 weeks, then the cartilage matured naturally erect. One week for the wound to heal (yes, it's an elective surgery and it's totally for the look, so I don't argue it's unescessary) and then I posted for one week. Massage the ears daily and they are perfect now. We just won Best of Breed and 3rd in group our first dog show 3 weeks ago, so he's pretty beautiful and his ears are perfect.

[@baylamakarov8701]

even trainers dogs can develope problem behaviors. And many trainers don't have all the answers, but their experience allows them to trouble shoot pretty quickly and effectively. So no hate on people that are putting the effort to fix their dogs so that they can live better lives together. Most people don't know what they don't know. These are not ethical dilemas about weather they should have gotten the dog. Hes their dog and hes there to stay, so they're gonna put the effort and make it work.

[@ElizabethSeiden-lg6mj]

Paris Hilton’s oldest son has a cone head caused by a birth defect. I used to think that she was cute with her adorable chihuahuas but now I love Pitt Bulls and Belgian Malinois!

[@kingsqueak2221]

With the SM7B mic, if you set the boom so the mic can be at the corner of your mouth coming from your side, fairly close, like 2" and at about a 45 deg angle to your mouth, talk across the mic instead of into it and you'll be good to go. Also the whole mic isn't as much in your face, it's just coming in from the side. They work best up close.

[@uncle_creepy2743]

As a dutchie owner, I get no respect from malinois owners

[@Random_Handle_]

Subjective experience, so take it as you will. My Mal loves to shred things. I channel that into destroying amazon boxes, cardboard egg cartons, and old plush toys that I specifically hand to her to go ham on. She has never destroyed any of my furniture or belongings. She also loves to chase and grab. We do lure courses, bite work, and daily training. She has been consistently corrected when locking in on animals. Today, she will walk calmly past squirrels, rabbits, etc. She notices them, but she knows it's not allowed. I am clear and consistent. She knows when chasing, grabbing, and destruction are appropriate, and when they are not. As an individual, she has excellent discernment. Maybe not all dogs or all Mals can do that, but giving her an outlet for genetic fulfillment has worked for us. I am sure that I will recieve flack from those who this hasn't worked out for, and that's fair. But ultimately, you have to train and manage the dog in front of you. Not every tool, strategy, or decision is a perfect fit for every animal.

[@ResonantFrequency]

I don't know if it doesn't work for less intelligent dogs but I assume it would work for the majority of dogs. My border collie at the age of 5 months understood the command "get a toy" when it was playtime and even though she constantly chose different toys, she always brings one of her toys and nothing else, demonstrating that she understood that there was a category of objects she was allowed to play with and chew on. I'm convinced that majority of dogs can be taught that discernment and likewise despite having free roam of the house for most of her life my dog hasn't chewed the walls or furniture either.

[@gaileverett]

The magic words are "clear and consistent." So many people are not. They may think they are, but they're not. Or they think 90-95% consistency is the same as 100%, but it's not.