Beamforming directivity [Part 1, Fundamentals of mmWave communication]

  Рет қаралды 14,316

Wireless Future

Wireless Future

Күн бұрын

Пікірлер: 49
@fotockrobert6009
@fotockrobert6009 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video!🥳👍 Your presentation was very clear and easy to follow. The way you connect theory to practice is impressive and highly educational. Thank you, Professor, for sharing your expertise with us in such an engaging manner. Your video has been an invaluable resource for me.
@shankarjoshi5840
@shankarjoshi5840 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video and easy to understand. Please keep posting time and again
@poopa9241
@poopa9241 Жыл бұрын
Great video, short but comprehensive! Looking forward to the next videos on this topic 😊
@WaelMuhammed
@WaelMuhammed Жыл бұрын
You are very grate Professor. Your explanation is very clear and easy for understanding.
@kozhenidres314
@kozhenidres314 Жыл бұрын
there will not be better visualisation for beamfoarming than this ❤
@athulshaji1754
@athulshaji1754 Жыл бұрын
This video is an excellent and easy-to-understand presentation of concepts. Thank you.
@ozlemtugfedemir
@ozlemtugfedemir Жыл бұрын
Very nice experiment with a fantastic presentation!
@AbdulUofG
@AbdulUofG Жыл бұрын
Very nice demo. I am Looking forward to see (in coming videos hopefully) that how "Gain" of the (say) receiving antenna will be measured in this setup, where total power is received separately at the receiver side.
@elmehdiilli4445
@elmehdiilli4445 Жыл бұрын
Quite insightful professor Emil. Was waiting for it :)
@jasminnadic2103
@jasminnadic2103 Жыл бұрын
Thanks, when we turn on just one antenna and get 9 dBi - we can assume with all 4 antennas on, we get 9 + 9 + 9 + o = 32 dBi with all antennas? Is that right? But here you obsereved, that isn't the case here. Correct?
@WirelessFuture
@WirelessFuture Жыл бұрын
No, one can only add up gains like that in linear scale. 9 dBi = 8 times gain compared to isotropic antenna. 8*4 = 32 times gain = 15 dBi. One can also compute it directly as 9 + 10*log10(4) = 15 dBi.
@gamer4vr638
@gamer4vr638 Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to more of these.
@abdullahqayyum4917
@abdullahqayyum4917 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Very easy to follow.
@MrMadrid1984
@MrMadrid1984 Жыл бұрын
looking forward for the other parts of the experiment
@TarunaChaudhary-n2j
@TarunaChaudhary-n2j 7 ай бұрын
Amazing explanation
@majumderhaider7949
@majumderhaider7949 Жыл бұрын
excellent description
@erfankhordad9403
@erfankhordad9403 8 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot for the video. One quick question, there are 4 channels. Is a channel the same as one RF chain? and are there 4 RF chains? as far as I know each column has one amplitude and phase controller that's why I think (perhaps I am wrong) each column is corresponding to one RF chain. Thanks
@WirelessFuture
@WirelessFuture 8 ай бұрын
The analog beamforming architecture challenges the notion of “RF chain”. We generate one RF signal, which is then divided into 4 branches where it is amplified and phase-shifted independently and then sent over an “antenna” (consisting of 4 vertically stacked radiating elements). A traditional RF chain would connect the baseband to an antenna. There are not 4 full RF chains here. The setup here is also known as a phased array
@knutlohmann8205
@knutlohmann8205 Жыл бұрын
Thanks, the sheets values differs from your practical observation. Are there any information about the gain of a signal element (one of the 16). You said with one antenna switched on, we have 9 dBi. Can i now conclude that one element has 9 dBi/4 ~ 2.25 dBi in your experiment?
@WirelessFuture
@WirelessFuture Жыл бұрын
According to the documentation, the entire 16-element array has a gain of 15 dBi. The gain of one column is 15-10*log10(4) = 9 dBI and the gain per element is 15 - 10*log10(16) ≈ 3 dBi.
@Zh-vo5hc
@Zh-vo5hc Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video! I have two general questions about the link budget. Firstly, are we supposed to add a different combining gain on the uplink link budget for different combiners (eg. mmse or mr)? Secondly, are we supposed to add an interference margin to the link budget for a mu-mimo system? If so, how do we quantify these values(combining gains and interference margin)?
@WirelessFuture
@WirelessFuture Жыл бұрын
Yes, if there is interference so that MMSE≠MR, then the MMSE combiner will reduce the SNR to improve the SINR. The detailed modeling of this is described in my video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZOcY6OIgc9jmZYfeature=shared The preferred way is to compute the SINR and optimize it instead of the SNR. It is only when there is unknown interference that one might need to include an “interference margin” to account for the worst case interference. Note that we must know the channels to apply MMSE combining, so whenever it is used, we can also compute the SINR.
@Zh-vo5hc
@Zh-vo5hc Жыл бұрын
@@WirelessFuture Thanks for your reply. Can I ask another question : When we plan a network, we calculate the link budget based on the minimum required SINR for maximum available path loss. In this context, is the sinr calculated based on signal before combining or after a specific combining scheme?Thanks!
@WirelessFuture
@WirelessFuture Жыл бұрын
​@@Zh-vo5hc In practice, coverage is the same as being able to decode the broadcasted downlink system information from the base station (e.g., SSB), and reach the base station with a random-access request (on the PRACH). There is no interference at this point, but there might be a beamforming scheme. The problem is that the transmitter/receiver might not have channel state information, which is why beam-sweeping methods or space-time codes are sometimes used to obtain diversity or beamforming gains that improve the coverage.
@niravpatel3961
@niravpatel3961 10 күн бұрын
what is the price of this kit?
@WirelessFuture
@WirelessFuture 8 күн бұрын
I don’t think there is a public price on their website, but you can reach out to TMYTEK to get a quotation: tmytek.com/solutions/mmwave-kits-for-educational-development
@AndreySheleg
@AndreySheleg Жыл бұрын
On the two channels you found a comparative gain of 4.5(=3+1.5)dB instead of 6(=3+3)dB. However, they made an inaccurate conclusion about the reason for the decrease in gain. More correctly, for example 4.5(=2.7+2.8). This is due to the non-identity of the directivity characteristics of the antenna elements for the selected wave polarization, the inaccurate correspondence of the horizontal distance between the antenna elements to the selected wavelength, and also to the "near zone" effect. By the way, as you may have noticed, the real maximum of the antenna element directivity in the horizontal and vertical planes differs from the normal to the antenna plane.
@WirelessFuture
@WirelessFuture Жыл бұрын
There are indeed other RF effects that contribute to the observed gain variations, such as the ones that you mention, mutual coupling, and the fact that the measurements weren't made in an anechoic chamber. However, I obtained roughly the same gain variations when replacing the antennas with cables, so I'm convinced that my conclusions are correct. By the way, the Fraunhofer distance is less than 20 cm in this setup, and all measurements that you will see in this video series were done beyond 30 cm. So I believe the near-field effects are negligible.
@AndreySheleg
@AndreySheleg Жыл бұрын
@@WirelessFuture Yes, of course, reflections from surrounding objects affect the resulting received power. But they can affect both "plus" and "minus". By the way, it would be interesting if you set up such an experiment. However, regarding the interconnection effect you mentioned, I disagree. This connection is only caused by the fact that there is another antenna nearby. And it doesn't matter if this second antenna radiates or not. The main thing is that in both cases it should be impedance matched. So, for example, in real antenna arrays, to ensure maximum identity of the directional characteristics of the peripheral and internal antenna elements, additional matched "passive" antenna elements are used that "surround" the main antenna array. And yet, did you find the deviation of the maximum directivity of the antenna from the normal to the surface of the emitting antenna?
@WirelessFuture
@WirelessFuture Жыл бұрын
I have made plenty of other measurements, and the most informative ones (from a teaching perspective) will be presented in the next four parts of this video series. Yes, I have characterized the radiation pattern with one, two, and four antennas. In the single-antenna case, the maximum directivity was indeed observed a few degrees from the normal, but the difference was only ~0.2 dB.
@AbdulUofG
@AbdulUofG Жыл бұрын
@Andrey Sheleg the real maximum of the antenna element directivity in the horizontal and vertical planes differs from the normal to the antenna plane, I think it is due to series-fed array topology. What do you say about it?
@AndreySheleg
@AndreySheleg Жыл бұрын
@@AbdulUofG The effect of the asymmetry of the directivity characteristic (and, as a result, the deviation of the radiation maximum from the normal) is easier to understand on a simple example of a single rectangular patch element. Since it is impossible to avoid the asymmetry of the power supply of this element (at least in the E-plane), there is a difference in the amplitudes of the electric field at the opposite edges of the patch. The reason for this is the losses in the dielectric and in the metal (for heating and for scattering in inhomogeneities and roughness).
@johnaweiss
@johnaweiss Жыл бұрын
A single element within a column is directed mechanically toward the receive antenna, to improve directivity toward the receiving antenna by 3 db better than an isotropic antenna. Correct?
@WirelessFuture
@WirelessFuture Жыл бұрын
Yes!
@ahdhs6827
@ahdhs6827 11 ай бұрын
What will happen if you have two three users while the Base station sends a one beam?
@WirelessFuture
@WirelessFuture 11 ай бұрын
The users will have to take turns. You can point the beam towards one user at a time. If one beam is wide enough to cover multiple users, these users can be served at the same time but using different frequencies.
@siddharthabhakta3261
@siddharthabhakta3261 Жыл бұрын
Does this equipment have 5G Physical Layer+RF?
@WirelessFuture
@WirelessFuture Жыл бұрын
No, it just sends a sinusoid at the specified frequency and measures the signal strength at the receiver. If you want to send actual 5G-like waveforms and demodulate them at the receiver, you need a more complicated setup. However, I believe that TMYTEK has some other products for that.
@Wireless-AI
@Wireless-AI Жыл бұрын
After watching the video, I want to say thank you for sharing this informative content. I do have a question, though. Does the device only measure received power? While it's true that the received power increases as the number of channels increases from 1 to 4, I wonder if this also leads to an increase in the decoding complexity at the receiving end.
@AndreySheleg
@AndreySheleg Жыл бұрын
In this case, this can lead to an increase in the complexity of decoding and even to the impossibility of decoding at information transmission frequencies of 10 gigabits per second and higher (for one polarization). That is, when the duration of the symbol approaches the wavelength of the carrier wave. But such short pulses physically cannot be effectively emitted and received even by single antennas.
@WirelessFuture
@WirelessFuture Жыл бұрын
The supported data rate is approximately “bandwidth*log2(1+signal-to-noise-ratio)” bit/s, so if you increase the received signal power, you can also transmit more data. On the one hand, you need a larger decoding complexity to successfully receive the data. On the other hand, wireless systems are generally designed to support a certain maximum data rate and then therefore have the hardware capability required for the decoding. From that viewpoint, beamforming enables us to achieve the maximum data rate more frequently.
@Peter-mn8rr
@Peter-mn8rr Жыл бұрын
Thank you 🙏
@Oshea73
@Oshea73 Жыл бұрын
this seems to be like constructive interference in physics if im correct i understand how to gain diversity with time division but how would it work with frequency division multiplexing also how is spatial multiplexing not causing more interference as theirs more transmitter than receiver so their wouldn't be parity thanks
@WirelessFuture
@WirelessFuture Жыл бұрын
Yes, beamforming is based on constructive interference. We will take a closer look at that in a later video, where we control the beamforming direction. Frequency division multiplexing is not so hard. You send different signals at different frequencies and tell each user which set of frequencies it is assigned to. In spatial multiplexing, you need to select the beamforming and number of simultaneous transmissions wisely so that you can keep the interference under control. Massive MIMO is a solution to this, where there are more antennas at the base station than the number of simultaneous signals that you want to send. For example, 64 antennas but only 8 signals. This gives sufficient controllability to deal with the interference
@Oshea73
@Oshea73 Жыл бұрын
@@WirelessFuture ok thanks
@Oshea73
@Oshea73 Жыл бұрын
@@WirelessFuture hi so from my understanding example if theirs 64 antennas at the transmitter and 8 at the receiver the x8 gain from mimo is actually beam forming or constructive interference gain that causes the high spectral efficiency gains from their being better SNR thanks
@kozhenidres314
@kozhenidres314 Жыл бұрын
thank you prof for all these great videos that you share with us for free do you recommend any course any online training for someone who wants to be RF engineer ?
@WirelessFuture
@WirelessFuture Жыл бұрын
I'm not an RF engineer myself, but work with communication theory and signal processing algorithms, so I'm unfortunately not familar with what online courses there are.
СИНИЙ ИНЕЙ УЖЕ ВЫШЕЛ!❄️
01:01
DO$HIK
Рет қаралды 3,3 МЛН
IL'HAN - Qalqam | Official Music Video
03:17
Ilhan Ihsanov
Рет қаралды 700 М.
Tuna 🍣 ​⁠@patrickzeinali ​⁠@ChefRush
00:48
albert_cancook
Рет қаралды 148 МЛН
Towards 6G:  Massive MIMO is a Reality-What is Next?
32:54
Wireless Future
Рет қаралды 35 М.
Why Digital Beamforming Is Useful for Radar
13:08
MATLAB
Рет қаралды 49 М.
How are Beamforming and Precoding Related?
11:58
Iain Explains Signals, Systems, and Digital Comms
Рет қаралды 37 М.
A gentle introduction to beamforming
10:01
AudioLabsErlangen
Рет қаралды 23 М.
Understanding Third Order Intercept
12:37
Rohde Schwarz
Рет қаралды 109 М.
What is Beamforming (Massive MIMO)? Find Out With Mpirical
12:45
СИНИЙ ИНЕЙ УЖЕ ВЫШЕЛ!❄️
01:01
DO$HIK
Рет қаралды 3,3 МЛН