Bear vs Dragon - Chinese Campaign Episode 2 - Ultimate Admiral Dreadnoughts

[@Aiwendill]

Lithuanians obviously hired captain of SMS Yorck into their service to coordinate their effort...

[@mechastophiles2118]

The target fast speed debuff should also ideally be based on relative motion. If they're moving at 40 knots and you're moving at 30, it's much easier to track at a speed difference of 10 knots (sailing parallel) than 70 (circle of death)

[@ursmersmann6736]

Did you all know that you can command at least allied minors ships on the strategic map... If you click on an allied port you'll get them shown... But not if you hover over them... I'm not sure wether this holds true for major allies but they at least are shown as an option to transfer if their in one of your ports...

[@cathyharrop3348]

The Motto of the Lithuanian Navy: "It's better to sink them in the Pacific than to fight them in the Baltic."

[@qaz120120]

44:20 that is one of the most epic ship designs that I have seen so far.

[@cathyharrop3348]

41:50: It's September and your ships Zhenzhong and Wulidian haven't gone home for repairs for their damage from August.

[@BrotherMunro]

No idea why, they’re all set to high repair priority

[@hillhog8805]

Great Episode! Hope the save doesn't get wiped

[@BrotherMunro]

That's very unusual on the live branch, usually only happens with major updates

[@dougjb7848]

@@BrotherMunro And there won’t me any more of *those.*

[@fsAirCobra]

damn that heavy cruiser has super good accuracy of fire

[@CasualSnake_D2]

Yes, please do a 6" version, the 7" turrets overhanging the barbettes looks horrendous

[@aaronp3411]

I meant to say this on the first episode, but I ended up aggravating you about the dual 5s…but that super duper BB is my favorite design you’ve put out in a long while.

[@briancox2721]

UAD developers: we're going to make Jackie Fisher's speed is armor philosophy manifest with huge target speed debuffs. Brother Munroe: with enough 14" guns, it won't matter.

[@BrotherMunro]

More dakka is usually a good solution 😂

[@cathyharrop3348]

37:30: It's just beautiful seeing the Zhongshan firing secondary guns at two targets.

[@OntarioRimrunner]

The Lithuanian Navy is having a really good working up session.

[@bryant7201]

Russian admiralty "I feel need. The need for speedski!"

[@bryant7201]

We need a mod to color ships so red ships go fasta

[@gijskramer1702]

Target fast speed once almost sunk my battleship. Tried to hit a cl from a range of only 300 meters, 0.8% hit chance. Like come on

[@BrotherMunro]

Oh good grief!

[@CenturionENT]

Does anyone know if they are planning on fixing the infinite loading screen/inability to battle soon? I got the game a couple days ago and I haven’t heard anything from the developers on any solutions and I’ve tried everything I think on my end. I really want to actually battle and have the battles load and not just have gray oceans with nothing on the screen except an immovable ship.

[@abeginningwoodworker8169]

You typically don't here much from the developers at all (it is a small game studio of just a few people). Stuff like that bug (which I have had happen once in my playthrough) and others that directly impact gameplay like that are usually patched pretty quickly though.

[@cathyharrop3348]

And the summary screen is still treating Lithuanian losses as enemies.

[@sgxbot]

how can you have all those nice battles? whenever i try to play uad again i have to wait 10 years before the first war starts just for the enemy to bring no ships to a fight and if there is a fight the enemy just keeps running away. or its 10 enemy bbs and 5 bcs against 3 of my dds

[@sgxbot]

and on top of that 8 out of 10 battles are just gray screen. full fog cant see sht

[@老二郑]

yeah,I am watching this.

[@cathyharrop3348]

30:01: You did not mention that the Lithuanians had bought a Huizhou class battlecruiser.

[@BrotherMunro]

Well they did 😅 our allies are so eager to buy ships it’s actually a problem

[@OntarioRimrunner]

It's good for your balance of trade.

[@trickyboy1517]

18:25 - 18:55. So it's not just me then, there is an "arsehole" mechanic that kicks in when you do too well in any given situation.

[@gargravarr2]

Vilnius Times, 30 September 1933 Naval Victories in the Far East While most of Lithuania's focus is on the thousands of our soldiers fighting on our eastern borders, the Grand Duchy's navy has managed to open up a new front against the Soviet menace in East Asia. Using the shipyards of our newest vassal, the Chinese Republic, we have constructed several fearsome warships and crewed them with superiorly skilled Lithuanian sailors. Wasting no time, we used these ships to immediately launch attacks on the Soviet Union's Pacific Fleet. Our superior ships and skills prevailed over the Soviets, sinking a battleship, a heavy cruiser, four light cruisers, and four destroyers this month. The enemy only managed to sink a single heavy cruiser from our fleet. Our greatest victory was the sinking of the mighty battleship Oslyabya, whose supposedly impenetrable armor was overcome by the pride of our fleet, the battlecruiser Klaipeda. The Soviet sailors on the heavy cruiser Admiral Makarov were also left in awe of the fearsome armament of the battleship Kaunas before it sent their ship to a watery grave. With the Soviet Union now pressured on two sides, it won't be long before the Lithuanian army achieves decisive victory on the battlefield and restores the Grand Duchy's rightful position as the dominant power in Eastern Europe.

[@ursmersmann6736]

Great comment, got a chuckle out of me...

[@glauberglousger6643]

To be fair, it’d be really difficult to pronounce the Chinese ships anyways (without prior knowledge of the Chinese words with symbols), since they don’t have unique symbols, and the English pronunciation being written in, well, English, would be weird (Unlike say, German or Japanese where stuff like Freidrich Der Grosser and Shimakaze exist) Without context something like Ma Could mean multiple things, So you’d have no idea if a ship was named fast horse, or fast mother Of course context helps But once you get stuff which both fit well with a ship, then you start getting confused Hanzhou is really difficult to figure out the pronunciation of if you’ve never heard the word before, or seen the Chinese one Quite a few names I can’t pronounce because I’ve never heard of them, or seen the Chinese name

[@BrotherMunro]

Happy to learn :) in the mean time I apologise for butchering all the names 😅

[@dougjb7848]

@@BrotherMunro That ship is one fast horsemother

[@SalvaBarbus]

I know you said it half-jokingly, but the question of "why use light ships" is kind of valid at the moment, I think. Especially light cruisers seem to be in a weird spot, being the most affected by the stuck turrets bug and such, it's almost tempting to just disregard those. Build destroyers for mine & torpedo purposes, heavy cruisers to deal with other cruisers, and battleships. Completely agree with the speed debuff being ridiculous, even more so when you have radar. That debuff should scale based on your rangefinding and radar capabilities, so it's 90% against say rangefinder 3, 70% against rangefinder4, 50% against rangefinder 5 (which is still a sizeable debuff), and 30% or so against radar. Also, a small bit of optimization: maybe you could remove antisubmarine weaponry from your ships? I think you added it, but if there are not going to be subs in this campaign, it's dead weight, isn't it?

[@BrotherMunro]

I think it’d give me an unfair advantage to remove the depth charges

[@SalvaBarbus]

@@BrotherMunro Right, makes sense!

[@CasualSnake_D2]

Has lithuania reformed the PLC or something?? How are they affording to buy battlecruisers?

[@BrotherMunro]

🤷‍♂️

[@Valshala]

Speed debuffing accuracy like this is a complete nonsense, Drach did a great vid on how range finders work a long time a go.

[@BrotherMunro]

For those interested here’s the video link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZO7qnSwfNl8jpo

[@adamcumley3950]

@@BrotherMunro Thank you for linkies!

[@taiko1237]

0:15 I'm not Chinese and don't speak Mandarin but I think X's are pronounced as an 'zh-' sound so it would be 'Zhin-lee-tuhn' I think. Chinese vowels I know are pronounced ah (a), eh (e), ee (i), awe (o), ooh (u). Hope this helps

[@Lord.Kiltridge]

Saying Russian when you mean Soviet, is like saying English when you mean British, or Texan when you mean American. Many Soviet era ships weren't even built in Russia.

[@williwass6837]

If you get a comment out of chinas mainland then you can be sure its a governement account,because YT(and most of the internet)is not permitted there!🤣So be carefull!

[@cathyharrop3348]

Between Heaven and Earth Pao: 13 August 1933 Canton, Pazhou, Guangdong Province, Republic of China Holding the Straight of Formosa Open The Lithuanian Navy, which has already demonstrated their courage and allegiance against the Soviet threat, were operating two of their Yangjiang class gun cruisers, the Feicheng and Jiaozuo, along with the Wuidian, first ship of her destroyer class, to escort six Huazhou class transports and the transport Fushun through the Formosa Strait. The Soviet Navy sent three of their Kerch class light cruisers, the Admiral Lazarev, Muraviev-Amurski, and Oleg, to attack at night and dispute the passage of the Chinese convoy. The Jiaozuo, already blooded in the first battle of the war three months earlier, took lead position. The Soviets however put their 5.5” fire on the Wulidian and got a lucky flooding hit, so the captain of the Jiaozuo, acting as Commodore for the squadron, directed the Wulidian to fall back and cover the transports while he led the Feicheng forward. Closing to incredibly close range so even their 2” guns to hit, the Jiaozuo and Feicheng put their fire on the lead Soviet ship, the Admiral Lazarev, and with a shot through and out her aft belt started her flooding from the stern. Another hit through her forward belt started the bow section to flood as well. Now the captain of the Admiral Lazarev made a fatal error, acting in accordance with doctrine he surrendered the lead position in the squadron to the Muraviev-Amurski and fell back to take up station at the end of the column, reaching the positon just as the Jiaozuo came abreast of him. The Jiaozuo was able to get two shells into the engineering spaces of the Admiral Lazarev, allow the waters of the Formosa Strait to fill the ship and take 615 of her 691 man crew down with her. As the Jiaozuo turned to take on the Muraviev-Amurski and Oleg they switched fire from the more inexperienced Feicheng to the closer Jiaozuo. Now the brave Lithuanian ship suffered a serious fault in her X and Y turrets, with them jamming and unable to track the enemy. Thus reduced by one third of her main battery, she struggled to overcome her two opponents, sailing to keep her between them and the Feicheng. The Jiaozuo lost her B turret and her Z turret jammed, now reducing her to one third of her main battery, only four 7” guns to the enemy’s twenty-four 5.5” guns. Even with the Muraviev-Amurski flooding by the stern the fire against the Jiaozuo was wearing her down. The Captain of the Jiaozuo requested that he be allowed to fall back in the column, but knowing the Feicheng lacked the combat experience of the Jiaozuo the Commodore insisted that the Jiaozuo maintain lead position and press the attack on the Kerch class ships before they could close on the convoy and the Wulidian. The Muraviev-Amurski finally got the hits she was hoping for, two 5.5” over penetrations of the fore belt of the Jiaozuo, causing flooding to start in the bow of the ship. Another started flooding aft. The Commodore then ordered the ship to withdraw, but even with the Feicheng sailing into position to take on the fire of the enemy, the Jiaozuo lost her battle against the sea and sank with 588 officers and ratings killed of her 708 man crew. The Feicheng continued to press the attack on the Soviet ships, causing the Muraviev-Amurski to take flooding forward, but with her inexperienced crew she wasn’t able to make a killing blow. The Soviets, having lost one ship, seemed unwilling to press the engagement anymore. With dawn breaking both sides allowed the other to recover their stranded comrades and broke off the engagement. The Soviet Navy claims the engagement was a victory as they sunk a larger ship than they lost. But in fact they lost in total 691 men, equal to the complement of a Kerch class light cruiser, while the allies lost 667 men, one of the Wulidian and the rest from the Jiaozuo. Further the Soviet Navy failed to touch even one transport, which had to be their primary mission. The Chinese Republic Navy has sent the deepest condolences to the families of the Lithuanian Navy Ship Jiaozuo and heartfelt thanks to the Republic of Lithuania Navy.

[@stephengalanis]

Russia has some very fast hulls in general. Remember your own very fast Russian BC. Speed is a bit of a theme for them. I hope you don't get stuck in a forever war with Russia. It's easily done as China, because they just don't have the tonnage (or budget to sail said tonnage to the Baltic.) When I got China to a GDP of $480bn, it was purposely avoiding war with Russia. I paid 'em off everytime, especially when they had few ships. That means there's too few VP on the table to end the war.

[@cryhavoc999]

Looks like that Russian BB was the result of a highly successful 4 year plan

[@cathyharrop3348]

The most stable country that is not currently China's friend is the UK. That's who you should be trying to turn to China's side IMHO.

[@cathyharrop3348]

Between Heaven and Earth Pao: 12 September 1933 Canton, Pazhou, Guangdong Province, Republic of China Class Leaders and the Debut of the Huizhou Class The Huizhou is the flagship of the Chinese Republic Navy, but she is not the only ship of her class. The Lithuanian Navy, almost as the first trade agreement of their alliance with the Republic of China, bought another Huizhou, the Zhongshan. And she is with us facing the Soviet Menace, fulfilling the unofficial motto of the Lithuanian Navy, “It's better to sink them in the Pacific than to fight them in the Baltic." The Zhongshan and the Lithuanian gun cruiser Feicheng joined the Chinese Republic Navy heavy cruiser Shandong and the destroyers Wulidian, Xinlitun, and Zhenzhong to hunt down a Soviet battle squadron operating in the Yellow Sea consisting of the Pobeda class battleship Oslyabya escorted by the light cruiser Kerch and the destroyers Albatros and Fidonisy. The Allied squadron found the Oslyabya and escorts penetrating the Bó Hǎi, also known as the Sea of China. To have enemy ships so close to the Capital is a deep affront, and the Chinese ships pledged that no Soviet ship would make it back out to the Yellow Sea. With the Albatros, Kerch and the Wulidian in the battle this was a historic event, with three class leads participating in the same combat. Though vital in finding the Soviet Squadron, the Feicheng was too damaged and undermanned to participate in the battle, and she was ordered to retire. Once again the Commodore on the Zhongshan ordered the remaining ships of his squadron to form line of battle astern, as this has proven the easiest formation for the multinational force to maintain. The Oslyabya opened fire, and got the first hit on the main tower of the Zhongshan with one of her 11.1” guns. The Zhongshan immediately returned in kind, hitting the main tower of the Oslyabya with her 14” gun. As the Oslyabya turned to port to close on the Kerch which had moved on the destroyers in the Allied battle line, the Zhongshan turned to starboard and got the critical hit of the battle. The Zhongshan destroyed the B turret of the Oslyabya. Now driving into the gap between the Oslyabya and the Kerch, the Zhongshan kept her main batter and port side secondary on the Oslyabya while her starboard secondary and the guns of the Shandong, Wulidian, Xinlitun, and Zhenzhong pounded on the Kerch. Though the Zhongshan lost her secondary tower she kept up her fire. The Kerch, pinned between two parts of the Allied line, sailed directly for the Shandong, ramming her in starboard side aft. The Kerch however was too deeply compromised already and began flooding forward. However, being so close to the Shandong, 580 of her 691 man crew was able to transfer over to the heavy cruiser before the Kerch sank. All this time the two Soviet destroyers had failed to screen the Oslyabya. With them out of range and the Kerch sinking, the whole allied battle line now focused on the Oslyabya. Listing and burning, the Oslyabya sank from flooding with 1848 officers and ratings killed or lost at sea from her crew complement of 1989. Pursuit of the Albatros and Fidonisy began, with the Chinese ships still committed to seeing these two last enemies sunk in the Bó Hǎi. Now the 9” fire of the Shandong began to take the toil, having the greater rate of fire, range and accuracy to first force the last seven men of the Albatros to abandon ship, and the last nine of the Fidonisy. In the end the Chinese Republic Navy lost two men. The Republic of Lithuania Navy suffered more dearly, losing 115 officers and ratings killed or seriously wounded. The Soviet Navy, for daring to venture into the Bó Hǎi, lost 2280 officers and ratings killed or lost at sea with another 738 taken prisoner.

[@cathyharrop3348]

Between Heaven and Earth Pao: 21 August 1933 Canton, Pazhou, Guangdong Province, Republic of China Are the Soviets Holding Back? A convoy of the 9304 ton transports Decai, Yangjiaping, and Anhui were crossing the Yellow Sea under the escort of the Lithuanian Navy Ship Zhuzhou, a Yangjiang class gun cruiser, along with five Wulidian class destroyers when a strong Soviet squadron led by the Slava Rossii class 15512 ton heavy cruiser Admiral Makarov accompanied by the Kerch class light cruiser Kagul and the Albatros class destroyer Sladkov, approached to attack the convoy. With the Zhuzhou damaged and 25 men short of her complement the Commodore, a Lithuanian Navy officer, transferred his flag to the other Lithuanian ship of the squadron, the Tangjiayanzi, directed the Zhuzhou to cover the convoy and the four remaining destroyers to form battle line behind the Tangjiayanzi. As the Tangjiayanzi was the most inexperience ship of the squadron this was a bold choice, but the Commodore had his Chinese translators and liaisons with him and his bi-lingual codes. The Tangjiayanzi opened fire on the Sladkov, starting the engagement and forcing the Sladkov to flush her torpedoes at extreme range. The Zhenzhuo and Zhenzhong broke formation to dodge the incoming strike, barely threading through the enemy torpedo spread. The Bijin also had to break formation to avoid torpedoes. Once clear the Commodore, realizing that trying to recreate his battle line in the face of the enemy was unwise, ordered the three ships to form themselves on the Zhenzhong and proceed separately. The Tangjiayanzi and Jiayuguan now focused their fire on the light cruiser Kagul. The torpedo launches from the Tangjiayanzi and Jiayuguan were fired from too far out to hit the 39.7 knot ship. The two destroyers peppered her with 2” fire and an occasional 5” hit while the Zhenzhong brought her column up on the Kagul’s flank. A 5” hit damaged the Kagul’s rudder and caused flooding in her aft section. The Zhenzhong, closing but with flooding in her foremost and rearmost compartments, attempted her own torpedo launch but the Kagul was able to turn to starboard to avoid it. The Zhenzhuo, taking flooding aft and in the compartment just forward of her engineering spaces, fired her torpedoes on the Kagul but also missed. The Kagul now was flooding badly fore and aft but her engineering spaces were unbreached. The Bijin was the last Allied ship with torpedoes, and she was coming up fast on the port side of the Kagul. With the Tangjiayanzi closing on her stern, the Kagul took a sharp turn to port right in front of the Bijin, and with the bigger ship committed to her turn the Bijin launched her three torpedoes at the Kagul. The Tangjiayanzi had to evade the path of the leftmost torpedo but the center torpedo struck the Kagul square amidships, breaching her engineering spaces and sinking her with 111 of her crew. Realizing he could not avoid all the torpedoes, the Kapitan of the Kagul ordered his crew to abandon ship in time to save 580 of them. With many of his destroyers suffering flooding and all having expended their torpedoes, the Commodore aboard the Tangjiayanzi faced the prospect of the torpedo heavy Admiral Makarov turning to join the fight. However the heaviest ship of the Soviet squadron had failed to participate in the battle to this point, as if she had sailed into the Yellow Sea from the other side of the world and felt no comradeship with the sailors aboard the Kagul and Sladkov. Knowing full well the mind of his Slavic neighbors, the Lithuanian officer decided to bluff, and ordered the Jiayuguan to follow him and close on the Sladkov in a show of confidence while the three other destroyers fell back on the convoy. The Admiral Makarov expended some torpedoes to deter the Allied attack on the wounded Sladkov but did not close to give her cover. The Tangjiayanzi and Jiayuguan converged on the Sladkov as she turned to join the Admiral Makarov and the allied ships pounded her with 2” and 5” shells. The Sladkov lost her main gun and suffered damage to her rudder while flooding forward and aft. Her engineering spaces breached from the pressure of the water in the forward compartments, and with her engines unable to pump the incoming seawater away, the Sladkov sank with 145 of her 169 man crew. The Admiral Makarov clearly had no interest other than shelling the Tangjiayanzi at long range. Unable to get to the transports under the protection of the Zhuzhou she attempted to close on the Tangjiayanzi and Jiayuguan but in the end did little damage. The battle ended as a clear victory, with the Bijin taking credit for the final sinking of the Kagul and the Lithuanian ship Tangjiayanzi gaining revenge for the loss of the Jiaozuo.

[@cathyharrop3348]

Between Heaven and Earth Pao: 8 August 1933 Canton, Pazhou, Guangdong Province, Republic of China Attacks on Our Commerce Commence The Shandong, third ship of the Hunan heavy cruiser class, accompanied by the Wuidian class destroyer Xinlitun, was escorting fourteen Chyun class transports of 3407 tons and with 22 crew armed with a 4.2” gun and two 3.3” guns in the Yellow Sea when they were attacked by a squadron of Soviet Navy ships lead by a Kerch class light cruiser later determined to be the Gaidamak and four Albatros class destroyers, the Fazan, Gadzhibey, Kapitan Konan Zotov, and Stroynyi. The Shandong immediately moved to attack with the Xinlitun astern as the Chyun and sisters made best speed away from the battle. The enemy sent to of his destroyers forward, and after maneuvering to avoid their torpedo strike the Shandong, firing high explosive shells, caused the crews of the Fazan and Stroynyi to abandon ship from the multiple fires consuming their vessels. Only twenty-five of the 169 man complement of the Fazan survived, and only ten of the Stroynyi. With his first attack wave a failure the Commodore aboard the Gaidamak sent the Gadzhibey and Kapitan Konan Zotov forward to attempt another torpedo launch. Once again the Shandong nimbly avoided the torpedoes before closing on the two destroyers where her hits began penetrating the smaller ships, causing both to sink from flooding. The Kapitan Konan Zotov went down first, with only twenty-five of her crew surviving. The Gadzhibey sunk next, with twenty of her crew surviving. It appeared that the Gaidamak might attempt to use her superior speed to close on the transports, but as the Shandong demonstrated she could stay between the transports and the Gaidamak, the enemy cruiser withdrew without firing a shot in anger. In total the Soviet Union lost four Albatros class destroyers, 595 officers and ratings killed or lost at sea, and 81 recovered and taken prisoner.

[@cathyharrop3348]

Between Heaven and Earth Pao: 21 September 1933 Canton, Pazhou, Guangdong Province, Republic of China Chasing Down the Cowards We really have no case against the officers and ratings of the Albatros class destroyer Statnyi. They may have just been honorable men forced by the fortunes of war to share a mission with the two most cowardly Soviet ships afloat. The Officers and ratings aboard the Slava Rossii class heavy cruiser Admiral Makarov and the Kerch class light cruiser Gaidamak are another case. These two ship crews have abandoned their own escorts to destruction while refusing to face the might of the Republic of China Navy and the Republic of Lithuania Navy. Their fate, and the scorn heaped upon them, are richly deserved. The Chinese built 14” armed Xuegong class battleship of the Lithuanian Navy, the Sarhuda, escorted by the Wulidian class destroyer Zhendong, found the cowards in the Sea of Japan. Closing quickly, the Sarhuda opened fire first, and after dodging the torpedo launch of the Statnyi was able to hit the Admiral Makarov and destroy her torpedo magazine. This and subsequent hits flooded the Admiral Makarov, causing her to sink with 1021 officers and ratings of her 1230 man crew. The Statnyi was hit twice by the Sarhuda and sank with 145 officers and ratings of her 169 man crew. The Gaidamak lost a main gun turret before sinking from flooding with 580 of her 691 officers and ratings. The Lithuanian and Chinese ships suffered no losses. Consideration is being given to returning the 319 survivors of the Admiral Makarov and Gaidamak as they certainly wouldn’t improve the Soviet Navy. The nineteen survivors of the Statnyi will be held as prisoners of war in accordance with conventions.