BEARD & LONG HAIR FOR MEN | Rev. Gentry Mangun Answered the Issue (David Bernard spoke) | BOTT 2022

[@mikem5796]

Facial hair arguments hold no biblical orthodoxy. I choose to typically stay clean shaved but I do not cause this to be a stumbling block for others as though holiness is connected to this. Jesus had a beard. This should settle the debate. Too many people needing salvation to focus on trivial matters like this.

[@davispatricks5453]

Agreed. There are too many lost, too many people who are heavy laden to cause anxiety over this.

[@nuffsaid8706]

It’s not just that!…we say we need to know the difference between a man and a woman….men can grow beards there you go….I have mine and don’t let anyone tell me to shave it off and I go to an apostolic Church…

[@Tryagain563]

@@nuffsaid8706 It is Biblical, both in OT and NT for men to have a beard. It is more natural too I believe. Good for you for having a beard, look in the Bible, look at Jesus Himself(!) - you're in good company!

[@abigailjackson2065]

Have you ever seen Jesus for your self or a picture that they have hanging on the wall saying it's jesus where in the bible told you that Jesus is white?

[@TinaSelftalk]

Amen !!!!

[@donnabrewster5192]

Truthfully I don’t know or can’t think of scripture that forbids facial hair.

[@justathoughthere]

That's because there is no scripture that forbids facial hair. Their argument is that a beard is a men's pride, and pride is sin. I don't have a beard because I don't like it. So according to their logic I must be in sin because I obviously take pride in my shaved face 😅

[@Purpl_SoggyBiscuits]

@samuelcoleman7873 Good answer!! Love ya brother!

[@Camille-wk9zs]

@@justathoughthere show me where in scripture it talks about facial hair and pride in ANY capacity? Grabbing at straws that DO NOT exist. If that’s the case, then women having long hair is attributed to witchcraft AND PRIDE…🤔😳🙄

[@Fr4nkSanchez]

Exaclty, just legalism.

[@davidcoleman5860]

The argument isn't that the Bible forbids facial hair. Some uninformed ministers try to argue that, but on the main, that's not the position of those who preach against facial hair. It's best not to criticize a view you do not understand.

[@reyjeituano5930]

The doctrine about beards for men nowhere in the new testaments..if we have beards or not are still not the issue of the new testament church..but about long hair for men is absolutely prohibited in the new testament in I Corinthians 11:14...and Paul was ready to answer those who question him about this in verse 16..

[@davidcoleman5860]

The “doctrine about beards” never was about a specific New Testament verse against it. You shouldn't criticize a view you do not understand. Those who prohibit facial hair rather point to several New Testament verses which establish a principle upon which certain technically legal forms of behavior are prohibited for legitimate reasons.

[@Broadfieldpoint]

Regardless of all of the reasonable and so called practical discussions that try to legitimize all of these types of things, I have one question: why go backwards? Why embrace things that generations that prayed and fasted far more than any of us stood for. Who are we, that are so spiritual as to adjust the landmarks that our flesh disagrees with….nothing more, than distractions. As for me, God…I must be about your business. Lead me, guide me. Nothing else matters

[@Republican_Banana]

Traditions can be wrong. Men that have fasted and prayed also have created doctrines like the trinity by adding to scripture.

[@TxKonkrete]

2 Sam. 10:4-5 Wherefore Hanun took David's servants, and shaved off the one half of their beards, and cut off their garments in the middle, even to their buttocks, and sent them away.5 When they told it unto David, he sent to meet them, because the men were greatly ashamed: and the king said, Tarry at Jericho until your beards be grown, and then return.

[@DonnyKarr]

Not surprised to see they totally ignored this scripture.

[@JesusBaptismGlobalOutreach]

Many are backslidden for decades, but think they are saved for shaving their face. They shave but still listen to secular music, still proud as can be, still cuss, still commit sexual sins, still confused as can be about doctrine, etc. The outward appearance matters, but it’s just the basics. Too many uncalled preachers go way out into left field when it comes to the outward appearance, and they don’t know anything when it comes to God or inner holiness.

[@pepchep]

Faith on the earth, means will any remains obedient to the words of the Lord Jesus Christ. Faith is display through obedience.

[@davedrennan7126]

Yes they're putting on the Massiah passion play

[@fiery.mercaba]

Preaching the Word regarding the Lord Jesus' suffering, crucifixion, triumphant resurrection, commission-giving, & ascension is good enough, Dave Drennan. No need for the compromising entertainment, nor the excuse-making on the behalf of the same.

[@jennifergarcia-jb4rk]

🎉

[@frederickdaniels8139]

“God does not look at the outward appearance but he looks at the heart “, but yes, morality is important as a believer matures.

[@douglasboyd8475]

Facial hair on men is one of the main ways that God draws a distinction between the sexes. Mosaic law even says a man cannot trim his beard. I love those in the apostolic community and consider them my brothers, but they are quick to preach some parts of the Mosaic law, especially dress codes but then ignore the Mosaic law when it command a man to not cut his beard. The bottom line is that men in the apostolic community should be OK wearing a beard, but I can promise you, you will not see men with beards on their platforms.

[@TinaSelftalk]

God could care less about this subject

[@thomasreppond3608]

Beards are not against the Bible or the word of God

[@davidcoleman5860]

The vast majority of ministers who preach against facial hair never said they (beards) were (“against the word of God”). Do you even know why they preach against facial hair?

[@doggoneit8341]

In this same message Bro. Bernard admonished the church to stop arguing over opinions. Beards on men (with or without) is an opinion. It’s not a sin according to scripture for men to have beard. And the “long hair” that the POA men supposedly have is not longer than their collar. Just a little thick to help them look more like someone from biblical times. They still have short manly haircuts. Again, whether or not men should have hair that’s off their collar or not is an opinion. It’s not something strictly outlined in scripture. So why don’t we just leave it alone and focus on more important things like Bro. Bernard preached!

[@fiery.mercaba]

O those pesky "opinions," eh! Pesky, pesky, PESKY! And O how pesky is the reality that many "opinions" have already been long centralized, standardized, & pedestalized in several churches under the UPCI banner, & some "opinions" even within the UPCI itself! It is disingenuous to conveniently label certain things as "opinions" when they are in fact inconvenient truths while preferring & protecting other ideations & practices that are in fact "opinions." A thing is either Biblical in every sense of the word & thus approved by Almighty God & therefore to be held & held up as dogma, or it is not meeting the criteria for being established as dogma & is therefore, if even allowable in the Christ's Kingdom (& if not allowable by any principle of the Lord, then discarding is the only right way to go), a preference to be permitted, & this only so long as it is not naturally going to, or is not made to, infringe upon another Christian's or other Christians' liberties in Christ Jesus, the Holy One, the Just One. (One of my favorite passages of Scripture to bring to bear on this whole matter is Romans 14.) Notice I avoided employing the term "opinion" in preference for, well, "preference." While one may be a perfectly fine synonym for the other, & perhaps either is good for this context, "opinion" is now, if not from its start, more associated with "an unyielding mindset," whereas "preference" feels a little or quite a bit more a term acknowledging other positions of liking something over another thing, e.g. beef rather than lamb, or vice versa; chicken more than turkey, or vice versa; a black vehicle rather than a white vehicle (as long as there is no nuance of wrongness intended & flowing out of a core ulterior motive of wrongness), or vice versa (the above parenthetical note applies herein, too). Basically, a mere opinion ought never to be made dogma (try telling that to those oldtimers & their spiritual, if not biological, lineage who held to that, for instance, "black & white shouldn't marry," & then, as if that wasn't bad enough, claim a passage like, say, 2 Corinthians 6:14 supports their position), but an "others acknowledged" preference that is in no way sinful -- according to what the Lord Jesus & His Holy Writ call sinful -- ought to be permitted room & expression. So, on the matter of beards are not in & of themselves sinful, whether on a Christian male or an unsaved male, I can & do concede, for it is so that the Almighty & His Word do not say beards are sinful in & of themselves. And yet I have to emphasize "in & of themselves," a thing that the Bible does establish must be taken into consideration. Indeed, there are mandates in the Bible that pertained to how certain Jewish men & classes of Jewish men (e.g. the sacerdotal, i.e. the priestly groups) were to groom their beards from how they weren't to render their beards. (Consult Leviticus 19:27; 21:5; etc.) On the matter of what truly are proper lengths for the pate hair of Christian males, & do notice I say "lengths," this being said with ethnicities, hair textures, & growth direction in mind, I do, however, tend to disagree. Those who argue for "collar length is fine" seem to be carrying on with the same thing some carry on with in other areas of deportment, that is to say, "How far can I go with this before it becomes for sure a sin." And do note, even if "collar length pate hair is fine" were indeed fine, which I don't see that it is indeed fine, we all do well to consider really, really well the apostle Paul's statements in 1 Corinthians 6:12 & 10:23-24, & 31-33. If "collar length is fine on a man" were indeed fine, but "a stumblingblock" (rf. Romans 14:13; 1 Corinthians 8:9; & Revelation 2:14) to whosoever is "weak in the Faith" (rf. Romans 14:1), to "a soul for whom Christ died" (rf. Romans 14:15 & 1 Corinthians 8:11), trim your hair up off your nape! Your "collar length hair" is not more important than a soul! It's really hard for a hoarder to clean house, but it is house-cleaning time. (Consider 1 Peter 4:17-19.)

[@fiery.mercaba]

By the way, to the original poster of the comment that started this thread, I could have asked of you from the get-go why it is that your thinking processes have permitted you to think that an expression that is actually an euphemized form of a profanity expression that actually includes a disrespectful use of "God" was a great choice for a channel name of your own, but I've before refrained to instead focus on the main topics at hand, even though your channel moniker did catch my attention & did indeed irk me from the start, & irk me due to the abovementioned reason.

[@fiery.mercaba]

Should I assume that your post with the question was meant for me, @@coltyounger8824?

[@doggoneit8341]

@@fiery.mercaba I don’t care what irks you. You’re nothing but a hypocrite causing discord.

[@fiery.mercaba]

You do sound irked yourself, but irked not about what you need to be irked about, otherwise you would be penitent & not resorting to false accusation. But I'm used to hearing false accusations, & the Lord Jesus got my back & all around me, from head to toe. Your personal attacks will not & cannot scare me off point. I've looked down barrel of a revolver of a drunk, demonic man from even when I was much younger in the Lord &, by the Lord's strength & favor, kept declaring the Word of the Lord even when the demoniac was threatening me to stop. And I have not time right now to tell of the other similar incidents in my lifetime. But, yeah, I do realize you have no genuine Biblical responses to respond with. I do understand.

[@realtruth7able]

Nothing wrong absolutely nothing wrong with beards. That's man's legalistic invention. So sad it's even an issue.. Lord Helps us..

[@thomasreppond3608]

Yep you are right it was implanted during the hippie movement by great men of God to be separated from that in the USA some take it as biblical law but it’s not it was because of culture there are times when God will lead people to doing thangs to be separate from the world around them some lack wisdom and bring it to legalism

[@thomasreppond3608]

The truth is modesty man dress like a man and woman dress like a woman and Acts19:1-6 is the only way to believe on Jesus and when you receive the Holy Ghost you will speak in tongues That is how we are edified in prayer praying in the spirit so that we get our strength from God and his spirit

[@thomasreppond3608]

That is the only way to be saved in the other way is not biblical and will send you to hell

[@shannontalley1720]

It is not legalistic. It was and is a safe guard against rebellion. If you are willing to make a stink about any boundaries a prayerful, God fearing Shepard establishes you need more than a haircut, etc.

[@kyleroberson6171]

@@shannontalley1720 I guess Jesus was a rebel? Get out of here with that nonsense

[@dereks1990]

This video didn't address what the title says at all

[@elecktronbluegirl]

I guess nobody else noticed..

[@TimGoddard1963]

That’s exactly what I was thinking. And the person who posted this video is not UPCI. UPCI does not post things like this.

[@ewt00b]

Dont we want to be more like Jesus? There is no instruction against beards.

[@fiery.mercaba]

Are you trying to joke or what, Philip? Are you really so shallowly arguing that to have a "beard" is to be "more like Jesus"? Are you really that shallow?

[@bah4522]

@@fiery.mercaba I think he’s pointing out that having a beard or not doesn’t separate you from Jesus

[@kirbytheninja2864]

Having a beard doesn’t make you more like Jesus.

[@fiery.mercaba]

You certainly are doing your best to cloud out of view what he actually said, @@bah4522. He remarked & thus clearly insinuated that having a beard makes a male "more like Jesus," & that, of course, is utterly ridiculous, & you too know it is utterly ridiculous.

[@joshanding8057]

Really

[@eugenejoseph7076]

As people leave the church by the thousands, this is a topic of discussion! I'm very close to never stepping into a building that names itself a 'church' again. Instead I will seek out fellowship with other beleivers who care more about sharing the Gospel with their lost loved ones and anyone the Lord puts in their path. The so called Church has become nothing more than a social club or a corporation with pseudo spiritual therapeutic TED talks.

[@CorneliusSebastion-tk6ru]

I DON"T BLAME YOU THIS IS WHAT JESUS BACK DURING THE PERIOD WHERE THE PHARISEES SCRIBES AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE SANCTIFIED COUNCIL PREACHED MORE OF TRADITION INSTEAD OF THE WORD OF GOD THIS IS WHAT JESUS ALSO OUTLINED AS HONORING HIM WITH THEIR LIPS AND THEIR HEARTS BEING FAR FROM HIM. THEY HAVE FORSAKEN THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD FOR THE SAKE OF THEIR OWN TRADITION.

[@rhondal8887]

Sadly I'm also in this place. I'm over "church".

[@Welding-yk7ml]

The Bible only states in the book of Leviticus 19:27 “Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.” ‭‭. So basically if men are to have one it should be fully grown and uncut not trimmed or shaped. But for most it’s separation/conviction

[@ERLong-ww7yn]

The issue of beards has more to do with following the fads of the world. Beards weren't an issue in churches until they became a fad after certain TV characters showed up with beards. It all has to do with where your focus is. On the other hand, when asked why the disciples didn't fast, Jesus answered "Can the children mourn when the bridegroom is with them"? Shaving beards, scripturally, was a sign of mourning. The church is in the mourners state until the Lord returns.

[@checkcheck2125]

Work out your own salvation

[@ERLong-ww7yn]

@@checkcheck2125"with fear and trembling". Certainly. By following scripture and not our own opinions

[@checkcheck2125]

@@ERLong-ww7yn exactly

[@Mark-ye9pi]

If we’re spreading the Good News of Christ, we are not in mourning. Having his spirit in us is a sign that we should be glad about.

[@KloeRosee]

They are not saying there is anything in the Bible that forbids facial hair, simply that it is a cultural choice and preference to present oneself clean shaven. I’ve always heard it put that it was a preference to be clean shaven that started around the 1960s in American secular culture where men who were into the “sex, drugs, rock N roll” and hippie era wore long, shaggy beards. Therefore, the men in churches were asked to show a distinction between themselves from the rest of that culture. The Bible does ask that the church present themselves separate from the ways of the secular world and this is just another way it was done. If women are expected to dress modestly, why couldn’t something so small be asked of the men? In the last couple years, however, this standard has since been dropped by the UPCI, as an organizational request, however, many churches still ask their men to or their men may choose to. These men do so by choice, however. This is not forced on anyone “or else you can’t be Pentecostal or worship the Lord.” I personally go to the POA, and we have many in our congregation who have facial hair. No judgement and all are welcome. Lifestyle convictions are a personal matter that starts in the heart, and I am sorry to those who have seen it misrepresented. It comes down to so much more than just facial hair, and I personally think it’s unfortunate that it has been made into such a big deal (although, with respect for other cultures and beliefs, I understand it may hold more weight). God bless everyone. I also just want to add, this is my personal belief or opinion on the matter from what I have heard or experienced. I do not represent an entirety of any group. This sort of matter or opinion depends on a person to person basis. That is also why I suggest no one group or church to be labeled into one big category or socially stigmatized. This requires a much more holistic approach than simply taking what you see or hear at face value. What the Word of God says ultimately matters the most and culture also can have an impact on each persons’ lifestyle convictions. Thank you for reading.

[@TheRuggedWay]

There are many more clean shaven faces in society than beards, especially uncut beards (Leviticus). Having a beard as a man sets one apart from the culture a lot more. Oneness Pentecostal men at conferences look just like all the other business men in the same conference center

[@jeremyketz8862]

I have a question. If God didn't want men of God to grow a beard, would it not say so in scripture? And would not God have designed the male body to not grow facial hair? It seems like the UPCI regarding beards is unbiblical? Why would people of God create such a demand on a man of God that stripes him of the blessing God created him with?

[@revrufusw]

It is unbiblical... Jesus Christ had a beard... He would be kicked out of leadership in many Pentacostal churches today... its mans opinion, tradition, and causing confusion... they need to just drop the debate.. period.

[@douglasboyd8475]

It was against the law of Moses to trim your beard. Jesus had a beard that was never trimmed.

[@TJS82]

@jeremyketz8862 That`s the most logical comment I`ve seen on here. Thank you for addressing that because I was about make a similar response.

[@checkcheck2125]

I teach at my church and was told today that to continue teaching, I must cut my beard.

[@J.L.Blankenship]

So even if it's not biblical you teach it because someone said so

[@checkcheck2125]

@J.L. Blankenship I will teach either way however; at this location, it's through my church. It's on our outreach team.

[@checkcheck2125]

​@@J.L.Blankenship Praise report my Pastor is allowing me to keep my beard.

[@douglasboyd8475]

Sad and pathetic. Do they not realize God commanded the Israelites to not trim their beards? Jesus beard was probably a foot long.

[@maryhelencampos9964]

Whaattt !!! Good news... btw: use leave in hair conditioner to keep beard smooth .Blessings

[@stevekleinhenz8262]

Why is this even an issue? Saved or lost it doesn’t matter! What about personal hygiene is that a problem?

[@seanminkins7701]

Steve Kleinhenz, You hit the nail on the head with this one. Personal hygiene is an issue in the church.

[@Paladin1776-v6e]

Thinking you are holy for having a shaven face is the definition of legalism.

[@dreamarichards4972]

Hallelujah!! Praise God!! 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@Blessednesting]

I don’t understand the sermons attached to the first clip?

[@sagittarius63rog]

Men NOT having beards & mustaches is ‘church’ tradition and ‘church’ tradition only. There isn’t a shred of evidence or scripture that would indicate otherwise. In fact, when God made man, it was a distinction he gave man to set him apart from a woman. Study ancient history of civilizations. The only time in history when the men were not wearing facial hair, they also fell into the worship of the human male form, and the desire for eternal youth. Almost always this included homosexuality as an acceptable practice. No good Jew would be seen, once a man, without facial hair. It would be considered a disgrace. Their is nothing wrong with church tradition as long as it is not held to the same authority of scripture. It is Romish to teach otherwise since the Vatican teaches that it takes church tradition and the scriptures to save a person. We believe in scripture alone. Not to mention, the farther north you go in our movement, due to climate, the more facial hair there is. Unless you believe that every upci church above the mason Dixon line is lost, then except it for what it is…church tradition. What an embarrassment to have this on KZbin for the rest of the church world to see that we are still squabbling over stupid stuff!! Grow up is right! But grow up into agape love. When that which is perfect is come…is agape love. I don’t wear facial hair at all because I can’t stand extra hair and it makes me look older. You see…I’m the one who is vain…not the facial hair wearer. We use the scripture for woman’s hair….does not nature teach??? Yes…yes it does. A woman’s hair grows naturally longer than a man’s proving that this is one thing God gave to set them a part from a man. Likewise, does not nature teach us that facial hair was given to a man to set him apart from the women? Come on people…use the Holy Ghost and common sense. There are souls to save. Stop arguing over things way too human.

[@doggoneit8341]

👏👏

[@shannontalley1720]

thank you for your perspective.

[@reyjeituano5930]

You're right! men not having beard or moustache is tradition..but men having long hair is scripturally prohibited in the new testament church..I Corinthians 11:14🎈😊❤️

[@revrufusw]

UPCI says they have no written stance on beards. They stood against them in the hippie era because they hippies long hair and beards promoted rebellion and they church wanted to separate themselves by shaving... Question: the liberals have hijacked the rainbow for perversion, does the church reject the rainbow to separate themselves from these groups...I do not subscribe to the world dictating what is right or wrong for Gods chosen... they have have no power over us... unless we allow it. Jesus Christ had a beard, I follow Him and will NEVER allow the minions of satan to stain the reputation of my savior by allowing them to have dominion over my personal appearance. I disagree with even the idea of debating a mans beard... focus on Christ and Him crucified, we don't have time for this, it's silly.

[@pepchep]

​@reyjeituano5930 long hair on his head not face, the greek word clearly distinguish the head from face, Jesus had a beard and that is not debately that is a fact historically and biblical. So if a man having beard is a sin we must be carefully because we would be saying the same thing of Jesus Christ,all the apostles had beard biblically that is fact.

[@christianandkatielangston872]

Why though?? Why can’t they leave their hair that way all the time if that’s how Jesus “looked”…

[@checkcheck2125]

So I see alot of pro facial persons here how many are willing to address church leadership concerning this topic.

[@mychaelgriffin]

I. Feel like upci has changed

[@Priest0311]

Many preachers argue about long hair but even Paul mentioned this but Paul never stated if it was a sin. Nowhere in the New testament it tells us that having long hair is a sin. So if it's not stated then nothing is wrong with it

[@ITISTIMEChannel]

It was not stated that it is a sin, but it is stated that God wants it for his children. The. Doing the opposite of what God loves, what do you think it is?

[@Priest0311]

@@ITISTIMEChannel not to start a argument but can you show me where it is stated that God wants it for his children?

[@Tryagain563]

"Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair it is a shame to him?!" I Corinthians 11:14

[@Mark-ye9pi]

@@Tryagain563 No. No it doesn’t😂 when I shave my face it feels unnatural though

[@randypoteau]

1 Corinthians 11:14 tells us that

[@jackandjill9065]

For years we apostolic people have had a dress code as to be decent and acceptable as upright to our communities. The military, offices, and other high profile positions REQUIRED their personnel to be clean shaven to present a nice image. That was the basis for our men to appear as godly and professional to society. My dad and EVERYONE else in our movement stood on this concept. My dad always asked the new converts to pray about it. Numerous men would start having skin issues because of their beard, after receiving the Holy Ghost and praying about it. They had to shave to get the skin issues cleared up! I personally think that we should be very careful in this falling away time to really give this issue prayerful consideration! Are we wanting to just blend in with society? Are we taking on things once laid aside? The bottom line is, what does our heart that has sought God say…not what the comments here say, our pastor says, wives say, people outside of the Apostolic community say, but God. It is our souls that need to seek out OUR OWN salvation with fear and trembling! It’s beards now, what will it be tomorrow? Draw a line and stay behind it! We can’t afford to start changing our ways now of all times. Prayer is so vital in our walk with God! May we all find mercy! 💙🤍

[@danielkinney6325]

You can spot a Pentecostal female in public. But you cannot tell by the dress code a Pentecostal man or male. Thats something I struggle with. I know preachers who wear longer suit jackets to cover their front and back side.

[@Philipspencer50]

Only in America. Is facial hair against biblical standards. Israel held facial hair beards. It wasn’t until the 60s and 70s that America changed their idea of facial hair.

[@rodcanterbury3149]

Why did you do away with pastor Mayans sermon I am disappointed in your Decision in Jesus name

[@paulshepard3222]

God created the beard...man has been trying to create new ways to change what God designed...first seashells now 5 or 6 blade metal razors... The traditions and customs of man, are what is being taught here... not the word of God.

[@tmanwheeler8270]

Where in the Bible does it say a woman can’t wear pants?

[@jesusistheonegod4896]

Deuteronomy 22:5 says women can’t wear the clothes of men and men can’t wear the clothes of women trousers/pants are mentioned 5 times in the Bible and every time it’s used for a man Here’s the verse Exodus 28:42 exodus 39:24 verse 1 reveals its for a man Arron Leviticus 6:10 same verse says he leviticus 16:4 Ezekiel 44:18 verse 15 and 22 confirm this it’s a man so it’s quite clear since only men are listed wearing it that’s a man clothes thus if you are a woman you can’t wear pants to say for example oh what about women pants etc blurs gender distinction we shouldn’t do that it’s wrong there you go I hope this information will bless you in Jesus name

[@TinaSelftalk]

It doesn’t . The only people who wore pants ( breeches) sometimes were priest to enter the temple. Pants weren’t a thing for men nor ladies.

[@TinaSelftalk]

@@jesusistheonegod4896- This was meant for cross dressing . If you keep reading verse … it talks about mixing linens and not mixing seeds etc . People have to start reading the entire book ( chapters ) and know what was going on during that era. Reminder, tennis were made for men , tights as well, baseball jerseys etc . Yet, ladies wear them 😊

[@maryhelencampos9964]

Linens and wool could not be mix because of attraction to electric magnetic transmitting EMP from the Sun .. study was made

[@hgbarmann]

Long hair and beards .... what next ? preaching the Trinity?

[@checkcheck2125]

That's a huge stretch

[@checkcheck2125]

Sounds manipulitive

[@Jose_hernandez970]

I commend David Bernard’s liberal stance on male grooming. For far too long, the UPCI has held biased and/or inaccurate “standards.” I pray for the UPCI to become more welcoming and accepting of all. Our next huge conversation will be the topic of “holiness standards” that are subjugating to women. I pray for powerful conversations to help foster progress to the UPCI. We have to do better as a church and family to be more welcoming to all of our brothers and sisters.

[@nicktheballer4]

I pray against what you just said in Jesus Name. I rebuke the spirit of the world that is trying to creep into the church. You have to draw the line somewhere and stopping after beards is where we as an organization should stop. Women ought to be dressed in modest apparel.

[@brucemason4597]

If Jesus had a beard, why is it wrong for someone else to have one? 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@linusweber9682]

Complete nonsense. Also, beards and long hair have nothing in common

[@stephenclardy5820]

At the end of the day no matter how you slice this thing, it’s not biblical, and it has nothing to do with your soul. A lot of people know it’s not biblical which means it’s not truth. It doesn’t line up with scripture which is truth. That means you’re sitting there agreeing with a lie. Let’s just be honest about it. Just because it’s a tradition in your church or even a personal conviction, doesn’t make it my tradition ,and definitely not my conviction.

[@kennethrinicker3200]

Beards aren’t the issue, however long hair on men is a huge problem. Why promote it for entertainment purposes?

[@discipleinlight]

Just pitiful. Still preaching against the God given, gender indentifying beard. Thank God the last 2 UPC Churches I was in plenty of men had beards!

[@lateyshasmith8573]

Opp This what happens when the Bible isn’t enough. You have people shaming beards! God create facial hair on men for what? Lol For sin? Looking “clean” don’t make you clean. 🫠

[@MrBrandosauce]

Does this video even have a single thing to say about beards and long hair?

[@ITISTIMEChannel]

Basically the preacher just said about some of the purpose of musical Play at the time

[@treyvitrano2997]

Having a beard is not sin and neither is it gonna keep us out of heaven ,just think back in bible days in Noah's times and even Jesus times do you actually think they had razor blades to shave there face to there skin? No they did not this is a tradition of men which Paul clearly teaches and the Lord to stay away from and not abide by so yes Jesus having a beard should say it all . God bless 🙏

[@kchilz32]

division? hmm

[@kchilz32]

@@jasonregan299I mention it because the upci preach against division but then condemn others if you don’t follow their doctrines

[@Camille-wk9zs]

@@kchilz32yes, they do. Especially the women. Holiness has NOTHING to do with one’s clothing. Dressing modestly, yes. But, telling women they are not Godly women if they wear pants, makeup, jewelry, is a LIE. If ya wanna come back and mention the scripture about “women not wearing that which pertains to a man”, had better keep that scripture in context. Too many scriptures taken outta context for far to long.

[@nicktheballer4]

@@Camille-wk9zsPagans wore jewelry makeup and cross dressed. Look up Sodom and Gomorrah in your Bible. We are supposed to be a peculiar people in every sense of the word. Looking like the world is not the way to be separate. I rebuke that spirit in Jesus Name.

[@aprilmurphy7231]

Why do they want beards and long hair is the question. Its pride and a spirit of self . Why not be holy and separated from the world. God help us. It's a spirit of rebellion creeping into the church. Where is the humility and submission.

[@douglasboyd8475]

Soooooo Jesus had a beard, never trimmed it his entire life. Was it pride? Beards in the Old Testament were a sign of separation and holiness. Do you not know this? Also beards differentiate the sexes. GOD gave men facial hair. If it it weren’t his will he wouldn’t have given it to us.

[@maryhelencampos9964]

Obey GOD rather than man Jesus said... just dialoguing

[@douglasboyd8475]

So your holy and separated if you shave and have a certain haircut? Why don’t we just stick God in a box? Sooooooooo you would have told Jesus Christ he was worldly because of His appearance? Explain to me how having a shaved face and generic hair cut makes one separated and holy? The law of Moses forbids a Jewish man to EVER trim his beard. It’s one of the main ways God differentiates the sexes. Are we not created in the image of our God? If that is true, and it is, who put facial hair on men? God did…. God created men to have facial hair. That is a fact. Jesus had a long, never trimmed beard.

[@Camille-wk9zs]

Being separate from the world has to do with the “FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT “ and how you conduct yourself. Being separate has NOTHING to do with facial hair or hair length. Re-read those scriptures and please, keep them all in context. I had to relearn a lot of stuff. And what I’ve found after really studying those scriptures, is NOT what I was taught, originally.

[@Camille-wk9zs]

@@ChrisJackson-jk6imso, it’s “pastor worship” and not God worship? 😳🙄🤦‍♀️

[@arthurlatham7568]

Jesus had a beard,so that's ok but he say it's shame for a man to have long hair

[@midgie1166]

The Bible says it's a shame for a man to have long hair. But a beard is to be worn short

[@von4774]

It is foolish to act like you can use scripture against beards. However, a church is a corporation and there are secular corporations that the leadership chooses to not allow facial hair because of a decision to have a more clean, classy look. The Yankees don’t allow their players to have it. There are food chains that don’t allow their employees to have it. My opinion is the platform of a church looks cleaner and classier without it and a pastor (CEO) can make the decision for the platform guidelines of the church. It is foolishness to preach against it like you have Bible for it but I wish more pastors would make the decision based on the platform looking extra classy for God

[@Camille-wk9zs]

“Declining attendance”….maybe he needs to truly address the BLATANT child sexual abuse going on that’s NOT being addressed. Telling victims to put it “under the blood” and not smear the church, pastor/pastor wife, ministry, etc. STOP making excuses for the scum in the churches that y’all keep moving around so they can continue to sexually assault more kids under the guise of “doing Gods work”.

[@kennethrinicker3200]

Examples?

[@Camille-wk9zs]

@@kennethrinicker3200 The following is just 1 of the many cases currently going on Mark Allen Blakeney, born March 1, 1970, was arrested October 3, 2023 and charged with three felony charges in Venango County, Pennsylvania. On February 27, 2024, the charges were amended to eight CSA charges. It has been alleged that the victim was hearing impaired and that he had abused her since she was 12 years old. His trial had been set to commence on June 26, 2024. On May 28, 2024, Mark Blakeney plead nolo contendere to 18 § 3122.1 B, Statutory Sexual Assault, a felony of the first degree where the victim is under the age of 16 and the perpetrator is 11 or more years older than the victim. He will not be prosecuted for the remaining seven charges, so it appears he made a plea bargain. With a nolo contendere plea, the person accepts conviction as though a guilty plea had been entered, but they do not admit guilt, and as such the plea cannot be used against him in a civil lawsuit. A pre-sentence investigation was ordered, as well as an assessment under the Sexual Offender Assessment Board (Megan's Law), where I believe he could be deemed a sexually violent predator. Sentencing will be made after these have concluded. I believe the charge has a maximum sentence of 20 years and $25,000 fine. Blakeney has remained in the Venango County Prison since his arrest as he was unable to post the $50,000 bond. Mark Blakeney had been involved with the United Pentecostal Church for many years and at the time of his arrest was a member of New Life Apostolics of Erie County in Erie, a legally affiliated UPCI church. He also used to be a member of Royalwood Church in Houston, Texas, where Ronald Macey is pastor. Since at least 2019, and probably late 2018, he served as the UPCI Deaf Ministry Coordinator for the State of Pennsylvania and was removed from that position last summer. Mark's son, Austen Blakeney, who became a licensed UPCI minister in 2020, made a public post about his father on October 4, 2023, which we previously shared. The following day his mother, Amber Nicole, publicly shared his post as well as some of what she has been going through. She is Mark Blakeney's ex-wife, who was groomed by him starting in her early teen years.

[@Camille-wk9zs]

@@kennethrinicker3200 here’s another one: It has come to our attention that on Friday, May 17, 2024, Joseph Kade Abbott plead guilty to three counts of sexual assault by an authority figure, where criminal charges from two counties in Tennessee were combined (Blount & Sevier). The crimes were against a 14 year old minor. We are happy for this family, that some justice has finally occurred. I have not yet seen any news reports on the case, but Reggie Love, who has kept a close eye on events, reported this yesterday on his profile. Screenshots of his three posts from Sunday are attached and include communication sent by the Apostolic Church Academy to parents. With the criminal cases against Kade Abbott being resolved, the $4.5 million civil lawsuit that was filed against him, First Apostolic Church of Maryville and the Apostolic Church Academy may now proceed. According to the excellent reporting of investigative reporter Tyler Whetstone of Knox News, the lawsuit wants "the church and Abbott to pay the minor a total of $3 million and asked them to pay the parents a total of $1.5 million." The civil lawsuit was filed in Blount County Circuit Court in August 2022, before Abbott was arrested. Abbott was a teacher at the Apostolic Christian Academy, which is operated by the First Apostolic Church of Maryville, an ALJC church (Oneness Pentecostal). Kenneth Carpenter is the pastor of First Apostolic Church of Maryville where Kade worked in their Apostolic Christian Academy. Kenneth Carpenter is also the General Superintendent of the Assemblies of the Lord Jesus Christ. Ministers in the United Pentecostal Church preach there and have invited Carpenter to speak at some of their events, even after these criminal cases and the culture at his church hit the news. Carpenter was a featured speaker at the Louisiana District's Dominion 24 men's conference in April 2024. Besides this ALJC church, Kade Abbott also has long-term ties to the United Pentecostal Church, being a 2019 graduate of Indiana Bible College and attending several of their churches, including Aberdeen First Pentecostal Church in Mississippi. After leaving Carpenter's church, Abbott became involved at the Abundant Life Church in Matthews, North Carolina, a United Pentecostal Church. He then moved to Hamilton, Mississippi (with court permission) and has been attending Abundant Life UPC there.

[@Camille-wk9zs]

@@kennethrinicker3200 Here’s another one that just came across: both he AND his father On May 7, we reported that former United Pentecostal Church minister, Travis Huse, had made a plea agreement to some of his criminal charges. A plea deal is effectively a guilty plea and an acceptance of the allegations. Travis Huse had faced 34 CSA counts in two counties in Wisconsin (Fond du Lac and Langlade). He accepted a plea deal that combined both cases and plead no contest to 12 of these charges. This morning his sentencing hearing was held. Prior to this, character letters were submitted to the court on June 20 and 24. The victims were each permitted to give their statements. Travis also gave a statement off the record. After hearing what each attorney recommended for a sentence, the judge ordered the following: On Count 1- 25 years On Count 9- 20 years On Count 10- 25 years On Count 15- 20 years On Count 16- 25 years On Count 21- 20 years On Count 22- 25 years On Count 28- 20 years On Count 29- 20 years On Count 30- 6 years, 3 initial confinement & 3 years extended supervision; On Count 31- 25 years, 15 years initial confinement & 10 years extended supervision; On Count 32- 25 years, 15 year initial confinement & 10 years extended supervision concurrent to each other. He was given credit for 783 days of time already served. He is not eligible for the Sentencing Alternatives Program or CIB. He must give a DNA sample and must register as a sex offender for the remainder of his life. Travis Huse is to have no contact with the victims, and cannot teach, coach or chaperone anyone under the age of 18 unless they are his own children. He may not possess firearms and he lost his voting rights. Our hearts go out to all the survivors, who have waited a very long time for some form of justice. Now here's to his father, Scott Huse, also a former UPCI minister, receiving a similar sentence later this year.

[@Camille-wk9zs]

@@kennethrinicker3200 Here’s ANOTHER one. Read it and weep. The UPCI is becoming just like the Catholic Church and their UNDER HANDED handling of blatant SEXUAL ABUSE going on. David Bernard will NEVER address it. They’ll just keep moving those disgusting POS to other churches who are too ignorant and blind to what’s going on. On June 9, we reported that Jonathan Ryan Ensey, son of United Pentecostal pastor Randy Ensey in Texas, was denied parole and won't be eligible again until June 2025. Ensey was arrested on October 4, 2019, found guilty and sentenced in March 2022 to four years for indecency with a child and eight years for online solicitation of a minor. We previously shared that on March 1, 2023, the family of Jonathan Ensey's survivor filed a civil lawsuit in the 457th Judicial District Court of Montgomery County against Jonathan Ensey, Randy Ensey, JR Ensey (Randy's father), Living Way Church, the Texas District of the United Pentecostal Church, and the United Pentecostal Church International (Case 23-03-03191). All were later dismissed from the lawsuit except for Jonathan. We also reported that on February 2, 2024, the plaintiff's lawyer filed a motion for the court to abate all proceedings as the matter had been resolved. A $100,000 settlement had been agreed upon and it was agreed that the judgment could not be dischargeable in bankruptcy. On April 17, a proposed agreed final judgement was filed, which I have not seen. Jonathan Ensey and his attorney, Gregory S. Lindley, are now seeking to have the entire civil case sealed. On June 3, they submitted their first motion to seal the records and Lindley claimed that, "I certify that I have spoken to the opposing counsel of this motion, and he is not opposed to the Motion to Seal Court Records in this cause number." A hearing was scheduled for June 21. Apparently things changed and on June 21 they filed a first amended motion to seal the records. (Screenshots are attached.) In that motion it stated, "I hereby certify that on June 21, 2024, Plaintiff’s counsel stated he is opposed to this motion. All prior Defendants’ counsel state they are not opposed to this Motion." I will state that not being opposed to the motion does not necessarily translate to them believing it is needful. For example, UPCI headquarters has been sued in the past, as well as some of their District Boards and I have yet to see them file motions to seal those civil records. Ensey and Lindley are claiming that, "Movant, as well as dismissed parties, have a specific, serious, and substantial interest in preventing the public disclosure of this case’s entire court record because the record contains, personal and private information and allegations relating to the parties in this case. This interest clearly outweighs the presumption of openness and any probable adverse effect the sealing would have on the general public health or safety as the parties’ interest is to close this matter and to protect their privacy. There are no less restrictive means than sealing the records that will adequately and effectively protect each party’s interest." They also stated that, "A necessity exists to permanently seal the courts file to protect the identity and privacy of the parties. Specifically, allegations of ‘sexual assault’ made against Movant were not a part of his criminal trial and no testimony was provided that Movant engaged in any conduct meeting the definition of sexual assault under Texas law." I see no compelling need to seal everything in the lawsuit. Of course the Ensey families see it differently as they have supported Jonathan throughout, with his parents believing the victim was also to blame for what happened. If there is personal information in any document, such as addresses, these can easily be redacted from any individual court filing. This civil lawsuit has already been a public record for two years and many are already aware of who was included in the lawsuit. Once the information is out there, people know and with all that has been involved in this case and the criminal one, they are not going to stop talking and sharing information. A hearing on this motion is scheduled for July 26, 2024. Ensey is requesting that the courtroom be closed to the public for the hearing, even though their public notice of this motion states it will be held in open court. In addition it is stated that, "Any person may intervene and be heard on the sealing of court records." In the initial filing they did not request that the courtroom be closed to the public. When I looked into having a civil case sealed, I read a little about what happens when a criminal case is sealed. In a criminal case, that person could legally deny their arrest, the case itself and the order of non-disclosure. This is incredulous to me unless a case was overturned. My guess is that the same would be true if a civil lawsuit is sealed. If so, the Ensey families, and especially Jonathan, should not be afforded such protection. This entire family “victim blaming” is appalling. They all should be ashamed of themselves. God is watching EVERYTHING that goes on. Especially those who hide the crimes and DON’T report. They’ll also get their just desserts in the end.

[@nicholassoleil9457]

male lions

[@MissRushinator]

Buy costume wigs...don't sacrifice your walk with God or your beliefs for a play.

[@nicktheballer4]

THIS

[@Dbgrasshopper33]

Speaking in tongues are human languages., not gibberish

[@maryhelencampos9964]

There’s also the “unknown tongue/language” where you speak Mysteries unto GOD for self edification building your self up in the Holy Ghost ( 1Cor)

[@Camille-wk9zs]

I’ll bet if they ALL go back and study the history of the upc movement, which was the last 120 something years, they’ll see that parham/Seymour were wrong. Parham wanted to experience what the book of acts had. He and group of students went somewhere and tried to “speak in tongues” like book of Acts. However, the natives couldn’t understand a word they were saying. It wasn’t a “Holy Ghost” breakout like they hoped it would be. They came back defeated and couldn’t understand what happened. Seymour decided to start this whole Azusa street thing. It got out of hand. Parham himself even said “it was ALL man made “emotionalism” and discredited the whole thing. But, others decided to feed off it and therefore the modern Holy Ghost revival started. All from a LIE. That’s where we are today. Another thing, about Charles Parham: he was a child sexual predator, who preyed on young boys.

[@KingJames4life]

Cult

[@thecomingstorm9327]

UPCI General Conference 2022 Why are you pastors calling themselves GOD? Your pastors have no authority to steal God's name and take the place of GOD. Psalm 111:9 He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant for ever: holy and *reverend is his name* Pentecostalism is pagan by the way.

[@maryhelencampos9964]

There must be a Hugh misunderstanding/ UPCI does not promote Godhood status like New Age/Mormonism/Unification Church to Name a few that teach it ... just dialoguing

[@maryhelencampos9964]

BTW: The Church was born on the day of Pentecost /Acts 2 were Pentecostalism is rooted ... Now Babylonian Religion is paganistic to the core ... Where the One World Religion (NWO) derives its roots. Just dialoguing

[@sherigoodremont3823]

Women wearing dresses is nowhere in the Bible…modesty is…they take a scripture in the Old Testament and make it New Testament…it’s not… no where in the Bible does it say that a woman must wear a dress. This is the UPC eyes on organizations rule. Yes Jesus wants people to be holy, but it is not a dress that makes them wholly. It is not address that makes them separate. That is their organizational rule that they set. It is not biblical. It’s their way of making themselves more superior than anyone else. Or at least thinking they are.

[@midgie1166]

Deut. 22:5

[@andreamichelle1]

​@midgie1166 The pagan nations that they were going to defeat cross dressed in pagan worship. The men would dress like women and the women like men. So they were being instructed to not cross dress. This scripture has nothing to do with pants that hadn't even been invented yet.

[@midgie1166]

@@andreamichelle1 I said Deut.22:5. I never said anything about pants. Take it how ever way you want to.

[@maryhelencampos9964]

We are in the World but not of the World (World System)...The LORD is not interested in High Fashion Dresses/come as you are ( modesty is still the best policy)

[@Camille-wk9zs]

@@midgie1166study that IN CONTEXT and who it was being addressed to. It was referring to folks going to battle/war, if I recall. You must keep things in context. The problem with UPCI/APOSTOLIC and other type organizations, is they take so many scriptures out of context and come up with MAN MADE rules.