BEDMAN? - First Reactions and Impressions (Guilty Gear Strive)

[@cristianotsurudaprocopio8757]

All his follow up attacks emulate the properties from the original attack, just with different animations. Like, the animation is different, but speed, trajectory, number of hits, etc is all based off of the originating special. 236P is a fast long range projectile with minor homing properties and so is the follow up. The most glaring disparity is on 236S, but pay attention to the trajectory and number of hits, and you'll see that if you just swapped the explosion animation for a shadow version of the character doing the 236S animation, it would match. Animation aside, I think the follow ups are all treated as projectiles for mechanical purposes (probably can be flicked by Potemkin, bypassed by projectile invulnerability or eaten up by bigger projectiles), but are otherwise identical to their special move counterpart. tl;dr: It is basically a remix of the Deja Vú mechanic, with unique animations for the follow ups instead of a shadow repeating the move. And instead of the moves being planted on the stage like traps, they originate from your character. EDIT: It seems like Bedman? has something similar to the old 8-way dash, you can kinda see it in the Chipp clip in this demonstration (after challenging Chipp air-to-air spamming what seems to be it's j.P, he apparently stops for a moment and comes down diagonally) and in the reveal trailer too. Didn't see it double jumping or use the standard air dash, just the weird stall in the air and moving diagonally down/forward, so it may not be "8-way" anymore tho.

[@ylfmsozora]

Ooh, on Call 4B9 (the head explosion one, 236H), the follow-up Error 6E projectile even inherits the damage of the charged version it looks like. The timing is the same as regular, but it chunks more hp. That's a pretty interesting property to have for sure.

[@androgynousaardvark7415]

I like that special moves names like "error" and "malfunction" ensure that no matter how powerful Bedman? actually is, it will always be officially broken.

[@braijinfgc2859]

I'm interested to see error 6E's interaction with throw and backdash. Also, if it's possible to get a combo from throw into followup or raw followup, how scaled it is.

[@deluxegolem4012]

In the first trailer we can see Bedman back dashing while the exploding head follow up is going out, not sure how throw would work I imagine it would probably delay the timer

[@LegateSprinkles]

I would imagine if you time it right it would be similar to how GL will use throw and drone

[@mr.maximum5271]

Bedman's install super is very interesting. I wonder if the install super: - Increases Bedman's defense or guts since the person in the video mentions the install increasing bedman's "defensive power" - Gives enhanced specials and error state followups other properties, specifically guard crush - Increases the reversal super's power If you didn't have time to test that, it's cool. Just some things I had on my mind after watching the starter guide

[@lucaslennan3356]

Ideas for his special names 236P: Spike Follow Up: Spark 236S: Spin Follow Up: Bomb 236HS: Slap Follow Up: Head 214P: Instant 214K: Delay (these 2 will probably be used as modifiers to other special moves so they don't really need names)

[@1000Tomatoes]

236s is referred to as beyblade in Xrd so people will probably use that. Bomb is ambiguous because it could refer to 236H or head explosion as well. I suggest barrage. Slap could also refer to the overhead down slam command normal (I'm assuming). I don't have a suggestion for this one.

[@LeFisheboi]

@@1000Tomatoes nago 214HS stole beyblade

[@tengunano9417]

Instant head

[@viablezombie9419]

while short names are nice, they would not make sense for bedman to have used, long names would be more accurate or more code language would be better, bad for memory but better for design.

[@lucaslennan3356]

@@viablezombie9419 I'm only talking about shorthand nicknames.

[@baltharaaz9847]

One of things I'm testing out immediately is instant error 6e (call 0x$0.20) kara install super. It's shown in the guide that you can install _right_ before error 6e goes off and it will empower it. If you can trigger the error with kara super, it will be *extremely* easy to install as the error will cover you. If the error is also _empowered,_ he's going to have some degenerate offense after setting up an error 6e. It also seems like there's some recovery to the install, so you'll need to have a pending error 6e to cover yourself anyway.

[@thurowaway]

From what I've seen, even though the animations are different, they made the error followups similar if not the same in terms of frame data. For example, the spike is a fast homing projectile, so is the followup. The same with 236H guard crush, the head bomb followup also guard crushes

[@6bgHateAccount]

Something kinda interesting is that the follow ups actually mimic deja vu a lot more than at first glance; all of the follow ups are very similar to their original specials. Spike’s follow up is another tracking projectile, spin’s is a traveling multihit, and arm’s is a guard crush with slow startup.

[@colinhay1666]

LOVE this type of video. I've been looking for this kind of thing from a content creator for each DLC for a while. 👍👍👍

[@Nooctae]

Here's a few basic ideas to check : - Is anything related to Bedman old run mechanic there. Does the bed have a regular dash ? Does it have the really good walk speed foward and back ? - Is 2H a low ? ( because holy shit that move ) - In general, some info about his normals would be good. I like a lot about the potential of this character's specials, but feeling like slow and bad normals might be really problematic.

[@TheDuckofLaw]

Thanks for this rundown - looks pretty cool.

[@Zman7981]

Could you check and see if the auto follow up would work during his back dash, as well as if you can treat the follow up attack like HC doing Whiff button -> gunshot to cover?

[@sladevalen]

As someone who's complained since launch that I could never find a character that was interesting to me, I finally have to take that back.

[@davidwilkinson4634]

I'm sorry but if you can't find a hero you like in guilty gear of all games that's a major you problem

[@sladevalen]

@@davidwilkinson4634 strive is the only one I have an issue with. Accent core has Justice, Robo-Ky and Venom. Xrd has Venom, Dizzy, and Ramethal. Noone in strive got my attention anywhere near what those characters did in the past games

[@karue7581]

This character is so fucking cool

[@finallyanime]

my question is are the immediate followups air tight, useable for every special & at least safe if not positive. tbh im a bit slow sometimes with certain mechanics and a bit confused so a more indepth mini-guide would be dope

[@nago7246]

The name of the old spin was Task B

[@erichbauer3991]

the powered up follow ups will probably grant you a super knockdown after wallbreak as well(if theyre generally treated as supers), that'd be interesting to find out. Anyways as a bedman liker I'm super excited for him, the way they simplified him is super elegant.

[@kyleflournoy7730]

They did say this is how it works, int he trailer

[@xxNightxTrainxx]

They specified it does that

[@Acryte]

good catch

[@erichbauer3991]

@@kyleflournoy7730 iirc they said it wall breaks like a super but that could also mean it just wallbreaks at any wall health amount like a super but with a normal knockdown

[@evilded2]

I'm a big fan of plus on block guard crush moves

[@ErrorGaming64]

His backdash looks good. I cant wait to see how his airdash works with backdash brc

[@idkkkkk5194]

Her*

[@pancakes7483]

​ it's just both It's Delilah and bedman so it doesn't matter who you call

[@plain7439]

​@@idkkkkk5194 it*

[@Gresdak]

Edit: Actually I’m more curious about the install after talking to friends. Approx time duration, meter gain penalty, can you refresh the install while it’s active are my big questions. If you have a chance I’m curious if you can create auto timed oki just off the malfunction 6e follow up. I’m assuming yes and that’s what it’s mostly for but that seems so gross bc of the way throws interact with guard crush lol. Good luck at EVO JP this weekend!!

[@joeqiao1691]

I like them! Gonna try it out, although I'm a noob and he seems technical so there's a lot to learn

[@joeqiao1691]

@@naw613 yeah I've only made it to floor 10 thanks to Ram's knowledge checks, if I can figure something out with Bedman that could work, my worry is that he looks like a 2 step neutral character that is not straightforward. I'm real bad at those types of characters. I'm determined though, time to put in the effort!

[@dev_ilmoon]

@@naw613 nah they're pretty complicated, for both the fighter and the opponent. You'll need to keep a mental timer of the delay, and then if they decide to delay it longer, keep that in mind as well.

[@LoLiTRiNX]

@@dev_ilmoon Apply more pressure than he does you should be fine

[@dev_ilmoon]

@@LoLiTRiNX it’s always easier said than done when your fighting for your life😂

[@zabatasd9461]

Kudos to you for still uploading content even thought you are on japan rn

[@zippyhealer]

Could you check if prc'ing your special move early in the animation still gives you the follow up?

[@aganaom1712]

if it's a matchup where night raid is a legitimately viable approach threat, then i don't hate it not happy about that guard crush tho

[@cyberneticant6813]

I wonder whether all of his movement tools are the same as in xrd. That would mean that his walk speed is more like a run, his forwards dash gives him a guard point and teleports behind the enemy when a move has been avoided and of course as mentioned his 8-way dash.

[@lograndfun2655]

If you can at EvoJapan, can you check if error 6E follows up from raw dust or even grab? I feel like this would strongly impact his potential. Also what would be more interesting to see is if all error 6E follow ups are air OK. I feel like this would also help mix and give him very stylish combos if he could bomb drop from the air and land on a guard crushed opponent.

[@DeadbeatShadows]

Still waiting for Slayer, but I'll try him and maybe screw around at locals and online a bit. Seems fun

[@jameskub5609]

Now they just need to drop Badmans track and we can all be happy

[@pabloarammasmanian5391]

In the Chip fight after he does air P he air dash after so looks like same air mobility for me

[@kkaerruu]

Thanks for the video, LK. Since you mentioned requests, could you possibly check to see if the install is plus on activation in a string (like HC concentration super when in strings)

[@KeatenRussell]

Main thing I wanna know is if you can use the 8-way dash as a mixup as the follow-up moves are coming out. Similar how Zato does to do j.D or airdash down>2K while eddie is doing pressure.

[@anthonyscott6460]

Can you check if (jump cancellable normal) into TK Call 4B3 is decent in pressure? and also If you cancel a longer recovery normal like 5H into Call 0x$1.00(the follow up delay special) are you plus?

[@mtgbigdog5984]

10:00 in the bedman? trailer, they show they 8 way airdash, so yes, that will be a thing

[@goblingoo8061]

I’m interested that in the reveal trailer, they showed a bedslam adjacent move, and I’m curious where that shows up in his kit with him not having it as a special

[@skbj6782]

it seems like Bedman has full movement control during an error 6e follow up, so i’m assuming it’s going to be possible to setup a situation where you can auto time the oki and still be able to block reversals.

[@ethanhinton4549]

Another application I thought off is to either time a follow up to hit after 236H or time a move to come out right after the 236H follow-up to combo off the guard crush without RC'ing, essentially making it a meterless unblockable.

[@jasonslade6259]

@@ethanhinton4549 From the fist clip with bed doing 236P, it looks as if doing another special move will reset the timer for when the ERROR followups occur. So I don't think it would go off during a special move in any situation. However it seems like either his 2H or 6H (not sure which) is a forward advancing multihit normal and you could probably time the Error followup to give you big plus frames during it, or on hit give you a juggle state that you can combo from.

[@RapunzelRed]

The follow ups are gonna allow for some crazy cool combos. The thing I’m curious about is if you do a special and then instal super, is the follow up move the normal one, or is it the super version?

[@BlackOni]

I absolutely hated bedman in xrd, but they seem a lot more reasonable to deal with now. It remains to be seen if that's true or not

[@striderzer0]

I wonder if the error 6e trigger will be for the 1st special you do or the last when the timer is up IE you do 4BA then 4B9 , will you shoot the second 4BA projectile or the 4B9, Also would doing a second move reset the timer?

[@NxLevelMapler]

Personally, I want to know if you can enter 6e state while a follow up is on screen. In the install state, they break the wall with the powered up spin but if you could reapply 6e with the fireball or spin while the wall is breaking, will the follow up let you lock them down with a meaty charged guard crush into rc shenanigans?

[@michaeligwe6283]

I would like to ask for 3 things to be checked. 1) I assume not but can follow ups be stacked? 2) If not what happens if you do a different special move while still in Error6E state? 3) Can you do the timing special moves before the attack special moves and steal have them affect the timing accordingly for the follows up done after?

[@HellecticMojo]

We've seen it reset everything completely per special in the video.

[@GenericSoda]

I'm most interested in finding out about what kind of ground movement Bedman? has. The teleport-looking backdash is gone, and nothing has been shown of the guard-point dash. What I'm most curious about is if he's like Nago or Pot with no forward step option.

[@BeesKneesMan]

If the follow ups act as supers, I wonder what that means for bursts. Like if it becomes easier or harder to burst. You'll know which moves can't be bursted. Also I wonder if the combo scaling will be crazy because I don't think super damage can be scaled below 20%

[@liambarahona4813]

really interested to see if he still has his old air throw, was one of my favorites in xrd

[@fajitaeatah2115]

I wanted you to check about bedman's walk speed. Did they change it into his dash or does he still have the odd dashes? Additionally check to see if he still has his crawl.

[@richardjohnson8991]

still has the weird 8 way air dash. they showed it in the announcement trailer

[@fajitaeatah2115]

@@richardjohnson8991 I was reffering to grounded movement. I already know he has the 8 way dash still.

[@memorabiliatemporarium2747]

Since e6e vanishes on block, you can already eliminate Berman as a counter zoner to HC. Thank god. 😊

[@Ven-xj8qx]

I wonder if you can do multiple install-powered follow-ups within a single install.

[@UnbreakableDoof]

Probably was already gonna check this, but I'm most curious on a few things. Does the install super last long enough to reasonably get 2 HKD wall breaks off of it? Can you combo into install and keep the combo going? When cancelling into the install super and 214K, can you make yourself plus after specific normals?

[@KingAfrica4]

At 9:57 it looked like the install was plus considering the bed backdashed before the button came out

[@UnbreakableDoof]

@@KingAfrica4 could be, but I don't think the ram dummy was doing reversal timing and want to be sure.

[@lagc5103]

​@@KingAfrica4 yeah idk if you can do that with 214K but the install it looks like a yes

[@pancakes7483]

You're asking the main important questions and I like it lol, we need to know this actually.

[@PinkLemonInc]

All of the move names are so wild it's hilarious

[@Iguessimhere154]

You probably have it on your list, but a quick preview plus thoughts of gbvs rising would be great to see

[@crossfire340]

While in Japan, if you could check if Bedman's got the sauce, that'd be great.

[@Biggleboff]

They didn't outright show it, but I wonder how 236H works on block if you charge it? I can already see how disgusting it could be to time the 236S malfunction and use the blockstun from that to fully charge 236H.

[@leevaughngraves1069]

Does the little girl do anything? Is she just there to add situational visual noise and occassionally cover up the animation for a follow up?

[@KonoDmaxda]

Um, actually, doesn't a clean hit scalpel pull follow up attack break the wall automatically, no matter what health the wall is at?

[@Time2GoHam1995]

For testing, After the opponent gets guard crushed by 236HS, try grab or run up grab. Will the follow up hit the opponent during the grab for a combo?

[@bt_11]

I'm curious about the duration on 214P and K. If they can be used in blockstrings and combos freely or if that's something to look for on defense and punsih

[@tonynguyen6639]

Can you test is doing another special move reset error 6E and store a new move ?

[@superserg4763]

I'm curious if Bedman is as big as Nago or Pot. Hurtbox wise, I don't know if he's got a little bit of disjointed hurtbox near the top of his head, so it would be cool to know

[@redacted4166]

Am curious how long the install super lasts because we don’t see it end in the starter guide

[@hakumenx1]

If Faust gives Bedman an Afro and Bedman does the move where he pops his head off... Does the Afro enhance his head explosion? Does it get rid of the Afro?

[@nicky7685]

I wonder if you break the wall with a special, if the error state persists when you land afterwards. If his walk speed is slow im gonna be sad.

[@pizzaturtles5128]

I wonder how many error 6e moves you can get off during the install super, and if activating the follow ups early with .2 makes them weaker or do less damage or changes the follow-ups properties. Because if bedman? can loop that guard crush followup that'd be insanity lmfao

[@banjospiegel]

that is definitely a great video... to an extent.

[@DragynFyre12]

I'm actually think it would be a good buff to DI Ky to get the treatment of every attack counting as OD for a wallbreak

[@SpaceCowboy1627]

I think that would kind of screw up his corner pressure though. Imagine everytime any special you use hits near the wall, it breaks the wall. You may not want that, and continuing corner pressure may be preferable.

[@DragynFyre12]

@@SpaceCowboy1627 I guess, but there's a lot of characters who just break the wall for the damage and positive bonus. It's not all about wall slumps/corner resets. Tbh I think the Bed will do well with positive since RC-ing a special move will lead to a free followup which I'm sure will be mix. I'm kinda scared that the 236S followup with all those explosions will lead to my least favorite kind of mix: the kind where you can't see what's happening on screen so you can't see what to block lol

[@SpaceCowboy1627]

@DragynFyre you are right, and I think in Beds case, breaking the wall will be best most of the time. I'm excited by what I see in the trailer, and I think bed may be a strong contender for my my new maim. I can't wait to see what sort of tech emerges

[@HellecticMojo]

You can make every special instant kill and Ky players still won't use dragon install because it's the activation requirement that's too difficult of a sell. 30% health as a trigger is just too hard of a sell on a character with no major health mods like Potemkin with defense and health or Anji with guts.

[@mrbusinessfgc]

What does your new character checklist consist of?

[@TheJbrown60]

my question is what the animation bedman looks like throwing another bedman. the nerd shit can wait tbh

[@dealerofdeth]

Check for his innvini-dash from Xrd

[@Kongming-gg6uu]

Wondering if the install wearing off leaves Bedman vulnerable like old Sol Dragon Install or if it just disappears without any fanfare.

[@Shione_Starlight]

Probably just goes away. This seems like something they would address in the showcase

[@Beastmode-db2wn]

Can you check the amount of command normals he has at evo??

[@AoAD]

The fact auto error 6e seems to go off independently makes the bed way scarier. Looks very interesting

[@rampant1apart]

Yeah none of the follow ups seem to involve any animations that would involve an attacking limb, so there's nothing stopping the follow up explosions, spark, or head bomb from happening while any other action is going off. That's going to get really interesting for pressure.

[@lilliangoulston5706]

It feels like this character really struggles on defense - the whole kit is offense-focused, and Error 6e is cleared when blocking. If Bedman doesn't have 50 tension for reversal super or YRC, they're pretty screwed. Bedmirrors are gonna be sooooooo volatile though. Winner of RPS gets to play more RPS

[@uniquename6925]

He ain't even out yet 😂

[@kevingriffith6011]

He's going to struggle on defense about as much as everyone else who doesn't have a meterless DP, I think. I don't see how he's any different from other characters whose gimmick really can't be used on defense (which is... I think everybody?). The only way to really judge his defense against the rest of the cast is going to be his buttons, and if he lacks a quick button to mash out of a bad situation with then yeah his defense isn't going to be stellar. That being said, he *will* have some of the best space control in the game, advantages of being able to control more than one section of the screen at the same time with his follow-ups.

[@CodeTetsu]

But in Xrd if you hit him or the symbol you would also lose access to the follow up. Not sure how this is much different.

[@spunk3787]

I tried counting frame by frame, and I THINK bed maybe has a 4f 2p

[@BoomerangKuwanger12]

Just one request to check - I'm trying to see those taunt/respect animations please 🙏🙏

[@JaimeAGB-pt4xl]

Auto-Dejavu 😂 ... The cancel for the error state does give for room for mind games though Ps: Jack-O is still baby Venom

[@kevingriffith6011]

I'm interested in seeing what happens if you use a special while you've got a follow-up already loaded: does the special move overwrite the next follow-up? Do they stack up on top of eachother and execute in sequence? Do specials that normally give a follow-up just... not do that when you already have a follow-up loaded? I feel like the answer to this is probably the most important bit of information we can get.

[@skbj6782]

it overwrites the previous one and starts the error sequence over again. around 3:21 in this vid you can see Bedman do 2 beyblades in a row and it demonstrates this behavior.

[@kevingriffith6011]

@@skbj6782 That actually makes it much less interesting, but probably more fair in the long run... of course I'm assuming the frame data on his beyblade, but this 100% stops you from doing beyblade into error follow-up to skip neutral and be plus. (Which, admittedly, would be really degenerate, but at least he'd be telegraphing it with his other specials to set up the approach)

[@skbj6782]

true, but with fast RC you can probably neutral skip with the beyblade into a powerful offensive situation because you’ll have an error 6e on deck after the RC. I’m also thinking there’s going to be some crazy oki setups that are completely safe for bedman since it looks like you have full control when an error 6e follow up happens (unless triggered manually). I think his whole thing will be relentless and creative offense based around error 6e mind games, heavily punishing opponents for guessing wrong. if he can setup meterless combos from a throw…oh man.

[@degen7278]

I'm interested in his projectile game. Aside from testament, projectiles feel weaker than they should in strive for most characters. Hopefully, he allows for varied play and some zoning/footsie engagement. Also looking forward to downloading a mod to remove Delilah, she's annoying visual noise to a scary character.

[@crazykid1325]

The automatic timing is 118f

[@peerlessvillain]

bruh his install super makes all his followups give wall break hkd???

[@mayonaise146]

hes gonns be so cool

[@Catzillator]

He wake up and now become puppet fighter like Carl Clover?

[@pedrohenrique-db3xd]

More like Celica Mercury

[@nugieboys]

H follow up as a meaty projectile

[@rozzmillions2550]

They should call him Manbed now

[@nkirmath8621]

One thing I want you to check is if Delilah has any different damage value when she is near bedman? like, does the bed deal more or less damage near her, and the same goes for if he takes more or less damage.

[@bdoom361]

does Delilah not do anything?

[@Inkastar-tz8yd]

she has no control of her powers so the bed protects her

[@MidWestWolf1985]

She doesnt have any effect on gameplay, shes just a visual effect

[@GarethXL]

from how the character works he might be top tier best character even depending on 2 factors can different errors stack and how long does the install last

[@The_Meev]

They do not stack

[@oyoyoyo7624]

Cool

[@feelingfuzzied9942]

yeah, check if sin still sucks :D

[@nkirmath8621]

I think the 236 hs is also a standing low since they had sol crouch block, idk how many other low guard crushes there are, so no one should sleep on the bed 😂💀

[@richardjohnson8991]

lmao still crying about guard crush. It ain't goin anywhere homie might as well accept it

[@noboty4168]

See if Delilah actually does anything.

[@paz8723]

Just wait give it a second goddamn

[@actuallynotsteve]

That first projectile is way too fast

[@LordCrimson78]

Wasted slot

[@lilliangoulston5706]

No Johns

[@Aeirion]

It's always the kids with the bad takes

[@akasajian]

Wise use of slot

[@LordCrimson78]

have fun waiting another year for anyone REALLY cool

[@rare9242]

@@LordCrimson78 Asuka literally comes out next month bro, he has literal airforces hes dope