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[@anniet6292]

I am reading your jon benet ramsey series like potato chips. I cannot stop! Very well done indeed.

[@sharonmartin5051]

Can't stop with just one ?

[@anniet6292]

@@sharonmartin5051 i try

[@sharonmartin5051]

@@anniet6292 Good analogy. Can't remember the brand that used that line in commercials. Maybe Lays ?

[@anniet6292]

@@sharonmartin5051 i think you may be right!!

[@TCRS]

Pringles.

[@bambam841ify]

One of the biggest things I can't get out of my mind after all these years. During the 911 call Patsy says "im THE mother" To me that just resonates she is working off of a kind of script like her and John had to put together a storyline. A mother with an actual kidnapped daughter would have responded "I'm HER Mother"

[@bills6093]

"I'm the mother" is pretty common when the daughter is the center of attention, I think. At pageants, when the child is the star, "I'm the mother /I'm the father" would be a normal expression, imo.

[@dakotablueskies]

There’s also distancing language later on, “ I loved that child”.

[@danmcn61]

Plus she also said "We have a kidnapping" rather than the more direct "My daughter has been kidnapped"

[@bambam841ify]

@@danmcn61 Exactly

[@Fawn91193]

"The mother." As if no other mother had ever existed. Narcissism.

[@karenengelhardt1610]

Your ability to take evidence, fact, opinion, emotion and supposition and present everything in a way that makes sense is absolutely wonderful. I appreciate you so much.

[@kaybrown4010]

Well said.

[@TCRS]

Thanks Karen.

[@treasurecassidy6357]

@@TCRS Could the parents have told Burke to stay in bed those hours because there was evidence of some kind hidden with Burke under the blankets ? Then the evidence might have been concealed under coats before they left.

[@pathough2100]

Yes!

[@MandiMomOf8Channel]

*I really hope someday Jonbenet gets justice ❤️*

[@JBthree24]

That’s been lost with all of the red theories.

[@hallelujah969]

She will. It's called Judgement Day.

[@jacquelinejacobson6789]

She will. After John dies.

[@MandiMomOf8Channel]

@@jacquelinejacobson6789 Why after John dies?

[@simplysmile712]

No fingerprints on the ransom letter would make sense if Patsy was the author..her close friends whom she called over on December 26 would have probably recognized the author’s handwriting and style. An example is that when I receive a letter in the mail from a friend, sometimes I know from their distinct writing who addressed it.

[@sharonmartin5051]

Except for the fact that she said she read it so there would have been fingerprints on it. Whoever wrote it must have had gloves on.

[@jeremywalters2205]

@karen campbell hi Burke

[@lenwelch2195]

Do you think any of her close friends would go to the police if they thought the handwriting is even close to patsys. I’m not a trained handwriting expert and I can see definite characteristics similar to patsy’s handwriting. I compared mine and mine isn’t close at all and I write clearly and was trained cursive in first and second grade. Many of the character is of the printing follow what was taught in school before 1972.

[@MsBackstager]

@@lenwelch2195 I recently heard that Patsy could write with both hands -- so she could have changed hands to sort of disguise her print. There were some written expressions that PR used plus the $118,000 which was close to John's recent work bonus!!!!

[@LMoon20]

I think Patsy’s house says a lot about her in general. Beautiful on the outside and disordered and essentially a mess in the background. She liked to give off a perfect facade but I think she was crumbling in the background.

[@janetsavona7590]

Its obvious She was a Prima Donna To low if a task to clean the inside of the house

[@Wysteria-Whisper]

She had house keepers etc so there is that wonder about her and everything surrounding her❔

[@Wysteria-Whisper]

@@jdr9419 She just didn't want to do it,,,,,,wasn't worth her while like her other interests (pageants) + (open house)❔

[@Wysteria-Whisper]

There is this situation with the police who just might have done a few things like throw clothes on the floor and move things around, took things apart and then left them like that. Then they took pics, so all these messes might be the police doings ❔

[@Wysteria-Whisper]

@Loretta Moon, Sometimes I think they were in a growing apart area in their marriage. I noticed John did not comfort Patsy in any of those interviews. She was really so bad in a grievous state it was very noticeable by the audience, John just held his own and ignored Patsy as she was crying and scrambling for words.

[@bills6093]

"Okay, we've called the police, now what?" seems like the very definition of "rehearsed".

[@dawndawson1448]

Why does no one seem to notice the very strange exchange between John and Patsy during one of their first interviews. Patsy Ramsy is crying and seems like she is extremely medicated, but she says..."keep your babies close to you"! As she says that, John, not even looking directly at Patsy, turns toward her and mouths exactly what she says, as she says it. Almost as if he programmed her to say that and forgot he was mouthing exactly what she said at the exact same time. How did he know that she would say that? That should have immediately raised red flags but no one seemed to notice or talk about it for that matter.

[@honeybee6858]

I think it’s weird how JR kept looking her when she talked like he was seeing if she was acting the right way or making sure she wasn’t messing up something . All the basement and movie relations make me think cult , oh Colorado too

[@ralsharp6013]

Dawn, John not in the camera frame when Patsy says that ! The evidence has to be correct, or it won't stick🧐 link below.. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXKpnoGXpdCjnLM

[@serenawilliams6138]

I caught that years ago and still think that exchange was VERY suspicious. He clearly was mouthing the words-and that couldn’t be entirely coincidental.

[@serenawilliams6138]

@@bethryan9077 If you’ve seen their awkward exchange, it was undoubtedly strange and atypical. However, no-I don’t think that couples need to have scripted responses or mouth what they want the other to say on camera.

[@serenawilliams6138]

@@bethryan9077 If you did see it and think that it’s normal -I beg to differ, and agree to disagree. If you didn’t see it then you can’t know how strange it seemed at the time and it has since been edited out of the interview, which is a red flag in and of itself.

[@ThreeorMore209]

Remember Occam’s Razor: “The simplest explanation is usually the right one.” Or - Who writes a 3-page ransom “letter” after killing the victim and hiding her in the basement?

[@tphvictims5101]

@@bethryan9077 so many hands with blood on them

[@Alice77550]

I started this series with an open mind but perhaps more inclined toward the intruder theory being true, simply because I’ve only heard the story from the intruder aspect. The intruder theory now seems absurd for many reasons which you have outlined in great detail and in a very watchable format.

[@Fawn91193]

I once believed that, too. Not anymore.

[@TheCoolOwen]

I was on the same path too. And knowing Burke was spearing feces all over Jon Benet’s items, that was NOT a “normal” family.

[@SPORT2932]

I would think police would have found traces of pinneapple juice on her fingers if she had grabbed a piece. Plus considering how messy the house was I can see the pinneapple being on the table from the prior day.

[@kaybrown4010]

I’m glad to have joined Patreon to get the full scoop. It’s worth it to hear Nick’s thought provoking analyses.

[@TCRS]

Good to have you with us, Kay ;-)

[@blueeyedscorpio7]

Ya, I hope to join soon to get the full scoop too! I have only one more video & then I've watched all the videos on this case!

[@kaybrown4010]

@@TCRS In which order do you recommend that I read your books? I downloaded Kindle to do just that.

[@Alisha73nana]

Wow if only I could afford it

[@Alisha73nana]

I really think he’s a money hungry taking others grief for his gain

[@grannyrice8983]

I agree with you I cannot imagine in my wildest dreams that the ramseys would have used trash bags to put clothes in to take the airport for traveling. I've been to the airport many times traveling and I've never ever seen anybody using trash bags to carry luggage type things. Very weird!

[@honey420luv]

totally agree! esp if they were wealthy!

[@lorio5003]

that is interesting. is it because the main suitcase was in the basement used as a boost through the window? possibly to contain a body? was that suitcase ever tested for evidence? were there other suitcases? the only thing i can think of regarding trash bags and clothes is when you clean up quickly, store clothes, or plan to donate them

[@MsBackstager]

It was their own private plane so many that's how they packed. But I agree -- strange indeed.

[@cocosurgerow]

Using duffle or laundry type bags would make more sense for small plane travel

[@nataliegist2014]

Although my mom had Luggage she often used plastic bags. But not to the airport, but they didn’t own there own plain.

[@ziggypop8106]

Off topic: Anyone interested in the Delphi case? Two teenagers killed out on a walk. LE have a video, some audio, DNA and fingerprints but still nothing resolved. Creepy bridge and setting. Hate to say but I'd forgotten about it till a vid popped up yesterday. Anniversary will be 4 years tomorrow. Might be one for TCRS to get his teeth into?

[@jo72257]

Im obsessed with it. its only hour and 15 min from where I live. What kind of brazen killer abducts not one but 2 teenage girls in daylight with other people walking the trail that could be in ear or eye shot with houses around also and then murders them? very brazen. There are lots of rumors but the police did say the killer left signatures. The fact that Libby was brave and scared enough to capture a picture and voice of the killer and no arrest is just heartbreaking.

[@ziggypop8106]

@Joda Barta Yes it is totally bizarre. He must've threatened them with a weapon or else how could a podgy, middle aged bloke overpower two healthy young girls? It's just so sinister, the bridge, the video, the audio, it's scary. Poor girls. Have you seen the sheriff interview, he's a joke?

[@jo72257]

@@ziggypop8106 YES, actually the whole HLN episode told me nothing new. there are thoughts he had a gun and a knife. I dont like him personally but Grey Hughes had a very good profiler on the other day, on you- tube she made some interesting observations about the killer that Ive never heard before. you should check it out.

[@ziggypop8106]

@Joda Barta Will do. Is Grey Hughes the YT channel? Sorry I'm not from US :)

[@ziggypop8106]

I found him, thanks

[@janecooper1425]

In the U.K. the definition of murder is determined by the case of Hyam v DPP 1976 -and essentially this case says that you don’t have to desire that your actions will cause death but if your actions are so obviously going to cause risk of serious injury or death then you are guilty of murder. So I believe in the UK that if you garrotte a child of six, you would be convicted of murder and not manslaughter.

[@ziggypop8106]

No intent, I've always thought this was a macabre, chldish 'game' gone wrong. Mise en scene, new phrase, thanks ☺️

[@dfkuz]

My thoughts too.

[@zensbleexperience3470]

I know I had never heard that before and I love it

[@franceskajacobs2766]

I agree death by accident and parents tried to cover it up to save Burke

[@ziggypop8106]

@Beth Ryan. No offence but if I want to read chapter and verse I'll buy a book about the case. Probably one written by TCRS

[@ziggypop8106]

@Beth Ryan Maybe you didn't catch my drift earlier, I'm not interested in you or your essays. Regarding research, I have watched and read a vast amount of material on this case over the years, not just from this channel. I do not respond positively to statements such as people like yourself' you know absolutely nothing about me. Might I suggest you go and find somebody else to verbally beat into submission to agree with you. I'm not here to argue, insult or name call, clearly you are. Over and Out.

[@harrietlyall1991]

Not a surprise the Ramsey home was cluttered and chaotic. They spent their time turning a child into a precociously sexualised Barbie doll. Ugh!

[@chefbetsy7680]

Nick as always a very thought provoking interview. My parents, born in Italy into abject poverty, came to the US on student visas. Both very brilliant in their fields of studies. Both were offered employment, became naturalized US citizens, thus making my siblings and I American citizens by birth. Im including all this not to boar you with my family tree. There is a method to my madness. Upon completion of your video's or one of your books, there are two aspects of your obvious learned skills as it pertains to your investigation of " true crime" cases, breaking it down into simpler digestible pieces for your books or videos. There are two skills one each that remind me of both my parents. Your writing style is spot on like my mother's style. She is still with us. Linguistics in particular dead or dying languages. Her research was mainly focused on Aramaic, and Sanskrit. My father who passed relatively young, possessed finely honed analytical skills as do you. He was forever reminding us not to get caught up in proving ourselves right. As no one is always right. If one is constantly using their voice yelling about why their way is right, their ears will miss out hearing and learning another's way when they are the one who this time is correct! That's why God gave us one mouth but two ears!

[@michaelb.42112]

IF Patsy was going to use a garbage bag for plane travel, then you KNOW damn well it would've been a silk pillow case.

[@inspiteofbecauseof4745]

Excellent insight as always! You have me analyzing everything I come across (colleagues, other videos, politics, nature in a whole new light and paying attention to all the details and symbolism in it all).

[@sharonmartin5051]

That's a great boon to his listeners I think. In the 196o's I think there were bumper stickers in USA "question everything." Great advice imo.

[@truth-alwayswins]

@@bethryan9077 Why are you just cutting and pasting this comment and inserting it everywhere?

[@frankfacts6207]

Pentagon contractor John had the connections and waltzed free

[@KimberFarms]

Pineapple YES! Everyone in the beauty industry knows pineapple contains bromelain which helps speeds wound healing and prevents bruising. Milk to settle the stomach. Since the head injury was closed I don't think they realized how badly she was injured...you know..at first.

[@alfredvalrie5541]

The pineapples and cream comes from Muriel Spark, Patsy's favorite author, with whom Patsy had an identity fusion when she was Patsy Paugh, before she met John. Feeding JB pineapples and cream was Patsy's way of giving JB happiness before she deliberately killed her. Patsy then took JB to the basement and tied JB in the garrote which Patsy had already made. She choked JB unconscious, staged her like an angel by putting the garotte over JB's head (the sacrifice), and then delivered the head blow. Patsy then took JB down and put her on the floor, setting up the aborted kidnapping sequence. Patsy then went upstairs and wrote the note. Patsy never went to bed that night. JB died between 12 and 1 in the morning. John knew nothing because he and Patsy slept in separate rooms. Patsy had full, unfettered access to JB.

[@alfredvalrie5541]

@karen campbell the Ramseys were exonerated according to DNA evidence which is uninformative in this case

[@alfredvalrie5541]

@karen campbell “It is very hard to convict someone on circumstantial evidence alone. Demonstrable evidence such as fingerprints, DNA, or a murder weapon needs to be presented. The only abstract and demonstrable evidence in the JonBenét Ramsey murder case is the ransom note. Patsy wrote the note beyond a reasonable doubt. The circumstantial evidence like the Ramsey’s behaviors, what they said, and media manipulation point toward one common thread: The Ramseys. They know what happened. The correlation between the data points in behavior, statements, and context is essentially an admission of guilt in their own words and behavior.” - JonBenét; the final chapter by Marcel Elfers a.co/5q3BxHM

[@KimberFarms]

@karen campbell Closed means no external injury noted. Autopsy: External Examination Hair on Scalp. "The scalp is covered by long blonde hair which is fixed in two ponytails, one on top of the head secured by a cloth hair tie and blue elastic band, and one in the lower back of the head secured by a blue elastic band. (artist's sketch) No Observable Injury on Scalp. "No scalp trauma is identified." The proximal portion of the small intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple."

[@jeremywalters2205]

@karen campbell aloha Burke

[@zensbleexperience3470]

Burke has a deer in the headlights look (at the funeral he seemed happy and maybe relieved) And that smile is from growing up with stage mom and her little precious all had that facade smile.

[@SimpleLifeAlways81]

He was glad she was gone. He hated his sister.

[@SimpleLifeAlways81]

@FAKOKTAcommon sense

[@MsBackstager]

I noticed his awkwardness and strange smile on the Dr. Phil interview. I thought that BR may have been autistic. He still appears to act like a 9-year-old.

[@lc285]

I haven't followed this case but watching videos to learn about its history this past week your videos are informative. What struck me about Patsy first finding the ranson note, she stated as she came down the stairs and seeing it had picked it up. She doesnt quote it word for word but her first mention of its contents, she staes, " We have your daughter", and she screamed, and John came down. Having kids in the house my thought would be seeing a yellow note pad sheets on the treads on my homes stairs of similar familiar paper i used for notes, etc, I think I would first think my kids were playing some kind of prank. What made Patsy immediately react to the letter without reading it all as it being a legitimate ransom note?

[@Wysteria-Whisper]

At 8:55 Burke is looking right into the camera with some intense looking eyes so noticeable it makes a wonder why are they so piercing.

[@darkviolet]

I can say that as someone on the ASD spectrum I would probably do the same thing. Eye contact is like torture to me, and I do smile at the most idiotic (imo) times because I'm very uncomfortable. When I have to have eye contact it kind of hurts all the way down into my toes and I get all jittery. And then I always have in the back of my head that eye contact is the 'normal' thing to have and so I force myself and I might hold it for too long or people think that I stare too much. Not saying that this is what's going on with Burke, but that is how it is for me :)

[@mandycookie5080]

John controlled the security system alarm that night. He only had it turned on while he was murdering Jonbenet and turned it off after Patsy wrote the ransome note and they decided to make the 911 call.

[@Melanie-vj6he]

Jonbenet was the normal one of them all.

[@jacquiet6040]

How did the 3 page ransom note get from stairs to floor without fingerprints? Gloves for the Ramsey's. Obviously, the cop didn't touch it. Why not? He wouldn't have read it from the floor.

[@bendietrees]

I read that the note was passed around amongst their friends present as well?

[@jacquiet6040]

Yes, the messy house speaks volumes!

[@johnnynobuddy1]

Indeed...filthy

[@honeybee6858]

Thought they had a housekeeper

[@zensbleexperience3470]

That house left me with a very odd feeling like it wasn't a "Home" No doubt that there was quite a bitch of staging and coaching.

[@johnnynobuddy1]

@@zensbleexperience3470 absolutley

[@bryanbradley6871]

Ya, especially the basement

[@nrgao]

I just want to ask - has it ever been pointed out that they had a trip coming up yet the big suitcase was under the window in the basement. It’s almost like a suitcase was on the killers mind and readily available for staging. I’m just saying, this whole thing just seems so poorly constructed like a bad B level film plot. Everyone sees through it. We don’t know exactly what happened. But it’s clear that family coordinated a cover up.

[@thesilverpen]

The most disturbing part of this case--in my opinion--is so much effort and discussion to try to solve it, while many murdered and missing kids barely get a mention in the news or a blink of an eye. I find that incredibly sad.

[@SimpleLifeAlways81]

White womans syndrome

[@thesilverpen]

Exactly!! Lot of heartbreak across the country and only blond rich kids get air time and massive resources.

[@WilliamSmith-bg1nz]

I think that jbr could have been killed at some kind of party they were at that night and they agreed with some wrong yins at this party they would deal with it and keep them out of it I think the parents then took her body home and staged the scene and never spoke of the truth or who was really involved ever again

[@GhostofMrsMuir1443]

Always have felt this to be a very real possibility. They hung with very powerful people. Also, why does no one ever discuss Jon Benet’s frequent UTIs? A red flag for sexual abuse.

[@jacquiet6040]

I think the person was angry and wanted to hurt her in revenge but not with the intention of murder.

[@SimpleLifeAlways81]

I believe Doug Stine was with Burke that night. He took Burke’s bike to get home since Burke’s parents had to stage the kidnapping. Why Burke and John flip flop abt bBurke getting a bike that xmas? Why no xmas video? Why Stines went to Atlanta with Ramsey’s? Why Fleet call 911 2 days before JonBenets death? Cuz he saw the kids doing a dangerous game. And when Doug became a teenager, I impersonated a boulder cop Becker, but got caught. Why did he do that? Guilt.

[@catherinetighe7813]

I have seen many videos about this sad case. Two things that stood out for me was when Mrs Ramsey was asked about the death sentence. Her body language was very revealing. She wept and looked away. and Her finger pointing to her husband when she said the word killer.

[@RealMakoi]

Re: packing or not packing, it’s their own home they are traveling to. All they’d need to pack would be gifts, maybe a few toiletries, the kids and some of their Christmas toys.

[@RealMakoi]

@FAKOKTA , I know the area. Very very likely both homes fully operational and stocked.

[@jacquiet6040]

Let's not forget Columbian High School. Rich parents never home for the children.

[@margaretneanover3385]

My thought here. 911 call on 23rd too reported

[@yvettekelley2155]

Do you mean Columbine in Littleton Colorado

[@pchaparala]

l can accept that Jonbenet’s death was somehow an accident but I just cannot understand why they would stage such an elaborate coverup.

[@zensbleexperience3470]

There is NO WAY IN HELL that the ramseys traveled with "bags" that's lunacy. Some of these pieces just make no sense!

[@zensbleexperience3470]

If I ever decided to read the ramseys book I'd buy it used. I'm not giving them my money. I'd actually love to read all of those books you showed. I'm fascinated in this case and that has never changed. I always hoped that in this age of dna etc that this case would surely be solved. Will you please link all the books or at least list them and their authors. Thank you for all you do for your subs!

[@annpushpa4564]

Its sad, still the culprit is (or are) in loose. I mean the parents should be more alert and careful of thieir kids, even when they are sleeping, shouldn't be isolated even in the home at night. May her soul rest in peace! If she had alive today would have been a beautiful young lady, thankyou gentleman for yr episodes, i hope and pray the murderers should be identified,

[@showmethescience2514]

What if Burke did it by accident? Maybe he hit JB but didn’t mean to kill her. Then John and Patsy covered up what he did. Do we still want to know that and wreck Burke’s life? I think I’d keep it like it is.

[@workingonmyroar7944]

What about the family car? Was that ever tested for forensic evidence ? They drove home that night! Perhaps something happened in the car??

[@lisasessums3509]

Sad story. She was a precious little girl,exploited by her mother. Probably a lot of resentment withJohn and Burke.

[@imo9919]

These are great videos. I remember when this happened and it never made much sense. Now it's starting to. Thanks!

[@Samua3]

The 911 call.... Patsy is frantically, and loudly, drawing attention to the note. Didn't mention her child's name. Says "help me". If you thought you were being observed somehow, after a threat that your child would be killed if you called the police, wouldn't you frantically whisper at least? Or even run to a neighbour's to phone the police? She showed no concern for the child's welfare in the situation she was meant to believe was going on. Sounds like Burke came to see what was going on and his father said "we're not talking to you" (meaning the loud frantic voice was not for him but his mother talking to someone else on the phone). Then it sounds like the father realises what his wife has done. But what was her motive? Jonbenet had trauma to her privates of ongoing abuse there. If it was her brother who did that to her at 9yrs old would the mother be so grossed out she wanted to kill the daughter? No. But what if she found out it was her husband? It's not childish curiosity then. It's betrayal, perversion, threat, insult etc. A man idolising his glamorous daughter. Hence the book Patsy reads for information and her massive ransom note with the inability to use the girl's name in it. The father realised why she'd killed Jonbenet and had to keep his mouth shut for his own sake. Even the fact that he apparently found her body and carried it up from the cellar is odd because what would any other parent do on finding their little girl dead? Collapse to the floor and cry out for the police! Not have the strength in his legs, and mind, to pick up and carry her up the stairs. And just because there was a bowl with pineapple in it, that doesn't mean it was Burke's. His fingerprints were on the bowl but from when? Patsy's were too. But he could have easily touched the bowl, even unloaded it from the dishwasher. People surmise that patsy probably was the one who took it from the dishwasher but a 9yr old could. The pineapple could have been used to entice Jonbenet down. Hence there was some in her stomach yet the bowl was still sitting there pretty full. Some have speculated that she nicked a piece of Burke's and he got mad and killed her...garotting her in the basement because people keep things like that in there! No ... that's not feasible because he would have had bigger reasons to kill her and needed adult strength and control to use a garotte.... which was homemade. Not a 9yr old's handywork.

[@myracurtis7706]

she grabbed some pineapple off his bowl, he knocked her over the head with the maglight...cover-up so he would not be arrested for murder.

[@SimpleLifeAlways81]

Yes but Burke and Doug did sexual things .. same as 2 nights before the murder. Fleet White saw and called 911 while at Ramsey party. He saw it.

[@NessIsHere]

Hi Nick, I hope you’re well. Would you consider doing a video on a case here in Sydney Aus? The William Tyrell Case. It’s not getting enough attention these days, I have noticed. It’s still a mystery as Jon Benet case. There’s conflicting things in this case that has happened over the years I find to be very upsetting, the parents, the bio parents, the actual “missing” scenario with William. If you check it out on Google you’ll read about it. Very interesting. No justice has been served yet to this day. I think if you covered this or even spoke about it in a video (or maybe a few) it would be very enlightening to those who have tried to cover the mystery of where this toddler is, and what happened. The real truth needs to come out. Thank you for your time Nick. I hope you’re well and I love your channel. Love your Jon Benet videos. I’ve just started following you on Patreon too. Yay, I’m Reading your book too about Jon Benet, you’re an excellent writer. I think you’re a legend. Thank you for your time and sharing your views on these cases. :-) Ness (Sydney Australia).

[@gina.1]

Ah Vanessa, now I have to look at the case!

[@NessIsHere]

@@gina.1 Oh yes. Please do. Thank you.

[@gina.1]

@karen campbell You know ... It sounds like you are saying a whole lot about other people in your comment. Australians don't buy any hype. The BPD is corrupt. TCRS is a waste of time and money and, apparently, without the facts. Apparently a lot of other ppl are dumber than you. What's the story behind the anger? It's the age old wisdom, if you don't like what you see on the TV, change the channel. Otherwise, be a good teacher and let ppl evolve and learn at their own pace.

[@gina.1]

Vanessa ... Looked into the Tyrell case by watching a 60 minutes episode. So sad. Maybe TCRS will take it up.

[@jacquiet6040]

Was the garage and car ever checked?

[@SimpleLifeAlways81]

John knew she was dead already.

[@rosemarymurphy2472]

I haven't listened to this yet...waiting till this evening, but I want to say right now, that I KNOW IN MY HEART, FROM THE FIRST DAY I HEARD AND LISTENED/WATCHED PATSY/JOHN NOT INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER...AND THE LETTER SPOKE VOLUMES ABOUT PATSY...I JUST KNEW BOTH OF THEM KILLED HER....NEVER DOUBTED FOR ONE SECOND, TO THIS DAY!! I WON'T CHANGE MY MIND EVEN AFTER LISTEN TO THIS TONITE.

[@cathie1234]

I agree - both of them had a part in it!!!

[@jettyoeill]

Your all caps yelling and coming into a 49 part series with your mind made up will not serve you well here. This is a series that asks you to open your mind and consider the many layers of this case. Nick will not tell you what to think, you are free to think for yourself. You may be right on the outcome but, you will not enjoy the journey here.

[@cathie1234]

@karen campbell - please elaborate! What does exonerate have to do with my comment. Wishing you well.

[@SimpleLifeAlways81]

I believe Doug Stine was with Burke that night. He took Burke’s bike to get home since Burke’s parents had to stage the kidnapping. Why Burke and John flip flop abt bBurke getting a bike that xmas? Why no xmas video? Why Stines went to Atlanta with Ramsey’s? Why Fleet call 911 2 days before JonBenets death? Cuz he saw the kids doing a dangerous game. And when Doug became a teenager, I impersonated a boulder cop Becker, but got caught. Why did he do that? Guilt.

[@jeremywalters2205]

I find it interesting that Mr Burke wasn't with Patsy when she died!?..

[@nataliegist2014]

I can communicate with spirits. The strangest thing about the spirits is that in this case are just as confused as the case is I can’t get a straight answer.

[@ruthcarter1360]

This case was handled like a circus, focus of the prime suspects was completely pushed in the wrong direction, when something looks strangely odd it normally is!!! Burke was almost 10 !!! Patsy wasn't the all together super woman that she projected to the world, the Jekyll and Hyde syndrome. Who knows what Jonbenet had to endure..🤨

[@SimpleLifeAlways81]

That’s what Ramsey’s did on purpose.

[@ruthcarter1360]

@FAKOKTA no because the housekeeper said she used to shout at JB...also everything was perfect to outside world but dark things behind the scenes!!! Get real, if here house was a mess, she was wealthy enough to hire help to do housework too!!

[@ruthcarter1360]

@FAKOKTA they might've focused on family but that soon changed, no action taken!! Then Case went cold, who was the district attorney? Prosecutor? Investigators? Private investigator?

[@ruthcarter1360]

@FAKOKTA it's a state of ridiculous, huge 15 room mansion with a basement, nightmare waiting to happen, parents sleeping upstairs third floor, two young children, Jonbenet very young allowed to sleep downstairs on second floor?? WHY?? And Jonbenet had a balcony outside her room apparently, negligence and irresponsible, I suppose you think this is okay and all normal, !!!➕➕🕓

[@ruthcarter1360]

@FAKOKTA my point is, can't you comprehend that I say its an inside job!! Boom 💥

[@gwensawchuk3588]

Weren't the Ramsey's going to their other home? There wouldn't be much packing to be done, they would have had tons of clothing at their other home.

[@dennistrull1475]

Except, growing kids

[@nancygermain6924]

Because I have many issues with everything about this case, even the Burke synopsis, I stopped to listen a bit. I haven’t left yet. You mentioned issues I have pondered, brought up many I never thought about. You have a grasp on this case like no other, making your channel fascinating and eye opening, thanks. If one is going to kill or kills accidentally, make it as convoluted as possible it really seems to throw a wrench in the whole works. Or tell the truth it addresses all the issues.

[@jacquiet6040]

What time were they suppose to catch that flight? Still not packed?

[@BuzzyStreet]

private jet

[@jacquiet6040]

@@bethryan9077 Thx!

[@dennistrull1475]

Good point

[@honeybee6858]

it was someone close to that family , really close !

[@Melanie-vj6he]

Lou Smitt was wrong.

[@Samua3]

Burke was 9. How could he make a garotte and use it so powerfully? The massive skull damage from her being hit was far more indicative of an adult. The bowl of pineapple? From what time? If the kids liked pineapple in a bowl like that it doesn't mean that it was a murderous boy's snack. He may have been caught sneaking down and getting himself some and was sent back up to bed. Then Jonbenet could have picked some out of the bowl without picking up the bowl. Its strange though. Its like it was planned. Could there have been a painful discovery by Patsy of her husband with Jonbenet? There were signs of sexual abuse. Then the faking of a scene with duct tape that was put on after death, tied hands that were not tight enough on one hand so more likely to be after death, a 3 page ransom letter.... definitely a woman's thing to go into detail. Also the suspicious book in the parents bedroom. Burke wasn't the one reading that. Even if they wanted to protect Burke they wouldn't manage to be so cool if he had ended his sister's life, including writing a 3 page letter. But it makes more sense that Patsy found out something awful about her husband with her adult-looking 6yr old. He would never be able to tell anyone about Patsy getting rid of the "doll" they made. And she would have to remain silent about what happened. Burke wasn't some 9yr old, criminal mastermind.

[@karenprice401]

Ye I think Burke did it, he's hit her before with a golf club, it's his way of lashing out

[@SimpleLifeAlways81]

I believe Doug Stine was with Burke that night. He took Burke’s bike to get home since Burke’s parents had to stage the kidnapping. Why Burke and John flip flop abt bBurke getting a bike that xmas? Why no xmas video? Why Stines went to Atlanta with Ramsey’s? Why Fleet call 911 2 days before JonBenets death? Cuz he saw the kids doing a dangerous game. And when Doug became a teenager, I impersonated a boulder cop Becker, but got caught. Why did he do that? Guilt.

[@RyanRauschenberger-p6h]

She was strangled first

[@bethroundell8424]

She was a beautiful child. She was used by her mother as a show piece, dressed up like a doll & publicly displayed. When she was home she was not liked by her brother, he was justified at being jealous. He was hurtful to her, he did dirty things to her belongings. Her father was not fully into the pageants, he had other things to do, work, travel, being a big man of means, and he may have molested her or knew about the molesting which would have exploded his world. God rescued JonBenet from a miserable life.

[@robbirobin9657]

TCRS do you think the 911 call a few days before was another 'practice'?

[@deewhittle9028]

Can anyone please elaborate on this?

[@TCRS]

Not on purpose, but yes.

[@gina.1]

@@TCRS wow. Good answer.

[@robbirobin9657]

@@deewhittle9028 A few days before the murder, during a party at the house, someone dialled 911. When the police arrived they were not admitted to the house, but were told by a guest that the call had been a mistake.

[@deewhittle9028]

@@robbirobin9657 thank you

[@meaganmiller2764]

If I want to see the end of these videos which patron level do I need?

[@joeherbert7555]

So there's a three page, rambling 'ransom note' left on the third step, written on a notepad that happened to be right there in the kitchen, using a pen that was also right there, and nobody touched the note?? No fingerprints on the letter?? Patsy is still wearing the same outfit from the night before? Get real.

[@MoodyReadingPenguinn]

If I remember correctly from the Ramseys’ book: they said John took the luggage to the plane on Christmas Day. It’s been years since I read it so apologies if I’m wrong.

[@lindaglover7088]

You are saying there were no finger prints on the ransom letter. When they were gathering evidence were there any rubber gloves in the trash. Anyway, if I see papers spread out on my stairs ,I'm going to pick them up and get to reading them.i would take them to my husband and let him read them for himself. I would hand them to the police officer. There would be my prints all over them. 🤔

[@NessIsHere]

Love all your videos on Jon Benet. I think it’s very interesting the things you come up with. I’ve always had my own opinion about what happened, i dont know if it was murder as murder, although it’s Murder to us, yes, but I don’t think it’s intentional murder.

[@tiesiai_per_aplinkui]

@@bethryan9077 well, if everything is so clear why there isn't anyone behine bars? As for money making from this story,100% agree. I heard about this 3 weapons and 4 I think people, but only from the comments, never saw a vid about it. Also everyone who is saying that the Randsom note was writen by Patsy, just look up the note your self, the letters are not consistent from the start to the end of the letter, it looks as if itwas writen with the oposite hand, its very "wavy".

[@annjohns350]

Kolar version is a total lie!

[@robertwoods3750]

this case , barring some death bed confession , will never be " solved " . a worthy scenario aganst any one of the remaining family members can be made , along with a intruder theory , all plausible due to poor policing and shoddy detective work .

[@nancygermain6924]

That they were not sitting by the phone biting their nails down to uthe quick is unbelievable. Instead they all seem to have forgotten all about it! Not one word was spoken about it, astonishing..

[@Fourwedge]

Who in their right mind sees paper on the floor of their house that has children, doesn't just pick it up to read it? And to never pick it up the entire time to even see if there were words written on the back of the paper. Total BS

[@Sammiejam]

911 call _is_ weird because she is so vague in it. To begin with especially, she doesn't get to the point at all and it's all just weird and off. And yep, sounds very staged.

[@SnowflakeForestFelting]

I completely agree!

[@1_Bad_Z]

She called frantic, mentions address only once, and hangs up. What parent would do that if their child was missing.

[@1_Bad_Z]

@@bethryan9077 get over it. There are people that think that OJ Simpson is innocent till this day. Just because they think he's innocent because they believe that he was framed, doesn't mean that they are right.

[@1_Bad_Z]

@@bethryan9077 🎻 🎻 🎻...

[@LeeEberle]

Patsy is guilty.

[@kentcoon1220]

A large unkept house it seems dark

[@ziggypop8106]

I'm commenting too much, need to wind my neck in but I think I may have seen this CBS documentary. Is there a blonde UK woman called Laura Richards in it? How could I have seen it, wasn't it banned?

[@ClearConscience.]

Shes amazing- defo is on yt

[@sharonmartin5051]

Hi Ziggy, Happy to see you here. You were here really late last episode and I was missing your comments. I hope all is well. I thought maybe you were a theatre person because you told me your read plays. I imagined you as an actress in local productions. But you'd be familiar with mis en scene. Probably close to your bedtime. Sleep tight and be safe..

[@ziggypop8106]

Good evening Sharon, thank you for your sweet comment, yes I was later yesterday. I enjoy reading plays yes and watching them but definitely not participating ☺️ singing is my limit in performing. I'm now convinced I've seen this CBS thing, they reenacted JonBenet's death using a dummy? Have a wonderful weekend, enjoy Valentine's and speak soon :)

[@gina.1]

Ziggy. That's the one.

[@ziggypop8106]

Hi Gina :)

[@jarrettfullerton2580]

The repeated "Dr. Full" statements got to me after a bit...but I think James Kolar who had access to a great many things that we will never see. I think his conclusions are bang on.

[@angelagregory5312]

John Ramsey is still alive. He still wants to protect his son. Yes I believe Burke killed his sister accidentally. He will never betray Burke,he can't tell the truth now he would be prosecuted for for preventing the course of justice. I don't know what would happen to Burke.Burke was a child so not responsible for his actions. By that I mean if his parents told him to be quiet he would do as he was told.

[@angelagregory5312]

@karen campbell I don't need to look it up I know exactly what it means thank you. It doesn't make him inocent.

[@Melanie-vj6he]

Dr. Phil is sooooo controversial.

[@hallsjuju2400]

The Ramsey’s have a different story as times change.

[@SimpleLifeAlways81]

They’re liars

[@carolrobinson1802]

Concerning the packing, I understand all was on the plane.

[@davidfigueroa6351]

One of Burke's Xmas gifts that day was the much anticipated Nintendo 64. America was short on this video game console's release. It was a frenzy just to get one. I don't think he was dismayed about gifts compared to Jonbenet's. Imo it looks like Det. Steve Thomas' scenario is more likely what happened that night.

[@gingergrant6759]

Patsy was packing in the room that's next to jonbenet's. There is a photograph of suitcases on the bed.

[@whatsdoin2392]

You do not cover her name which is a combo of both parents name. She was never acknowledged to be a separate person, but was merged with her parents.

[@annetteturner5954]

Pasty probly only cleaned for party's.

[@drussell-v1x]

What if Patsy Ramsey was paying someone to kidnap Jonbenet so she could meet up with her later but something went wrong .i think she was planning to leave Jon because she was dying of cancer and she did not want to leave Jon benet with Jon and Burke to suffer more abuse.

[@amandad6782]

Is there ever any interviews with the friends who were there the day of the murder?

[@TCRS]

www.westword.com/news/jonbenet-ramsey-how-the-investigation-got-derailed-and-why-it-still-matters-6053856 www.bustle.com/articles/183660-where-are-john-barbara-fernie-now-theyre-still-active-in-the-same-community

[@nonameno6690]

maybe they had clothes at their other house they had ....so they didn't really need to pack ,,, except to take presents for the other kids?

[@portiamatthews9654]

Patsy Ramsey was in a frenzy when she called 911 but when the detective arrived according to her account everyone was calmer. The detective even said that when the time came for the suppose phone call no one said anything. Then by 1:00 p.m. is when she suggested to John Ramsey and the friend to search the house from top to bottom. Also I believe that you said something about a book about MK Ultra was found on John's desk. Did anyone else hear anything about John Ramsey knew or dated Natalie Holloway, the young lady from Birmingham Alabama went missing in Aruba. And a possible link to the missing little girl Madeline McCain. Look at the front of the house where JonBenet Ramsey lived and tell me what you see about it.

[@SimpleLifeAlways81]

No, Burke, JonBenet, and Doug went downstairs. Remmy Fleet White called 911 two nights before the murder? He saw something. It was the kids.

[@tiesiai_per_aplinkui]

Read the note, "we will call you between 8 to 10 tomorrow..." and everything happened the same day. And everything happpened what the note said, "Any deviation from my instructions will result in immediat exsecution of your daugther", so, already your first assumption is wrong right from the start.

[@portiamatthews9654]

@@tiesiai_per_aplinkui Not my assumption, it's what the detective stated in her interview. Besides use spell check because it can be useful to you. 🤣

[@laurahernandez-bd4vr]

Also, more “ pageantry” that was ignored is the time for the kidnappers call coming and going with no one seeming to notice

[@peddlerofbombast6982]

The Steven Rashbrook narration at the very beginning, what BBC program is that from?

[@jdmbraceyourself695]

They totally got away with it 😢

[@LaHermitess]

My recollection from the documentary (and granted it is from memory) was that Patsy was downstairs either wrapping some last minute gifts, or ironing some items for packing. I understood that was why she was there with Burke as he was eating pineapple and having tea ?? Was there not already an incident in which Burke had, shortly before Joh Benet's death, deliberately hit his sister with a golf club in a fit of anger, indicating he was prone to grab a 'weapon' to hit out with. I found the documentary extremely persuasive, and supportive of my initial feeling that Burke killed his sister by semi accident, and Patsy (later John) tried to cover it up, and alter the evidence about the circumstances. I find descriptions of Burke's love and nurturing relationship with his sister rather suspect as she clearly had replaced him as the focus of her mother's attention and created serious sibling rivalry.

[@LaHermitess]

@@bethryan9077 Thank you for your lengthy reply which I have read with interest. Although I have heard much of that info mentioned in various speculations, I am unable to find fact sources for most of it, other than various statements made at the time, and some subsequent investigative theories. In fact, a good deal of your items are at odds with copies of the autopsy reports and other official documents and Grand Jury recommendations which I have been able to access. Would you be kind enough to reference where your list of facts are stated so that I can read the source material for myself? I find this one of the most interesting and frustrating cases in many years (as obviously you do too) and would love to see it resolved during my remaining lifetime. Thanks and Happy New Year to you and yours.

[@LaHermitess]

@@bethryan9077 Kudos on the speed of your response and many thanks for the info provided.

[@ticesine6589]

"What did you do?" And then what they wrote a ransom note before the police arrived in 3 minutes ? And still hadnt found JB ? Ya that downt fit nether does anything else against the parents.

[@bills6093]

The only way that "What did you do?" family involved scenario works is if John had already written the note overnight, and Patsy was not actually aware of what really happened, and she assumed Burke was involved, or was told Burke was involved. She might then actually ask Burke "What did you do?" while near the phone.

[@JanetOffutt-qg4tl]

What is the significance of the socks on the bathroom floor?

[@robertosborne6605]

Who’s Doctor Full? Does this make sense?

[@grannyrice8983]

All I can think about now in 2022 in DNA...DNA...DNA

[@daneengatlin5786]

Maid and husband planned it with 2 men who actually did kidnapping. Maid had keys, knew lay out of house, knew Ramseys schedule, could of known about bonus, access to pad and pen, maid could make her handwriting look like Patsy's. Two men who went in to do the kidnapping blotched it. They couldnt fit her onto suit case, tazed her, she screamed, they started the strangling to control her, she fought them, then they hit her to hard after doing the strangling thing and weird stuff. They realized they killed her and just left her and left out of door.

[@arizonabay6231]

but if their goal was to make money and torture the Ramsey family they would still take the dead body!! Say this quickly.. I AM SOFA KING WE TODD ED

[@wcolautti]

Oh Jesus Christ. 🙄

[@judypylant1570]

BUTWHY?

[@davidfigueroa6351]

That's a big fat NOPE.

[@robinsmith654]

The brother killed her accidentally why are you avoiding saying that the brother needs help mentally...the father knows Burke did it and the mother definitely knew it ...the brother was jealous of the attention Jon Benetton was receiving

[@robinsmith654]

@karen campbell first of all unless you were there you don’t know for certain what actually happened...that would be your opinion that’s it ..just the same as my opinion...even the story teller has an opinion

[@jeremywalters2205]

@karen campbell Burke is a suspect.

[@blueeyedscorpio7]

The link at the end???

[@jeremywalters2205]

Burke did it.

[@jeremywalters2205]

@karen campbell you must work for Burke...

[@jeremywalters2205]

@karen campbell do you need to get something off you're chest..

[@jeremywalters2205]

@@bethryan9077 BDI.

[@justindupre7274]

That pic of Patsy and JonBenet at about 3:00 is a bit strange, no?

[@ziggypop8106]

Strange as in . . ?

[@gina.1]

It has always jumped out at me too, but I'm never sure why. Patsy looks wiped out. I have chalked it up to Christmas exhaustion and perhaps not being fully well, still recovering from the cancer treatment. The only other thing is the way she's kind of got a hold of JonBenet.👍🏻

[@ziggypop8106]

I was curious what kind of strange as I had similar thoughts. Patsy's eyes belie the smile

[@gina.1]

@@ziggypop8106 interestingly, Mrs. Ramsey also looks as if she may have been crying. ... Don't know. She also possibly didn't want to take the photo since she didn't have her make up on. Also a point of interest it that JonBenet doesn't look like she's even a little bit afraid of her mother.

[@ziggypop8106]

@Mail From Gina Actually you're right, there is a post weepy look about her. They took too much on in two weeks I think, everybody stressed out, not a happy time at all.

[@dianewilson8737]

Seems bit weird cases not packed. Busy busy mum but still. Would she not get housekeeper to prepare if busy. So odd. I don't think many slept that night if any. It seems bizarre when you have help at the tip of your fingers.