Beecher & Judge Grace Lema OZ S02E04

[@deepblueinthedark9856]

Ridiculously good dialogue and great acting from all. Parts of Oz were just gold..

[@totalba69]

DeepBlueInTheDark most of it was bronze, but yeah sure. If you wanna strike gold with dialogue and acting, watch The Wire

[@ce6ej]

@@totalba69 most of OZ is GOLD

[@rustykuntz94]

@@ce6ej OZ IMO went downhill after Adebisi’s death. First 4 seasons were great

[@ce6ej]

@@rustykuntz94 yeah it went downhill a little bit after that, but I loved all of it!! Best show ever made right next to Sopranos IMO

[@rustykuntz94]

@@ce6ej Yep almost cliche but my fave all time shows are Sopranos, Oz & The Wire

[@paulcruz3111]

Said & Beecher, the two most heart breaking Characters. Could have done so much good in the world. If only Said accepted his pardon, and if only Beecher dealt with Keller from a distance.

[@Scrootumm]

"Yeah..this was very therapeutic thanks" lol

[@tufDuffinchains]

Scrootumm Beecher Owned Mcmanus here!!!

[@scottritchey573]

Mcmanus had his moments but he was also a self righteous dimwitted jackass

[@Konrad_Wallenrod]

As much as I dislike Beecher the wimp (later seasons as it made sense in season 1) I love him as a crazy baddass....everything- the beard. the attitude, even his tone of voice is spot on

[@rickyray2794]

Same, I love wolverine beecher. I hated what he became.

[@thatpart]

If a judge were to publicly admit that she made a non-impartial decision, that would be sufficient for a retrial. Wild...

[@deepblueinthedark9856]

Good point!

[@rhondadinkin9473]

but in the same breath he admits he killed her so

[@AprilGabrielle]

Yes but, plot.

[@thatpart]

@@AprilGabrielle 😂 - well put!

[@thatpart]

@@rhondadinkin9473 he was already tried for that murder and found guilty. If a court finds partial behavior, it is possible he could have gotten a retrial. Not that it would do any good

[@ryanorielly5617]

My favorite part has to be how Beecher says “is that too much? Not enough? I don’t know” he clearly is remorseful and will forever be in pain that he did that

[@DahlemDorf]

she should have helped him later to get out with hist first parole

[@justwannabehappy6735]

Judge cannot interfere in any way like that.

[@JavierRodriguez17565]

DahlemDorf she’d have to leave the bench before she can help prisoners that are up for parole

[@ChairmanMeow1]

that's illegal

[@leondreamcast]

The judge could have reversed his sentence, and let him go tho, Beecher should have accepted her apology I feel like she was going to reverse his sentence

[@andrewshimonek4317]

Elaine Stritch RIP

[@ryanorielly5617]

Little did we know what this man was truly capable of in season 3

[@CitySkin09]

“15 years in THIS FUCKHOLE!!!”

[@tufDuffinchains]

Love how Beecher Owns Mcmanus

[@skippythealien9627]

McManus was without a doubt the biggest cunt on the show...and that includes an ensemble with guys who were literal Nazi rapists

[@tufDuffinchains]

@@skippythealien9627 I disagree McManus was an Asshole but he was a neutral party. When you saw Oz without him it fell apart. He had good intentions and good ideas in theory just events out of his control screwed things up

[@ChairmanMeow1]

does anyone have this video with a lower volume level?

[@AceNucci]

"Yea, this was very theraputic thanks"... hahahahahaha

[@marudoethiopia]

Beecher deserved it. The guy didn't take the plea bargain and went for a complete acquittal.

[@maximoutbound1265]

The complete aquittal has the purpose to avoid incarceration?

[@kelbyswartz2664]

Yes that is what acquittal means. If you were acquitted of a crime, it means you were found not guilty.

[@rustykuntz94]

How would that even be possible as a repeat DWI offender killing a child he could be acquitted?

[@Braindoner101]

Yeah, I bet she could tell that the prison sure as hell changed him.

[@Howard.Stern.]

It is implied heavily that the reason she visits him here is because the violence against Beecher in OZ was reported to her. Like the reports of him being involved in violence and being raped are recorded in the prison logs and she has read them. So she knows that the punishments are extreme. But when she sees Beecher she realizes that prison has changed him into a different person. The hot female lawyer that Beecher meets in later seasons has the same reaction. She gets involved with Beecher, sees that prison has changed him, and abandons him because she thinks he is a lost cause.

[@Braindoner101]

@@Howard.Stern. Right. And he’s done so much to try to stay on the good side. Reunited his enemy Schilinger with his son, and schilinger ordered his son to kidnap his children, and killed his son. Branded Beecher with a swastika, got Keller to basically turn on Beecher, and so much more. He tried to kill Beecher through the black population with the shirt but didn’t expect him to retaliate. It was actually a funny scene because after he beat up Schilinger, he was cheered on despite the shirt… then again that was about when he went batshit crazy.

[@Howard.Stern.]

@@Braindoner101 That scene where he wears the Confederate shirt was filmed for dark comedy. There is one part where Beecher climbs the railing and screams he is flying out of OZ and flaps his arms like wings before the guards grab him from the railing. As dark and brutal as this show was....I laugh at the acid trip every single time.

[@QX1138]

It's semi fitting what happened to Beecher. He was not remorseful enough accept the guilt of his crime and live with remorse in minimum security, but callously chose to game the system and get away scot-free. Contrary to his belief I'm sure the man he was would still be alive had his gamble for an acquittal paid off and still be unrepentant for his actions.

[@str-jd3yo]

Had Beecher kept a beard w/ that attitude I doubt he would've been baited to bunk with Schillenger because Schillenger would've met his match imo

[@thecowboy9698]

Yeah, but it's the horrific abuse Beecher suffered at Schillinger's hands, is what turned him into the man he is here.

[@Night_Dragon11]

When Beecher was put on Oz he assumed that he was the Victim, but when he encountered his nemesis, Shillinger and faced the mother of his victim, he realized he was no victim of the system, he was just as bad as all the others there and scarily enough Beecher accepted his own criminal self and went after Shillinger for a while, when the judged wanted to see him he had already matured into a bigger criminal having accepted his guilt, this transformation from the fake beecher to the beecher who he really was, was chilling, and the Judge realized she had made the right decision.

[@Youre_Right]

Samuel Benitez No you are way off on that. Becker was a drunk. He had a wife and lived a somewhat normal life. He wasn’t a monster, he became one out of necessity. I’m a nice guy and try to do unto others as I would like done to me. I have empathy and for others and try to see things from their POV when ever there is an issue. I’ve also mad some bad decisions and got put in jail. I’m not a monster out victimizing other’s, but I’m not the same inside as I am out. It’s a different world inside. A different more animalistic mindset has to happen or you will be victimized. I don’t get fucked with and the few times people tried me, I showed them I won’t be victimized. I’ll take a piece of someone with me. It won’t be a good day for either of us.

[@icemachine79]

+David L Agreed. Some people think they are immune from _ever_ turning "bad" and could _never_ possibly make these sorts of mistakes. But that's simply _not_ how the world works.

[@fumblingeverywhere]

actually the judge relized she exeeded with the punishment

[@Howard.Stern.]

@@fumblingeverywhere The judge realized that her punishment was so extreme that it backfired. And now the Beecher before her is an even more hardened criminal. Who has been raped and abused but assaulted a prisoner and defecated on him. She knows that even though her punishment was too harsh it is almost a self fulfilling prophecy now because Beecher is too dangerous to let out into the wild.

[@Protoman85]

The thing with this and several other judgments is just that Beecher(and Busmalis and some others) they just shouldn't have went to maximum security, he was never violent or a escape risk or anything. Does the US not have medium security prisons or what?

[@yadisdis4207]

Robbing a bank probably pisses the US off a ton in Busmalis case.

[@GodsMadeMan]

@@yadisdis4207 you don't fuck with them people's money.

[@cmille24]

They were sentenced when Devlin came in to office and his whole thing was being tough on crime. Beecher tells O’Reilly in season one that he was made an example of by the DA.

[@EpicDuck9000]

1:19 XDDDDDDDD

[@johntighe5448]

i like how it cuts to beecher in hand cuffs

[@defAngel]

Why the fuck would she visit him? Beecher handled that well. Lol

[@rogerbarrett8978]

Should I count how many times he says "cunt" next time I see this clip?

[@GiovanniChristensen]

He says it 8 times

[@edgar22452]

What's wrong with saying the word "cunt"?

[@skippythealien9627]

this scene encapsulates how i feel about a lot of former friends post 2020

[@clainecowdrick8558]

In the real world what she said to him would get him set fteed

[@SawsanI99I]

at least beecher understands that he killed that little girl. drunk driving isn't an accident. if you know that you are going to do that while drunk and dont take necessary precautions (for example not taking your car to the bar, etc), then you are risking killing somebody with a 2-ton-murderweapon. whenever i saw beecher and his pity-parade i couldn't stop thinking about that family he destroyed. there were other prisoners i felt far more sorry for.

[@kirinrex]

The writing in this scene is so good. It perfectly expresses beecher's feelings of guilt, remorse, and hopelessness without being maudlin or melodramatic. It's so well-written.

[@davidlamotta1994]

SawsanI99I Most people especially when they're young have driven PLASTERED at the wheel. If I did kill in that state of mind, as reckless as my actions would have been, it would still be an UNINTENTIONAL ACCIDENT. Yes it would be a tragedy, but an accident. I hope the spirit and soul of the dead will understand. It was an ACCIDENT!!!!!!!! Understand? Dig it? Comprende? Does it register?

[@bigredinfinity3126]

He could of been sent to a lower security prison .Mcmase knew schilinger as raping him and could of done a lot to help him

[@icemachine79]

You should also teach your kids to *NOT* ride their bikes in the middle of the road and to pay attention to what's going on around them. Of course, Beecher needed to be punished for what he did. But what he experienced in Oz was _way_ beyond what he deserved, especially considering that he didn't actually _intend_ to kill anyone. There's a fine line between justice and revenge, and the treatment Beecher received in Oz definitely crossed that line.

[@arthuranderson5034]

David Lamotta No!!! Accidents happen with unseen circumstances. Driving drunk is very seen because YOU KNOW IT IS A POSSIBILITY. There's the difference. No accident buddy. A non caring attitude for others THAT'S what you and drunk drivers ARE ALL ABOUT!!!

[@DanMeyer80]

In the show the judge sends him to the toughest maximum security prison to make an example of Beecher but in real life, the judge doesnt decide which prison the convict goes to, the Dept of Correction's does that. And Beecher was not a violent criminal, his killing of Kathy Rockwell was an accident. Beecher would have served his sentence in either minimum or medium security

[@natweiner8965]

He wasn't a violent criminal? You call vehicular homicide not violent?

[@thecowboy9698]

Beecher's experiences on the show should be a STRONG deterent from the senseless act of drinking and driving. Look at how much it cost him, and all the things he suffered. If you're going to drink, either walk to the bar, get an Uber/Taxi, or just stay at home. I'd reccomend the third option most, as it's way cheaper, and plus if you make an ass of yourself, which most people do after they've been drinking, there won't be others around to witness it, and thus you can save yourself some embarrassment.

[@SinewRending]

*Thank you.*

[@samkind4713]

3:44 the best

[@thenewadventuresofhenry6998]

He should have IMMIDIATELY called a still practicing lawyer and used what the judge said to get his sentence overturned, or at least transferred to a minimum security prison. But Beecher at that point felt like he needed to punish himself. Such a selfish decision, considering his wife died, his son died, his dad died, his brother got stabbed, etc.

[@tomservo5347]

I'll probably take a lashing for this, but I'll say this-our entire government, justice system, etc has been completely screwed up by the rise of feminism. Females aren't weaker-they're just built different. Since they're the nurturers they're governed by emotions which shouldn't have any place in law and government where logic must prevail. Now we have this whole PC culture 'so no one's feelings get hurt' that's destroying freedom, created an entire generation that doesn't know it's purpose in life, and silences any opposition. 'In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.' Welcome to the revolution.

[@skippythealien9627]

i'm not a fan of whiny incel men, but this is 100% accurate. america has absolutely gone downhill now that more and more women are in positions of power that they, quite frankly, lack the emotional balance to do the jobs demanded of them. i work at a public university in the U.S., one of the biggest in fact. well more than half of the students are now women. america is severely fucked.

[@alphawolf798]

1:23 Mcmanus had no right cutting him off, it really shows that Beecher getting abused was on him.

[@johndillinger8482]

what's crazy about this whole scene is she had the power to cut him loose right then,but she didn't.15 yrs was light,i figured he'd get at least 20.

[@Tusc9969]

You're an absolute moron!

[@DonaldBermudez-k6u]

This would never ever happen because it would cause the conviction to be overturned super quick and the judge would possibly face punishment from the attorney disciplinary board. She flat out admitted he did not have a fair trial

[@leondreamcast]

See this was mad dumb Beecher could have easily got a retrial or even a reduced sentence if he was willing to speak to her

[@terrenceevans2809]

I find it amazing how he can play such a wounded victim when he got drunk and ran down a child and when he got arrested before for drunk driving and now it's the judges fault cause she wouldn't accept his whole "poor me I lost my life" routine she was right in her judgement he even said he tried to bride his way into freedom but in the end lost everything cause of what HE did. He the one who drove drunk, he the one tried to fix the law to work in his favor so he got what he got and everything that happened to him is HIS own damn fault

[@zool909]

He acknowledged what he did at this point. As bad as what happened was it was a terrible accident. As he said he's the one who's going to live with what he did the rest of his life.

[@terrenceevans2809]

He seems to blame for not letting him off which is what he expected

[@icemachine79]

+Terrence Evans The punishment did *NOT* fit the crime. After all, it's not like Beecher _intended_ on killing the girl. He accepted his complicity in her death and felt guilty for his mistakes. But what happened to him in Oz was *WAY* out of proportion to anything that could be described as "justice". In many ways, death would be preferable to his experiences there. But people like you purposefully oversimplify the situation and pretend this is somehow "justice" when the truth is that you simply derive personal satisfaction from the vicarious thrill of getting _revenge_ on someone.

[@gaviriak]

You are the reason why americans are so Fuck off , of course he killed an incoent person but this is not The meaning of been a CRIMINAL , criminals enjoy to kill and torture people, shillinger is a criminal, You are a Fucking criminal in your mind cause you enjoy people pain, but Beecher was NOT A CRIMINAL !

[@squashedeyeball]

@@terrenceevans2809 His sentence is the equivalent of cutting someone's hands for steeling. He was driving drunk, but he had no intend to kill anyone. Since the accident happened when he was drunk, jail was most likely. But 15 years in this version of prison? The sentence is criminal, to be honest. That absolutely ensures that not only he wouldn't learn from his mistake, but that he will become a monster, forever, in order to survive.

[@happybkwrm]

No, Beecher... YOU put you in prison.

[@Doop3r]

Which he acknowledged. There's not a part of that in which Beecher did not acknowledge what he did.

[@christopherrobinson3255]

she was going to try to get him out of jail

[@Lightner445555555555]

Beecher should've accepted her apology.She was probably thinking of knocking off a few years of his sentence.

[@gaviriak]

She can do That?

[@fumblingeverywhere]

is that possible in USA after the sentence is already given?

[@Kami3Kaze]

@@fumblingeverywhere pretty sure it isn't

[@macrent2]

The kitchen calls however, as does the cleaning of my apartment....!

[@MsLH208]

perhaps he should have went a little bit lighter on that judge. maybe she would have work some magic to get him out of there or something or lessen his time

[@AprilGabrielle]

This is what started his nightmares.

[@heilvictory729]

So...she should of done something to help him

[@albertaluckygirltsp]

And kudos to the character for her self questioning. Great writing. Free Rebadow!!!!

[@leroysinclair8499]

Ms Crock

[@fluffynoses]

this is the reason why women should never be judges...or lawyers for that matter

[@Cyrax4d]

They let their stupid emotions cloud their feeble minds

[@willia3r]

No not really. Male judges are just as much azzhats. White male judges at that. Just ask the many black men who have been falsely accused and made to serve over 30 years. It's no different. Actually quite worse.

[@waivedwench]

Troll.

[@TotallyNotALolicon]

@@willia3r Making it about race I see

[@willia3r]

@@TotallyNotALolicon but it’s okay to make it about gender.🤪

[@foolishdrunk2181]

Your CRIME got you locked up, not the judge. If anything, he should have gotten twice as much time

[@edgar22452]

Ok? So why is the judge apologizing now genius?