Before Dookie 2: How Punk Became Pop (1988-94)

[@TrashTheory]

Hey! Just so you know, there's now an official Trash Theory Spotify playlist which features a selection of songs from recent videos with new songs added every two weeks. Check it out and give it a follow: tinyurl.com/yxp32pjf Deezer version: tinyurl.com/y2mdp8h2 The full playlist with all the bands mentioned in the video and more is available now on Patreon: tinyurl.com/yxshq8jn

[@LongListOfErrors]

Trash Theory any tentative release date for the Fugazi video?

[@TrashTheory]

Early September. It won't be the next video.

[@senormarcor]

Trash Theory wait when was there a mention of Carly Rae Jepsen?!?

[@TrashTheory]

She's mentioned in the Robyn video from last month

[@senormarcor]

Trash Theory oooh. I thought it was a playlist based on the 2 parter haha.

[@ThompterSHunson]

The Offspring and the vastly underrated songwriting talent of Dexter Holland deserve their own episode.

[@patswayze7359]

Underrated? Dude, they are huge and sold millions of albums.thats not underrated

[@TraceyAllen]

@@patswayze7359I think he means amongst the punk scene. Seen them twice in 93 and in 94. Pre smash, and just as it dropped. $5 with the Bouncing Souls I believe. They were immediately called sell outs when they got played on mtv. They are still one of my favorite bands of all time.

[@jessejames-]

@@patswayze7359 The Offspring sucked in concert I remember when in 92-94? their bus broke down and had to close after Pennywise .... they sucked so bad I felt sorry for them....they could not compete ...

[@OpaqueVisions47]

This is the most in depth & informative video on this subject that I've ever seen. Thank you so much.

[@OpaqueVisions47]

@Enda Dorgan I haven't but definitely will now. Thanks for the recommendation.

[@jiffah]

It's ONENINENINEFOUR actually ;)

[@JackpotPlus]

@Enda Dorgan ₩!

[@CoinOpTV]

Excellent recap of all the classic punk bands - brought back memories!

[@Bryman5000]

Pop punk

[@DaDinkler]

Glad you gave The Muffs a shoutout, super underrated band these days.

[@clamum]

I lol'd when I saw their name. 👍

[@matthewmains2462]

Just watched this and saw the Muffs and had to check the date, but Kim Shattuck died two months after this was published.

[@shipwreckedonapopulatedisland]

Been a punk and hardcore enthusiast for a long time now and I still learnt plenty from this 2 part series.

[@cobbler88]

IDK. A decent amount of info there, but I'm not sure it all follows in as much of a straight chronological line as they seem to present it. Sometimes things develop independently rather than one influencing the other. It's like the books that claim that - because there are pyramids in Africa and South America/Mexico - explorers from one place must have traveled to the other. The fact of the matter is that back in the day no one knew how to built "up" without doing it in the form of a pyramid.

[@Gilpow]

Well, that's strange. All these info should be pretty well known for a fan of the genre.

[@yonathanasefaw9001]

I love punk too but I think it's changed. (Maybe for the better) I also like post-hardcore as that is more or my style.

[@shipwreckedonapopulatedisland]

@@Gilpow nice generic response. Depends on when you got into it, where you are from and what time we're talking about, how much access you had to information regarding said topic. I guess answers are black and white though when you're an elitist know it all muppet.

[@Gilpow]

@@shipwreckedonapopulatedisland Uhm, I don't think I've had it particularly favorable. Started being a punk nerd at 14, in 2008, when I got internet access, and I am from Italy. As for the access to the info, I guess all of us with an internet connection have a pretty good access to all these info...

[@ghostfacedragon]

I was 13 years old in 1994. These bands and albums were so influential to me. I will always love pop punk!

[@clamum]

I was 11 and didn't get into punk for another few years but I got into Nirvana in around 1995 and punk a couple years after. I don't listen to music much like I used to but all the stuff I do listen to is mostly what I listened to in high school and college lol.

[@zulfhashimmi2040]

Me too was 13 and I remember the day dookie was released I wasn’t impressed at that time

[@alexcamp9320]

This was a masterwork of KZbin essays. I’m going to be playing punk non-stop for the next couple of weeks.

[@ianobrien3248]

This makes me want to start an Eagles cover band

[@evilsimeon]

Whenever I hear eagles I turn off the radio.

[@BarkertheScrunkly]

Thanks for mentioning The Dead Milkmen! Most pieces on pop punk history leave them out. The fact that they were regularly being played on MTV almost ten years before the late 90's pop punk boom is really significant. They don't deserve to be ignored.

[@shawnsnow2655]

Was wondering myself if he would ignore the surf punk influence on punk here in America. Dead Milkmen were everywhere on college radio.

[@TraceyAllen]

A truly underrated band. Metaphysical graffiti is an all time favorite. Methodist coloring book. 😂

[@rubendurango667]

Pumped for the Fugazi video. Be even more pumped for a solo Jawbreaker video.

[@MrGreif]

Ruben Durango YES we need a Jawbreaker video

[@itsanothercritic3717]

Ruben Durango ^

[@6AM_YT]

Just watch the Jawbreaker documentary on Prime video.

[@rubendurango667]

@@6AM_YT sure, man, if I could afford Prime or consider supporting Amazon.

[@vanguardcycle]

10000000% agree. Please do a Jawbreaker vid!

[@ncochran01]

It's crazy how people get caught up on labels. I don't care if Offspring or Green Day are considered punk or anything else. I just knew that I really liked what they were doing. It was perfect as I was growing up.

[@TraceyAllen]

It’s not that these bands changed, the public perception changed. Just like Metallica after 91.

[@chikish]

I discovered Green Day in 1997 at the age of 12. I grew up in Mexico and at the time was listening to mostly local music and a lot of mainstream pop. One day, my friend Ruben let me borrow his Sony "Discman" and Dookie was playing. After that I never looked back.

[@grubbybum3614]

Commiserations, 12 years old is to young to be assualted with horrible music, such as Green Day.

[@rickyspanish3053]

@@grubbybum3614 What band would you consider good then?

[@grubbybum3614]

@@rickyspanish3053 I don't think any band stays good forever ,but my favourite would be Faith No Mores 'angel dust', Nine Inch Nails 'downward spiral' and a modern band like King Gizzard or Tame Impala.

[@grubbybum3614]

@@recreationalelmersglue6053 I used to listen to Green Day in the early 90s, had their CDs. Then they sold-out hard.

[@lorenzoj1923]

Grubby bum lmao you have shit taste

[@sigmund3023]

Now this is epic. In all seriousness, punk and pop punk has probably been the soundtrack of my childhood. From Green Day, Bad Religion, early Offspring, and yes, even Blink. And this video was possibly one of, if not, the greatest videos you ever made.

[@SkaYouth]

Yes, good job for mentioning The Muffs. They are such an underrated punk rock band.

[@skunker666]

I'm 19 and I grew up in basically a screeching weasel cult. Both my parents have weasel tattoos, I have a weasel tattoo and boogadaboogadboogada tramp stamp on my back. Screeching weasel is like, my favorite fucking band ever.

[@el3026]

How long until this video gets taken down for having five seconds of a King Crimson song?

[@rickyhunt4075]

Even Led Zeppelin and Jay Z would be shocked at how often King Crimson copyright strikes a vid. It's unreal and technically it's not A Copyright violation under Fair Use which allows Scholarly study which of course this is but KZbin never sides with the Content Creator and doesn't enforce Fair Use.

[@skulengu6854]

Robert Fripp (the guitarist and leader and I suppose owner of King Crimson) declared in the program for the Thrak tour, that punk was a much needed and necessary change in light of the commercialism that pervaded progressive rock. While he plays like a progressive rocker, he has taken a much more punk attitude and direction away from mainstream music. I do know that he has long had complete artistic control of his music. He releases it all now on his own label and he also has a complete mobile recording unit that makes bootlegging entirely pointless. I think he would be more likely to respect the acknowledgment than to fight use of his material. But, this was their first recording (In the Court of the Crimson King) and it was released on Island Records which is currently owned by Universal Music Group, so they may fight it, but it would not be the fault of the band/Fripp.

[@georgeprice7922]

@@skulengu6854 not in America. In The Court Of The Crimson King was on Atlantic, not Island.

[@skulengu6854]

@@georgeprice7922 Wikipedia lists the record label as Island Atlantic. It is hard to keep track of who owns whom in the recording world. I tried scanning through the stories of Island and Atlantic but as far as Atlantic goes, I don't see any relationship between the two companies. Atlantic may have made a deal for the rights of In the Court of the Crimson King, or Atlantic may somehow be owned by a parent company that also owns Island. At any rate, I still don't believe Robert Fripp owns those early recordings, but perhaps he does. I also believe that people think that they have the freedom to other people's intellectual property. If an artist, management company or record label does not allow for the use of their material, they can say so because they paid for it. People can always contact an artist, label or management and ask to work out a deal. I would love to see them being more sympathetic to fans, but I would also like to see fans be more sympathetic to those who hold (and paid for) the recordings both audio and visual.

[@eliasmg9144]

King Crimson skips those five seconds *THIS IS KING CRIMSON'S ABILITY*

[@jackmcgrath2634]

You should do a vid on second wave/Midwest emo in the 90s The Promise Ring Cap’n Jazz Get Up Kids Sunny Day Real Estate Braid American Football Etc

[@Janes_cafe]

Yesss!

[@koenwieringa1904]

Yes!! I'd like to see that.

[@youtubs3]

Yes please

[@jackmcgrath2634]

Get Real Politics Ik they were from Seattle but they had a similar sound at the same time as the rest so they all get lumped in together

[@vitorpavani7125]

Omg, yes

[@Droggelbecher]

PUP's DVP was the perfection selection to end this montage. I adore them. Once again, thank you for your great work!

[@notehden]

The fact you even played a Propagandhi song made me giddy like a school girl. Nothing’s better than hearing a local band get recognized.

[@EliseOfTheValley]

I’m so glad you’re doing justice to the punk scene with these videos

[@blameitonyaboi]

referencing The Ergs and Exploding Hearts made me respect this channel so much more

[@Lasergunjesus]

I came here to say something real similar. And did so, in fact, before seeing this comment.

[@rexology_bg]

I also came here to say basically this. Guitar Romantic is one of my favourite albums (even though I'm not thrilled with the mix). Amazing band, Exploding Hearts. Ergs are great too.

[@AsAngelsSing]

Very very good! I was turned on to punk in the late 70's, then I turned my back on it when it went pop. I was always under the impression that punk bands sold themselves out by changing their music! I have recently realized that nothing really changed. It was that "time" had finally caught up with punk rock!

[@GREENACEx009]

Are you going to do a post Dookie video? This was great

[@Gilpow]

Please, no

[@Gilpow]

I can sum it up for you if you want: utter trash

[@brandonpage7087]

Gilpow, I disagree, at least concerning the mid to late 90s, & early 2000s. There was still alot of great music, including rock & roll, coming out during that period, that deserves its own video.

[@joemiller7082]

@@Gilpow there’s some fantastic pop punk after 1994. The Copyrights, Dear Landlord, Banner Pilot, The Menzingers, Hot Water Music, Dillinger Four…

[@akadros310]

You guys are pretty thorough. My friend and I did a punk rock show in college during most of this period of time (90-94). At first we were playing mostly classic punk rock but we had BoogadaBoogadaBoogada at the radio station and it lead us to MaximumRocknRoll where we ended up just going through the magazine and sending letters to bands and indie labels that we found in there. This opened up the floodgates for us. We ended up getting so many great underground punk rock records. Many of these bands like Screeching Weasel and NOFX practically had no following when we first started and by time were done with our show they had blown up. It was a really interesting time to be involved with the scene.

[@zxzxxzxz3303]

Finally... Someone talk about "Screeching weasel" Woo oh ow ow owww...

[@johnnyk3788]

this is why I kept checking back for 2+ weeks. I saw the next vid was going to showcase Screeching Weasel. One of the best punk rock bands of all time (in my opinion).

[@johnnyk3788]

@Seth Ellison would it be better if they support Bernie, or Kamala?

[@ComePoopAtMyHouse1]

Get off my back

[@ComePoopAtMyHouse1]

@Seth Ellison its not exactly rebelious to be anti trump. I think a case can be made that it may be more punk to be right of center in this climate.

[@nealwesco7465]

@@ComePoopAtMyHouse1 So being a rank and file Democrat?

[@P3rm4frost]

Thank you for introducing me to all those bands I've never had a clue of! Your videos are the best way to learn about music and rock history in general.

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Man, 24 Hour Revenge Therapy is just a fucking masterpiece. Also, props for shouting-out Guitar Romantic. The Exploding Hearts were taken from us too soon.

[@joemiller7082]

My literal favorite record of all time.

[@Krissypoo508]

This was much better than your normal youtube video essay, this (being 2 parts) if a full on documentary. I'd love to see this continued into a video about pop punk after 1994 all the way up til todays pop punk

[@evannewell3335]

I feel like the pixies also deserve some credit.

[@nachovichoZX]

The Pixies are more influencial in the Alternative Rock perspective than in the Punk, but no worries, The Pixies are one of my favorites band of all time and one of the best bands of the 80's.

[@osmankovacevic6135]

@@nachovichoZX the most important band since music was started with Pythagoras

[@austintrousdale2397]

david husband ☹️

[@UntilTheSilence]

Agreed. If you're going to mention Nirvana, you can't skip Pixies.

[@krisfrederick5001]

They get it from the people that don't rely on youtube videos for knowledge. Right? right.

[@davidcross701]

This the best channel for the history of Alternative Music by FAR!!!!!

[@jiffah]

I expected the Queers when you mentioned Ramones-core hehe

[@Pop_A_Chaderall]

Great band

[@amievil2261]

Saw those Queers at the Seattle EMP.

[@DaveSCameron]

And leave out the Ponderosa Glee Boys?

[@clamum]

Favorite band ever. Got two Queers shirts in my closet and I'm 38 years old. I'm guessing Joe must be getting up there himself, haha.

[@stevenhaas9622]

in a bit of irony I saw the queers open for Green Day in Detroit.

[@gnarpow]

Wow. Unbelievable two part series. I was first year college in 91 and remember loving all these bands but def could not see the interconnection you spelled out so well. I knew it existed, but not to this level of refinement. Excellent work amigo!

[@docd-monik4380]

In 1994 I was all about some Green Day. My folks said their music wouldnt amount to anything in the pages of rock history. Now they are one of the most influential bands in the history of rock.

[@AXPena]

Your videos have introduced to so many punk acts I've heard of but never listened to before. I feel like a teenager again. Thank you!

[@dillonwilson5126]

I’m so happy you put in DVP by PUP

[@bulldogfront666]

Dillon Wilson yeah man. Pop punk/emo is still alive and well, with bands like Pup, Jeff rosenstock, remo drive, sorority noise. Always stoked to get new, we’ll written punk in the vein of the stuff I grew up with.

[@thepriestunknown3999]

i loved this video, i really appreciate that you play samples of the songs so that we can actually hear the changes

[@theScourgeOfStoneMeadows]

Knocked it out of the park again Sir! Keep em' coming!! 👍👊🏼

[@vicjames3256]

Kudos for the PUP love at the end! Along with focusing to Operation Ivy, Screeching Weasels, et al.

[@Flojer0]

"They decided to take part and make Sweet Children." Either I'm out of the loop on a classic joke, or this has been waiting a couple of decades to happen.

[@abbynormal9050]

I have thoroughly enjoyed every video I’ve watched on your channel and often leave feeling inspired and energized. Thank you for your thorough analysis of these varying music genres.

[@TheJoemm]

I always wondered where 90s alternative music came from. It seemed very distinct and different from mainstream music in the 70s and 80s. These videos were really interesting to follow. I didn't realize the depth and influence of non-mainstream punk bands in the prior decades.

[@seniaderene667]

i always remember first time teen spirit hit the world.

[@tombuck]

I’ve been waiting for this video! Love the deep dives into history.

[@archer1949]

It was those cheap Epitaph, Lookout and Dischord compilation tapes and CD’s that got me into the Punk genre back in the day. I couldn’t afford to drop 13 bucks on a Metallica or Guns n Roses album, but 8 bucks for 20+ tracks were right up my alley.

[@liammartin6636]

Very well researched. Too often I see retrospectives about punk that just ignore anything that never got popular, so I'm glad you didn't do that. Really I'm just happy any time I see The Ergs in a video

[@noahr4951]

Thanks for this video series. I was 14 when Dookie came out. It was just about all I listened to for about a year. It was the album that made me want to play guitar. And now I am in Bon Jovi. Nah, but still, good video.

[@ana-es9iu]

music history is one of the coolest subjects in the world. Amazing video, mate!

[@johnnyk3788]

Would love to see a vid about the rise / fall / rise / fall of Screeching Weasel. One of my favorite punk bands of all time (and still going in a sense).

[@MrVisde]

I’d love that too. I started listening to them in ‘94, but even by then it was too late. They were no longer touring and BW was becoming really eccentric. I think at one point in the 90s he put the band on hiatus to blog about a minor league ice hockey team in Indiana. Anyway, my point being that when I got into SW, it seemed like their best days were behind them. Loved that sound though.

[@smallfaucet]

No one writes songs like Greg Graffin and Brett Gurwitz........no one! Ever enjoy Subhumans or Pegboy? Archers of loaf? Dead Milkmen!! SO AMAZINGLY GREAT! Face to face....wow! And I have to say: the offspring were never good LOL!!!This is a great show you've made mate!

[@LividImp]

1:23 To be fair, there were tons of great punk bands that incorporated synths into their sound (The Screamers, The Nuns, The Damned, etc.), but oooooh lord is that 1983 Bad Religion album was burning garbage. Hilariously bad. And it has nothing to do with the synth and everything to do with trying to make a commercially viable album. I basically wrote them off as a band until someone introduced me to their earliest stuff which is really good. A lot of punk bands got caught up in that trap in the mid-80s. Even X, one of the greatest punk bands of all time, put out a 1985 stinker in the form of "Ain't Love Grand".

[@michaelschneider4701]

Right place at the right time, won’t happen ever again, on this planet anyways, glad I was able to be part of it.

[@1thess523]

I've been listening to punk since around 86but I've never adopted the "punk" attitude so i never considered bands who signed to major labels as sell outs but what I did consider a sell out was a band who changed their style to become famous.

[@sonikku956]

That's what I consider selling out too.

[@wantutosigh1117]

I agree

[@wantutosigh1117]

Bad Religion needs to start being mentioned when we talk about greatest/most import/most influential punk bands of all time. They belong in the conversation.

[@JG-zq9qw]

Did you watch the video?

[@wantutosigh1117]

@@JG-zq9qwyes. Hence my comment.

[@senormarcor]

Awesome 2 parter. I discovered some bands through both videos and shout-out for having Riot! as a landmark album. The giant Paramore fan in me squealed

[@RandyHughesrapidrandy]

God Bless Larry Livermore and Lookout! Records. The Queers, Mr. T Experience, and The Parasites are a few who definitely deserve to be grouped alongside Screeching Weasel. Overall, you guys did an excellent job digging deep into some of the bands who never get mentioned despite their importance.

[@snorlax5127]

Rapid Randy Hughes Yeah, I was surprised he didn't mention The Queers or MTX in this video.

[@rokkkrinn2793]

You mentioned Alkaline Trio, my favorite of these groups. Mostly due to their morbid lyrics on Good Mourning and Crimson. Great couple videos, dude.

[@usualsuspektt]

ALK3, what a great band. A shame skiba can't get his full potential on blink :(

[@ResistReact]

I loved both of these videos and would love to see more on pop punk at some point! Bringing it up to the present day

[@mikerentiers]

A good analysis of how the major bands sounds led to Pop-Punk. I am just amazed that the Misfits were left out. They are probably the most directly covered true punk band. Bands continue to cover their songs. Additionally their iconography is still today the most recognized in the rock n roll world.

[@marcus8176]

Awesome Part 2 ! Would have loved you touching on how Green Day was blacklisted from Gillman and ended up writing 86 on their Insomniac album which referenced them trying to return and being asked to leave. Lots of ostracization in the bay area punk scene

[@LittleMusicBoxes]

Waves of nostalgia wash over me. Having lived through all this, its so fascinating to see it all organized in a historical "this, then that" perspective. Moar pls!

[@jackfootemoji9077]

These videos have taught me so much about the music I love, thank you so much

[@182mehmetkoc]

5:34 young Billie Joe listening to Lookouts having a beer

[@ligmaballs2022]

8:01 is that also young Billie?

[@GodsBurden]

Can you do one on the horrorpunk genre?

[@xenos_n.]

I'd love to see that but I don't think it's popular enough for Trash Theory to delve into.

[@SgtSlimon]

Thank you for your efforts making this video. Its relevant and nice to show everyone, me included, what the punk music scene is, and was all about. Thanks

[@thevfxmancolorizationvfxex4051]

Could you do next how Psychedelic/Acid/Blues Rock became Heavy Metal?

[@johnravely2872]

Ever feel like there is a direct spiritual link or evolution which ran from Black Sabbath->Faith No More->Korn?

[@SonOfOdin777]

That never happened dude.

[@GrimmFLawless]

John Ravely Yes of course Metal-Funk Metal-Nu Metal. Jane’s Addiction is another good mention

[@SonOfOdin777]

@Marvin Bennett blues was never a thing in England, and that's where Black Sabbath and Metal were born. Most forms metal take hard inspo from classical and jazz music. Hard rock takes some inspo from blues and rock n roll...

[@deanroddey2881]

@@SonOfOdin777 Well, depends on your time frame. English rock bands of the 60s and 70s were immensely blues influenced, as were rock bands of the US at that time. And bands like Black Sabbath are just a point along that line moving forward, hence all the stuff that derived from them. All rock derived music sounds like it does today because of the blues, no matter how far it's ultimately strayed. And of course the blues were a mix of western classical and African influences. Jazz then developed out of the blues, and then was mixed back into that blues rock based stream and it goes around and around, with new influences being mixed in over time (Latin, Reggae, Eastern, Indian, etc...) So almost all rock based music goes back to the blues one way or another.

[@Aduder999]

Thanks alot for these videos man. Absolutely loved em. I'm 38 and grew up on alot of that pop punk stuff. So many great bands mentioned!

[@clamum]

Same here bruh, 38 too. The stuff I listened to in high school and college is still what I listen to now haha.

[@marsimus13]

Dookie era is my favourite era! before was too "noisy" for me, and after was too pop. Chesire Cat, Dude Ranch, Kerplunk, Dookie, Ignition, Smash and Punk In Drublic are my definite go-to pop-punk albums

[@camilasuarez4596]

Selected this video as fast as I possibly could. Amazing vid!!

[@LividImp]

Funny story about the Offspring. A friend of mine had a small punk record label (I don't want to dox him, so let's just call him "G") and he put out one of their earlier records. After they got big around '94, "G" got drunk and in a fit of jealousy he called Dexter to chastise him for being a "sellout", but he only got the answering machine. So he left this long rambling message about being a sellout on the machine. So Dexter, if by some miracle you ever read this, that is what that (likely completely unintelligible) message on your machine was. XD

[@cremetangerine82]

Isn’t Dexter working on research for his Ph.D.?

[@LividImp]

@@cremetangerine82 No idea. I wasn't a fan really. I mainly listened to the 70s/80s punk in those days, despite having connections to 90s scenesters. My only connection here is the one degree of separation. But it is pretty common for punks to get highly educated, so that would not surprise me.

[@cremetangerine82]

@@LividImp It looks like Dexter Holland attained a PhD degree in molecular biology three years ago. Impressive!

[@clamum]

Dexter is great, I like me some Offspring.

[@IntenseHistory]

Offspring doesn’t get the respect they deserve

[@buddeng]

Great stuff. We definitely need one of these videos about Leatherface, Frankie Stubbs, Jess etc!

[@some5dude]

So when is part 3 (1994-2019) coming out?

[@FrennisDaemon]

Um... that would be After, not Before...

[@spazbog123]

Its not. Apart from farting out the odd good song music has been dead since then. Well maybe 1994 to late 90's maybe even really early 2ks aint so bad but the rest is shit (as long as you look sexy on a stage, don't worry about the sound we made a computer algorithm that makes you sound like what we think is good).

[@LividImp]

@@spazbog123 That's mainly true in the Top40 scene, but it has always been true. In individual genres there has still been a lot of good stuff that people just aren't hearing. I heard all the same "music is dead" refrains in the 80s too, yet most people nowadays would claim the 80s is the pinnacle of pop music....and there might be a legitimate reason for that. I think the power of the music scenes in the 70s-80s-90s came from the fact that there were still independent DJs on some major radio stations. Stuff that is considered mild adult rock now (B-52s, Cure, etc.) was considered weird and dangerous in the early 80s (in the US anyway). It took DJs willing to spin that music to get it to a point it was considered your grandma's music. But now there are no DJs, no one to curate the music. Every radio station is owned by the same 2-3 companies and all of the music selection is made by bean-counters in a corporate office.

[@vincvf]

@Zerozerozero loads of good ones now though

[@KindredBrujah]

@@spazbog123 Lol, perhaps good music in the punk genre is dead, but it's certainly not dead in other genres. Some of the pest prog metal music has been made this century. In fact, some of the best metal generally has been made this century.

[@Donnelly19508]

Hits right in the childhood, don't make me cry at my dead end job!

[@chrisrosenkreuz23]

"you start a punk band cause you're ostracized then you get big and you get ostracized again" so basically... selling out is the most punk thing EVER

[@andrewt836]

I fucking love the punk energy in all of this music. So raw and so contagious!

[@chadly63]

Back in college, in our music class we watched a video about punk. It talked about The Ramones and The Sex Pistols, and then went straight to Nirvana, without talking about anything that happened in-between those bands. I feel like this would have been a WAY better video to watch in a music history class.

[@ggghostchant]

Great vids. Kinda shocked by the lack of mention of No Use For A Name tho. Rest in power Tony Sly

[@zietgiestnewspeak6143]

I remember Green Day took sooo much shit from their own scene for signing to Reprise. Maximum RocknRoll was relentless in leading the "holier than thou" bullshit. They got 86'd from Gilman too.

[@xenos_n.]

There's no return from 86. Don't even try.

[@BVonBuescher]

Good shit bro! Brought back some great memories. Last time I felt like this was Goldenvoice 25 in LA

[@elManu7one2]

I didn't hear anything about Dag Nasty/Down by Law/All (Dave Smalley) and they were also pioneers in the early pop punk beginning!

[@satanicexistentialist6631]

All is the Descendents. Just without Milo.

[@ianhalbert2539]

Great video, I now have plenty more bands to look into. I’m pretty familiar with the early punk/hardcore scene but haven’t been exposed to a lot of 90s punk so I’m looking forward to diving into the genre.

[@adiversion9413]

Into the Unknown is awesome and nobody can tell me otherwise!

[@stevenhaas9622]

the songs are great. I wish Bad Religion would re-record it with their more traditional instrumentation. Jawbreaker's cover of Chasing the Wild Goose goes to show how great those songs were.

[@TheDealer1228]

This two part series was fascinating! Thank you.

[@alastairgough7337]

There should be video on new wave

[@1thess523]

I second that

[@nickgreg78]

Just watched the 2 parts for the first time, amazing work, was expecting to hear some DRI but no worries, these are amazing docus you are producing mate, keep up the great work!

[@TimmyCherry]

1994 was a good year to become a teenager

[@all2envyms3]

Same here. I turned 14 that year

[@chablebarrett8106]

The 80s was better, you got our leftovers 😄

[@joemiller7082]

Yeah. I was 15 when 1994 started. Until late 93, I had mostly been listen to metal. I heard Recipe for Hate and it blew my mind. Then all of these records came out and by 95, I was almost exclusively listening to punk.

[@benski116]

Only just discovered your videos. Great watching, thanks for putting these together….

[@nrXic]

For some reason I paused the video after Fat Mike's quote and listened to most of Suffer again. I've been listening to all of Bad Religion's discography in anticipation for their latest album that came out this year, but wanted to hear Suffer again in a historical context. Also, I saw Bad Religion play Delirium of Disorder on a live recording last year and man that song is just awesome live.

[@nickrosetti9224]

That was fucking awesome!!!! It's funny, almost every band you mentioned I grew up listening to. Green Day and face to face are my two favorites if I had to pick. But I like Blink, screaching Weasel, SUm 41, Dillinger, NOFX. Fat, Lookout and Epitaph was the absoulte best thing ever!!!

[@westboundsign]

The Queers! I think Ramonescore then and now are so important. Plus my take on the 5 eras of pop punk: 1. Ramones, Buzzkills (punk with pop influences) 2. Screeching Weasel, the Queers (pop punk and hardcore) 3. Blink, New Found Glory, Green Day (definitive pop punk that's still got some heaviness and chug to it) 4. We the Kings, Mayday Parade (softer pop punk bands with more pop and starting emo influences) 5. The Wonder Years, Real Friends (pretty much emo music that's considered pop punk somehow)

[@JohnEpi]

Such hi value content in a video. This guy is solid gold. Great presentation of bands and their sounds. Really = thanx . I guess New model Army, now would be appropriate to videograph .

[@maxmoseley6330]

Fripp’s coming to copyright strike this video for that 2 second clip of epitaph

[@speelbergo]

Killer retrospective! Glad you could de-villanize the term pop punk

[@v-g-z3689]

Next episode: After Dookie: How Pop Punk stayed alive (1994-2000)

[@pantsnjacket381]

Right! 1997-2004!

[@glenndanzigsemployeeplease7638]

@@pantsnjacket381 I see u everywhere

[@pantsnjacket381]

@@glenndanzigsemployeeplease7638 exactly

[@davidhenderson9707]

Sorry but… How Pop-Punk began to really suck would be the title

[@JG-zq9qw]

@@pantsnjacket381 What bands do you like from that era? That's my time

[@draculawolfman1502]

Really surprised how good this is. Never expected to see the likes of Crimpshrine. Well done.

[@manmadegod100]

D.R.I. was great punk in the early 80's.

[@johndelye3402]

More like thrashcore,but they still deserve a look into

[@BW-dv5cd]

" Dealing with it" is a masterpiece!!!

[@johnnyswatts]

Yeah, but they weren't pop.

[@Rumham666]

You're damn right

[@sdoe7381]

D.R.I. is a straight hardcore punk rock band that crossed over later. Not pop punk at all

[@MIKERUPTION]

Great doc! Very comprehensive.

[@vinylrichie007]

Melodic Punk is a great form of Punk. When it comes to Pop Punk it is no longer Punk when it is Pop. Pop Punk is an oxymoron.

[@nealwesco7465]

Someone doesn't know how genre definitions work

[@vinylrichie007]

@@nealwesco7465 I don't know a lot of things but I do know that most genres are bullshit.

[@chrisw3147]

Thank you SO MUCH for this video. I love it!

[@TrevorandRana]

can someone make a Spotify playlist of every band that's mentioned in these two videos

[@jotapatton8332]

Nostalgic doc, beautiful, thanks 👌