Behind The Sound®: Inside the McIntosh Factory

[@brentcollins9727]

13 years later, in 2024, McIntosh is still at the top of the audio world. I love my integrated hybrid MA352 with Sonus Faber Sonetto 3 speakers.

[@stanstanly3812]

Been waiting 45 years to own a McIntosh. Just ordered a MA5300.

[@InCountry6970]

I still run my McIntosh, amps and pre-amp today. Units I bought in the late 90's

[@stevencoffeen6684]

I experienced Macintosh when I was 13, I am 74 now, and the first equipment I acquired was 51 years ago, an amp and and a tuner-pre-amp, and both are still performing quite well. I added two other pieces a bit later and are now in the 40 plus year old range, and, also, performing quite well. I miss the service clinics that they used to have, but the quality of the product remains albeit the price reflects its quality. I asked a sales person at an MC store about how people afford this stuff and it was explained rather simply: some people spend their money on guns or cars or sporting equipment and some people spend their money on fine audio.

[@chuckHinton]

Sure enough, I've had a $3,000 Stereo in a $500 car... :P

[@rogertycholiz2218]

Steven - Some people spend money on guns, cars and aircraft. They also own McIntosh!

[@cengeb]

And smarter consumers buy brands that ain't over priced for the product received.....marketing is McIntosh's biggest dept...using output transformers on solid state electronics is a dopey as it gets.

[@JJ305JJ]

@@cengeb marketing? how so? can you say that about other audio brands? i seldom see any advertisements for audio equipment, its barely there... can you elaborate on your last statement on using output transformers on solid state electronics and why its "dopey"?

[@cengeb]

@@JJ305JJ The ending of vacuum tubes on output stages means ya don't need a transformer to match the load impedance to the output of the amplifiers....Solid state cured everything. Using it on SS, by McIntosh is just a gimmick, and waste. It actually y hampers proper operation of the transistors. EXICON MOSFETS for the win..Using output transformers adds weight, unnecessary useless costs, it's called OBSOLETE technology

[@monica93304]

Wow! I guess the hunt for McIntosh vintage audio begins. It's great to know you can send it back to them to get refurbished.

[@robertreynolds2212]

Went ahead & purchased an MHA200 headphone amplifier & couldn’t be any more pleased. The midrange is traditional McIntosh & it’s oh so good. First tube amp in my collection & may very well be my endgame for quite some time.

[@cars654]

Years ago I repaired a transistor McIntosh amp and pre-amp for a buddy that he picked up at a garage sale for a hundred bucks. The biggest mistake I made was testing them on my system after I repaired them. The control and accuracy of those components blew me away. There was no left or right just a beautiful wall of sound. I listened to them for a week, I lied to him and told him I had to order some parts from back east. I forget the model of the amp. but it was so simple in design using the fewest number of components but I think the output transformers were one of the big reasons for the great sound . The pre-amp only needed the controls to be cleaned and the amp. had been repaired by someone who used the wrong components and damaged some transistors in the driver board for one channel.

[@walterkraml7586]

FINALLY! After 50 years of music listening I obtain a MC462 between Dr. Feickerts Venti & Vero and Totems Wind. Good sound is in da house!

[@BanBiofuels]

I was born in 1949, so I know how old the company is. The first high end system I ever heard was a Mac tube preamp and power amp connected to a pair of very large ADS acoustic suspension speakers. It sounded really great.

[@cengeb]

Actually when i was a kid I heard teh McIntosh fancy setup, then I went and heard teh much lower cost Dynaco ST70 and Dyna PAM pre amps, McIntosh didn't sound as good, but looked fancy, not sound fancy. I wound up with Dyna ST-400 PAT5 pre amp, lots of Advent and AR and Dyna speakers all hooked up as one..blew the McIntosh away, biggley, for a lot less money. Same holds true today...McIntosh is grossly over priced, marketed to the unknowing, , all show, under performers. Current AVA VanAlstine 5200W RMS 4 mono amps around 1200-1400W EACH RMS MOSFETS output each mosfet can do like do some incredible voltage swings and high current, with freq responses to the stratosphere. driving Legacy Whispers, and several different SACD, DSD sources, and Audio Research and AVA hybrid pre amps, will play better than any thing grossly over priced in McIntosh..spend money wisely on electronics, not fancy boxes. It makes a difference...speaking of marketing, ya hardly ever see AVA advertise, same as Legacy, they sell them selves

[@MC-qj8yg]

Those McIntosh parties look dope! Seems like a good time.

[@Odin412z]

McIntosh is awesome! Truly an American icon.

[@cengeb]

On about it's 4th owner, and guess who owns it NOW? Wake up

[@turbo5483]

The only Mcintosh I own is the MC7106...24 yrs old and still sounds great

[@bobschenkel7921]

The Best Of The Best. That says it all.

[@ajayr8781]

A suggestion to Mcintosh management: there should be an option to get anodized aluminum body on the sides rather than all black. It will look out of this world. Trust me!

[@Ddimkas]

McIntosh is one of the best if not the best! I'm using their equipment in my car and i am amazed by it's sound quality.

[@josemirmauricio1644]

And so much quality That even the guy's voice is metallic

[@brown-eyedman4040]

Actually saw the 'Wall of Sound' at the Cow Palace back in the day. All those blue VU meters.

[@Cinziaking]

I was behind the stage at the Glen in 73 and clearly remember dozens of McIntosh amp boxes just tossed in a pile, I read later that they needed more power for the sound system and went to the factory( which was closed for vacation) but they got the owner or someone to open to buy a bunch of amps...still on my list of things I’d like someday...

[@Thermionman]

Nice! Interesting that tar is still used as potting material.......Some of my early 1930's radios use it as potting material in transformer, choke and capacitor cans......

[@cengeb]

output transformer on SS ckts is stupid!

[@machtschnell7452]

@@cengeb Only if you do not understand how they work.

[@cengeb]

@@machtschnell7452 I do, and that's why SS doesn't need them, it is dumb, , do some research. Nothing says OBSOLETE like obsolete circuits in 21st century

[@duanewhite3184]

I only wish I could own something like that nice equipment bought a pair of cerwin Vegas 20 years ago and they are still rocking to day would be nice to have a good amp to go along with them

[@wadesouza6402]

Got my first Mac piece in 1976, a used MA5100 upon high school graduation. Still have one as a backup integrated though it started having some issues a year ago on one channel and there is no local tech to fix it. I also have had others though my current is an upgraded MC250 power amp run direct w/a passive preamp as I love the old Mac sound and dont necessarily need tone controls. Its a first generation solid state product that sounds very tube-like. Run with my rebuilt Ohm Walsh 2-100s and Spendor S3/5 monitors it is fabulous. Folks come over and always comment on how good the music sounds. Been lusting after a MC275 or one of the newer integrateds for awhile but have not pulled the trigger yet. Have bought lots of other equipment over the years and listened to many other brands. Still own some of that stuff but I always find I come back to Mac. It just sounds like music and I think as an amateur musician I hear stuff with Mac I dont with others.

[@Ladco77]

It makes me happy that there are still companies in the U.S. that believe in quality and craftsmanship first.

[@blue03r6]

very rare these days. sadly. profit over quality is the new motto.

[@cengeb]

@@blue03r6 No PROFITS, no company, PROFITS matter. In 2020, having an output transformer on solid state audio amplifiers is absolute DUMB....nothing says OBSOLETE like still using circuit designs from 1956...vacuum tube amps, using tubes on the output stages is even DUMBER...MOSFETS, more current, much better, 2020, join it..fancy front panels, does not make better audio, it makes living room jewelry, not electronics excellence

[@blue03r6]

@@cengeb you know absolutely nothing about high end audio. mcintosh is world renowned as the best of the best audio equipment.

[@cengeb]

@@blue03r6 Funny stuff, you do know McIntosh is on about it's 3rd owner, trying to survive, Clarion once owned it, and made car stereos with the McIntosh logo, it was a failure...there is nothing in a McIntosh that makes it any better, it's a highly marketed name, with lots of foo foo...study electronics, and electrical engineering, and discover all the components are off the shelf stuff. Vertical integration at McIntosh is just proving they still think it's 1959...vertical integration is an obsolete method of mfg. inefficient, and expensive. winding your own transformer in 2020, is a dumb as it gets. Live events, professionals don't use Mcintosh, it's living room jewelry, not up to the abuses of the road, and live events, it is not the best, it's jewelry...bending your own chassis, and cutting your own front panels is dumb...companies that specialize in all that stuff, can do it better for less. It would be like a car company making their own windshields, and tires, DUMB!!! Output transformers on solid state electronics is dumber than dumb, and OBSOLETE design concepts..I don't know "anything" about high end audio, high end audio, is MARKETING, start learning and read some pro audio stuff, Live Sound International, Pro Sound News,Mix, Sound on Sound etc etc..not Stereoplake Mag or Absolute Nonsense Magazines , DEFINE world renowned....it's a meaningless buzz word...

[@blue03r6]

@@cengeb again, you know zero about high end stereo equipment. there's a reason why people buy these over brands with more electronics in them. the sound...is...superior. i'm done with you dickweed. you're an idiot. you couldn't tell the difference because you're the kind of guy that owns a soundbar for your home audio.

[@Badassvidsz]

Mc Intosh is the best hi-end brand for me :-)

[@peterkoulogeorgiou4895]

Agreed Mcintosh is awesome and the best

[@chuckHinton]

CEBGEB It is not actauly an output transformer, it is patented McIntosh Autoformer. The windings are not magnetically coupled, but directly coupled, it allws the amp to have multiple inpedance taps so yoo do not get 1/2 power on loads higher than a typical amp is made for, nor does the amp work too hard on lower impedances. The Autoformer does not effect frequiency response ( flat from 5Hz to 50kHz) or add noise like a typical transformer would.

[@machtschnell7452]

Also allows the amplifier to run at 2 ohms regardless of the nominal load the loudspeakers present.

[@cengeb]

@@machtschnell7452 My AVA rebuilt P500 run into below 2 OHMS with no issues, all 4 of them running MONO around 1200-1400 W EACH RMS yes 3 15 amp ckts to run them, very inefficient, but sound great, and will drive anything, down to 1 ohm if need be..no need for output transformer windings of any sort..Exicon MOSFETS...fantastic stuff indeed, drivine by a massive input AC line transformer and superb AVA driver ckts...and priced for mortals, not movie stars

[@1960shakey]

Dude sounds like he’s exhaling a toke on a joint.....

[@ChuzpahGoodfellow]

Awesome behind the scenes look. I'd rather have a had crafted receiver any day!

[@commodoresixfour7478]

70 likes you have to be kidding me. Thanks for not changing, a lot of other brands whent to crap. Its sad when a used 20 year old stereo sells for more than a new one of the same brand.

[@gideonkloosterman]

which ones did?

[@dreamrealitysyndrome]

I believe Nakamichi, as much as I hate to say it. Although, they did design a high end tube amplifier recently. I just don't know if it compares to their clean, old school designs

[@cengeb]

McIntosh is on about it's 4th owner, wonder why o why?

[@yogeshtailor4910]

I have a dream to own Macintosh audio equipment. Someday day in my life I will own it.

[@michaelwatkins8871]

Hope God blesses you

[@robertpincus6528]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I am. Powerguard is not used in tube amps, especially the "reissue" amps, like the MC275 and MC75. Isn't it just a bit ironic that the discussion on Powerguard is happening right when the MC275 is on display?

[@RayMelville]

5:17 Brand conscious not brand conscientious Great products and I love how they perform and look. Have MA5200, D100 and a head unit in my car.

[@cengeb]

You mean a CLARION head unit..Clarion was alos at one time owner, they are passed around, trying to survive, they won't

[@RayMelville]

@@cengeb No, I mean McIntosh head unit. Clarion never marketed their products under the McIntosh brand. They actually didn't interfere in the McIntosh management and operation. That was part of the deal.

[@Lockemeister]

That's amazing McIntosh still using tar. I guess cheaper than silicone or whatnot. Why reinvent the wheel?

[@BobBasshead]

Do you mean potting compound?

[@rogertycholiz2218]

@@BobBasshead- You could call it potting compound. It's actually good ole road tar.

[@boboutelama5748]

It would be nice to see more of the production and have less commercial smalltalk.

[@howardstever6676]

My MC2100 is over 45 years old. In for repair, one time.

[@hifijohn]

@4:20 they switched over to leds, wow, how innovative!!

[@BoogieMan568]

Ha has The voice of Jeff Daniels?😊

[@chuckHinton]

tell us how you really feel about it.... what sort of music is 'not garbage' in IYHO? Les Paul? John Lenon? John Mayer? Frank Sinatra? Ronnie Milsap? Keith Richards? Jimmy Page? Donovan? Josh Grobin? Elvis Costello? Neil Young? Barbra Streisand? Brian Wilson? they all own(ed) McIntosh. What do you have for a stereo?

[@kingbeyes57]

my dream to own a complete system when i hit lotto.2018

[@ЮрийКривощёков-ш3ж]

McIntosh275 это очень удачная схема! Я себе такой сам изготовил и очень доволен!

[@randygraff2825]

I wish I had a McIntosh.

[@seanwatts8342]

Where are the vacuum tubes made?

[@chuckHinton]

Czech Republic

[@boldello]

I still have the 6100 preamp I bought in 1974. It works great for about 10 minutes then volume blasts as loud as can be with no control, Any thoughts?

[@chuckHinton]

Hi Bob, This could be the volume control or several other things, like a cracked solder joint for one. It should be looked at by a tech to determine the actual cause. On our website, roll over the "support" tab, then choose "service network" enter your zip and expand the search radius as needed to find local service.

[@radiofun232]

Spray the potentiometers with contact fluid. When that does not help replace them and check (resolder) all soldering joints + replace the electrolytic capacitors. Check the mass (minus) wire (measure it with an ohms meter). That are the "standard issues" with a device of 1974.

[@honestaquarian1]

It’s Silver SPRING Maryland. Not Silver Springs

[@commodoresixfour7478]

I own a Marantz 2230 and KEF 107 speakers. So you know what that means, I wish I at least owned a 100watt x2 McIntosh Amp. The only thing stopping me is about $5000.

[@erikandersen2675]

I have the Marantz 4270 Quad with a some vintage Klipsch. Some day I'll have some McIntosh gear.

[@commodoresixfour7478]

Quad nice

[@thomassherman7985]

Ni

[@terrybeavan4264]

Oh yes I know what that means, I have a Marantz 2270 and KEF C55's that I've owned a very long time, can't imagine parting with my 2270 but I'm thinking really hard about a nice condition MAC1900 or 4100 receiver--I wonder if McIntosh can still service these if needed....

[@rogertycholiz2218]

@@erikandersen2675 - I have the Marantz 2500 and AR3A speakers. Some day I'll have McIntosh!

[@listerine-pr5lt]

This guy is too modest otherwise I am sure McIntosh already reinvented the wheel several times.

[@TheTherealdarkhorse]

I want to know if they will ever do a car audio deck again. 😢

[@cengeb]

Under Clarion ownership, it was a disaster...they tried to do the Harman or Bose, it FAILED, car audio marketing home audio brands...

[@machtschnell7452]

@@cengeb Like Bang and Olufsen or Bower Wilkinson? Then is Bose.

[@snortingmydeaddad]

New jeep cherokee has a Mac system

[@phantasm1004]

What a handsome bear Charlie Randall is!

[@biawa849]

My MC501 's transformer has a little humming noise. What should I do????

[@cengeb]

teach it the words to the songs, then it won't need to hum the words

[@dippin1523]

make their own transformers. nice

[@raphaelweb9677]

I would love to have McIntosh equipment. But my $200 Yamaha, to my ear, delivers wonderful sound, coupled with Klipsch speakers and S/W.....I'm dying to hit the factory in Binghamton see what I'm missing...because sitting in my listening room, with my equipment, I juts cannot imagine what it is. I guess it's all in the ear of the beholder....whatever sounds good to you is the best gear in the world for you.

[@intothevoid9831]

+Raphael Web You're not missing a thing.

[@Reuben007Ash]

Even Mr. Charlie Randall’s voice sounds like it came out from McIntosh factory.

[@Reuben007Ash]

McIntosh is absolutely for real music lovers. Best performance . Masterpiece. From lower price products to higher and most important thing : made in USA , not China :) I have the MA 5200 / MCD 350 and MR 87 on its way. Can’t wait to get this treasure..God bless the USA

[@cengeb]

and the components in the fancy boxes are from?

[@nomon95]

they refills his transformers with epoxy resin, but a barniz insulate boost before may be better, and make more compact the insulation. if the refill with epoxy would made in a vaccum chamber the epoxy go into all the coilsand cores. .

[@availablecreditband8227]

Tar, not Epoxy, epoxy will harden and fall apart in a few decades, McIntosh are still like brand new after a few decades...

[@machtschnell7452]

@@availablecreditband8227 Even after many. Transformers never fail unless handled incompetently.

[@chuckHinton]

John, Due to the fact that car makers integrated steering wheel controls, nav, and other stuff into their factory head units, one can not replace them w/o loosing those features. That and the fact that O.E.M. systems are now pretty good instead of horrible, the aftermarket car audio biz is down like %90 from the turn of the century. Perhaps McIntosh will get back into car audio someday, that would be awesome, because it was great stuff, but the demand would have to come back first I would think..

[@cygnusx211268]

+chuckHinton What? This simply isn't true. You can integrate steering wheel controls with a wiring harness just fine, and a lot of aftermarket head units come with navigation built in, which is often better than navigation that comes pre-installed with vehicles.

[@guywhite1004]

Look at the Jeep Grand Wagoneer - it has a McIntosh system available as an option. Of course the Jeep runs close to $100k.

[@kevinl6231]

I had about a 12 yr old processor. The picture and sound blinked in and out on me. I took it to a shop that specialized in McIntosh 2x attempting a fix. He made calls to McIntosh but all the kings horses and all the kings men could make it work. It went doornail on me and the tech gave up. Then he retired. I replaced it with a MX120 and it is starting to do the same thing. Apparently, you cannot leave it in standby mode indefinitely. Must do a hard shutdown. Unplug the power cord from the rear. I don’t think this is something you should do for a processor that initially retailed for $7000. I don’t think I can afford another, not even a used one.

[@chuckHinton]

Hi Kevin Sorry for the difficulty, picture and sound on the MX120 are different circuitry so your issue may be source or firmware related, please email us at [e-mail] and we should be able to resolve this. Leaving in standby will not cause issues, removing power every time may lead to occasional bad re-sets.

[@kevinl6231]

@@chuckHinton Hello Chuck. I didn’t see your reply till now. I do love your amplifiers though. My MC205 is going strong at 16 years. I just bought a MC462.

[@r5156c]

I’ve got a Mcintosh system in my ‘84 Porsche

[@hinterhofgarage]

I’m curious why do you pronounce the companies name “Macintosh” instead of McIntosh.

[@chuckHinton]

Because that's how Frank McIntosh pronounced it, and it's his name, so...

[@dippin1523]

i wonder just exactly how many audio manufacturers actually make their own transformers and don't farm them out?

[@chuckhinton3994]

I don't know of any others

[@kevtn8]

Luxman and McIntosh are the only ones. 2 iconic brands from opposite side of world. The only 2 brands that I would dare put my hard earned money on.

[@maddoxinc1642]

I use to love listening to music but then, McIntosh came along and proved me wrong. They showed me that unless I join an elite club of snobs who's first conversation is about how much they spent on their amps instead of how much they love the new album they found, then im just not really into "audio"... I appreciate the attention to detail but at the end of the day, you're just paying a premium for a name and a patent. If others made the "unity transformer", the rest is just your run of the mill electronics. I own some MC equipment and I would like to get more later. I really love the sound of tubes, I love being able to swap tubes and change the sound. I really like the sound of the MC 75, I prefer to use mono amps. That being said, the price premium holds me back. There are a lot of equally as good sounding amps out there for less. The only question then becomes, are you a MC fan boy or do you just love music? You can't be both without bias otherwise, you wouldn't spend the money knowing that sound is subjective and everyone swears they hear something different.

[@chuckHinton]

Nothing wrong with a pair of Klipsch on a Yammy, I'm sure it sounds quite good. drop us a line when you will be in the area on a weekday, I'll be happy to give you a tour and a demo of our 15,600 watt "because we can" theater... :)

[@smallmantis]

Damn Awesome!

[@cengeb]

Why would one want a transformer on the output of MOSFETS, it's just changing freq response etc.

[@harryt988]

Background music reminds me of the theme from the “Sopranos”

[@CABohol]

Nice

[@mediascribble]

They make terrific stuff with a lot of care in what they use, and how it's done. That being said there are other hifi components that achieve the same type of performance so when you're looking at performance value against cost, there are some pretty good options. I've been in the business for more than 30 years, and I've found you need the pull the curtain back to find out what's really going on. I certainly am not going to buy product for a blue light. I want to be clear, I'm not trashing Mac. They're a well made and performing luxury brand. I can get the same performance for more than half less. If you don't believe it I have 6 ft. RCA cord I can sell you for $500. They sound better.

[@chuckHinton]

Mac has the highest resale value of any brand. If you consider total cost of ownership, in the category of Amplifiers, a $5,000 Marantz, after you resell it to upgrade in the future for it’s %15 resale value of $750, ends up costing you $4,250. A $10,000 Mc, after you re-sell it for it’s average amplifier resale value of %60, $6,000, ends up costing you $4,000. At the end of the day, the Mc is not %100 more expensive than the Marantz, it is %5 less! So even if you grant the assertion that the Marantz is just as good (I don’t), for the same money, wouldn’t you rather have a McIntosh? For the worst category, Home theater processors, a $5,000 Marantz, after you resell it to upgrade in the future for it’s %15 resale value of $750, ends up costing you $4,250. A $10,000 Mc, after you re-sell it for it’s average HT PrePro resale value of %40, $4,000, ends up costing you $6,000. At the end of the day, the Mc is not %100 more expensive than the Marantz, it is %40 more.

[@brentcollins9727]

@@chuckHinton, agreed. It’s like I have a pile of gold sitting under my TV

[@Ozweego412]

It puts the lotion in the basket. It does what it's told.

[@BoudewijnvanHouten]

When is McIntosh gonna make a simple pure Class A single-ended amplifier?

[@chuckHinton]

McIntosh amp designs are very different from every other brand, this is why the world was amazed in 1949 when the 10w50 came out with noise and distortion so low that no other company was able to match it for decades to come. Low distortion is a hallmark of the brand, pure Class A amps tend to have 100 times as much distortion as a McIntosh amp. There are many fine brands of class A amps out there and we are happy for you if you feel those better suit your needs. No one design is perfect for everyone's needs and we just want you to be happy with your system, regardless of if you buy it from us or not.

[@BoudewijnvanHouten]

@@chuckHinton Hi Chuck, McIntosh makes great stuff. I currently have a mint C29 and MC2205. The 2205 will be recapped and restored. I love these products so it is on way intended to criticize your company. I was just wondering if McIntosh was ever planning to produce those 100 times much more distortion amps as currently a lot of companies do. I think there's a market for you there and distortion figures is just one dimension and not the final word how an amplifier performs sonically to our ears. Try to discuss this topic with let say Nelson Pass. Jeff Rowland or Dan d'Agostino and you will find other American designers that differ. That's only good I reckon but you can't say distortion eliminated by loads of NFB is the final word, don't you agree? I do find that my McIntoshes sound great, although to many they shouldn't and that's the real beauty of it!

[@chuckhinton3994]

@@BoudewijnvanHouten there are lots of different ways to design an amp, each has it's own pro's and con's, we design the stuff we want to take home and use, if others like it too, great, if not, no biggie. Since it sells faster than we can make it, I guess they like too, LOL

[@BoudewijnvanHouten]

@@chuckhinton3994 That's great! You do not need marketing nor advertising then? I know in the far past you didn't... I just finished repairing my MC2205 (#AX7758) and it was difficult because of the two Service manuals I had (038-980: starting with serial no. AX1001 & SMA 039239, AX7151 to AX9999) not one had the right Powerboardnumbers (045-144) or colored wiring completely right. With a combination of the two and lots of comparing with all the part-numbers and especially the numbers on the LEFT and RIGHT powerboards and the PSU-board which were only covered in a manual of a MC2125. The small inputboard (part. no 045-151) I could not find in any of them. Great thing is that after changing all the lytic caps, even the two grey/silver 39.000uF, 50V GE's with datecode 7751, meaning Year 77 and Week 51 production) the unit functions on spec and looks and sound wonderfull. This amp is probably 43 years old and it still shines!

[@cengeb]

McIntosh doesn't make speaker drivers, they buy em, OEM put any name on anything

[@jupiterek]

Mam MC2120 i nie chcę nic innego. Wzmacniacz do wszystkiego dziękuję firmir McIntosh.

[@jazzbuff1394]

Silver Spring, MD not Silver Springs.

[@intothevoid9831]

Glad to know you can spend $2000 in 1975 for a 200wpc amp with a faceplate more fragile then gold.

[@hifijohn]

A top of the line pioneer receiver easily cost $1K.

[@bwest6275]

hifijohn which is 8x cheaper than an equivalent McIntosh 😄

[@brianp5886]

@@bwest6275 And sounds like it is 8x cheaper.. I had a pioneer sx1980, 980, & 780 and heard a few others - they all sounded like crap compared to a Marantz, not even in the same class as a McIntosh - I sold everything Mid-Fi and bought a MC7108..

[@machtschnell7452]

@@bwest6275 No, about 1/2 price at best.

[@MrChikaKure]

Why don't you ever mention the people who are responsible for where the Mcintosh is today. Mile Nestorovic, the Serbian audio wizard, who designed the MC-3500 Amp. and many more, used on Greatfull dead and Woodstock, he launched the Mcintosh into space with his knowledge, right?

[@bertraminc9412]

Very nice but you’ve started to outsource to China. By definition, this is when a company transitions from quality to greed.

[@przemekkrason5980]

👏👏😍

[@cengeb]

So pricey, and no UL listed, WHY?

[@edberger4679]

Marantz is half the price & just as good !

[@kirkrussell8187]

Ed Berger Another fool who can't afford the quality of McIntosh....

[@edberger4679]

Keep dreaming !

[@kirkrussell8187]

I had Marantz, when I was 12, it's all my mommy could afford. Just like you....

[@kingofpunk1977]

Sorry mate but you are wrong on this one.

[@90210bribri]

There's no way marantz is just as good as Mac , Ed do your homework....

[@82ivaylo]

For that price i will choose Luxman or Accuphase over McIntosh!

[@kingofpunk1977]

Well go & choose it then.

[@barechaser]

+mystique ...Enjoy your junk then.....

[@phrtao]

+kingofpunk1977 agreed !

[@maddoxinc1642]

So what makes it junk? These are a ton of boutique companies who make higher quality products at same or lower cost. Are those junk too because they aren't McIntosh? Personally, I think PASS labs and Mark Levinson make better hardware and sometimes, for cheaper. Are those junk too? It's easy to spot the hardware whores who spend more time polishing their tubes than they do listening to music. You're like the Leica jackasses, the same ones who prominently display their $6k camera while taking $2 pictures. People like you ruin the hobby, you're the death of music if there ever is one.

[@TheSteppenwolf666]

Luxman has really flabby bloated bass. Demoed it recently against Mac stuff which has more punch. Nicer more tubey mids and treble on Luxman though. I’d say over all they’re about the same quality but Luxman stuff looks like you have a cheap 70.s amp in your room

[@codyjones1098]

come on 350 i would PAY twice that!! Not really, over priced over engineered

[@cengeb]

5200W of AVA rebuild hafler P500 in mono 4 of em driving Legacy Audio Whispers. AVA hybrid pre amp and ultra hybrid phase inverters 2 of em to turn amps into mono. Never had a failure in over 20 years of using different products from Audio by vanAlstine.VanAlstine has been in business for over 40+ years! Made in U.S.a. MN. Hand made one at a time, sonic bliss for less, and superior quality

[@machtschnell7452]

Hafler is overpriced junk.

[@cengeb]

@@machtschnell7452 Hafler doesn't exist anymore, the current stuff is just branding, when it was Dave hafler, the stuff was fantastic, and a bargain. the stuff now is just a name bought by Radial in Canada, I agree, grossly over priced now, and it's NOT Hafler concepts of hi performance and good prices

[@cengeb]

@@machtschnell7452 The P500 i have are rebuild with Exicon MOSFETS 12 of em output and new driver boards, Audio by VanAlstine in MN...he also has lots of new stuff Mono AMP 850W around $3K..my P500 are more powerful in mono which I run 4 of them they are much larger AC mains Transformer, 1200-1400W RMS incredible sonic and capability, they are super reliable, never in what must be 20+ years or more had an AVA component fail, from DAC hybrid pre amps, hybrid phase inverters. What would a comparble Mc system with around 5200W RMS capacity using 4 mono amps run in price, lot more..and I can guarantee, not sounding any better..might even be less sonic..AVA ckt designs are spectacular 800V/ uS slew rates, etc etc, super stable on any loudspeakers..my 4 Ohm Legacy Whispers can take a lot of power even though they are very efficient, 8 15" WOOFERS love lots of current

[@nailtonrosamorais2577]

km on

[@deepheart100]

I'll just stick with my Marantz amps and my Klipsch speakers.

[@phrtao]

+deepheart100 Why ?

[@TMac473]

+phr tao lol

[@machtschnell7452]

Early made in USA Marantz was really good for its day. Klipsch have been obsolete since they were designed.

[@APRIL2862]

Head to head with many other brands, Mac proves to be to expensive for what you get.

[@APRIL2862]

This is true, BUT it's also true about cars if you buy certain brands with the most wanted color, you get a higher resale price. When you choose audio gear if that's all your interested in, go for it, but for me I've always lived by in-between-choices, and it's the SOUND THAT COUNTS! For instance if your fortunate to find one, compare the Mattes SSP200 amp sound to any Mcintosh.

[@hwirtwirt4500]

McIntosh is expensive, but you get what you pay for. No gimmicks or bogus claims, it's build to last and hold it value like no other amplifier. If it does need service after many decades of use, parts and service are available to restore the product to it's original performance. Any McIntosh amplifier ever built that's maintained in good condition will be desirable and hold it's value.

[@machtschnell7452]

Come back a couple of decades later and tell us how that "great sounding" junk is compared to the McIntosh.

[@alexanderbelov6892]

@@machtschnell7452 Do McIntosh use eternal electrolitic capacitors, never degrading transistors (all transistors degrade in amplification factor - like aging), eternal solder?

[@tompipps3383]

TOM PIPPPS FOAM - BATON ROUGE LOUISIANA USA . HI HELLLO &

[@hvcool]

Damn im broke

[@darkopasalic4135]

I WAS NEVER IMPRESED WITH MCINTOSH SOUND SOME SANSUI AMPS SOUND MUCH BETTER LIKE AU 11OOO AND AU 20000

[@chuckHinton]

There are many ways to design an audio system and no one is prefect for everyone. We make gear we like and want to use ourselves at home. Sansui stuff is very cool, although the AU20000 does have 10x the distortion (.05 vs .005) and a noise floor 5x higher (65dB vs 124dB) than McIntosh amps. Still, we would never berate you for what is a very personal choice in what gear best suits your needs.

[@helthuismartin]

Its also very cheap

[@שחרגולפייגן]

Expensive ????? No good no bay !

[@EdBenji]

People buy McIntosh because they have big blue meters stuck on them!

[@cengeb]

the mass stuff has improved so much, that the quality gap between this very over priced , nice stuff, means nothing, but better chassis, electronics is so cheap now, with fine specs....otherwise hi fi would still be so expensive, it wouldn't have become a mass market product...back in the 50's things where just taking off, and it's all progressed, making it a mass market product....this stuff has become jewelry...My 5200W of 4 mono amps, would easily hold it's own, or surpass, these extremely pricey stuff. meters and blue lights mean nothing, blank flat panels and a power switch, all ya need...the meters on these are useless, but it's applied jewelry

[@paulusrossini3574]

Stay black, PLEASE do not listen to Hi Fi fashionista's Who cares about if its brushed or painted. Mac is a great product and has kept the high standards when others did not. I have owned an MR 78 tuner for decades and it still is beautiful to look at and sounds even better. I am still looking for a good deal on a used big solid state Mac amp, ( I don't buy the tube BS). My old Crown DC 300 is even older than my Mac tuner but is not my idea of a "Die With" amp for me. Still looking.

[@machtschnell7452]

Good deal coupled with big solid state McIntosh amplifier is relative over the years of ownership.

[@Oneness100]

Don't bother with cengeb, he uses SoundKing cables with his mail order amps. He's a self proclaimed expert in EVERYTHING. He'll just waste your time.

[@cengeb]

And still goin gstrong after all thee years, Legacy WHISPERS driven by 4 P500 AVA amps 1200-1400W RMs EACH, several DSD sources, and SACD, AVA hybrid pre amps, and 4 or so Audio Research hybrid pre amps....sonic bliss, not just over priced glitter

[@canneddinners6059]

Nice but made in Germany is better than made in the USA

[@benishan3]

By 2030, Made in India will be better than Made in Germany

[@canneddinners6059]

Live no it won't and people will always prefer Germany

[@n10cities]

Cars, maybe....

[@machtschnell7452]

Amplifiers, no. Made in Switzerland >>> Made in Germany Studer >>> ReVox etc.

[@canneddinners6059]

@@machtschnell7452 swiss made is always best and Revox will never be forgotten

[@JMNTN]

if they weren't so ugly looking i would buy it

[@machtschnell7452]

Please do not buy it, then.

[@JimBob_Joe77]

This is equipment for people with too much money. Its not nor will it ever be made for the average person.

[@chuckHinton]

Hi Matt, I bought my first piece of McIntosh when I was 23 years old, working for minimum wage in a factory, I scrimped and saved and traded and bargained and found a deal on used gear. Many average people manage to spend a few thousand on a small boat, snowmobile, vacation or a car that is fancier than they need. A dedicated audio nut can and will find a way. The vast majority of McIntosh customers are regular folks whose one real passion is Audio.

[@mozartfx1]

Not true. A person can never have "too much money". ~

[@ParanormalPat]

Matt N. In order for the average Joe to own any piece of McIntosh equipment, you pretty much have to want it more than anything in the world and chances are you'll either sacrifice most of your savings like I did or put yourself into debt to own McIntosh equipment. Go for it.

[@kingofpunk1977]

What's your point? Don't make it all or sell it at a price where the company will make a loss?

[@cengeb]

The Grateful Dead is not a good reference, they are horrible, twing twangy off key garbage.

[@TMac473]

The wall of sound was 28,800 watts and projected sound over a half mile. Regardless of musical tastes that is a strong example of mcintosh gear with jbl and ev setting a high standard for live performances.

[@honestaquarian1]

It’s Silver SPRING Maryland. Not Silver Springs