BEHRINGER K-2 Tutorial & Review, with 18 patch ideas (that also apply to KORG's MS-20)

[@robotussin_synths]

Really love loopop's rational, complete synth reviews. He has such a soothing voice. And that jam at the start and the end, I could listen to that for hours... You have a channel to hear what you make, mr loopop?

[@loopop]

Thanks! Currently I offer music from my videos for download on Patreon, but a first album will be coming out soon

[@mikemeengs5720]

Agreed...best reviews on KZbin.

[@crapopotateptl]

@@loopop what?! You do NOT sound like you've never released any music... such unused synthesis mega-talent!!! I hope to hear from you: ambient, refined psytrance, synthwave, and melodic techno :)

[@loopop]

@@crapopotateptl thanks - two albums already out :)

[@davidgoode7416]

@@loopop Gotta check em out..

[@pedrofreire6169]

Does the note priority thingy works on Korg's MS20?

[@Laizerdisk]

Where's that Jupiter clone tho

[@fortheloveofnoise]

It's coming out after the UB-Xa but before the DS-80.

[@Goettel]

So happy Behringer has freed us from chasing vintage synths.

[@niknayme3754]

Yeah, now we just have to chase around the shops to find the Behringer ones :)

[@Goettel]

@@niknayme3754 just order 'em and spend time on your favorite DAW & plugins, waiting - I know I do :-)

[@fortheloveofnoise]

@@Goettel I don't like plugins or DAWs.

[@fortheloveofnoise]

I still chase the budget ones.....the few that still exist.

[@orangenotviolet]

Any beds how long they last?

[@ambedo_bass]

Damn, I came here while searching for ms20 mini patches - and of all places a berhinger clone review has one of the most comprehensive (and well explained) list of creative ms20 patch ideas I have found.. Well done haha.

[@Quark.Lepton]

Yeah-same. Arranging finances now for new K-2 to discuss with Boss in the morning. If I do the coffee ok, and she digs the pancakes, I’m half way home bruh! 😲😀👍😆

[@leadenmere]

Here I am again watching a loopop review for a synth I have no interest in. What sorcery is this?

[@ReginatorNet]

Great review but it should be noted @ 4:40 - this was Korg's own design from around 1978... back when engineers were engineers and musicians also needed to be engineers. :-)

[@javiceres]

☺️

[@Error6503]

Always loved the MS-20 patchbay schematic. With all the hidden routing of the Behringer Neutron ("where's that PWM coming from ?") I wish it too had one.

[@mtyas]

You really do the most useful and inspiring tutorials around ! Best KZbin Synth channel since these last years in my humble opinion. Bravo !

[@andybside]

So my best bet is to buy an MS20 inspired eurorack filter diy kit for $85? Haha.

[@BdawgSelf]

This and Marc Doty's videos on the original ms20 are essential for anyone who owns or is interested this synth. Great video!

[@ericobrocki5850]

That ESP Osc surprised me, I have the MS20 mini and it never occurred to me to try that. As well as the bitcrushing effect that was awesome dude! There's another method of getting a tunable osc by plugging the Env1 Rev out into the Env1 trig in, then plugging the Env1 out into your parameter. The delay attack and release control tuning, but your method is much more stable. Keep up the great work!

[@itallama]

Just bought one. Octaves completely out of tune. Semi tone out between C1 and C3. Complete waste of money. AVOID.

[@markslandingsandaviationvi3123]

So guys… what is the best option MS20mini or Behringer K-2? Why?

[@kryptonitejesus]

Love the jam in the beginning and end, reminds me a lot of Alessandro Cortini. Think this will be the first remake I finally buy from Behringer!

[@javiceres]

And... what happened?

[@marvomd]

Trust me, i was waiting for your K2 review. Great as always!

[@loopop]

Thanks!

[@jamesprisciandaro3144]

Yikes, things must've changed over the past 2 years because the ms20 mini (630$) is now 2x the price of the k2 (330$)! (3/22)

[@bogelmanDDD]

Беринжеры, они что - всё из Мууга копируют? Что так прилипли к нему?

[@schance1666]

I've had an first-version MS-20 (with the Korg 35 filter) for over 20 years and can't believe how much I learned from your vid - it's the best MS20 instructional vid I've ever seen. Thank you! Bummer they didn't add a few extra things that I actually did as mods to mine (hard sync of VCO 1 and 2 and also CV PWM input), which add a huge amount of sounds to it. Great vid!!!!

[@MrCrion1c]

I own a Make Noise 0-ctrl and love it. Is it possible to use the K-2 with CV/Gate only?

[@juanocordoba]

i guess it would have been nice to add a PWM input

[@bartosz_xenon]

Juan Córdoba there were mods for the originals, we'll see if someone comes up with one for the K2

[@lincolnmicrophonellc]

@@bartosz_xenon If they recreated it then it should still be possible. Stay tuned.

[@TheParanoidAndroid79]

I'm pretty sure with what I'll be spending on Behringer, I will be financing Uli's kitchen remodel.

[@nikolai7199]

Additional tip: if you want to get "aggressive esp" trick with old filter type, use headphone out rather than signal out

[@LaPlant_Mastering]

Wow! I finally (sort of) understand my MS-20! Thank you sir and happy new year!

[@jhg1930]

Would love to see you do a vid on the ms-20 and see all the cool things you do with the momentary switch : )

[@MickBenjamins]

Lovely jam at the start and end!

[@loopop]

Thanks!!

[@berobujanovi4331]

What jam ?Strawberry?

[@adamgolding5790]

Yes... chanelling Nick Batt?

[@loopop]

More like Radiohead in this case but I love Nick’s work too...

[@stevehay964]

A "jam" has more than one musician. Just sayin'.

[@SynthoidSounds]

Nicely done, very detailed. I already have the Neutron and Crave, but have been taking a close look at the K-2, deciding if I really want to devote more $ to this collection. Your video may have further convinced me to go in that direction, but even if not, many thanks for posting this.

[@matthewdeakin9939]

I’ve been waiting for this one! Brilliant once again :)

[@javiceres]

And... did you get one?

[@duxmania984]

Nice video! How would you compare the bass of K2 to original Korg MS20 or reissue MS20 mini... does it have that fat bass sound typical for MS20? Thanks and best regards.

[@zeflyingcat9213]

Here's a comparaison I did of the three MS20's. Which one is your favorite ? kzbin.info/www/bejne/g4q6ap-Yirl8rrs

[@loopop]

Thanks! There are quite a few comparison videos out there. Bass here sounds pretty good to me...

[@musicandfilms9956]

As I write, the difference in price between this and the Korg MS-20 Mini is much bigger: at one large online dealer, the K-2 is £283, the MS-20 Mini is £529.

[@Jimbo386000]

Bro you just made my K-2 150% cooler!

[@LFC303606ACID]

Loved the outro.. I have the ms 20 mini, and this was very informative, thanks.

[@loopop]

Thanks!

[@seekersystems]

Missed this release. Great vid.

[@davidgoode7416]

Excellent video, thanks

[@lycosa2000]

Just an amazing job with these tutorial videos. I learned so much and at the same time, realized how much I still don’t know.

[@uhoh007]

Another excellent review, thank you. Why do so many feel the Akai MPC1000 with JJOS2XL is still unmatched as out of the box live sequencer for analog synthesis? Digitackt, Deluge, Blackbox etc, none seem to have the simplicity and power of the old/new MPC1000, which is now rising in price. A comprehensive review of the MPC1000 with latest JJOS, new pads, and 128gb storage would be.....fantastic and useful. Thank you.

[@Mime871]

Thank you very much, what do you say about the displays whit de spectrum visualizers? How it works? I never can see something like that, i’m very newbe. Greetings from México.

[@loopop]

Hi, I use MOscilloscope and MAnalyzer by a company called Melda - they’re free with some limitations in the MFreeFXBundle. Occasionally I’ll use scopes by VCV The displays aren’t real unfortunately, just a software overlay

[@crazyFrankyy]

Nice melody at the end ! Be cool if behringer realesed polyphonic version with some new features !

[@eyeball226]

The crazy envelope thing isn't as crazy as it sounds. Basically sustain is always 0v no matter where it's set. With a high sustain level the voltage starts negative and rises to 0v. As you noted, this makes it great for pitch envelopes which would normally require you to retune the oscillator.

[@dazthapunk7422]

i just bought this synth. and thank christ for this video

[@javiceres]

How’s it growing on you?

[@fuma7162]

Ahahah

[@MathHammer]

The Korg MS20M has the same switchable filter version feature. The switch for the filter version is located similarly. So in a way, the Behringer is sort of like a clone of the MS20M with a smaller footprint. I like the smaller size of the Behringer. The MS20M has an odd width; I love the sound of mine but it is tough to locate conveniently relative to other gear.

[@dnch]

yeah, i wanted the ms20m but they manufactured too low amount of them and the second hand prices are bonkers

[@InFamousProductions]

I had one of those Korg ms 20 controllers with the software that came out about 15 years ago, and it could sound pretty wild. Now I 😊just got one of the above versions, and know I understand what all the functions are. I almost wish I didn’t, because before, I would just do random patches that would sound insane hahah . Great overview, and knowing what the ESG section does is really great

[@lundsweden]

The old MS20 filter sounds a lot like the Roland System 100 (1975) filter. The System 100 has a diode ladder filter, perhaps this does too?

[@IK_1980]

How did you know i recently bought this sweet classic? Great video, thanks again.

[@davedaves9403]

Long time synthist, just got the K2 and never had a MS-20 - this video was the most perfect accelerator of my learning the K2. THANK YOU!

[@ben-s]

this small Eurorack box is sooo cute! You just forced me into getting/making one. p.s.: great review as always ❤︎

[@longfade]

SUPER helpful. I picked up the MS20 mini recently and think it's on its way to becoming one of my favorites but there are some things that I just didn't quite get and this has clarified all of that. As usual, great work. Many thanks.

[@SouthShoreSonics]

A most excellent video! I would like to add that both filters at self-resonance can be tracked to V/octave, and with external control from CV/OCD (Mutant Brain) low note /high note, you can play 2 notes of self-oscillation. The MS-20/K2 is quite the versatile beast. Another way I get paraphony is to route the USB on the MS-20Kit to a KentonUSB2MIDI into a CV OCD Low Note Priority for HZ/V output and then feed CV to the VCO2 CV input. No trigger is required as the keybed provided this. As the MS-20Kit is high note, VCO1 will be the highest note, but Kenton provided notes will control VCO2 for the low notes. Of course on one note which is both high note and low note, both VCOs will sound.

[@t.c.494]

That finger snap trick blew me away. I had to slow it down to fully appreciate it.

[@stevehay964]

It's those "screaming" filters that made me buy the MS20 nearly forty years ago 😀

[@christoffertornquist3373]

Im new to all this. What do i start with? Neutron, Model D, Pro 1, this? Too much options and I dont understand what does what lol

[@stefanleithner6922]

this is the most inspirational vixeo ever! i have a behringer k2 since cupple of months but never managed to make sick sounds. wow gona make some music right noe! 😁

[@koskey06]

Just sucks that behringer is now just as expensive as res every other synthesizer from big brands..... just saying that for around $400 give or take a $100.....you can buy the real thing in most cases....or buy something wayyyyy better!

[@dr.feelicks2051]

Most helpful to an old Roland junkie getting his head around this iconic mystery. It's nice that I finally get it(having gotten one)👍🎛👌. I managed to memorize the control surface layout rather quickly, I can navigate by feel which is great. Not for the easily frustrated though. 🤕

[@VictorSteiner]

It being eurorack but not 1V/Oct is driving me nuts.

[@ZodiacGallery]

Apparently it would have been impossible to clone the circuitry outside of hz/octave. I really wanted a PWM patch point also.

[@eternalvoid2678]

It's not eurorack compatible beyond being 3U at all. Trigger polarity and voltage ranges are different as well. The signal I/O is also line-level, and not modular level I assume. That leaves exactly nothing that follows the eurorack standard (besides being 3U).

[@schreineinAV]

Eternal Void The expert sleepers disting can convert to to the ms20 standard..... and harvestman/ industrial music has a module called the English year that's for the ms20-eurorack conversion.... problem solved!

[@schreineinAV]

VictorSteiner The arturia key step, expert sleepers disting and harvestman English tear take care of the necessary voltage/ cv conversions.....

[@Jamick_Elektronika]

You can't connect white noise with pink cable! :-D... ok, as usual, brilliant video.

[@romank.5261]

Without a package of effects upon sound it generates you won't create something new. It's sounds similar to wasp or TS404. Therefore you go to digital VST plugins anyway either pay a lot for analog effect on your rack.

[@lucagunther5405]

Looking forward to your review of DivKid/Instruo ochd module in the near future. I love Ben’s intuitive module design/ideation. He really approaches modules from a user’s perspective: straightforward, nice-to-have feature sets in an uncomplicated box.

[@loopop]

Indeed the design and module are fun! There won't be a dedicated review though, he did a really good job explaining it actually

[@gregsmith4033]

ideation. ffs.

[@tommyg5095]

Ideation= idea + implementation ... love it...

[@guiom77]

The moment with guitar shoked me ‼️never thought it was possible ‼️

[@bubuAudio]

40:40 OMG ! goose bump ❤ ( headphones on )

[@XnazxulX]

Ok so i have a question for anyone who owns a k-2 on here.. just received mine and the vco1 the pitch drifts badly the vco2 doesn’t do it.. is this just a defective vco1 on it?

[@illyareid66]

I’ll stick with presets and normal model D patch bays don’t sound like I need quickly

[@PatrickquintonOwens]

There a different type of synth a clone of a expensive korg beringher are still going maybe hard to get thevrights for perhaps they'd rent a license or whatever on it So this the meletron! A great piano sounding digital piano and a wurlitzer organ, old sixties home organ! That might be a good idea of the 4 or five instruments to sample!

[@ReFlexEdity]

What plugin/software are the 2 analyzers on the monitors? And is that real hardware or did you edit the monitors in the video?

[@mannygrossman]

Just got one today. FIlter I is noisy. Is this normal?

[@SuperTrump-d9f]

Acabo de recibir mi k2 y mi Arturia keystep y sólo me permite tocar de una sola nota no permite tocar de dos o más notas, el Arturia detecta todas las notas que tocó pero sólo permite la que este más arriba. Se tendrá que configurar el k2 en la pc?🤔

[@AndyChannelle]

I'm going to try your tips on iMS-20 and see how it goes. Will report back at the end of the video.

[@AndyChannelle]

Well, I managed to do almost everything, except in place of the switch you have on the right of the patch bay for holding the S&H value, I have another patch point which links to the momentary switch beneath the Mod Wheel. Thanks, that was cool. The iMS-20 iPad app is a pretty good emulation for £14.

[@fotoniknoise]

I found this video perfect also as a tutorial for Korg MS20 mini!

[@tioklu]

does someone know how to change note priority ?

[@steril]

On the MS20 you can use the ESP to convert v-trig to s-trig. Maybe this little trick works on the K2, too!?

[@loopop]

Triggers yes but not gates because it's AC coupled. I assume it's like that on the MS-20 but haven't tried...

[@KNHSynths]

If you like to hear what you can achieve with a K-2 (only sound, can be a good complement to loopop excellent review) : "3 min with K-2" : kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGfGkn99mcZlrqM "6 min with K-2" : kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4bdg3WYo7mfias "2'30 min with K-2" : kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXfTdWaKmrutaLc

[@SouthShoreSonics]

@loopop Noted discrepancies comparing my Korg MS-20Kit to my Behringer K-2. ON THE ESP SECTION Control situation: a) Feed a signal into SIGNAL IN on the MS-20Kit and note how the PEAK lights as expected. b) Note that the TRIG OUT light WILL not light unless the THRESHOLD LEVEL level is brought up. K-2 situation: a) Feed a signal into SIGNAL IN on the K-2 and note how the PEAK lights as expected. b) Note that the TRIG OUT lights regardless of the setting of the THRESHOLD LEVEL. Can somewhat check this simple situation on their K-2. I'd like to see if it just my K-2, or this is something common to all K-2s.

[@jeffbecker4882]

Are you planning on reviewing the K-2 MKII anytime soon? It'd be good to see a comparison demo between the changes, particularly FM.

[@loopop]

No such plans sorry

[@saltlake71]

Pls update with K-2 MK2 new features

[@johnpaullovetek1809]

Sempre a inovar! Eu nem sabia que dava para fazer de teclado uma guitarra! Genial! Sou um fã teu desde que subscrevi o teu canal! Eu estou a começar agora a tocar sintetizadores e para já só tenho um Novation Circuit mas aprendi bastante contigo! Obrigado!

[@CoenBijpost]

That little modular skiff is so adorable 🥰 I need one now!

[@EnricoDePaoli]

OUTSTANDING video! Congrats and thanks! Great soundtrack at the end, too :)

[@Gainn]

I really thought this was more expensive, so for £269 it was an easy purchase. Really great review, thank you.

[@kimdiez2681]

$199 now 😊

[@MD_is_me]

Until, 32:01- 33:23, I was thinking "meh".

[@Fabian_drop02]

The eg on this kinda reminds me of the eg on the ensoniq esq 1.

[@Producer4Realz]

Nice job. How do I get a copy of your book?

[@loopop]

Thanks for the kind words and interest - you'll find a link to my Patreon in the description.

[@Producer4Realz]

​@@loopop Hi I've registered on your patreon but how do I get this book? Need to pay gor upgrade

[@loopop]

@@Producer4Realz thanks very much! Did you register on the four dollar Waveshaper tier? if so, you don’t need to pay extra

[@alexandrosroussos]

Amazing review as usual. The K-2 is already in my list for future purchase. I really like this dirty sound, it's definitely one of those synths with character, and Behringer has built a quite good clone of it. I would have bought the Korg one if it existed in module.

[@jstarman01]

Alexandros Roussos... it does exist as a module. (MS-20m) www.korg.com/us/products/dj/ms_20mkit/ But it’s pretty expensive (4x’s this price) and getting harder to find. I always wanted one... until Uli released this fella.

[@telumatramenti7250]

This synth is definitely not my cup of cake, and yet listening to you play with it so self-forgettingly makes me want to grab one. The main reason why it's such a hard sell for me is inability to patch it to other Eurorack synths directly due to difference in voltages.

[@GoodLuckHolly]

Inability is a strong word ;)

[@telumatramenti7250]

@@GoodLuckHolly "directly" is an even stronger one

[@kevinloignon7943]

Use an E-Bow on the guitar!

[@amphitheatre]

14:15 keystep can send out hz/v and s-trig?? wow, didn't know 31:50 unknown fm possibility

[@andrewverran3498]

Had 2 KORG MS20s in the 90s , no idea which filters they both had, never gave them a good fiddle , too busy on the SH5. . TBH i had no idea they sounded this good. PeaceFromOZ

[@marcelocastilha]

Thanks for the excellent video and nice ideas! Is there a way (or hack) to activate the manual trigger with a footpedal? This could be great with the paraphonic-trigger patch :)

[@mpingo91]

0:07 What gives a pulse to the sound? The key on the MIDI controller is pressed all the time...

[@loopop]

and LFO or looping envelope

[@iqnill]

They could have copied the MS20M with V/Oct, normal trigs and PWM input (edit - AND FM!) It's a kit, so there would be no need to open the synth to "design" theirs.

[@SPAZZOID100]

They should have kept the PWM input that the Korg desktop version gave us.

[@visolnchev]

Someone please help me... How to tunning the k2? I can't find an answer 😭😭😭😭

[@oc10121989]

ms 20 mimmic by behringer, nice

[@antysynteza777]

as for connecting the guitar - does it have active pickups, does its signal go through some preamp invisible on the screen, or just a cable from the guitar to k-2 and it works?

[@dennisristow2102]

Is it possible to poly chain different models from Behringer? Say a K-2, a Model D and a Neutron? Could make some intentional 1st 2nd and 3rd note played chords with obviously differing timbre. I ask because it looks like Behringer now has a standard software to change all product overall setups, i.e. the Neutron has a pseudo parameter/hidden function editor while the settings software to set up poly chain and midi channel function is now product universal looking.

[@just_pierre9730]

I would like to know that too. Maybe @loopop knows this?

[@jimmy_jamesjams_a_lot4171]

Mike Tyson would’ve had Lou play his theme music as he entered the ring back in those days before the NES power glove. Or wait, was that you who played Mike’s theme music?! I swear whoever did it, it’s really them who deserves those title belts, in my opinion. The flipping whole place would just start going crazy because they didn’t know if it was an earthquake, or some really deep modulated synth drone, or maybe Don King was hungry and his stomach was letting the whole place know?! THATS IT, it was Don’s stomach. Bet. But it could’ve been Lou on a Korg or an ARP!

[@Quark.Lepton]

I’ve now got 3 old iPods loaded up with loopop’s vids on 3 of my synths- Modal’s Cobalt, Model D, and just got Neutron. On each iPod I have Loopop’s tips & tricks for that synth. Next, going for the K-2! 😃 Patch info, even sales receipts 😄 Works well!

[@n.l.541]

How to sync its LFOs to MIDI clock from a DAW?)

[@thevisibleman7087]

You can't!

[@dreadful_name2924]

Hey, very inspiring video. The only question I have is how this would work if my keyboard is usb only (Akai MPK mini). Am I right in thinking my DAW could use a midi out controlled by the usb keyboard which would trigger the synth? But I can’t see how those duophonic patching ideas could work with that.

[@JackalGB]

Got one of these from Sweetwater last week. It was not my first choice of Behringer synths, but at $199 and that I can plug my guitar into it, it became my first choice pretty quickly. 😁 Sounds great, but a bit clueless on how to use it, which is why I'm here. Thanks for the great video! 👍

[@squishmusic]

This has inspired me to get my 70's MS-20 fixed up! Screwdriver to the ready....

[@spacekid5609]

Do the LOW CUT FREQ and HIGH CUT FREQ knobs are looser than the rest and feels less smooth on the touch? I returned one for that reason and the replacement K-2 also has the same knobs.