Being Bodanza’s Form Coach Was NOT What I Expected….

[@BodanzaDiscGolf]

Was awesome to spend this week with you! Excited to continue working together through the off-season

[@DrewGibson]

Same here!

[@mindlander]

Don't forget disc golf is supposed to be fun. Such high aspirations could be detrimental to..well..everything. You as a player, your channel, the fans, and life in general.

[@BodanzaDiscGolf]

don't worry it's all fun, and people have different goals!@@mindlander

[@nickhaines601]

@@BodanzaDiscGolf Bodanza you are a beast you should shoot for the top and im glad you are working so hard for your goals it’s inspiring and hard work is fun for some people lol 😅

[@AlanS_DGC]

Anthony and Drew, that was a awesome collab. Anthony, dude, I’m 39 and have been playing for 20 ish years off and on. The last couple years I have tried to train and get better. You have inspired me greatly. Thank you. Drew, thank you as well.

[@baber6070]

I’ve been at Bodanza’s distance for about a year now, and this series has finally spoken to me in a way I understand. The “feels” you describe to Anthony are exactly what I have needed, and I have already achieved similar progress as Bodanza just from using these tips.

[@DrewGibson]

🫡

[@dehavendiscgolf]

Me as well, this whole series has been really eye opening.

[@Chris.Davies]

There are normally four stages of competence as you learn a new thing: Unconscious incompetent, Conscious incompetent, Conscious competent, and Unconscious competent. However, I think there are two more which need to be added in my view: Conscious Expert, and Unconscious Expert. Why? Because these two extra stages decide whether or not a person can (or can't!) be an effective teacher. It is certainly true that extremely physically talented players will progress directly from "Unconscious competent" to "Unconscious expert" without ever passing through the "Conscious expert" phase - and these people are incapable of teaching anyone anything, because they literally have no idea what it is they do to achieve their success. A great example of this is Paul McBeth, whose teaching style boils down to, "Watch what I do, and do it like me." Whereas, players who work hard to pass through the "Conscious expert" phase must develop a fundamental understanding of their own form, in order to progress it. And so it is ONLY these players who are able to become good teachers of the sport - especially at the top end of the game. Drew - I think you are a player who worked hard to make your way through the "Conscious expert" phase.

[@brooksy3069]

i can now officially say im a fan of drew, saw you ace at hornets nest in the final, so pure, now hearing the way you communicate, got a fan in me

[@DrewGibson]

Thanks!!

[@jaynorris3631]

It was all very in depth and extremely informative. I can totally see someone being obsession with distance getting in the way. I also agree with the Feel statement. When the timing is correct you feel it no matter how far you are trying to drive the disc. Thanks for letting everyone in on your training sessions.

[@charlestx68]

I couldn’t agree more with you Drew, my dad was a country club pro and when he taught me he would always say don’t worry about distance until your golf swing was correct. He was right and so are you. I loved hearing old men say “I can’t believe a little skinny kid like you can out drive me”. Thanks Drew and Bodanza, get series!

[@christiankaiser6723]

Gift him a big discount for Christmas and get together for a part two along the road. These series highlight the best in both of you! Really enjoyed the journey.

[@DrewGibson]

Not a bad idea, but the discount was plenty lol

[@justinbutler8418]

Uh, I’m sure Drew hooked it up already with this series, all things considered. Bodanza basically went to disc golf camp- flew in, lived with the guy, trained with him for 5 days, and even had some home cooked meals thrown in! All on like 3 days notice… I’m sure what ever Drew charged was plenty generous enough.

[@lllforgelll2421]

I love how honest you are about people's game. Constructive with encouragement in all the right places. Great and helpful content from both you. Nice work boys!

[@DrewGibson]

I appreciate that!

[@jeffcronch5234]

This is some raw honesty. I think this is what I like about you as a player/creator/person.

[@tonyprime7]

watched some of the videos and checked out overthrows review of it. i took the mental cue of keeping my feet parallel onto the course and had a big improvement to my consistency. the course is a very scoring course but i threw more park jobs in both of the rounds than i have on easier courses. something like 60% birdie rate. so i appreciated you guys getting together and sharing the time together for others to use as a platform for form discussion. you have more of an impact than you know.

[@discordye4825]

You've always been one of my favorites to watch. We always use you as an example of what to do...

[@nateworzalla6773]

Was cool seeing this Collab, it's ironic that this series started right as I was considering getting some coaching to help my disc game. Maybe its a sign haha. Keep up the good work man the good content.

[@stefandomagalski3722]

Just picked up an Era. Looking forward to throwing it today. Thanks Drew! Keep on being awesome!!!

[@DrewGibson]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@alexmccoy6981]

As somebody that teaches public school, I love your mindset behind coaching. Anthony made so much progress because he is a workhorse and you were the right balance of realistic and encouraging. Already a big fan of you both, now even more so.

[@DrewGibson]

🔥🫡

[@maxwellj7049]

Great coaching Drew! Loved watching this series.

[@DrewGibson]

Glad to hear it!

[@evanstanek5838]

This is Bodanza's "Hamburg Crucible". Same as the Beatles playing a pile of shows in Hamburg night after night to perfect their craft and setting up their launchpad before they rocketed onto the international scene.

[@AlohaVibes808]

Staying real and honest👊🏻 keep the content coming!

[@DrewGibson]

Gotta keep it that way.

[@Futurefxmillionaires]

Thank you both for sharing these videos! It has been a real eye opener for me being able to see the changes needed from both of your perspectives! I have been stuck throwing about 380 and I am going to start implementing these changes into my own form. I just recorded myself today and was comparing forms and i believe it is my footwork/ lower body that is holding me back! Thanks again to both of you for all that you guys do! I wish you guys the best in everything yall do! Much love my brothers from other mothers!❤❤❤

[@DrewGibson]

🫡🥹

[@marvinberesford8146]

Loved this entire series. A teacher’s awesome work only shows up in an excellent student.

[@DrewGibson]

He’s a good one for sure 🫡

[@benharrison5816]

Enjoyed the series. I got into the form journey myself over the summer recording myself a lot and making changes. It definitely takes a lot of practice to make lasting changes. Took me years to build a good ball golf swing, no different with disc golf.

[@gfuqua70]

you did an amazing job Drew!!!! you 2 are a great duo

[@micahcavender6073]

The process of that series and the time you two spent together was excellent. You two had almost conflicting personalities, though, which was also fun. I hope there is a 6 month or 1-year check-in video that is a follow-up. I would love more content like this. Thank you both again!

[@DrewGibson]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@chetgreene6165]

Really enjoyed following along for this series. Awesome stuff.

[@DrewGibson]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@DylanK443]

Your attitude towards coaching is what everyone needs for sure!

[@kmd4742]

Hope to see more colabs and maybe a second "boot camp" in the future. Great chemistry between you two, like you've been long time friends.

[@davereloader8837]

Really learned a lot from that series. Thanks!

[@DrewGibson]

Glad to hear it!

[@gyronation9303]

Dude this was the best series I've seen regarding form. I was waiting anxiously for each episode to be released. Great stuff Drew! So you've talked about firing the hips to point the belt buckle towards the target, feel like you're throwing with your chest and the hand holds onto the disc. So do you activate your arm at all during the swing forward? Asking for a fan

[@ViJt-oq5nq]

Loved it. There is a lot of good info to take away. Trying to learn on your own is difficult with how much conflicting information exists. Someone who knows what it 'feels' like, can def help narrow down things.

[@DrewGibson]

Glad it was helpful!

[@shawnhillman8630]

Great video, cuts were great, content was engaging, footage to support was awesome, loved it man.

[@DrewGibson]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@dehavendiscgolf]

I’ve been in the same boat as Anthony. Playing three years, throw 420-430 consistently, 450 on a mash and my absolute max has been 471/72/74. I’ve been changing up my form doing a couple small things one thing at a time. It’s slowly working but I really enjoyed you talking about the “feel” of it. You see a lot of these bigger form guys and they talk about the mechanics of it, and I totally respect the ability to be a coach. But sometimes the “feel” of it is a huge deal as well. Like sure there’s a lot of mechanics involved but at a certain point you seem to have to have faith that your body will figure it out as well.

[@CRiles694]

You're an awesome coach, Drew. You building him up like that is exactly what he needed! Now come to Illinois and build me up in the cold. ❄❄❄

[@MrBoracus]

This is such a good video; your outlook and review of the sessions is what a ton of people need to hear. Expectations need to be realistic, and you need to be okay with where you're at and understand that it doesn't come overnight but will come with the right work ethic and mindset. Thanks!

[@gbiscuits]

You are one of the pros I started watching consistently. No non-sense, no beating around the bush, just realness.

[@DrewGibson]

Thank you i appreciate that!!

[@customind1]

I like hearing you talk critically about form, feels like a quality mindset

[@DrewGibson]

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[@suitableace1028]

well spoken, Drew

[@collsitton6905]

This has been so cool to watch everybody learning together

[@RockCh4lk]

I can throw 350' at about 50%. When I turn it up to 100%, it still goes 350'.

[@DrewGibson]

Haha! Oh no.

[@garrettcolwell6016]

One of the best videos I've seen on the realities of disc golf form and results from working on it.

[@DrewGibson]

🫡

[@kenbergee]

I'm liking, Drew as a content creator even more than I like him as competitor. Thanks, Drew; please make more.

[@DrewGibson]

Thank you 🫡

[@brooksy3069]

you and bodanza seem to have similar energy and like thought processes, even sound similar communicating, cool yall met

[@DrewGibson]

🫡

[@grislyregent5227]

thankyou for the videos. i wish i could spend five days turbocharging my game, but since i have not yet ran into the opportunity to do so. I will gratefully glean what specks of gold i can from yours and bodanza's videos and keep puting in the work to improve. keep up the great content my dudes!

[@DrewGibson]

No worries! Have fun!

[@discgolfer08]

At the very least you both are super entertaining, but to see your passion, drive, and love for disc golf is super encouraging. Drew, you're a great coach and a really good communicator, keep it up! Anthony, man you never quit! Just imagine if your were tall and lanky like Gannon, you'd be pushing for 600, lol. Keep up the great work man!

[@DrewGibson]

Thanks 👍

[@asellers98]

Love you guys!

[@NJT1013]

This video series was awesome and its cool to get your perspective after the fact. What would you say overall his biggest improvement was and what woyld you tell anyone at 400' to work on over everything else.

[@juke3143]

I will actually never understand the Drew Gibson hate. Actually love how real this guy is I really think a ton of people need to hear what this guy is saying lol

[@joeblow2426]

I’m don’t think you directly answered the questions infered by your video title: What did you expect from coaching and what did you actually get? But, I think we got the gist of it from what you said. It’s good you understand Anthony and you clearly like him. His videos, while generally good, make me crazy becauase he talks fast and doesn’t stop talking, saying things that are not needed. It’s like there is no filter, he’s just thinking aloud. The same is pretty much true when he was being coached. Not to say he shouldn’t ask questions, but he would do better by listening more and focusing on what you had to say. You were so good to listen to him and try to respond to his concerns and then bring the conversation back to what you were trying to teach. Your maintaining focus is why you were able to help him improve. In looking at the other comments, many others think you helped them, too. And that is a big positive. Well done, Drew.

[@mikebordner3820]

Agreed, he seems like a good guy, but very manic

[@joebrannon8843]

DG always keeping it real💪

[@mikebordner3820]

With filming my form it almost always breaks down when i go out to play a round as opposed to when I’m throwing into my net. Still need to take a deeper look into why 🤔. It would be nice to be able to translate my good net form to the field more as Anthony was looking to do.

[@lexas1234]

Fun to see the 'other side' og the 500ft series :) You both did so well!

[@DrewGibson]

Thanks for tuning in!

[@danielbarrett6026]

Nice job Drew!

[@DrewGibson]

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[@Cristopher1976]

Its a solid series. Now that my tournament season has ended i intend to try to improve my form. If the distance comes that's great but its not my main goal. Im 47 and will be able to retire at 53. I want to be able to play more tournaments at that point and not be worn down and ready for a nap after my rounds are over. Haha

[@sarinhighwind]

One of the hardest things to coach is for someone to essentially eat shit for a bit to ramp it up later. They wanna push to hard to quick. Just gotta slow down and get the control and slowly build the timing. It takes time to build that power and control it. Cant jump steps. Gotta get it solid.

[@alregul9043]

Hi Drew, hope to see you next year fighting for a tournament win or two. Man, I would love to have you as a coach face to face.

[@jansingber376]

Loved the series....

[@DrewGibson]

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[@ThisIsVao]

It was a great series for sure. Enjoyed watching it. Very in-depth detailed key points. Meeting, observing and playing with a great athlete is definitely a big way to be influenced and expedite growth. You guys are awesome! I ordered your Lore bag for Christmas. 🔥 Just what I’ve been looking for. +50 feet automatic equipping this to me.

[@DrewGibson]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@murphybrown7445]

That expression with the LVC trophy 😆

[@aleckgabriel9944]

damn he do be spittin facts tho, LOVED the vid!

[@OkieTradez]

i have issues throwing in tailwind it seems to get slapped down.. do you think its bcuz im throwing nose up and if so any quick tips to fix it?

[@DrewGibson]

I honestly would not be much help.

[@Needled88]

I would recommend to throw more understable discs in to the tailwind, you can then throw more towards to up, and not getting early fade, because the disc still wants to turn over. In the tailwind a faster disc is harder to handle when comparing to putter or middlerange. Slower disc doesnt want to fall to the ground same way as the faster disc.

[@OkieTradez]

i know Bodanza has this issue did you tell him the same thing and if so why is that , is it bcuz you have the same problem?? @@DrewGibson

[@aaronfriedman103]

Nice work! And now, if you're up for a bigger teaching challenge, I'm older and need a lot more help! 😅

[@DrewGibson]

Ha! No more teaching for me for a while lol

[@bradsteed6833]

I’d love the opportunity to go through a training session like that. If it’s ever an option I’d like to know.

[@DrewGibson]

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[@richdagsher2931]

Random question, that Nike sweatshirt is dope as F. Does anyone know what kind of jacket this is? Thanks

[@Carback27]

3:45 BURN! OHHHH DAMN! 430 KZbin FEET, AMIRIGHT??

[@BodanzaDiscGolf]

lol I edited this 😂 400-430 consistent golf lines was generous but I def could throw it before, just had to count on a bit of luck with my timing hahah

[@Carback27]

@@BodanzaDiscGolf Well that makes more sense, and makes Drew look like less of a dick head. Sorry, Drew, I love you!

[@pbgamble]

#tHatsGenerous 😂 tony definitely needs medication, thx drew for leveling him out for a min 🙏

[@DrewGibson]

😂😂😂

[@dudebro9775]

How much of an effect do you think altitude of CO or dry air of AZ has on distance? Think there’s a chance he would’ve hit 500 if you guys did this boot camp in Missouri or somewhere more humid?

[@DrewGibson]

Honestly I’ve never known elevation to help distance.

[@duanefleer833]

@@DrewGibsonI tend to agree, altho I’m about as far from pro level as one can be. I have a son in Denver metro, I live in Houston… I really enjoy getting up there to visit and throw (love the high altitude courses), and discs do fly differently at my arm speed, but not really for distance more just shot shape. He’s a much better disc golfer than me, but when he comes down to the humid flatlands he remarks on the changes in shot shape as well - but just in pure distance he mostly doesn’t see much difference. Just needs to adjust stability choice a bit for a given shot shape. As for the form series, I mostly watch content from both of your channels (Bodanza’s and yours) as they’re some of the most engaging content out there. You guys both put out rockin’ content, keep up the great output!

[@theaquariantv]

Really enjoyed it!

[@DrewGibson]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@legenden101]

Very intresting series to watch :)

[@DrewGibson]

Glad you think so!

[@alanxiong1489]

It true what u say u have to have a fell a throw. That result in your angle and form. I can get sometime in the zone but take alot of practice. Suck cause you can never be in the zone for so long.

[@cesarescalante11]

When can I get a 150g Interval?

[@pk28pk28]

Very good

[@stevenjones253]

Still watching the video, but getting someone from 430 @ 90% to then be 430 @ 60% also increases that player's longevity in the sport.

[@DrewGibson]

🫡🫡

[@j.johnson8360]

500 Means nothing if you can’t control it.

[@budsteinmetz1239]

Wow great video

[@DrewGibson]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@garnerthecube]

I guess I'm doing something wrong with my drivers, cause I average around 440 but can pretty easily throw putters around 340.

[@earlthomas6295]

Not going to lie...for whatever reason my brain first thought it said Broderic in the title and not Bodanza. 🤝

[@clawshooter5867]

Here's what Drew doesn't understand Anthony comes from a different/covid disc golf generation. Where everyone worked on form critiques through social media form groups. Drew developed his form through competition.

[@stevenosmond2168]

I watched most of the videos and the point of your whole though process was don't worry I'll make what you have better and 500 feet will come by itself if you work on this in the manner I want you to go.

[@DrewGibson]

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[@Slinkysees]

feels

[@JohnSmith-ef2sx]

He wants to throw 500 foot golf lines . I mean that's kinda rare isn't it ? I mean I know guys get that 500 with huge anhyzer flex shots. But straight bullets 500 plus for someone his size ? I dunno man. I think hes a talented young man that's probably gonna go on to do great things, but I think he's getting down on himself for an added 50 feet. He seems to think he absolutely needs that succeed. He's at a massive disadvantage because of his size and he wants to bomb like the 6 foot plus guys. Yeah that's gonna take more than a week with you. I'm not even sure how possible it all is to be honest.

[@garykennedy5322]

Not knowing all the financial details, I’d say the foundation you gave him to build on could be priceless. I mean you get what you pay for right. I’d say he made a great investment 🤘🏻

[@DrewGibson]

I totally agree! 🫡

[@raidonbay]

❤🤗

[@TheTiredWanderer]

I think asides from fine tuning his form, as a coach should, Bodanza should have spent a little more time doing those practice rounds with you at the pro level events. you're right that him putting the camera down was the best move he could do for himself, despite his whole youtube channel, because all of this form practice and relying on film is only going to set the habit that he cannot fix anything in the middle of a pro tour event without film, which is totally unrealistic.

[@marcusdresback]

felt the same way. Dude looked smooth on that last day. No way would I ever be able to tell he'd been playing 2 years.

[@HimuraSword]

Hot take: I think you should be able to throw 500+ ft if you want to coach someone else to do it. I've encountered and gotten "coaching" from several more experienced players who actually didn't have a clue what they were talking about. Each of them throw under 400ft. I now can hit 500+. There are a bunch of things that they were telling me that were just dead wrong. Too often people rely on "theoretical knowledge" instead of proven or experienced knowledge.Someone might think they know what perfect form looks like, but chances are if you're maxing a 350, you really don't.

[@DrewGibson]

Yeah not my place to talk about in reality. I just let most people think they know 😂

[@travnasty5269]

I think he is waaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy to hard on himself and expects waaaaaaay to much of himself. I'm not saying it's bad to set goals and infact it's extremely inspiring and just overall amazing but I do think he expects to much. He's been playing for what maaaayyyyybe 2 years? I don't even think it's been that long and is already telling himself he plans to make the tour and win a mpo event?!!! While that's an amazing goal and is great that he has it people like him who expect to much of themselves scare me because I'm that SAME EXACT WAY and it's soooooo easy to get discouraged and beat yourself up and then get burned out. He's amazing for only playing for such a short period of time. It has taken me well over 10 years to even scratch the 500 foot mark so to see him getting close is amazing but I do worry he sets himself up for failure sadly. Although I can absolutely relate because I'm the same exact way and if anyone ever tells me that I almost get offended so I shouldn't really be saying anything 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@BodanzaDiscGolf]

lol I relate to this comment because it's exactly how I'd react to someone who was like me. But I think you'll get that to me, the big goal isn't intimidated but exciting. I understand it could (and maybe should) be a years long process, but trying to expedite it is always fun, and will likely get me closer! (also to the MPO win point, peep a future vid, or just check my PDGA I guess ;) ) I understand my relationship to goals are different than many, and less of expectations than opportunities! Hope you feel a kindred spirit in that :)

[@travnasty5269]

@@BodanzaDiscGolf yeah I definitely understand all this lol. I can whole heartedly relate to everything you just said. You're definitely crushing it man and I'm very excited to see what comes of it! It's always exciting to see someone get so invested in something whatever it may be. Also I know the feeling of being truly intrigued by something and falling head first into. When u find something I love doing I'd say I go waaaaaaaaaay to overboard to the point where normally my girlfriend has to bring me back down to earth and make me calm down lol. But yeah man you're truly a joy to watch and I'm sure you're going to make something of this regardless of where the road takes you!

[@hebermyers541]

#GoodGuyDrew

[@prestoncomer1446]

Is this a diss video?!?!? Lol

[@DrewGibson]

No lmao surely not.

[@nickhaines601]

What the hell did you watch it he praised him the whole time

[@Polotexas88]

Lolz the pro tour don’t do him like that. I get you are trying to get his audience but come on man.

[@DrewGibson]

Huh?

[@samhowl1152]

To be fair that video with Brody was one of the least helpful form videos

[@DrewGibson]

Well I was trying to help Brodie with that video not help KZbin. Brodie was much less advanced at the time of that video so was harder to help him while also helping others.

[@brickchains1]

i think the coaching was fundamentally flawed, i wouldve started with moving through the correct positions slowly rather than have him just mash until he got it right (and never did)

[@InjuryPreventionGuy]

"Tell me you didn't watch the series without telling me you didn't watch the series"

[@brickchains1]

@@InjuryPreventionGuy I guess I should sau I would've stopped him from over doing it lol

[@nickhaines601]

Oh weird where’s your video of you throwing 550

[@brickchains1]

@nickhaines601 I did throw 550 once but it was a huge anhyzer turned over and flew down a hill

[@battlethebollocksrodgers9173]

KC wide open 2023 cashing out Bondanza #210763 Radical journey!