Patch 11.1's Changes Are HUGE! Delves, Depletion, Classes & MORE

[@BellularGaming]

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[@Desciple860]

Merry Christmas to you and the whole team 🎉

[@sevenfacedsin]

I recently came back to WoW after a 12 year long hiatus. Hit 80 and making my way through TWW quests. I am really enjoying it after over a decade of seeing nothing that caught my attention. I won’t be returning to raiding, that was one of the biggest things that drove me away. I raided vanilla, TBC, WOTLK and Cata, stopped playing when MOP was released. Delves are made for me. I am enjoying them a lot. Looking forward to the entirety of Worldsoul Saga.

[@Crowald]

Nice to see some positivity for once. Whole comments section seems to be people complaining or whining.

[@Kixxar]

Same and 100% agree, thank you

[@kawlin1975]

Normals are fun just with pugs too. I would check those out atleast just to see what it's like. It's at most a 1 hour commitment in later weeks for the whole one, you can just dip whenever you feel like and you can get some loot and vault.

[@teyojin14]

Turn back. It's gonna get worse

[@sevenfacedsin]

@@teyojin14 How so? My plans don’t include raids or PvP. I am mainly doing questing, delves, dungeons and professions. Taking a much more laid back, casual approach. I’ve also started a new toon on Cata Classic, so when I get bored with Retail, I’ll play that.

[@firststreet66]

Story Mode might be the single best thing they have added for more casual lore loving players. I love that I can see the raid and not have to come to youtube to watch cutscenes or talk to an NPC to have them retold to me.

[@TaliesinMyrddin]

I just wish we could see the whole raid, or at least the final bosses of each wing.

[@Cultist-Cat]

@@TaliesinMyrddinI mean there’s LFR for that. It’s basically a free tour of the raid that gives some vetran gear

[@TaliesinMyrddin]

@@Cultist-Cat I'd rather a full raid story mode that doesn't give gear but does give me the ability to take my time, explore, and queue for it without waiting 40 minutes per wing and having to deal with failed kills clogging up the experience. LFR isn't good enough for a story mode, it's an actual raid experience.

[@zulutonic]

How do you do the story mode raid? Only done regular or heroic

[@TaliesinMyrddin]

@@zulutonic If you go to just outside the building where Brinthe and Dagran are at the archive in Dornogol, there should be a little baby nerubian slightly to the side who starts a questline that culminates in the story mode run

[@Ducttapefiend101]

"We have gotten rid of key depletion.... for people who likely didn't have this problem, and only after they've already more or less beaten the season."

[@cristiancortez8349]

Yeah for real this is Brian damaged 100% no clue why they made it 2850 lol

[@frostmagemarii]

I blame Ion. This seems like his kind of petty pushback against a directive to not design the game for his tryhard buddies.

[@SebastianTurk-hm7pu]

Blizzard sucked all the fun out of m+ and THIS is their solution?`Just ludicrous

[@117Haseo]

The Delves changes are what I'm looking at the most as a solo player with limited time, I'm concerned due to M+ issues and M+ players being pissed at what they perceive 'Delves did to the Mythic' player base that they are going curb the power progression for Delves further to appease M+ and Raid players.

[@Yvario]

This is my concern going forward as well. M+ players very strictly view Delves as a side feature of lesser quality that they must participate in to get the easy gear. When it’s not for them whatsoever.

[@Yvario]

And as such, they also, sadly, view Delve players as lesser quality too, which just further feeds their ego and toxicity. 😂

[@shadydealz]

Very glad and kinda had a feeling T9+ delves were going to be repurposed for progressing forward in some way. If they ruined delves, was just going to go back to nonstop PvP. I do like to raid but my work doesn't allow me a fluid schedule. And tbh I just don't care for any games endgame to require me to gather 9-24 other people for just PvE, and then just rinsing and repeating that. Just give me raid boss difficulty that I can solo.

[@Yvario]

You are supposed to progress through delves though, that is the whole point. I would also appreciate some new delve that is just bosses, like a solo mini raid.

[@shadydealz]

@@Yvario Are you talking to me? Lol no offense but I didn't ask you what the point of delves was. When I said progressing forward, I didn't specify in what way. Gear, story, professions etc. From the start, anything beyond T8 offered no additional reward and it was rumored that it was there purely for challenge, no reward.

[@DeadmanMockingbird]

The Key depletion achievement could be solved easily. Every 500 or so rating, give an achievement that doesn't let your key deplete past +X. That way, punishments for failing are still there, since Blizz wants that (Can't be that hard to remove it, can it?), but we also get a safety net so that way we don't get fucked over and over.

[@philmehrart]

Or just don't have keys, go to a dungeon and select the difficulty like delves

[@zylle1993]

Why punish players?? Gaming should be fun , not punish you

[@Seus-s]

​@@philmehrartdelves are the better m+ but players love eating shit. Let them.

[@taylorcliff6609]

the keys are completely useless. either make them useful or get rid of them. locking out a M+ level due to not having a key that means nothing feels weird these days.

[@Shamaniukas]

Get rid off keys 🔑 please 🙏

[@Bk2Fitnessblog]

If the delve thing stays true, that’s great for players that aren’t considered meta. I love my lock and she’s rly decent but I can barely get into M+ because I’m not considered meta 😢

[@lunar2328]

That really sucks, I'm sorry 😟 As someone that played a non-meta spec back in Legion, I got denied constantly. The best advice I could give is: try to find a guild, make friends in the keys you do get into, and use your own key. Once you get some mythic io score, it'll make you a much more attractive choice regardless of spec.

[@MikeyJ28]

It doesn’t have anything to do with playing Warlock because Lock has been meta in M+ for a while now. There are just too many dps players in general.

[@xkarasu9705]

@@MikeyJ28 This is just not true. As someone who has done M+ since it came out and have reached 3k+ consistently, playing meta and non-meta makes a huge difference. Currently my Enh Shaman gets insta invites while my Warrior (my main) sits there for hours despite being 10ilvls higher.

[@jackryan4482]

yeah i dont understand this. Why meta is even a thing. All classes should be given fair opportunity

[@kevinc8955]

Locks are gods in delves.

[@SubxZeroGamer]

M+ became a nightmare at some point in DF and I've never bothered since. It was like if you didn't have whatever dispel they needed your class was just bricked. And then it just got where people can't play. They can't even click the summoning stone much less do a dungeon

[@yani9o]

i had the same with my priest, but it was more because of no silence. there were so many casts that really needed to be interrupted (otherwise make it way harder or even wipe), but 90% of pugs was with tunnelling or plain braindead dps/tanks and nobody would. *priest can fear to do the same* - yeah, let's fear the fear-immune mob/boss... the other, most stupid decision blizzard ever made (especially at the start of DF): make mandatory skills optional (dispells, kicks, etc.). and of course, no dps would take them because they didn't increase dps... (and f*ck spec-sites like wowhead, icyveins, method, etc. they didn't include them in their basespec either, only mentioned it sometimes in the text - but if then again, those people don't read...) the only time i really could run M+ was when a friend played tank.

[@pavle480]

why do you need a summons when you can port to dungeon from capital lmfao

[@FillipikPlaysCZ]

@@pavle480 these ppl on these videos will complain no matter what, they will find anything to whine bout

[@Kross415]

I don't understand what Blizzard thinks...People doing M+12 are already doing M+, this is not going to bring more people into mythic wich is exactly what they're looking for. How can they be this oblivious?

[@JT-mt6ku]

Haven't done a single M+ this expansion, man has it felt good just completely ignoring that terrible portion of the game. 😂

[@christopherneil8265]

This is QoL for high keyers and a new thing to get people to try for 12s instead of just 10s

[@Kross415]

@@christopherneil8265 I understand what the change does, I don't understand why they focus on a change that's intented for an ultra small section of the playerbase like you pointed out, instead of improving the system so the majority feels like engaging with the system more.

[@Szeksp]

This is a big change nevertheless. My grp will benefit from it a lot

[@dashvash5440]

Right lol. It's love it if depletion was gone, if play more but I'm not get 2850 to just take some annoyance away.

[@creamyusbport4647]

i love the continued evolution of the warbands. it’s such a little thing but having more customization to the camps and having more than one is an addition I am genuinely excited for.

[@Grimtotem001]

Blizzard was so close, it's literally impossible for them to give players anything they ask for. If the requirement for no depletion is so low that it doesn't matter, Why is depletion still there at all? Like dude... come on

[@fireraid9173]

Low? Did you mean high? By the time you hit that score you wouldn't be running things sub 12 anyway, this is a change meant to help lower end players but this strictly helps the upper end.

[@JDP2393]

@@fireraid9173I don’t think the intention was to help lower tier players at all. I’m pretty sure it was aimed specifically at making pushing keys/score not as bad by not having to deal with depletes when pushing. It also helps with alts, ie if your main hits 2850, you can go on any alt and not deplete keys. Don’t think depletes should be removed at all though.

[@apreobrazhensky]

the no deplete achievement shows a complete disconnect between the developers and the player base - in my opinion, what they should have done long time ago was to make keys from +2 to +10 work exactly like +0 would - meaning per-boss loot, no timer, freedom to change gear and to refill party; then at +11 and higher they could have introduced "challenger" affix that would add timer and other restrictions, I would also suggest giving no deplete for free, because at that point extra punishment is not needed, players are punished enough already for not timing the key (spent their time)

[@Frostytrain]

this will be the best for everyone that is afraid to play M+! Now the Billy that one show off and have a challenge from M0 will be pissed off because the game is to easy😂

[@philmehrart]

The argument is that if there are no key depletes, then players at lower levels won't be able to run dungeons.....however at this point I'd say remove keys altogether and have a Delves tier system for M+ instead

[@apreobrazhensky]

@@philmehrart you would still be able to downgrade the key if you want to run lower version; I personally would remove a key level from the key altogether and make it similar to delves, so if you complete a key level X of a given dungeon you would be able to select any level up to X+1 for that specific dungeon

[@zylle1993]

Yes, ive been saying this since tww started, the random key shit is so bad, let us run the dungeons we want ! ​@@apreobrazhensky

[@JABO95SA]

@@apreobrazhensky i love how that sounds.

[@Lellianna]

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[@_kalle]

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[@Schoms]

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[@gameshowmatt]

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[@southpotato1172]

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[@retrohanska4441]

Of course they designed to solve depletion in exact way that does nothing to help most players who have problem with it. I don't get why out of every issue in the game this is the one that makes them revert to their Shadowlands conduit energy mindset. They treat this issue like it's the core pillar holding the entire M+ structure together and everything falls apart if they move it too suddenly. And I really struggle think why. Only reason I can really come up with is that it could create some imbalance in lower key hosting due to players not being forced down the ladder from time to time. But if that really is the case, the counter to almost every conceivable issue will be the surge of players joining who suddenly don't see the mode as waste of time due to there being less paranoia in inviting process and more importantly less reason for that paranoia.

[@sts3118]

It would be good if lets say we fail a +8 dawnbreaker. Then you get a choice of keeping the +8 dawnbreaker or get a random +8 dungeon. Also instead of downranking, when you get to the dungeon you could choose to do it at +6 like in delves. But the key holds its value as a +8 however its not going up unless you beat +8 key. I think it would be a really good supplement for low keys since we then dont loose our progress

[@Lily-Eevee]

5:07 NO WAY THEY FINALY ADDED AUTO THROW GLAIVE AS A TALENT OMG IVE BEEN LOOKING FOR THAT FOR SO LONG

[@Koutouhara]

I feel like they just need to take a half a year to a year or however long - to clean up the game and fix their foundations before putting out major content.... Everything they give is messy, it changes all the time, they come up with crazy stuff that breaks other stuff, they don't listen to players, they add and add new systems creating bloat... The game just feels like a chore all the time. It's confusing unless you permanently have wowhead up.. they just don't give good lasting QoLs.. It's so frustrating because there is definitely a decent game hiding in all this mess... but you have to wade through so much disorganizes dysfunctional mess to see it.

[@TheMagicGlobe]

Indeed but most of the player base will be mad at no new content dropping instead of being happy they are fixing the clearly rotted foundations. There needs to be time taken to prune the old systems purge tech debt and improve mechanics even if it means a longer season or less dungeons it will be OVERALL better for the health of the game.

[@outofash]

One of the reasons I’m having a hard time playing anymore. Not much feels rewarding in WoW to me. Whenever I play it’s usually to level alts for nostalgia, I don’t even enjoy farming mounts anymore. Side note: there are so many bloody currencies anymore it’s insane.

[@BittahDemon]

Man, it only took the WoW design team about 10 years to steal ideas from other MMO's and finally implement them into their game. Glad to see it happening, lets just remember that Guild Wars did mounts better and earlier and SWTOR had the ranged tank spec at their release.

[@elkitesaga999]

Because the King has fallen and Wow is not making money like they're use too. I use to push out whatever they want because people will buy, not buy aint they are in a panic.

[@Nightykk-ti8bd]

WoW was at its best when it had other games to copy content from. For years it had no-one to copy from, and it got boring/fell behind. Now there's games to copy from again - hopefully they start doing that.

[@caiolobo8291]

This channel is such a rollercoaster

[@harleyjordan1903]

It's because he's focusing on different elements. This video is positive, because the content looks good, the last was negative due to the state of the 11.0.7 patch, bugs, balance issues, etc, and the one before was positive because the story telling in that same patch is fantastic. The videos tones don't represent the entirety of the game, just the topics of conversation.

[@KrisCleans]

It’s annoying.

[@michaelpurdon7032]

The game is a rollercoaster.

[@INoIFearIGaming]

Yea it's weird how he can see both positives and negatives instead of solely focusing on being negative or solely huffing positive copium

[@lastelite3967]

@@KrisCleansno you just possess 0 nuance

[@wallyhiggens5369]

They need to let you run dungeons with your alts, and choose their personality types/roles in the group

[@piediddly]

As someone who loves M+ & the Marksmanship spec, I can understand what they're trying to solve with the rework, but I think for the percentage of active players who actually engage with M+/raiding is not enough of a reason to completely do away with MM having the CHOICE of whether or not to play with a pet. I'd still like the option of being able to run with a pet I've chosen to tame when I go solo, rather than an animal Blizzard has decided to 'grant' me. Taking away that choice from so many people who love MM, but don't raid or run M+ is not going to go over well, I guarantee it. Let's be real here, BM & MM play & feel completely differently from each other, & I absolutely prefer the style & abilities of MM over BM (there are a few empty spaces on my action bars when I switch between to BM for M+, whereas my bars are full up with abilities in MM). To me, & this is just my personal opinion, but BM feels a tad simpler to play than MM, & I prefer having more abilities to use. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for having the OPTION when I go into M+ dungeons to be able to use the new built-in pets so I don't have to summon/lust/dismiss anymore, but I'm not happy about them completely taking away the choice to then summon one of my chosen pets, after I leave that dungeon.

[@Relhio]

Wait till you hear what they did with Survival.

[@jamesromney2205]

Yes yes yes. I am here for a rework but this messes with my enjoyment of the class fantasy! I like picking my pet and having it tank for me in all my solo content.

[@Itsyourboyben1]

I concur with this statement in regard to taking away player choice to have a pet outside of M+ content. I personally don’t even touch M+ content bcuz its not rewarding enough to me & its a huge time suck. I use my MM nelf to solo RP quests & small friend group in the game world with the kaldorai sabers & owls. I still want to ability to use the pets ive spent hours obtaining specific to fulfill the RP aspect of being a Nelf Hunter. I like the condensed MM skills they’re applying but now i cant choose to have whatever pet I tamed. Pet taming is by far the largest/best experience WoW has to offer & is one/the MAIN difference i choose to play WoW. Idk buffs are good but now i feel like i have to switch to a different Talent Tree than what ive played for the last two years bcuz its not as fun without the pet. Shrug, i dunno…. Pretty bummed.

[@Itsyourboyben1]

@@Relhiowhat did they do?????

[@Dreambinder_]

The depletion thing cant go live in my book... We are of the same mind that it should he tiered with achievements and in the same bracket of difficulty. Meaning you can only deplete to keys with the same affixes but slightly easier. So the mindset revolves more around giving it a go in a slightly easier environment. Ideally though it should be tiered in such a way where if you graduate from a tier, you don't play that unless you choose to. If for example 10s don't deplete to 9s. You'll actually be able to go give your vault a shot all week long. And if you aren't there skill wise, instead of trying to push again to secure keys. People will actually be able" i cant play this key yet. Lets group up and wipe till we learn how" There, actual m+ progression

[@shifts-in-light]

2850 for no key depletion is ridiculous ... why bother putting that in at all if they're going to ask so much for it. Once I hit 2k for the mount I no longer care for pushing keys and switch to farming low-mid range keys until I get bored or finish collecting tier appearances (or start working on alts etc). I haven't had a single season, ever, where I've cared to push keys enough for my rating to reach 2850. So everyone like me is just going to have to continue to put up with people bricking keys doing stupid shit ? Just bc I prefer not running 12s doesn't make it any less of a waste of my time when I get stuck being unable to progress bc of other people not bothering to learn mechanics

[@maxmilian3229]

Why are you complaining? You just said you get ksm and then you stop “pushing”. These changes ain’t directed towards you, buddy. Stfu

[@Jackallen88]

Frost Mage - Fingers of Frost no longer uses a stack of Winter's Chill. FUCKING FINALLY! Been asking for this for years.

[@XxXDemonhunter]

Why? Frost mages are op

[@Anthska]

@@XxXDemonhunter They are ? so how come no one plays them anymore ? 99% of the mages i see are Arcane .

[@Tx1clan]

@@Anthska Frost is the best mage spec rn while arcane is prob the worst spec in the game atm

[@Anthska]

@@Tx1clan SO how come everyone is playing Arcane ? i mean i dont play mage much mainly pala/warlock but everyone i see is arcane right now..

[@LoganVegas3353]

Play what feels good and is fun Frost 💯

[@NovusGM]

The playerbase, especially influencers/content creators, has to stop coping/being a fanboy, etc, and start pushing for fundamental changes. This is the 4th time in a row where Blizzard shipped out borderline unplayable patches full of bugs and/or broken content/systems (pre-patch, TWW launch, anniversary patch and now the isle patch). Bad streak would extend into DF even. I have zero trust left in me that they will manage to deliver a patch with no major negatives. It is depressing how far we have fallen. They seem to ship something uncooked and adjust based on feedback. That means we are all beta testing content on live, and this must stop. Blizzard should be able to ship high-quality content that their players will enjoy without this cycle.

[@FillipikPlaysCZ]

lol this expac has the most content it ever had, youre literally cry baby that will never be satisfied, also thse changes are completely subjective, you NEED to understand that with your peanut brain, alot of the game is awesome and the actual playerbase loves it, these rage baiting creators and depressed people in comments are comletely irrelevant

[@FillipikPlaysCZ]

n.... youre depressing, your mindset is sad and youre th problem, the game is fun

[@Bward888]

My man really has the slop cycle worked out. >Next patch is the BEST thing ever! >The patch is here, and there are BIG problems. >Blizzard FINALLY listened >Next patch is the BEST thing ever! And the slop cycle repeats.

[@joke_d]

My man really said that the Golbin Cartels being like the Severed Threads was better than Convenants. Issue with Covenants was player power tied to them not them having unique quests/stories, mini games and rewards ffs... Niche issue probably, but I was kinda excited for the Cartels, not so much anymore...

[@PinataFreaks]

I think DRIVE being faster than flying is a good idea. Ever since they started giving us flying at level 20 ground mounts basically became useless. This balances that in a good way. Since flying often allows you take a more direct path and avoid enemies, it's fine for it to be a bit slower. It feels like, generally, it will be more worth it to use flying mounts for longer distances and ground mounts for shorter distances.

[@anthonytgameaddict]

key boosters love the +12 no depletes. means they can sell keys all day long and not have to push them back up. what a joke.

[@sts3118]

Damn, thats actually 100% spot on...

[@wendy.allison]

How many people actually hit 2850? Absolutely absurd to have it that high. Most of the people in my guild aren't even hitting 10s, there is no way they won't have depleted keys. Bliz seems to cater to the smaller amount of players doing higher content than they change things for people doing lower stuff. Kind of depressing and annoying.

[@Cr1ms0nPl4gu3]

It's not absurd it's called being good at mechanic

[@Cr1ms0nPl4gu3]

Sounds like people want blizzard to cater to those who have a low skill level

[@wendy.allison]

@@Cr1ms0nPl4gu3 That isn't what I am saying at all. 2850 is what' 12? 14s? idk, I don't keep track of that stuff any more. I do 10's and 11's. I'm sitting at under 2600 and I'm fine with that. I could do higher but there isn't any point for me to. I was 2946 last season and 3k in others. But there are more people doing lower stuff than high and when they brick a key it is very discouraging for them. I know people who have stopped doing mythics because of it or just aren't interested in it out of the fear of letting others down. They shouldn't be catering to anyone. It should be good for ALL not just a handful. They have more people doing lower content then the higher stuff but any time a change comes it benefits the few. They claim they want to make things better for all and want everyone to do mythics and enjoy it but that isn't what is happening.

[@Alex-in3rv]

I’ve been playing retail for a while and still struggle to understand where to get good gear and or how to upgrade them. I’ve gathered that m+ is the way to go? Very overwhelming

[@wendy.allison]

@@Alex-in3rv Delves are a good place to start. Try and do as many level 8 bountifuls as you can each week to fill up your vault. That means you need to do all the quests you can each week that gives you a chest because that will get you keys for the bountifuls. That will get you a champion pieces as well as possible heroic with a guaranteed heroic in the vault. Raiding will get you gear and yes, mythics as well. The delves and weeklies/some dailies will get you over 600 ilvl which you kind of need for people to even bring you in a mythic.

[@dannyporter7823]

I say this as a 15 year marksman hunter main: I HATE this change. Do not force take marksman hunter pets. We aren't all Mythic plus min/maxers, and before anyone says "just play BM or survival" if you want your pet, my answer is no, I do not like how those specs play. They almost play like different classes. Sure, SOME MM hunters prefer to not have a pet for bigger dps, but many of us prefer to have the swift marksman with a beloved pet. And no, this bird that isn't really a pet is not the same at all. The ability to have a pet for hunters should stay optional. If you want to give lone wolf a bloodlust to solve their complaint, go for it, but don't euthanize my lynx!

[@liamdavies2823]

say hi to the eagle

[@dannyporter7823]

@liamdavies2823 two things: the eagle is not a real pet, it's essentially a spell effect. Secondly, a huge part of the hunter fantasy is forming a bond with the pet of your choosing. Forcing an eagle on everyone feels bad. We aren't all Mythic plus min/maxers. Many of is value the RPG element to this MMO RPG. Taking away customizations and options and player agency will always feel bad.

[@liamdavies2823]

@@dannyporter7823 yep, the new eagle design is cool af. actually, the spec design as a whole is significantly better with 11.1's changes. want a pet? play the other two specs. you are speaking for a tiny percentage of mm hunter players

[@BunE22]

I haven't played my MM hunter since before the level squash, but if they don't get to collect pets, they aren't a hunter. A ranger maybe, but not a hunter. I play hunters for the pets.

[@Moomies]

You mean this whole entire game isn't just for the Mythic+ and Raiders?

[@theodorcalotescu1876]

This game looks more and more for 15 years old, rather than goin up.

[@soupwithfriends]

this man says blizzard is cooking when blizzard is absolutely not cooking so should i believe that they are cooking this time? probably not

[@victorb5]

So they are basically withholding gameplay enjoyment and conveniences until they are sure that I've been a good boy and done the grind they want me to do. By the time I get the conveniences, I would be done playing that content anyhow. And while I'm playing, it would feel like I was being intentionally inconvenienced due to knowing it exists if I grinded more. So no benefit for me personally. Will be staying unsubscribed until they make the game actually fun by taking the punishment out. Challenge content, yes. Unnecessary punishment, nope. Not interested in that kind of gameplay anymore.

[@captnmurphy]

No mention of windwalkers getting a literal plunder storm ability? that being 'slicing winds' which when taken replaces flying serpent kick. I'm not only surprised that you didn't mention this because how much you have enjoyed plunder storm but also because it clearly means they're willing to take ideas from the game mode and/or are using it as a testing bed for future class abilities that players may originally never gave a second thought about potential class fantasy/themed abilities

[@stoic1337]

marksman forced unchosen/untamed pet is terrible immersion

[@gordschultz1980]

This is an early Christmas present! Great to hear Blizz on the Delves. Really like what they've done with them and now with the right crests at higher level I can avoid the poison of Mythic + runs. Great video as always, thanks for sharing. Merry Christmas!

[@Dewbah22]

This game has the Currency system of Free to Play games

[@Shedovv]

What currency system do you refer to exactly? There are.. lots of different ones. Which makes sense, since this is an MMO.

[@dashvash5440]

Yea, I'm a bit stuck on Gilded Crests and Mythic + only gone to 6. I'm new and raid we're at Heroic Queen, and the fact of the matter is I learn by playing. The games a bit alien to me still and Dungeons are hard to memorize from videos. Give me a cool ass Raid (dungeon) Leader (who HAS no ticking clock) to help on board me and I'll perform just fine and occasionally stomp. Really wish they either axed the timer for deaths, or maybe just shorten the freaking Dungeon. Hey maybe give us some light workshop tools so I can go mess around with boss mechanics instead of doing it live when I'm with a sweaty PUG. It's just not that fun. Raids are great but my friends raid and they're OGs who were super helpful and would also be on a different call and just relay and watch me to see if I was messing up. Positioning is brutal in WoW with the damage even adds can do.

[@Shedovv]

@@dashvash5440 You just perfectly described the underlying reason of toxicity that makes people like me Steer Clear of M+ and Raiding. In some cases only playing that content with Guildies or Friends and in others, not doing it AT ALL. As for Crests. You are far from the only person who finds the Crest system overwhelming. But I wouldnt call that F2P game specific. There are plenty of "premium" (cause that word doesnt mean much these days) and P2P games (like WoW itself) that have a ton of these currencies.

[@JDP2393]

@@dashvash5440Follower dungeons exist, it’s basically a workshop where you can learn the dungeon fights/mechanics. It’s extremely easy of course, but you can use it to see what mechanics exist in the dungeon.

[@justinhammon4750]

Thank God choosing hunter pet specs is back! It was so limiting trying to choose a pet that matches your mog but also has the abilities you want/need

[@Dark_Jaguar]

I think it's about time they altered the method of switching raid/dungeon modes (in the wild I mean) so that instead of that mess of right clicking the character portrait, forgetting you had it in the wrong mode, stepping back out and switching, you just... get presented with a menu whenever you enter a dungeon. Whoever's party leader makes that choice and everyone else follows into it, all that standard stuff. It'd also mean they could make drastic changes down the line without affecting older raid option selections. Never ones just present the newer menu.

[@NemoN0body]

holy shit, take a shot every-time he says "basically", gl not dying.

[@jamesknight404]

As a solo marks hunter, I'm not sure I like these changes.

[@terrygoodman5683]

I'm certain I don't. All the pets we have will be useless and we can't have them out to tank for us.

[@Itsyourboyben1]

As a solo MM hunter non raider/M+ content player. I don’t like these changes

[@tenshikaren]

I'm sure I'm not the only one that heard about 'dynamic flight' that was to come out in DF and immediately submitted suggestions requesting 'Dynamic ground mounts', and I'm so excited we are seeing some mount families forming. We always have 'no fly zones' and understandably so... but wouldn't it be fun to jump around on a frog mount like the 'Frog'it' quest? It isn't too dissimilar to the rocket jump thing on the Siren Isle, and that's pretty fun. I could see some dash and double jumps from 'stag and horse' mount families, all winged flying mount families should have glide whenever falling at the speed of their momentum while flying mounts without wings could have a slowfall and 'hold space to hover' feature, cats could have a 'stealth' that isn't full stealth but drastically reduces aggro area, larger mounts like kodo and elekk could be daze proof and immune to forced movement effects, there are a ton of useful abilities built into the lore of WoW that kinda just feels right to add to different ground mounts (and even unique flyers) that could make travel more interesting and convince players to use more than their one favorite/newest mount exclusively.

[@undraxis]

I hope, if unlikely, LFR can earn the raid reknown too even if its a snail's pace compared to the other difficulties.

[@Khadharphak]

Wait wait wait... MM just loses its pet completely? I liked MM because lone wolf was an _option,_ not a requirement. I could go lone wolf in dungeons but pull out my pet for delves. I already have a BM hunter and I'm being told "just go BM again lol" if I want a pet to tank for me in delves. Also just making eagle eye MM only is such a weird fucking random nerf. Because it has fucking _eagle_ in the name? At least pack leader is better I guess

[@frostmagemarii]

We have a Psuedo pet... which i hope doesn't have to be a bird. I want to retain my wolf.

[@Sindragozer]

Ranged tank? If that becomes a thing i'd love to see a warlock tank spec in retail, like they have in SoD.

[@EvanJung]

as someone who can't always justify a subscription but likes to go to the login screen just to look at my toons, "Camp groups" alone has me so excited

[@Artorius300]

The Havoc changes are, on paper, a huge nerf due to the removal of the Mastery talent. Wich implies we were good... nope. Tier B (around the middle if we put all specs on a list) on raid and F on M+. We Havocs are scared to death, until PTR comes avaliable and we can see how bad these are. Or maybe they will be good. WE DON'T KNOW, WE ARE SCARED

[@DrakonisLibertas]

No, you Havocs that enjoy zoom zoom &’like being forced to AMD are scared. Us true Legion DH breeds are excited for this. The Deva have already said that they understand that they will have to compensate for the loss of AMD. Be patient & let’s hope DH is going back in the right direction.

[@phen00]

@@DrakonisLibertas DH died for me after legion. if this is us going back to how it used to play, I'm extremely excited

[@DrakonisLibertas]

@ I feel that. I’m just hopefully optimistic.

[@Junebug89]

Getting rid of depletion but only if you're clearing all 12s (or maybe just almost all?) is actually fucking bonkers lol. Removing depletion across the board would make the pugging experience so much better and cut back on toxicity but I guess the people who are pugging in the lower ranges are not blizzards focus.

[@Sn0wyBlazer7965]

it would 100% not then youd have even dumber people in even higher keys

[@zachishot17]

I wish the Dinars worked for the season dungeon loot as well.

[@TheHatefulHulk]

Happy Holidays to all!

[@TaliesinMyrddin]

The raid renown idea is one I've wanted for old raids and dungeons while farming them for mogs - the idea of getting faster and stronger as you repeatedly do legacy instanced content is great.

[@Seus-s]

I just came back from anlong break of 7 years from wow retail and I'm already tired of it lol.

[@SinNombre-_-]

"Eagle Eye is now only learned by Marksmanship Hunters" why!?

[@SupremoMancoSama]

sniper

[@MikeyJ28]

Because it makes the most sense for MM. BM and Surv are the pet classes.

[@snekdown]

thanks Bellular team for all y'alls great work this past year! merry christmas & happy holidays

[@The86Ripper]

I dont think most people realise how radical, drastic and overall healthy for the game is being able to gear fully *just* by doing delves. And while i have used the argument in the past, that you dont really need high gear if you arent pushing high key or raiding content but you know what? Anything that drives away from gameplay that can be potentially obsessive, toxic and parasitic (let alone a timewaste and/or not a good correlation to time investment vs rewards), is a huge win.

[@Gorblade]

They didn't listen very much when they robbed 1000's of guild banks though...

[@TheCherrypoppin]

So much of these rep rewards from the raid should have been in the game baseline, like the upgrade NPC is given to us in Amirdrassil with 0 rep grind. AND it moves to you at different points as you progress through the raid. Aberrus also had one albeit only at the start at the raid but it was at least still there

[@vash_dakari]

As a hunter main that flips between MM and BM, I do not like either of these changes. Honestly don't see how they came to the conclusion that these changes are a good solution that will go over with the hunter hall. Hey, Blizzard, leave the pets alone!

[@banhammer7243]

The Camp groups is a feature I wanted since the introduction of the Warband login screen. Happy days.

[@kyleganse4978]

Im glad they into making larger changes between patches now because it makes season to season more varied based on the changes overall. The theme of this raid is amazing. I love it.

[@jamesdarney5049]

The defensive procs aren't horrible, it might actually make playing tank more engaging, since you can potentially use these procs to reposition times / scenarios to use your inherent CDs *IF* if doesn't incur it's CD on proc

[@Thepaulislame]

Lately I have had no motivation to log on or do anything in this game. Been playing it for over 15 years now.

[@thedarkzeroneo9323]

Sounds like burn out take a break and relax for a bit

[@Thepaulislame]

@@thedarkzeroneo9323 I haven't raided since WOTLK classic came out. I have been really casual the last few years. It's not that, it's the game.

[@iyato4137]

Could it be the fact you’ve been playing a game for 15 years and it’s time to stop?

[@riddert4966]

ever since 9.1 i learned to unsub the last 1-2 months of a patch. saves money, no mindless logging on, more time for other games and feeling refreshed whenever a new major patch starts :)

[@Thepaulislame]

@@iyato4137 I've taken breaks and been unsubbed for months at a time. That's not it.

[@Lichdemonz]

They may as well turn Augvoker into a DPS at this point, if they don't want it to be a real support...

[@Max-9871]

they had to do something like that. aug is overperforming in m+ and underperforming in raid so taking away the mainstat buff for tanks/healer to make room to buff other abilitys without making them even more op in M+ is smart.

[@Lichdemonz]

@@Max-9871 Couldn't care less at this point... my raiding guild is dead, so I have no reason to play anymore, and my dad is dead. Just kinda feel like everything's pointless right now.

[@Ghust19]

@@Lichdemonzmy condolences to you, my friend. Maybe try to find some other social guild, even on alt to help you during the worse times. WoW has aleays been a blessing in such times for me atleast, maybe try some other content to those that you arę doing most of the time? Wishing you all the best and a lot of luck and health in the future

[@LazySleestack]

The hunter MM changes are abominable. The only people who find pets "annoying" are raiders. This has pissed me off more than just about anything they have done since I returned to the game. It is CLEARLY done to satisfy one subset of players, but at the expense of many others.

[@SamMathewsOfficial]

Plus all the people who collected pets for YEARS who are MM mains just lost hard.

[@zenwilds2911]

My MM hunter doesn't want an eagle. Removing core immersion for players is an awful choice. My MM hunter has so much RP story with her wolf.

[@SamMathewsOfficial]

@@zenwilds2911 I don't think blizz gets how much people actually love using and collecting pets.

[@theartofgank1120]

Good thing there’s two other specs you can play if you want a pet. As a m+ player fuck pets

[@Junebug89]

@@theartofgank1120 Damn if only there was a way blizzard could please both players without forcing them out of the spec they like. Some kind of... talent specialization where people could choose if they wanted an eagle or a normal pet.

[@porkins1202]

Some things are looking good, but as a Tank I am deeply worried for the tanking meta in S2, DH looks ok with its set bonus and a buff to demon spikes and druids are getting some more survivability. However as of right now the other tank specs are not looking great, especially with the prot warrior nerfs, but BDK and brew need a good looking at - and paladin just looks like it will dominate another season with it only receiving a few tweaks to hero talents and their set bonus granting them a ton of holy power

[@Urukage]

Looks like more bloat added to the game. I hope those still playing retail enjoy it. I personally hate goblins, kobolds and most of the undermine stuff. The earthen were the only thing that kept me leveling one of my characters. Once I level capped I stopped playing again since it all just becomes more FOMO, carrot on a stick, treadmill stuff to keep people busy.

[@lichslayer0045]

Real Shame a Tinker Class won't be Out for this Undermine. Would have fitted for the vibe and more.

[@1776-RoundTwo]

I would guess that Luck of the Draw would just pop one of your defensive's but not it's CD. I remember in Torghast on DK, you could get an ability that, every time you interrupted something, you got icebound fortitude for x seconds. But I could still use icebound fortitude on demand when I needed it. I don't see a problem with this.

[@gigachaddraven5635]

Brewmaster monk needs their change still

[@Sapphire707]

That makes zero sense to make their potential 1st support class option restricted to only buffing DPS. This isn't gonna take well...

[@Athenaia_Solork]

Having someone say that you're getting more rewards specially for losing in something is a wild thing, never thought I'd hear something like that.

[@TheJoyofNoodling]

2:25 skip to

[@longwildernesswalks]

Blizzard just dangling out a hook with the M+ changes. It's like a 30% compromise, but still, completely missing the mark. Reminds me of that insurance commercial with the guy fishing with the dollar bill, "You almost got it. Gotta be faster than that!" This is a non-starter, and it's sad that you aren't calling them out on that. How does this benefit the regular Joe? Oh, wait, it has ZERO benefit to the guy trying to push keys. Typical Blizztard... remining obstinate and defiant to what players want since 2004.

[@MikeyJ28]

I don’t get what the issue is. They continue to make the content easier and more rewarding for failure but it’s not enough? You get an entire gilded upgraded per dungeon completion now and the conversion up is 50% reduced.

[@Max-9871]

We are at a point right now where +10 is the same difficulty as a +10 in the old system while it was supposed to match a +20 and you are getting more crests. Imo thats far away from a "30% compreomise" its more like they did give the people who were complaining like 90% of what they wanted

[@Xclusive89]

Removing pets, the identity of the hunter class, from Marksmanship hunters is such a bad idea. It’s like removing stealth from one of the rogue specs.

[@alicevoidspeaker2100]

I wish the Eagle just replaced Lone Wolf im the tree. Instead of enforcing the lack of a normal Hunter Pet. Or at least let us change the Eagle to just be one of our Stable Pets. Because it really sucks that if the Eagle doesn't really fit the vibe or mog of your character, you're essentially being told to get bent. Like. I don't think an Eagle really fits being the companion to a Nelf, Orc, Troll, Velf, or Darkfallen. And I would much rather just keep the pets I currently use on my Hunters without needing to respec to BM.

[@Echo22WC]

Im perfectly fine with the MM changes after they make SV ranged single pet, BM melee zoo keeper & whatever you think survival is now migrates to rogues....because thats what they are.....SV should be ranged pet trapper.

[@vic.olofrost]

This D.R.I.V.E. Thing is going to be like Dragonflying. Gonna come to all ground mounts eventually.

[@catrinastars]

I’m assuming that the raid renown is a seasonal thing only.

[@TobiIsAGoodBoy1]

this is litteraly an idea i had with a tank/dps clothy. both using guns with tank using flechette rounds to deal aggroing bleed damage with its dps dual wielding guns using a new type of pet tamed humanoid NPCs.

[@elmoonburst]

Thank fel I never have to step into m+ again. I love my delves. ❤

[@Pokabu94]

this was the chance for blizzard to add more goblin hairstyles

[@marcvsaurelius7570]

As someone who has been playing MM hunter since I started the game in BFA, so happy to see this.

[@DoctorJones841]

18:10 There are already talents that do this for Paladin and they don't activate the cooldown. Bad take.

[@POTATOEMPN]

I made an involuntary groan of silent rage when you said "Mists of Tirna Scithe". That's when you know a dungeon needs to be looked at.

[@roz1281]

Are they gonna fix the ui issue where one of my action bars gets relocated to top of screen every time I launch the game? Also id love controller support for the new driving system!

[@Mysterious-Fox-01]

+_= blizzard just can't resist giving the Big D Finger to normal players with the keystone depletion nonsense normal players don't get that 2850 rating, they give the elite player an advantage again

[@TheCommentFactory]

The only way for delve to truly compete with m+ is to have delves drop the same gear level as m+

[@arfenos_porrows]

This game needs a new ranged bow-gun class, so blizz can let hunters be hunters, and rangers - snipers be that without the pet fantasy

[@bm2844]

The Augvoker “nerfs” are very very minor. Ebon might didn’t really affect healer or tanks (it’s something like 8% impact). So it’s a minor change to our overall support impact, I doubt it changes a whole lot for us.

[@InFlamezGaming]

I don’t have any issues with the game. After a 5year break I have a lot of content to do. If I get bored with M+ and Raids, I switch to questing older content and visiting all the regions I missed during my break.

[@nintendoboy1001]

media offline was my fvourite part of the prologue ye

[@StarzBlacks]

I made up a drinking game: drink everytime you hear bellular to say “pretty damn” “neat” “pretty nice” and “cool”

[@MasterZuzu]

What a great video. Bellular, the right mix for me. Thank you!

[@Lildagah]

I was gonna skip s2 but the new raid system/ dinars coming back has changed my mind 👀

[@temrozela]

I think if the 2 piece bonuses could be triggered by other people as well as yourself would be awesome. Make a "jackpot" be an actual jackpot that buffs the whole raid.

[@Gimpo925]

I left right before the 30 year anniversary and had called that the tanks would shift to Paladin, I am happy to hear that I was very right there. I tried coming back this weekend and my ui didnt work, that kills me. Why cant they just make the ui customizable so I dont need 3rd party addons to make the game play like I want.

[@rmalaf]

Delves have the potential to be the untimed and depleteless mythic plus people are looking for, blizzard just have to enable the highest gear drops from them too

[@BarbieAnimation101]

I wish they would make it to were there are more group finder options for mythic dungeons and raids instead of just raid and dungeon finder. I know you can join or create a group but it's hard to join because no one accepts you if your ILvL isn't maxed out. But it's like I want to join to get the gear to max out :( And a lot of guilds suck and don't help new members.

[@ChrisTehKiller169]

is delver's bounty the regular reward chest? because you already get guilded crests if you use a treasure map, is this saying you might just get them regardless?

[@wcryser8606]

I would like to see mythic+ the same as delves. Once you have done a +7 you unlock a +8 permanently and so on. That would make it way more casual and less toxic beceause you can choose whatever dungeon you want and you will not lose progress.

[@sts3118]

Maybe it could be like you got a dungeon key same as now, but key level is choosen like delves. This way unpopular dungeons will be played aswell

[@wcryser8606]

@sts3118 Thats a good idea. I think that would work! That way people also wont be scared to invite people beceause of key depletion.

[@ShadowFae0]

I hate that they are taking my pet from marksman spec. I had 0 issues before