If You Don't Know This Lore, World Soul Saga Will Make NO Sense

[@BellularGaming]

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[@jeusmarcomascarina4102]

Titans here is basically politicians and not god.

[@TK199999]

Bell you have to a review of the new Tides of Doom Mod for Warcraft III Reforged (A lets play would be cool too, especially if you remembered to added in some Lore explanations during it). Hell the death of Gul'dan in it will make you wanna use it from now on to show how he died.

[@xzeroangelx]

"CHAMPION! ARE YE THERE?!"

[@berchelio9737]

AZEROTH NEEDS YE, CHAMPION! "muffled sounds of disappointment and cursing to campaign designers"

[@custardstuff5178]

"HER WOOOOOOOUNS"

[@danielpapon1753]

Noooooo

[@NimbusThundertail]

"Wei haff ta mend Azeroth's mortal wÖÛNds."

[@blerp6675]

Oh God Noooo

[@roobixhube]

Small but poignant detail, Aegwynn did not defeat Sargeras, but his avatar. A very small manifestation of his power, on Azeroth. Otherwise it infers that Aegwynn could have taken down the fallen titan singlehandedly.

[@ahealthkit2745]

Pretty huge plot point considering the Avatar's power also seeped into her womb and corrupted Medivh before he was even born, apparently.

[@roobixhube]

@@ahealthkit2745 good point!

[@slXD100]

@@ahealthkit2745 yes, so she actually lost the fight!

[@brunosanto3488]

Honestly, with the recent announcement of the upcoming expansions, there are two details that may have seemed little or nothing, but that would have another meaning now. - The whisper "The king of diamonds has been made a pawn": Magni is known to be the bearer and voice of Azeroth. And well, maybe that whisper didn't mean that Magni became a pawn of Void, but rather that he became a pawn of Order (Titan). - Sylvanas's phrase about "This world is a prison!": Considering the logo for the expansion "The Last Titan", you can see that Azeroth is in a kind of prison. Therefore, metaphorically, it can be said that Azeroth is a prison.

[@jlinndemann7301]

We need playable Heartsbane coven witches! Ugly dps casters! Throwing some snake potion your way!

[@NoConsequenc3]

There is absolutely zero evidence that the voice(s) Magni hears is Azeroth. The method he took to become a diamond was of Titan origin, not Azerothian. He was hearing the voice of Titans, NOT the voice of Azeroth. The only thing he ever got from her were bursts of emotion. He is 100% a pawn of the Titans.

[@cujoedaman]

Don't forget that in Shadowlands that we're told the Light and the Void are not important and mean nothing, so we're really doing all of this for nothing.

[@END3RFURY]

Great video. I really appreciate all of your lore vids, however, as someone who just recently jumped back into WoW with Classic Season of Discovery and also retail patch 10.2, I'm trying to catch up on everything I've missed story-wise since TBC. and, I gotta say... I'm still quite lost overall😅. I wish there were a concise series that could get me caught up on the ENTIRE 'story thus far', starting from the stories and cutscenes of OG classic then covering everything sequentially from patch to patch, season to season, and expansion to expansion, all the way up to present day. I haven't seen anything of the sort on KZbin tbh, there's plenty of in-depth lore, Azeroth histories and mythologies videos, but what about the actual story recap? I believe this could be a task for Bellular. 😉 Anyway, love your channels, keep up the good work!

[@benkent862]

Nobbel might be the one to try, though he usually covers characters and their history/story

[@louieflingem]

I think there’s an ‘entire history of wow’ video that briefly goes over everything in a fun sorta way.

[@ahealthkit2745]

There's a lot of videos that delve into the actual lore of each expansion, but the game really does struggle to have a cohesive story pre-WOD/Legion-era Wow, IMO. Most of the stories are told subtly, through quest text and item info and npc dialogue, but the story becomes more gradually more cinematic after Cataclysm. Now the important stories are happening in cutscenes and stuff. It's a major improvement but the game's story has always struggled to be concise and cohesive. I hope the Worldsoul Saga links the expansions together in a way that really helps with that problem.

[@corvosantini]

I would recommend reading the books. There’s a KZbinr that does some great machinama style retail of the books chapter by chapter. The audiobook versions are great as well.

[@ataridc]

​@@corvosantini assume this person means Flying Buttresses

[@jaycarter-coles2900]

This has been so helpful since I have been away from wow for so long! I also would love to know about what happened to Anduin... Last time I saw him he was a child!

[@MisterBlightside]

Girl, let me tell you... 😅

[@Inufan2005]

For the Tl;dr: Cata he convinced Varian to spare Moira and instate the Council of Three Hammers in Ironforge, Mists he got lost on Pandaria, Befriended Wrathion, and almost got killed by Garrosh; Legion he became King after Varian's Death at the Broken Shore and by the end obtained Shalymane from the spot where Gul'dan obliterated Varian; BFA he took in Night Elf and Gilnean refugees after Sylvanas burned Teldrassil, leading to the invasion (and destruction) of The Undercity, followed by formally inducting the Kul Tirans into the Alliance and invading Zandalar and Killing King Rhastakan then inciting a successful rebellion against Sylvanas with Overlord Saurfang, then in Shadowlands he was abducted by Sylvanas and taken to the Maw where he was tortured and Shalymane was corrupted by the Jailer with Domination Magic so he could use Anduin as an unwilling pawn, since we freed him from the Jailer's control he's been wandering.

[@Inufan2005]

And yes, that IS the Tl;dr despite how long it is.😅

[@jaycarter-coles2900]

​@@Inufan2005 haha wow he has been a busy boy! Thank you!

[@GrumpyRook]

Correct, aside from the spelling of Shalamayne. But otherwise a good condensed explanation.

[@a1pha_star]

So cool. I'm really hyped for the Worldsoul Saga.

[@MegaChickenfish]

Going through a lot of this in order of release is a fun perspective. Going through the wiki you'd mostly just encounter it in story order, which is much, MUCH different. Not even mentioning all the time travel...

[@kylesmith564]

Great vid! I think I like Pyro and his communities theory about the jailer, that the Primus was basically puppeting the Jailer to take the fall. Everything seemed pretty conveniently laid out for us to carve a path to the Primus. Imagine being bested and controlled by the type of magic you made!? And then he ends up making a new crown, something stronger than Domination.

[@RetroGuy_77]

I think Azeroth is special in that she is a convergence of all of the cosmic energies: Death, Life, Order, Disorder, Light, Void. Being a convergence, she's the most powerful entity in existence and all of the other forces want to dominate her and control her before she awakens.

[@francescoporcari8597]

The cosmic forces converge in the whole reality. The same could be said about different planets (Argus, Draenor etc.). Azeroth is a titan, full stop.

[@codyp2808]

@@francescoporcari8597or is Azeroth’s prison simply being controlled by the last titan? There’s more to the story than “Azeroth = Titan”

[@Alex06CoSonic]

I think Azeroth is an imprisoned Titan that the Titan Pantheon imprisoned within the planet because she posed a threat to their interests (which were self-serving) and they "redacted" the truth so that no one on the planet would learn of it and oppose them. Sargeras was the only one who opposed them, but his goals were self-serving as well, not caring for any and all life on the planet.

[@georgeo309]

betting on the last titan not referring to Azeroth, but to Sargeras.

[@loremasterG]

Interesting how WotLK, SL and their end cinematic and the Last Titan all had something to do with the soul forge and Ulduar

[@loremasterG]

Hell, even Galakrond is there

[@drewsessions6040]

would be great if there was a story mode playlist of just the quests, boss fights and cutscenes that give us this kind of lore (that i always just ignored because i was just too focused on loot tables)

[@stormstrider1990]

This was a nice recap of the lore of Azeroth, and how this world has grown and evolved over the years. From the original name of the kingdom currently known as Stormwind, to the very center of the universe every seat at the high table wants. There's even conflict within each seat.

[@FlourEater]

I am excited for the new arch, but on the other hand I am also excited to collect yet another 10 pelts and be local, village hero. You go to save the world and whatnot.

[@johnnyvdoremalen]

Bro, what if Sargeras wasn't trying to KILL Azeroth when he stabbed the planet, but was actually trying to FREE her? This world is a prison!

[@francescoporcari8597]

Nah , that was Sylvanas being scammed by the Jailer and talking nonsense. The World soul is a titan, just as Argus

[@KC-py5vq]

And your sufficient evidence for this is???​@@francescoporcari8597

[@panamajack5972]

Cause Sargeras has been smoking world souls to prevent void corruption since at least wotlk's era's lore

[@darkmethods9149]

In reguard to "The Final Titan" expansion it could be referring to Sargeras because he is a titan and still alive.

[@eXcaligore]

Always love these lore videos

[@SulithriaofOnyxia]

Thanks a lot for the video. I really enjoyed it. I haven't played since Legion and was wanting to return since Chris Metzen came back. I think I'll give it a shot!

[@Nagria2112]

belluar: wow story in 25 min Nobble: wow story playlist108 Videos each 30-40 min

[@namajeff4199]

it's not wow story though, it's azeroth only as in the concept of azeroth not even what happens on it

[@Nagria2112]

@@namajeff4199 i´m just mocking him. there if a place for both videos. short and long. i love them both =)

[@NoConsequenc3]

@@Nagria2112 you can mock without being unfair.

[@charlesquigley4383]

Good thing Azeroth can call upon millions of murder hobos only desire loot, gold, and transmog to defend her.

[@digitaldwagon]

Azeroth: "Help! They're killing me!" meh Azeroth: "... I'll give you a cool dragon to ride if you win" I'm in.

[@derekpauley4420]

3:29. Just had a thought about the tomb... Tomb of sargaras. Which would mean he was dead.... Who can bring a titan from the dead?

[@NostraDavid2]

It's the tomb of his avatar, which was defeated by Aegwynn a few thousand years ago. That's how Illidsn was able to get the Eye of Sargeras, even though the Titan has never been on the planet before (until Legion happened).

[@ripsonac]

This is the best lore delivery by far. You're a great story teller man,well done!

[@Vikingeek]

Something I'd not connected until you mentioned it in a video a week or two back, was the idea of the Tauren's Earth Mother being Azeroth - is that actually explained anywhere? Or is it just a drawn conclusion?

[@ahealthkit2745]

There's some examples given in the video, but considering that when Tauren worship the Earth Mother, they usually get responses from the earth (of Azeroth), I would assume the connection is fairly implicit.

[@mykulpierce]

The transition of Azeroth being used for a kingdom to the entire planet and then the being within the planet seems very much in allegory for the storytelling style that leads blizzard. In a way that nothing is permanent and is transitionary. For me as a dungeon master in tabletop RPGs that has to create settings for players, I like to keep things consistent for them. Sometimes it's great to be very creative and exploring. Different ideas are wonderful. Button and inconsistent story breeds confusion in audiences.

[@horatio118]

I’m thinking of getting back into wow for war within after years of absence, but catching up to the lore seems to be quite hopeless. Don’t get me wrong, this is a good vid, and I’ve watched a couple of other ones as well, but I just can’t find a way to latch on to this story anymore, it’s much too convoluted for that if you’ve been away for a long time. Sucks, cause I would like a basic understanding of what we’re doing if I’m going to play again

[@brianshort5335]

Azeroth is gonna pop out and be pissed at us for plucking herbs and clanking nodes for cash

[@mrchainsaw4139]

It would be wild if wow ended with Azeroth hatching 😮

[@alouts]

A very helpful recap, especially for the Cata thru to Legion timespan which I'm not super familiar with. Azeroth seems to be some kind of "pure potential" which could become anything depending on the influence, given the various alternate timelines of Azeroth. Something something the world is what you make of it? 🤷🏻

[@ShadowTheHedgehogCZ]

16:08 - This is the part I don't understand. It was never explained in game. In the Legion expansion, one of the main quests mentioned that all the Titans are dead, that Sargeras killed them. And then you tell the main characters, and they are shocked and feel like we are alone because of this. And then the last raid of the expansion comes, and somehow the Titans appear out of the blue around the last boss. Alive. And nobody questions that or explains how are they alive. I never heard or read anyone saying that the Titans somehow saved their souls by somehow sending them to Azeroth. Or how their revival worked. Or what triggered it.

[@laertesindeed]

@ShadowTheHedgehog So..... unfortunately you are falling victim to the classic blunder of not distinguishing "objective narrative" from "unreliable narrator statements" and subsequently confusing yourself by pretending one was the other. The questline in the early patches of Legion was "NOT" an objective outside narrative establishing something that happened. It was Khadgar being told something third hand by a character who was factually mistaken.....and then Khadgar reacting the way he would when he believes something. We were never "shown" any objective evidence for the titans being dead....it was simply an opinion of a mortal construct who lost contact with any Titans and assumed the worst. This mistaken assumption served the writers of Legion by giving them breathing room to not spoil their plans for having a raid called Antorus which they would eventually release many months after the mistaken questline you mention. And the writers believed that since their plan was to have some of the major named Titans imprisoned and tortured by Sargeras in the raid......this would explain why it seemed like they were dead to the people who lost contact with such Titans and were not having their messages answered, so to speak. There was, by the way, an entire story campaign with Magni and Turalyon and Alleria leading up to Argus in Legion that gradually reveals that Argus is a world soul in pain, and that Aggramar still exists and is corrupted in flame without his will.....and even has a small clip which reveals to us that the major Titan souls are being held in the torture chamber. These particular story campaign reveals are "shown" ....in the objective narrative sense, not just dialogue claims by unreliable narrator characters telling about such developments.

[@ahealthkit2745]

@@laertesindeed Yeah, I remember this bit of the story only because of raiding Antorus a lot when it was relevant content.

[@ShadowTheHedgehogCZ]

@@laertesindeed I am pretty sure the revelation the Titans were dead came from the fragment of Xare that talked to the player, not from Khadgar. And it wasn't unreliable narrator, as it wasn't false as Bellular now states. Titans did die. It's just we were not told about their resurrection or how or when that happened. I remember the questline with Magni on Argus now. Yeah, Aggramar was shown to be alive. Maybe even other Titans were mentioned. But I remember that from the way it was worded, it made no sense to me back then. If Magni and the other major lore characters learned that Titans are somehow alive, I would think they would make a bigger deal out of it than just one passing line in a dialog with Magni. And that they would wonder how it's possible. But it was just skimmed as something that is barely important.

[@laertesindeed]

@@ShadowTheHedgehogCZ No.... once again, you are mistaken. You are now also fibbing about what I said. I did not say that Khadgar was the source of anything, I said Khadgar was responding to the unreliable narrator claim that got passed to him. He "NEVER" saw the titans being dead and had no evidence of it ever happening. Nor did we the player character "EVER" see the titans dead nor ever at any point have any evidence that the titans were dead. Quite literally, we were told a claim by an unreliable narrator. You are wrong, and you are making the mistake of pretending that you have objectivity about an event that was never objective in the narrative. You typing "the titans did die" is false. I'm sorry that you are having trouble with reading comprehension in video game narratives, but you really must face the music.

[@ShadowTheHedgehogCZ]

​​@@laertesindeedwhat the hell is fibbing? And who's the pretentious one here? I literally say what I know, you while you elevate your understanding. And it doesn't matter in the slightest if we were being lied to about the Titans being dead. That's not my point. My point was that our character and the important characters in the lore that we closely interact with like Magni, Khadgar or Velen believed Titans were killed. The we learn they were not, and none of these characters seem to want to elaborate on something that major. That's weird. It's not about me, or about me being inferior in your absolute lore understanding. It's about how the story is presented and how the characters behave.

[@lukasgaming82]

Love it, please keep these coming Bell!

[@wscroggins6289]

You're the real MVP... your lore analysis remains A-1 🎖

[@brianmurray7980]

Can we just pretend the entire Deneuser era was a dream that didnt really happen?

[@HITXxXxS]

Daughter of Light and Void, ultimate unity of both creator powers

[@bobbythefish4836]

This is probably the best synopsis of the story I have seen. A shame that it has gotten so convoluted over the years. I am to the point now that the more there is to the story, the less I enjoy it.

[@Q8Bart]

Warlocks gonna be powerful in Worldsoul Saga working together with Gul'dan summon unique new demons and toy Gift of N'zoth will be a powerful ally in Worldsoul Saga 😈💪

[@imthrillz5255]

I thought they told us at blizzcon the war within would be a good starting point for people

[@Hoigwai]

If I had to guess I would say Azeroth is a Titan but she is all powers in one vs the others that are fragmented and singular aspects. This is why she is so powerful and seemingly without limits.

[@RB94Productions]

That honestly makes sense considering Azeroth has been influenced by every single power from Warcarft cosmology throughout its history.

[@PaulRoneClarke]

I’ve played WoW since 2007. I don’t know any lore… Ive skipped every single quest and cut scene for 16 years. The lore is in my imagination. Merc for hire. I go back to my garrison to this day. My alts and guild mates (when I’m in a guild ) are the other characters. The nonsense real,lore of the game doesn’t interest me or engage me at all. My imagination does.

[@Zeraphym47]

cant really judge anyhting if uve never even given it a chance...in reality ur type of player just has a huge attention defieceit problem a buddy of mien is jsut like u and if he cant keep playing or clicking somehting he gets irritated and nervous ....then asks 1000 quesions of why something is happening...ultra frustrating to say the least..not saying ur that exact type but it makes up over half of the people that skip lore easy...especially that problem getting way worse in the modern age...

[@PaulRoneClarke]

@@Zeraphym47 Well, none of that is true. WoW has always had a huge narrative for me…. In my imagination. I still use my Gassion from WoD and still hang out with guild mates. Every character I meet has a deep back story, motives and a history. I pop to Pandaria with Alts. Do the war quests in Legion. Love to revisits classic Westfall, always hoping I can save the Furlow family. Everyone has a part to play. It’s a rich deep tapestry of a game I’ve now spent over six thousand hours in over almost 20 years. But none of it is Blizzard. Because that would be the same plot over and over again. It’s my plot, made in my imagination. Because what happens there is 10000x better than the one Blizzard offers up. I don’t like story in any game. Just give me the motive. I’ll make up the rest. I live in my imagination, always have.

[@Zeraphym47]

@@PaulRoneClarke dude ur clearly to dumb to see beyond your own ways and basically completely acknowledge my beforehand comment...just cause you dont understand or get it dont make it not good...hell u dont even addmittingly give it any chance....i bet you would be a nightmare for any gamemaster in table top dnd...typical my way or the highway asshat

[@Gurtington]

Seems like now, that there are no "Good guys" when you think about this. Not even the Player character, we just do what we're told in hopes of achieving greater power to control or dominate those around us. Just like the old gods, just like the titans, just like the voidlords and so on. I guess maybe except for the dragon aspects? They just help others to help, because someone should if they can.

[@marko_g_korenski]

Thank You for this video!! I needed it!

[@umoramayori]

Would be interesting if Azeroth turns out to be where titan souls go when they die, so every titan killed makes her stronger.

[@adam-11herbs]

Or if they kill her then they gain true immortality.

[@bigmike2464]

I was hoping they would do a Dungeon or Raid at the sword

[@Charlezworth]

My only hope is that they move the story direction away from ‘ideas’ and towards characters. Although that said I don’t want Azeroth to be a character, just in the same way I don’t want us to meet Elune.

[@tommenno]

My Night elf wants to meet Elune.. Just for a fast chat.. Just a little bit of tea really.. Pay no mind to the steel chair and the hammer...

[@KC-py5vq]

God I hope they don't go in the direction you want you, would be absolutely dogshit

[@francescoporcari8597]

Yeah, not everything should be disclosed. The mystery makes things more interesting. As much as I want them to shift off from theoretical-cosmological stuff, I hate the narration being about characters sighing and talking slowly, ans sighing, and crying and talking again.

[@pachovazquez5607]

Blizzard has to make a short film about the lore at some point, so players can actually keep up with it

[@ThorusCrusius]

There are tons of "lore" stuff outside the game like books, comics, animated comics and what not. It's time to put it together in a quest line. Game related stuff belongs into the game not outsourced into something.

[@nunuonroad9969]

Quickly becoming my favourite wow lore channel

[@dustywaffles1297]

Slipping the sponsor into the end of the opening was a masterclass move. Well done.

[@zangetsuzabimaru]

I think between war within and midnight we will finally meet Anshe and Musha

[@Sachi000]

>Not shown them as evil Pursuing your own goals and disregarding everything else that leads to that goal (that may even lead to GENOCIDE) isn't evil?

[@francescoporcari8597]

The point is that word "may". however they have done some good things for us, like prevent us from being slaves of the Black empire. Or banishing the elemental lords.

[@Marshal_Dunnik]

I get it now. If you kill and loot the World Soul trinket, you gain the powers of a GM: fly at any speed, invisibility, invulnerability, kill any target, spawn any item, teleport to any location! No wonder people want to loot it.

[@yodiggievilla3825]

Just wanted to throw this out there... the war within i believe we are only thinking big and not on the level of hero characters. I believe the war within will be about those characters as well. they will have to choose a side for example anduin war within himself and the choices he made.

[@eadian80]

I think we are only thinking one dimensional. I believe the War Within is more tham just about azeroth. Also about anduin war within himself. The different races going from warring endlessly with each other to trying to be mote accepting etc... It is about the war within all of them. What ife the hand that grabbed anduin in the cinematic was arthas and not varian? What if he found out that was his actual father due to being control and having arthas fragment there with him. Now everything he kmew was flipped upside down

[@thorshammer7883]

I have grown tired of the constant chronology retcons it has become sickening. Nothing is consistent or utilized rightly with those writers and I especially grown tired of the constant cosmology rapid changes and the whole timelines function. Those were just dumb and made no absolute good sense. I have no faith in these incompetent writers anymore. They had their chance. But I am done with them. They want to retcon everything ten thousand times? Well then I am done with them especially with how they treated characters overtime, my patience is done.

[@GKSchattenjaeger]

Man, if they eventually turn Azeroth into a more clear manifestation, with a voice and dialogue, that she's well written. I find that a lot of lore/questing in WoW is written by amateurs in terms of story telling and/or writing in general. Or that's how it feels, perhaps they are trying to give everyone "a voice" in the story but that would be a terrible idea for cohesion and quality. And even if you try to adapt an idea someone had into lore if that idea doesn't match everything else it will end up feeling weird.

[@konig4626]

I miss Magni and his Azerite

[@sordmasta6646]

The story is going in a relatively good direction. But there is no one that i care to root for, or follow. I would describe every hero we have left as ...spiceless lentil soup, while we used to have lambchops and tomahawk steaks. Pardon my analogy, I'm currently eating :P

[@michealstarbuck]

I dont want to go underground. I like some stuff in azeroth.

[@francescoporcari8597]

I hate underground zones, and I'm not clautrophobic.

[@roguemjd]

All of the pantheons are comprised of artificial constructs. What makes Azeroth unique is that she developed naturally.

[@dirtyvargas98]

I wonder why the Draenei don't draw into this lore a bit more and they expand on that with the legion-esq stuff.

[@ahealthkit2745]

I would hope with the Eredar joining the Draenei, we'll get more info about what Sargeras was planning and why he duped multiple races into damnation. But tbh, Blizz doesn't have that great a track record when it comes to making sure their villains and generic infinite armies of baddies have good motivation.

[@mastermysterious3086]

Tbh I don't really like all the attack on the dignity of the titans and the concept of order in the game. I mean yea a titan peon tried to kill us in Ulduar but they helped us in our fight against Argus and even made sure to bring us back to life after he killed us all. And after the fight they actually sacrificed themselves in order of keeping us and the world safe from Sargeras. I know we need more bosses to fight but in a cosmos where the void still exist I don't really see a reason to fight order which was pretty nice to us until DF lore came.

[@joyzmaa]

coming back home o7

[@FranciscoFlores-yd4dv]

one never been this early to an upload

[@DEEP-WEB]

Is the earth mother really Azeroth tho?

[@fatiguejras]

I see that Bel is hanging on scraps. Its really sad to see how talentless this current lore team is.

[@cognozzle]

I think we're going to learn Sargeras was never part of the Pantheon of Order. That he was the sole member of the Pantheon of Disorder.

[@attilavarga548]

What if the last titan isn't Azeroth!They say we must rebuild...not we must defend...perhaps they are siphoning her energy to creat something..Maybe Azeroth is way stronger than the titan so her power creat the body FOR the final titan.. After that the only thing is needed just a soul infused with order..

[@GustavssonR]

Is it ever stated what Sarg wanted to do with Azeroth? He destroyed void corrupted planets but Azeroth with all her power? Did he want to destroy her? Protect her from the..void? The titan pantheon?

[@ahealthkit2745]

His motivations have shifted over the years. Originally he just wanted the Well of Eternity because it was a big magical beacon. But with the added content in Legion, I'd say his motivations are probably to stop the planet from becoming a void titan. I don't think that's really the plot now, though. I mean, the repercussions of him stabbing the planet was an outflowing of Azerite, which is pretty heavily implied to be the blood of the planet. I assume he intended to fatally wound her, but we managed to stifle her bleeding in BFA. I assume he probably has the same M.O. now, but maybe we'll find out that he did it to stop the titans from controlling Azeroth somehow.

[@NoConsequenc3]

He destroyed Argus which had literally nothing to do with the Void

[@ahealthkit2745]

@@NoConsequenc3 He was using Argus to imprison the titans. The Antorus raid has a lot of environmental storytelling that tells you this, but you find Aggramar after being corrupted ala Sargeras in the raid, we also run into Freya, and we also fight the corrupt worldsoul of Argus as the final boss of that raid. Not to mention, the imprisoned titans are 'freed' at the end of the raid, which is why Sargeras gets a reversal done on him and why he's imprisoned now.

[@ahealthkit2745]

@@NoConsequenc3 Also, Argus is/was the staging ground for the entire Legion. It was the 'key' to his infinite empire of FUCK THE VOID. (Although TBH, I'm still not even sure that IS his motivation, it's just what has been given to us over the years that I'm sure Blizz will eventually decide to change)

[@nataschajordan6053]

i think azeroth will turn out to be a mixture of ALL cosmic forces. which will then be corrupted by flesh. it will be our titan/mother, azeroth will spawn more of the flesh cursed cosmic force merged powerful beeings. us.

[@n.m.h9679]

Void Lords don't make plans. They use the Spaghetti Noodle method. They throw a whole bunch of old god seeds out into the universe and wait to see which ones stick. Blizzard had a chance to write an original villain in Shadowlands. Instead what we got is a pasty version of Right Said Fred. Life, Death and Order. The perfect trinity. Any other combo leads to a hellscape.

[@kamutef6687]

imagine metzen being at home late night and putting the story bits into chatgpt to create a cohesive story

[@tommenno]

Still a better love story then Slyvanas/nathanos.

[@lohcantfail]

Murloc timeline was clearly the best one.

[@MegaFckup]

is a titan like old god but from light instead of void?

[@greyves_]

the naaru are more akin to the light version of old gods. titans are aligned with order and the arcane, which is directly opposed to disorder and fel, ie the burning legion.

[@HiddenEnt]

Is it me or is the audio scuffed?

[@paulallen9150]

Ulduar was such a chore.

[@TwoKrows]

Azeroth is the death star. There. Secret is out!

[@markday092009]

So we kill the titans in the final raid of the world soul saga ? Azeroth is then the last titan.

[@Rennyblue]

It will not make sense even if you know this

[@enjoy796]

with all due respect but the main problem with wow is not the lore, we blame our frustration and boredom on the lore.....in reality it's the gameplay that has changed, the epic music, the exploration of azeroth, finally dropping an item after a lot of effort... currently I see a very simplified children's game, people find this boring and don't play anymore. But then he sees season of discovery as the real novelty, the true soul of wow, modified with simple additions but still wow remains, and then everyone starts playing SOD.

[@Autumn_Carolina]

Azeroth Is the Creator Force.

[@adam-11herbs]

I think the laymen will understand saving the planet

[@Sparrow_of_Attrition]

Is it just me or are the titans code for Developers?

[@shelbyrose4535]

Why do names of the videos appear different in notifications than what they're actually called? Says this one is called "The True History of Azeroth in 25 min" For clicks?

[@aster4jaden]

To be fair, even if you do know this lore it doesn't really matter due to all the Retcons.

[@deenman23]

what retcon?is that a word you use for things you dislike?

[@omarcomming722]

@@deenman23 life half the game has been retconned at this point calm down

[@aster4jaden]

@@deenman23 The fact that you don't know about the Retcons means you aren't a Player or Fan of World of Warcraft.

[@deenman23]

@@omarcomming722 si it would be easy for you to point out a few ?

[@omarcomming722]

@@deenman23 Almost everything around Shadowlands, the dreadlords being created by and in service of Denathrius rather than Sargeras and the Legion, the Jailer's existence and his deep involvement into so many parts of the previous lore and how it weakened established characters such Kel'Thuzad, Ner'zul and Arthas and their motivations and agency. Draenei backstory back in TBC that was retconned by mistske, Sylvanas supposedly serving the Jailer since the end of Wotlk, etc etc. Many fall under the "recontextualization" category which is the same shit but with more wiggle room for deniability. They were cramming new lore into old lore drastically changing its meaning and the character's motivations and personalities.

[@LPhooligan]

so the world is doomed no matter what, cause even if Azeroth awakens good the planet will be destroyed

[@reecegarysmith7613]

titans being the bad guys would just ruin wow lore thats not gonna happen also we would not be able to defeat the titans if that was the case

[@vilwyn273]

I'm excited for Jailer 2.0 when we find out we were wrong on everything and there's a mega brain evil guy behind everything

[@deenman23]

this story just became stupid,a game dev forgot who,once said.... ''keep it simple stupid''...well...to be fair the blizzard guys played their hand fairly early on with warcraft 3,so its not like we didnt see the signs early on of where it was potentialy going

[@Foster_The_Wild]

Azeroth is Dr Who

[@andrewg9978]

Or hear me out ... The last titan is Elune ... Ok ill leave

[@taylemgames2652]

Notice how all the real big baddies are male and all the big goodies are female. :P

[@hadenjohnson5695]

Fackin good vid.

[@Mooruck]

God damnit, please pronounce Cairne correctly. I cringe everytime I hear it wrong for one of the best characters with an unjust treatment.

[@wotnot4646]

I fell asleep, can someone give me the TL;DR please?

[@omarcomming722]

Lore is shit and has been shit since TBC with minor exceptions, but it became aggressively shit after Legion and after they made the cosmic chart. That's about as brief of a TL;DR as I can muster.

[@maurinux1985]

actually that is the point when warcraft lore stop having sense. Forcing azeroth to having a soul it does not make sense with canonical and official lore prior to legion.

[@BellularGaming]

There are fragments from before, and MoP is pretty clear foreshadowing.

[@flame3942]

He says DO NOT FORGET the way that a programmer would make a note in their code to not forget something to fix later. THEY KNEW what we were heading towards all along the only problem was how to get there in a meaningful way that would be fulfilling to players

[@shawn4387]

This really is some of the worst lore terrible villains in this new xpac glad I was able to get a refund

[@dwylie83]

It'll be nice to see Illidan as Supreme God being after eating what was left of the titans

[@namajeff4199]

I mean for shadowlands the narrative was dogshit, but the actual lore was far better. The hailer isn't even the jailer, the primus is the jailer and the jailer was his device to test out what would happen if they were to take azeroth. The jailer was being controlled with domination magic by the primus himself, even the leaked jailer concept art looks more like the primus and not zovaal, plus zovaal has domination runes all over his body, and in the cutscene where the primus talks to him towards the end during his flashback, zovaal is the one being chained and we don't see the primus, plus it feels like the moment he is dying, he is just continuing his speech that he started like million years ago during that cutscene since that's when the domination magic wore off from him and he returned to his actual self

[@shadowgamer4306]

This is Pyromancer’s theory, right?

[@namajeff4199]

@@shadowgamer4306 yes sir that's where I got it from And also last year it was convered on wowhead by one of the writers which is where I originally got into the theory

[@keithb6344]

@@namajeff4199pretty sure that came up before pyro came back. I think its a wowhead post from Shadowlands timeframe.

[@namajeff4199]

@@keithb6344 yes, that's what I referred to! I mentioned the wowhead post which is where I originally subscribed to the theory, and now not long ago pyro posted a video about it. Other people also covered it before

[@namajeff4199]

@@keithb6344 I'm not saying a certain person came up with this, I watch a lot of people so to me this is just a "community" theory

[@The86Ripper]

Yeahhh.....something tells me iam gonna be juuuust fine. Its wow lore afterall. Really not the most tight, concise or even hard to follow/get caught up on.

[@michalotto5444]

The WoW Retail lore is as complicated as the WoW Retail game. WoW Classic is just simpler in so many ways and that makes it better,