Ben 10 Ultimate Alien 2x7 “Ben 10,000 Returns" REACTION!!! OMG!!!

[@ChainsawReacts]

This was a lot to throw at me at once lol

[@Ben_10_inches]

What do you have against the movies being canon

[@ervinrollins5753]

Also remember profesor paradoxs words you will need them in the future episodes

[@gionova1]

The movie is canon, it just takes place in an alternate timeline.

[@Fizwrld999]

​@Ben_10_inches it is Canon just not to the prime timeline. just like how dif things happen in the games.

[@ΕυάγγελοςΦώσκολος]

I am glad that they explained that the Ben 10.000 from the original show might not be Ben's real future because until now I was worried that Kevin was going to become a villain permanently and would have to be sent into the Null Void.

[@albedo5455]

Fun fact, the Albedo timeline was actually a reference to the DS version of Vilgax Attacks where at the end of the level, Albedo turned into Alien-X and got stuck.

[@AnthoWebhead]

"Beware... The Creature From Beyond. So long !" Oh boy, if only we knew.

[@cxthednalien]

Spoiler Literally the title of the next ep lmao

[@paaritoshkarmakar2119]

6:22 you know that you are f'd up when Paradox realises that he made a mistake, which happens NEVER 😶😶‍🌫️

[@yudhazacharias9377]

Love this episode and reaction, man. So, some reveals here Eon is an evil version of Ben The live action movie Race Against Time happened in another timeline, and Ben saw that timeline through the Hands of Armageddon in this, but it was animated, so it was not easy to tell Ben and the others learn about the multiverse, Gwen 10 is one of them Everytime Ben meets a future version of himself, his future will diverge from it

[@cristiancannoletta4691]

Interfering with the future always leads to a change for the "after". But in this episode they say that what we saw in "Ben 10,000" was an alternate timeline, which ruins the story a bit because, for those who remember all the details of the episode, from the beginning viewers would think that now Ben 10,000 is a different one due to Ben and Gwen's interference in the future (they also brought Grandpa Max a cake from the future, which didn't happen in the OG future timeline and so that's why everything should be changed), but Paradox himself claims that that was another timeline, so it kinda ruins it.

[@yudhazacharias9377]

@@cristiancannoletta4691 it's an alternate timeline because* young Ben and Gwen arrived in it. It was* supposed to be their future, but not anymore

[@Fizwrld999]

its only an alternate timeline because when ben met his future self his future diverted. if the timeline played out like normal the first ben 10000 wouldve been what ben turned into ​@@cristiancannoletta4691

[@miguelbianchi968]

It has never been said anywhere that Ben's future changes when he meets himself in the future, in fact, this canonically makes no sense, since Ultimate Ben remembers everything that happened in the past and in "Let's Do the Time War Again" , Ben literally knows himself from minutes in the past and the future doesn't change. Furthermore, Paradox and Azmuth state that Ben has a great future at the beginning of UA, which indicates that they know what will happen in the future and that the future will not change. Personally, I like to think that Ultimate Ben is the future of Ben Prime, and that Ben 10k from OV is the future of Ultimate Ben.

[@yudhazacharias9377]

@@miguelbianchi968 Spoiler Ben said to Ultimate Ben "You're my real future", that's the implication that the classic Ben 10k is no longer his future, it is now* considered a paralel world. Think about it, young Ben now knows how much of a jerk classic Ben 10k was, so with that knowledge, he won't become that version anymore. Ultimate Ben did* remember everything in the past, but he did not get the new Omnitrix, hence, never met Skurd. And OV Ben 10k did* know Skurd, so he's a different Ben. In Let's Do the Time War Again, yes, Ben meets a future version of himself, meaning he will never become OV Ben 10k, but that does not mean they can still visit each other, branching timelines, duh

[@cristiancannoletta4691]

A long time ago I was always very confused about Eon, because in the movie he said he was an alien from a race called the Chronian, but then in this episode he reveals he's an alternate Ben Tennyson, so I was like "What the...". But then I realized that in Eon's timeline the Chronians are an alternate version of humans who have natural powers. Also, I love this episode's references to Race Against Time and the Ben 10.000 episode.

[@ben10theorist]

About Ben 10,000; a lot of people I've seen in the Ben 10 community seems to be confused about this. The Ben 10,000 that Ben and Gwen met in the original series was NOT an alternate unrelated universe. The future they went to was not some random universe. It was the original future of the timeline. Everything happened exactly the same way in that universe up until the moment future Gwen brought Ben and Gwen to the future. The timeline changed from there on because of future Gwen's spell. So the moment future Gwen opened the portal to the timeline changed and this is the future Ben now. That's why the original Ben 10,000 or Gwendolyn didn't remember going to the future when they were kids, because they didn't. But original Ben 10,000 does give Ben a cake for granpa Max's birthday. He literally says the cake is "something I should've gotten grandpa 20 years ago" So he was there that day, at Max's birthday, everything happened the same except for them travelling into the future. So Ben was probably careless and he forgot to get a cake as we saw in the beginning of that episode. But the timeline changed after that. The original future is still intact as we saw from the Ken 10 episode, but it as a different future to the timeline we see onwards the original series Ben 10k episode. And in this episode them saying this Ultimate Ben 10,000 is now Ben's true future doesn't make any sense because since they met, the future must've changed again. By the way this comment has no spoilers. These are the exact same thoughts I had when I first saw this episode 12 years ago.

[@JunTekuTheEngima]

Well paradox did say it was cross time, when 2 parallel timelines meet at 1 point in time. I always just figured Ben 10,000 was from an alternate future in which he didn't break the recalibrated omnitrix instead just swapped the Omnitrix core with the albedo modification ultimatrix core.

[@MrMisterman1]

The future is constantly changing

[@Fizwrld999]

​@MrMisterman1 yeah lots of timeline bridging. I'm pretty sure everytime ben meets his future self the timeline branches off and he becomes a different adult ben due to what he's learned from his older selves

[@Fizwrld999]

but they can still visit the other timelines so atleast when the timelime changes the futures don't get erased they just branch off

[@ben10theorist]

​@@Fizwrld999Yeah but then he'd have to travel cross time.

[@SirSadness]

UA can be rough, but it does have its gems. Oh, also: "Beware old George! Beware the creature from beyond!"

[@VddMordecai456]

Fun fact, Ben 10.000 from the original Ben 10 was ACTUALLY his future, BUT, in that timeline, he nevar went to the future and met himself, so he became arrogant and stop using his human form, but, when Gwen from the future brought both Ben and Gwen to fix that Ben 10.000 they changed his future, and now THIS Ben 10.000 is his actual future… for now 🙃

[@toyohimeyeswatatsuki6917]

I wouldn't say Arrogant but i would say holding so much responsibility, he never got to enjoy his time with anybody or even be himself

[@VddMordecai456]

@@toyohimeyeswatatsuki6917 yeah u can say that too, but a little bit arrogant too

[@Akari-br7ci]

This is random, but something I've been wondering about for years, if this Ben 10,000 can use his alien's powers without transforming, then can't he use Alien X's powers without having to convince Serena and Belicus?

[@DanielGreenberg-ly4qg]

I don’t think that the condition to use Alien X change. This version of Ben 10k just wouldn’t transform into the actual form of the alien.

[@mrbig4571]

Somehow I just realized that two episodes in a row were based on the movies. I like that they found a way to make them both canon

[@KaptanDest]

4:47 this is a reference to a ben 10 game which means games are canon in the big picture of ben 10 .

[@azrael_pendragon]

I like how back to back we had references to both the live action movies. 2nd movie being completely integrate. RAT being not cannon to our universe, but cannon to the multiverse aswell as the Gwen 10 and Alien X Albedo from a video game but im no sure, afterall they're just small references.

[@cxthednalien]

The alien X albedo is indeed a reference to the ds version of Vilgax Attacks Also spoil for gwen 10 and OV The line at the start of the what if gwen 10 episode is the same line paradox says in ov

[@azrael_pendragon]

@@cxthednalien wasn't there a Gwen 10 episode in OG classic series?

[@cxthednalien]

@@azrael_pendragon thats what im referring to

[@vykuntapufangtxpreet9546]

*RACE* *AGAINST* *TIME* Is Canon But Alternate Universe & Is A Good Movie.

[@gorge1365]

Race Against Time is Canon but inside the Ben 10 Multiverse as an Alternative Universe like the Gwen 10 one and etc, etc, etc...., you will discover alot when you keep watching Ben 10, it's Multiverse is actually confirmed Infinite by the creators though.

[@rafaelbalhes]

"so, race against time its not canon... Its another universe..." YES, you got that right When gwen uses the spell on the Hands, she shows the race against time timeline

[@ikeking6797]

I am kinda surprised you had no worries about Paradox’s warning

[@ben10theorist]

6:36 I remember believing Ben died there too when I first watched it. It was so intense. And right after that it went to an ad break, I remember freaking out during the ad break.

[@PHEONIX_720]

Happy you loved this episode. One of the highlights when i was growing up watching it.

[@hirotwo2018]

Fun fact: the 2 Ben 10 live actions movies "race against time" isn't canon but "alien swarm" is canon and this episode is where Ben meets Eon for the first time ever canonically.

[@hyperslash2144]

One of the best episodes of ultimate alien period

[@paramount3603]

Let’s see how this goes

[@ΕυάγγελοςΦώσκολος]

So the future Ben from the first show might not be Ben's real future. That is a relief because until this point I thought that Kevin would turn back into a villain permanently and would have to be sent into the Null Void.

[@ben10theorist]

I remember thinking about that back when Alien Force had just started. I was like "so kevins gonna turn evil again after all that?" Glad that wasn't the case though

[@Andrew-Bastin]

Ehh, time travel is complicated and a lot can happen in 20+ years, it’s best to not overthink it and just go with the flow.

[@ben10theorist]

@@Andrew-Bastin No Andew. No.

[@Andrew-Bastin]

@@ben10theorist yes, the writers just make things up as they go, there are no consistent or properly established rules for how time travel and future timelines work in this.

[@sandeepmahal-kp5em]

He can become any alien he's ever been so that means Chainsaw Grey Matter , XLR8 , Upgrade , Stinkfly , Ghostfreak , Wildvine , Spitter , Buzzshock , Arctiguana , Benwolf , Benmummy , Benviktor , Ditto and Eye Guy are back in the Ultimatrix and get ready to see new aliens in the future. What Paradox was saying to you beware Old George Beware The Creature From Beyond because it's Villain arc time.

[@BeastForce141]

Ben 10,000 gave Prime Ben new aliens in the future. Eon is threaten despite the retcon.

[@justyuriforever]

You'd really need Patreon for the uncut versions of these reactions, cause they're pretty interesting ^^

[@ChainsawReacts]

My patreon died years ago. I don’t have the time anymore to do it sadly.

[@Tvfriendss]

Eon is just the Ben 10 version of Savitar from Flash

[@tife_lj]

best analogy ngl 😭

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

Perfect way to describe it.

[@ben10theorist]

I remember watching Flash season 3 when it first came out and thinking they ripped off ben 10 plot lol

[@youpedia4614]

This is so accurate lol. But I don't think they copied it. The flash story has been there ever since before ben 10. So if anyone copies I think it would be ben 10 but I don't think they did at all cause the flash wasn't mainstream at the time ben 10 was released

[@Im_somebody_you_wont_remember]

2:23 you will definitely heard about it, but just a little spoiler: Clokwork is one of the strongest aliens (top 10 or 5), and you will find out why, he is SO OP.

[@attackonwaybig]

That future was never going to happen anyways, because if you remember Ben10k never gave the birthday cake to max but our Ben did.

[@kR-qj7rw]

the original timeline is classic ben from start to when he oes to the future each and everytime theres future travels of either paradox or ben 10 000 its been changing ever since, race against time, the other movies, and some ettc that will be revealed later

[@ben10theorist]

​@@miguelbianchi968Please stop spamming this under every comment that talks about this.

[@ComicIssue97]

I do like the detail that seeing your future will change your future. In the original series, Ben sees his future and now there's a new Ben 10,000. And because he's seen his future again, it will change again.

[@dwcallum]

No the original series when he went to the future that changed it and it became the future we see in Ken 10 (and the one in Ken 10) probably didn’t break the ominitrix originally

[@ben10theorist]

​@@dwcallumWhat you're saying doesn't conflict with what he is saying.

[@dwcallum]

@@ben10theorist it does because he’s saying this ben 10000 exists because original Ben saw his future but it’s not that’s the one seen in Ken 10

[@ComicIssue97]

We all know the continuity is a little spotty between shows. Not gonna name names omniverse.

[@ComicIssue97]

Though I did forget about Ken 10 briefly.

[@OshawottLuke]

Spoilers ahead 6:44 This is gonna be so funny in 4 months

[@overknightacention39]

Let be known, BEN CAN DO MAGIC! 7:50

[@gabecajamarca]

I knew the movies would be connected this season but I don’t remember it being so close to each other. Even tho those movies were meh it’s good u watched them

[@MrMisterman1]

Awesome that Ben got back all his old aliens in this episode

[@Slackernt]

I love that Ben 10,000 has just been spamming XLR8 this episode considering we haven't seen Ben use him since OS.

[@andydurand8559]

Yes the Return of Ben 10k I’m glad we get different versions of him he’s such an amazing concept. Love his personality and even tho I like the transformations more his power as Ultimate Ben is cool. They also did way better with Eons design and character tho I don’t completely love that Eon is just an evil alternate Ben his origin in the OG movie was a little more interesting.. This Ben 10k is from the timeline where Ben has the Ultimatrix while the first one was from one where he didn’t destroy the Omnitrix to beat Vilgax

[@ben10theorist]

OG Ben 10k looks like he never took the Omnitrix off

[@ghostspider2056]

In the first film, Eon’s minions were said to be warriors he enslaved throughout time, but not alternate Bens like here.

[@cyberdude4330]

Ben ain't that bad of a warrior though

[@ben10theorist]

I mean... Warriors throught time just might mean Bens from other timelines. This is a retcon after all.

[@ghostspider2056]

@@ben10theorist But then why go after the main movie Ben to turn the boy into himself and to free his people when he’s already captured and enslaved several? It makes more sense if they weren’t alternate Bens.

[@ben10theorist]

​@@ghostspider2056Yeah. I guess you're right.

[@Caekitsune_95]

Okay Professor Paradox is LITERALLY a mixture of Doctor Who and The Watcher!!!

[@dbzfan6900]

This is one of two stand-alone episodes this season that in my opinion could have been a whole mini arc

[@nathanielwoods664]

Best episode of the season so far 🔥

[@ghostspider2056]

Albedo getting trapped as Alien X actually happened in the DS version of the game Vilgax Attacks. So all games not canon to the prime universe is a canon alternate timeline.

[@arafatal-amin3240]

I was waiting for this one eagerly

[@ervinrollins5753]

I was waiting for this episode

[@knightfallprotocol]

2:12 and THAT is why i do not like this version Ben 10,000. A ben 10 that doesnt transform is like a wolverine that doesn't use his claws, or a Hulk that doesnt smash. Its like, why do you even exist?

[@10yearsspinning]

I've been waiting to see you react to a good episode again for awhile.

[@OmniversoNerd]

Everytime Paradox appears we know the episode will be good, haha.

[@OmniversoNerd]

Amazing reaction of an amazing episode! I haven't commented in a while, but I follow all reactions, haha. But now that Ultimate Ben unlocked the old aliens, which ones would you like to see Ben turning into again?

[@kiritoswords6479]

I actually like Race Against Time and think it's better than Alien Swarm.

[@ChainsawReacts]

I’ve heard this from others. Definitely interesting to hear different peoples perspectives on them

[@ben10theorist]

I think I like it more too but its because of nostalgia. I grew up with Race Against Time. It used to be my favorite movie ever. I now recognize its flaws but I still like watching it.

[@leonardolonghi3472]

I definitely prefer RAT over AS I can't see how AS is any better, and considering it had 8x RAT's budget, that just makes it even worse

[@twilightwillowglade7214]

I forgot about this episode!! It's a pretty good episode in my opinion. I find it really cool that he learns some magic from Gwen, which has inspired a few fanfiction ideas I wanna write...

[@ultrachristian28]

Basically Ben's future changes every time he mets Ben 10K (Every series wants to have their own version of 10k so is a funny way to do it) Just noticed that ultimate ben doesn't even have the ultimatrix but the recalibrated one. So he's probably from the timeline where Ben didn't need to destroy it to beat vilgax in alien forces And im kinda glad 'cause i don't personally like this Ben 10k, having the powers but not transforming is boring and doesn't even make sence with all the aliens who doesn't have elemental or basic type like powers (just imagine him using goop lmao)

[@ben10theorist]

No, that is the Ultimatrix, it just looks different either because they redesigned it in universe or they made a new one. This Ben 10k is the same Ben that blew up the Omnitrix at the end of Alien Force. His history with our Ben is the same up until the point of this episode. Also spoilers . . . . . I would refrain from saying things like every series wants to have their own version of Ben 10k. This isn't a spoiler but it kinda hints at OV having a Ben 10k as well. Just saying though.

[@thegoblin4948]

This episode is complete madness

[@anthonyramos9232]

This episode does A LOT, hints for the future some loose end questions answered. Love seeing Paradox again Each time Ben meets a Future variant of himself his future changes. The Ben 10,000 we see is mainly referred to as Ultimate Ben - he can utilize the all the powers of the Ultimatrix but doesn't have to physically transform into his aliens & can use limited magic. Unlike Alien Swarm, Race Against Time is retconned into an Alternate Universe. Eon is regarded as an Alternate Ben Tennyson.

[@Andrew-Bastin]

That is just a head-canon that is contradicted by the show, there’s multiple examples of Ben meeting his future-self and nothing changes. The reality of it is that Ben future changes whenever the writers want to change it.

[@anthonyramos9232]

How is it only head-canon? The 1st Ben 10,000 had the same Omnitrix Ben had at 10 but he never sacrificed it to stop Vilgax. Ultimate Ben uses the Ultimatrix not the Omnitrix, despite it looking like the Recalibrated Omnitrix. Plus show regularly contradicts & retcons itself due to whoever writing at the time

[@Andrew-Bastin]

@@anthonyramos9232 it’s head-canon because it isn’t supported by any official source and the show itself actively contradicts it by showing Ben interact with his future-self on multiple occasions with no changes occurring. This whole idea came from the fans, not the show nor the writers. So yes, this is entirely head-canon.

[@anthonyramos9232]

@@Andrew-Bastin at the end of the day it doesn't really matter, even official sources & the show contradicts itself. More eyes are on the show & thats a good thing

[@Andrew-Bastin]

@@anthonyramos9232 fair enough but I think people really should make it clear whether or not something is a fan-theory or a canonical fact, especially when commenting on a first time reaction.

[@randomguywhohasnothing]

Albedo turning into Alien X and staying motionless for nearly a year is a reference to the DS port of Vilgax Attacks

[@megacrashthehedgehog5377]

Ok, to explain a few things: 1. The episode confirms that every time Ben meets his future self, his future changes (more or less). I don't like the character of "Ultimate Ben" personally. I think he's boring, and that his powers are lame, but that's just me. 2. This also confirms that Race Against Time was indeed in alternate universe, and now Eon has joined the prime timeline. It technically retcons Race Against Time. In that movie, Eon wasn't literally an alternate Ben, his DNA had just sort of been transferred into Ben. Here, he straight up is an alternate evil of Ben Tennyson. They probably did that to make things simpler. 3. Our first look at Clockwork. Can't say more about him, just remember him for the future. And Paradox's final line in the episode too. That's really gonna be important.

[@renanchristian02]

You forgot to talk about Paradox's warning at the end, you need to remember what he said

[@JaeAnomaly2]

It’ll all make sense.. 1 thing I didn’t remember was that clockwork was in this episode

[@cyberdude4330]

Ben didn't meet a wrong Ben 10K last time, it's just that meeting him caused his future to diverge

[@azrael_pendragon]

This couldve been a whole mini arc 😢 But hey, still a pretty good episode despite how it ended in a anti climactic way

[@medafan53]

'Cause back in the day I watched it in the airing order I hadn't noticed until last week what you noted, that the tie ins for both live action films are one after the other.

[@KaptanDest]

Everytime ben meets with his future self his future changes , (unless paradox does some shit like how it happened with 10 year old ben in the forge of creation episode) so thats why his future self isnt the same with the classic and its happened and changed now again cuz he now knows how he will be in the future .

[@miguelbianchi968]

It has never been said anywhere that Ben's future changes when he meets himself in the future, in fact, this canonically makes no sense, since Ultimate Ben remembers everything that happened in the past and in (read the Omniverse Spoiler at the end). Furthermore, Paradox and Azmuth state that Ben has a great future at the beginning of UA, which indicates that they know what will happen in the future and that the future will not change. Personally, I like to think that Ultimate Ben is the future of Ben Prime, and that Ben 10k from OV is the future of Ultimate Ben. "Let's Do the Time War Again" , Ben literally knows himself from minutes in the past and the future doesn't change.

[@ben10theorist]

​@@miguelbianchi968Please refreain from using any references to episodes further UA. Chainsaw hasn't yet seen OV. If you're gonna talk about it, put a spoiler warning at the beginning of your comment.

[@puckrinproductions8066]

That episode is fantastic. I much prefer this version of Ben 10,000 than the grump we got in the classic series

[@TheRegibump]

Spoilers… Rest in piece Ultimate Swampfire, I know he'll appear with the others in a later episode but this is the final time Ben uses him in the show.

[@azrael_pendragon]

Damn, should've just killed him off then

[@RayoMcQueen95990]

damn, he really took a lot of Ls

[@wolfhunterplays3954]

I love this freaking episode!!!

[@ghostspider2056]

The first film is still canon in a multiverse sense, no different from Ben’s first future that is also an alternate timeline.

[@Hyp333R]

The Ben 10 movie with eon wasnt different universe, well not technically. As a writer said, its ''Deleted timeline''.

[@waynesvlogs3640]

Is it a spoiler to tell you to remember the Paradox Quote “Beware the creature from beyond” Cause it is kind of important for the next arch of the show

[@ben10theorist]

No but it kinda gets spoilery when half of the comments on the video are that.

[@sighberspook2021]

Finally, I have been waiting for this since you watched race against time, I know you didn't like it and I don't blame you but IMO, this makes that movie all worth it, like you said, it doesn't make the movie good but it makes the movie worth watching

[@ben10theorist]

I agree.

[@alessandroreyes3827]

R.i.p. ultimate swampfire.

[@leonardolonghi3472]

one of the top tier examples of spoilerous titles in the franchise. if you read that before watching, it takes away the shock of the first scene

[@ben10theorist]

Yep

[@JoshTheBoss007]

I mean they already tied alien swarm in with Ben’s car so you’re absolutely right they didn’t need to do that episode

[@ericrosario5028]

When they’re looking into the Hands of Armageddon and saw a younger version of himself Gwen and grandpa that was the Race Against Time Ben if you weren’t already aware

[@rommelgonzalez2730]

"Beware The Creature Beyond." Keep That In Mind. (Again)

[@paaritoshkarmakar2119]

The previous Ben 10000 was the original one until he gave young Ben the cake box for Max and changed the timeline

[@miguelbianchi968]

Paradox said that that was cross-time, it was never the real future

[@paaritoshkarmakar2119]

@@miguelbianchi968 but this is also a nice theory. How did it become a new timeline?

[@miguelbianchi968]

@@paaritoshkarmakar2119 Ben 10k from OS never went to the future with 10 years for example

[@ben10theorist]

​@@miguelbianchi968But that't the entire point. By going to that future the timeline changed/diverged.

[@miguelbianchi968]

@@ben10theorist Time travel never created different timelines in Ben 10. Changing the past changes the future, OS Ben 10k was always an alternate timeline according to Paradox and Dwayne Mcduffie, and in the episodes Merry Christimas, Paradox, Time Heals, Secret of Dos Santos, etc; when the past was altered, the present was also altered, but this did not create an alternative timeline, after all, new versions of those who traveled through time in this altered history were not created. Alternative timelines arise naturally, and not because of time travel, like No Watch Ben Timeline and Gwen 10 Timeline, which were not created due to time travel, but rather emerged naturally.

[@Howard0Chris]

I mean there are different realities/Universes

[@ghostspider2056]

This kind of proves Ben also has the spark from his alien grandma, he just never tapped into that potential.

[@sethgibson5148]

Not true. You don't have to have the spark to do magic. All the spark means is that you're an anodite.

[@ghostspider2056]

@@sethgibson5148 But he specified it was because his cousin being an Anodite he was able to learn it.

[@sethgibson5148]

@@ghostspider2056 yes, he learned how to do a spell. He had to say words to do what Gwen does non verbally. He doesn't have the spark because the creators wanted Gwen to have some that ben can't have.

[@dexterdiega8345]

Like I said before we watch the ben 10 race against time that Eon said ''you and I benjamin'',That means Eon is ben 10 that becomes evil,I think theirs a link between the movie and the series

[@JudgeTyBurns]

Always fun to see Paradox again.

[@Andrew-Bastin]

To clear up a bit of confusion, the Ben 10’000 from the original series was for all intents and purposes Ben’s future-self, that stuff about him being an alternate version was a retcon to “justify” Ultimate Alien’s take on a future Ben. And the be frank they shouldn’t have bothered, in practically every way UA’s Ben 10’000 is a complete downgrade from the original, the whole using powers without transforming might sound “interesting” on paper but in practice results in a much more boring character and undermines the entire premise of the franchise. In all honesty they should’ve just stuck with the original, at least that way the title of this episode wouldn’t have been a complete lie. Also I should probably mention this as it has been brought up in this comment section a lot but there is this popular fan-theory that whenever Ben meets his future-self his future his future changes, now this is a fun theory however it isn’t supported by any official source and is actually contradicted by the series, which wouldn’t normally be an issue but in this case there are many fans that treat this fan-theory as if it was canon and spread it around as if it was. In short if anyone brings up this theory remember it’s not canon.

[@GladtoberanDOM]

Finally! Been waiting for this so is eon gonna be rated higher?

[@superfan-gfu]

Finally a good not random episode since ben 10000 and eon both are future versions of ben so its make sense to mix between them and also explain why albedo never turn to alien x before since to hard for him to convicse selena and beliceus

[@Enderstorm20]

The Ben 10,000 was actually Ben's true future at some point but after Ben saw how much of a jerk he became when he was an adult, him vowing never to become like him led to that future becoming an alternate timeline. Now after meeting this Ben 10,000, he is also no longer Ben's true future as Ben 10,000 gave him aliens he was not supposed to have at that point just to annoy Azmuth.

[@ben10theorist]

Well, a bit of head-canon but yeah, makes sense.

[@ben10theorist]

Bro I love this episode so much. So many memories, I legit remember the exact day I watched this. Back then this was my favorite episode in the whole franchise. I loved the references to Race Against Time but hated that they made it another universe, because that movie was my favorite movie when it first came out. (I was just 7, I didn't realize how bad the movie was lol) I didn't know about the Alien Swarm episode back then. Idk maybe they didn't air it here or I just missed it. The day I watched this was the same day I found out Darth Vader was Anakin. I had my 2 best friends at our home, we watched this so intensely. Then somehow Star Wars came up and they talked about who Vader was. (unrelated but I just remember it) I remember Eon being my favorite villain ever in any franchise (Just above Vilgax). So it was crazy seeing him AND Ben 10,000 back. I also loved the reference to Gwen 10. I remember hating them never bringing it up again during the original series. Also this is one of the last 10-15 episodes I've watched before leaving the frachise back in 2012. So one of the last and best episodes that I remember. I loved your reaction to this episode. I had been expecting this one for a while and it was great.

[@mohammedtali8027]

Paradox mentioned that there was an alternative timeline where albedo was trapped as alien X for nearly a year. That actually happens in the Nintendo DS port of vilgax attacks. Fun fact’ making the video games take place in alternate universes respectively

[@dwcallum]

Chainsaw did you know the original Ben 10 000 and the Ken 10 one are also different versions

[@ben10theorist]

That was said in the episode

[@symbolofpeacetv1578]

Achually there in the same timeline and the ken 10 episode take place 12 years after Ben 10,000 sent his younger self back to the past and the reason why they both act different cos Ben 10,000 was humble by his past self and decided to change

[@spectraphantom1083]

Great reaction man, just to clear something up, while it is possible for Ben’s future to change as he time travels, it doesn’t necessarily work like everyone else is saying. It’s not like the avengers thing.

[@ben10theorist]

What do you mean by the avengers thing?

[@spectraphantom1083]

@@ben10theorist Going to the past and changing stuff creates an entirely separate timeline. It more so works like Young Justice or DC, no new timeline is created but rather the traveler becomes an outsider to time.

[@ben10theorist]

​​@@spectraphantom1083No, I won't go by your examples because I'm not very familiar with them but the timeline DOES change and a new timeline is created when someone travels in time.

[@TheRegibump]

Yet another retcon, though Eon's one is not as controversial as the ones in Alien Force for Gwen and Kevin (probably because RAT the most popular part of the franchise). I probably would care more due to it removing the interesting lore about Eon and turning him into a Ben counterpart, but that lore resides in a piece of media I don’t ever want to watch as an adult, nor do I care about Eon in this show. What I do like is the expansion on the Multiverse (which is what it is as of this show), indicating that all the what if episodes and side games/comics are canon somewhere within the Ben 10 universe. The direct example is them referencing Vilgax Attacks on the DS of all things, meaning they’re likely all canon (including the timeline where Ben's aliens become independent for racing).

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

It'sa fun thought.

[@angelo4726]

Race against time is canon, its a different universe **

[@gigatronusprime]

Love this episode

[@ernestosibbley3238]

Lol 😆now we got two movies they tie in even if it's not cannon but its nice to see older ben again but different.

[@SellavinAtoms]

If you are a fan of ben 10 to beginning, You will like this episode, Also, the fact that it foreshadows.What's coming next , Things won't be like they were before.And that's the exciting part!!

[@aquacron4548]

YEEEES the good stuff!!!

[@webtely]

Personally I thought last week's episode was good but I knew you weren't going to like it because of your bias against Alien Swarm thankfully it's not the case with this one. You are wrong, race against Time isn't non canon it's just out of continuity it's still canon to the Ben 10 multiverse, it's just an alternate timeline. I also disagree with your assessment that they made Eon more interesting. Ultimate Alien made Eon less interesting in my opinion in the movie Eon wasn't Ben he was part of an ancient race called Chronians, he just needed Ben's power to bring his race back to life but in Ultimate Alien he's not a Chronian anymore they got rid of all that interesting lore from race against time and just made into another evil Ben.

[@ben10theorist]

He said he was Ben in the movie though

[@madlaugher3300]

Race against time is still canon just not for Ben prime

[@darthdracul8372]

Maybe, but thanks to fanfiction I’m afraid this is going to be Canon one way or the other

[@Ed1s0n_K]

So original Ben 10 000 is the first Ben 10 ever and then Gwen changed the timeline bcuz the original Ben was a jerk Ben 10 saw that and change making the first Ben 10000 we saw a timeline of his own now (cuz in this episode he said no I’m not him but I remember the past of meeting him ) so this episode Ben 10000 is a timeline of his own cuz now Ben has killed E on which mean it won’t show on this ben future and I won’t spoil a thing but I hope it makes sense now

[@ben10theorist]

I'm confused on what you're trying to say

[@Ed1s0n_K]

@@ben10theorist that every Ben that we see is a different Ben 10000 and it all started with Gwen Tennyson

[@sham00ly75]

Yeah this was great.

[@chandleralves698]

Beware Old George 😠 Beware the creature from beyond 😠 So long 🎶😁

[@ghostspider2056]

I love that they brought Eon back, but they made some questionable retcons, like how did he went from Chronian alien to an alternate version of Ben, a human? There’s a gap between his story that’s left unresolved.

[@ben10theorist]

He said he was Ben in Race Against Time as well

[@ghostspider2056]

@@ben10theorist I mostly remember him saying “you are me” under the implication of Ben becoming a clone of him, but not that they were originally counterparts, at least not specified as such. There is a fan comic that suggests Eon has been hoping through alternate Ben bodies to keep his consciousness alive.

[@ben10theorist]

​@@ghostspider20565YL? I heard about that but I obviously don't take that as canon since its a fan media.

[@ghostspider2056]

@@ben10theorist Sure, so do I. It’s all just for the fun of it. If supposedly either Ben 10 or Danny Phantom returns in some fashion, neither will purposely stay align with the comic. The Eon part is at least a head canon fan theory that would make some sense.

[@ben10theorist]

@@ghostspider2056 Yeah, that kind of explanation would fix some issiues. I'd still prefer him being future Ben though.

[@TheNightTyrant]

Wait till he reaches Isiah episode bruh he's gonna lose his mind.

[@KaptanDest]

You are gonna like omniverse