Ben Cline Makes Bold Accusation, Says ATF's Director Is Creating 'An Unlawful Registry' Of Firearms

Rep. Ben Cline (R-VA) questioned Steven Dettelbach, the Director of ATF, at a House Judiciary Committee hearing last week.
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[@PonyBoy1776]

The only amendment with a cleary qouted "shall not infringe" is yet again being infringed upon

[@stufoo]

So he’s not a: firearms expert; Alcohol expert; Tobacco expert; Explosives expert; And now, not an IT expert.

[@hateforall4012]

Almost like he should be in the position he’s in. Weird

[@richb.4374]

A typical Biden appointee....as long as he says yes to anything the Gestapo wants he's in.

[@LRRPFco52]

Not a joke.

[@robertwillis4061]

He is a flunky, set up to take the fall if the ATF get in to serious trouble. He gets sacked and the real bosses carry on as usual, with a new flunky in his place

[@hateforall4012]

@@robertwillis4061 easy way around that… end the ATF

[@dracoseason3784]

its not an accusation. its fact. how else would they have an idea of who has rare breed triggers or bumpstocks

[@gungadinn]

Neither Rare Breed Triggers or bump stocks are serialized, so no direct records of sales exist at a point of sale location. Rumor has it that when the ATF raided Rare Breed, that the computers were seized and that they gleaned the sales records of people that directly purchased. Once the sales records of dealers, the sweep was widened to banks and card processors. Remember when under the Clinton Justice Department headed by Janet (Waco) Reno in violation of the law, retained the NICS checks beyond the laws 90 day allowable. She ordered the retention of these records knowing that by law they were to be destroyed.

[@Mitch_Conner75926]

@@gungadinn They don’t follow the law so why should anyone else 😂. Fuck it just do whatever you want.

[@Dr.Cosmar]

That's espionage as hell. Espionage on the American citizen without out permission or authority. For the patriot act, for CIA, I understand... for "who has what kind of weapon..." you better fuq off.. treading dangerous waters keeping a list like that as a government.

[@earlthepearl4161]

​​@@Mitch_Conner75926'm pretty sure that " doing what you want " within the context of " personal property " as long as such doesn't impact others doing what they want within the confines of their " personal property " and visa versa use to be defined as (also surprisingly the foundation of these United States ) "individual freedom".

[@alexwalker2582]

@@gungadinn Most likely they used shipping records. The shippers like Fedex and UPS will demand that all items going through their system be notorized for insurance purposes. If they rarely or never delete those records than the all the ATF has to do is ask the shippers to search their database for the names and addresses of the people who had those items shipped to them.

[@genelegate1308]

ATF is too focused on the law abiding as opposed to the lawless.

[@hxhdfjifzirstc894]

Even if they were headquartered in Chicago, they wouldn't accomplish a damn thing.

[@DB-kl6we]

It's a false sense of accomplishment. Guns purchased legally are easier to track as well as the buyers. Black market guns aren't. The ATF is lazy and incompetent. They are trying to prove they (the ATF) needed, thus they can keep their jobs.

[@drrocketman7794]

Always have been.

[@ai4px]

With the redefinition of a few words you can be the next criminal. So they are tracking future criminals.

[@drrocketman7794]

@@ai4px making future criminals. If they can criminalize disagreeing with them, then they can do whatever they want.

[@ricksmith7232]

We’ve all known for awhile now that the ATF has been making an unconstitutional registration, and registration always leads to confiscation. It’s astounding that they lie about it when caught red handed. We all need to call out their authoritarian overreach

[@danerichards7280]

Trust their going to get bullets shot at them

[@garypoborsky7073]

shall not be infringed

[@Shaddowbanned]

A man recently got put behind bars by the ATF for having a drawing of a part , only a drawing. Let that sink in

[@scottcarr3264]

Unless they had an ACTUAL part made for a firearm, then it is just a drawing, and the Judge will dismiss the case and Penalise the ATF for wasting the Court's Time.

[@hanuman3527]

@@scottcarr3264 he’s already been convicted. The America you wanted is unavailable for purchase at this time.

[@csutcliff]

It wasn’t simply a “drawing”…..but this conviction is still bullshit. They’re prosecuting people on “what someone might do…”

[@johnscreekmark]

ATF is forcing FFL’s out of business in order to create a gun registry.

[@OffensiveProduction1]

I believe they've already went over the program used. And the "search function" quite literally is only a box check in the settings to turn it on or off at will.

[@sprky777]

Pass legislation requiring all records be immediately destroyed once a purchase has been determined to be legal. Arrest criminals. Who cares what type or what serial number. Actually, arrests should be restricted to being done by local police, not ATF. ATF should not be allowed to carry guns.

[@1retiredknight]

There is already a federal law requiring destruction of those purchase records. The federal government is simply violating that law and getting away with it because the executive branch will not press charges against its own members who violate the law. Congress cannot force such arrests, but they can eliminate funding for executive branch agencies and they can impeach every president that allows the executive branch to abuse delegated presidential authority.

[@hanuman3527]

No replies? F yootoob censorship!

[@medicbabe2ID]

He keeps getting torn to ribbons. He's caught in a web of his own lies and just keeps plunging ahead. He's Cringe-o Pierre in male form 😏

[@trentp151]

He may not be a computer expert, but he is an grifting expert.

[@trentp151]

@Fred the 47th I never said it was about money. It is about removing our constitutional rights one bite at a time. How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.

[@savingferris8279]

Abolish the ATF.

[@randyiglesias1]

There should be no records kept by anyone. PERIOD

[@preplife533]

If I am made a felon by a bureau-rat, why not commit another felony when I am going to be arrested. As a law-abiding citizen charged with a felony my life is destroyed. My concern for the persons arbitrarily destroying me as a person has no more place in my heart. They have become a deadly enemy and I have a God given right to act in a manner to protect myself and my responsibility to my family. I pray to God there are honorable men who will refuse to act at their orders. I pray the judges and lawmakers will abolish these tyrants and if not is the right of THE PEOPLE to act.

[@hunteriii8253]

Steven Dettlebach isn’t a “computer expert” or a fireas expert. He is an expert of not answering questions, wasting time and causing headaches.

[@budderslap3210]

its not a "bold accusation" its a literal fact

[@BowlingGreenTampaMan]

Dettelbach should be charged , his actions and his testimony show direct violation of RIGHTS and LAW. Put this Criminal Bureaucracy OUT OF BUSINESS. ATF violates LAWS that would put a legal, law abiding, HONEST gun owners in prison. Why do they get special rights to circumvent the LAW ?

[@hummerzdca]

WOW, hearing the literal “tap dance” around questions is more than AMAZING! Wow, and I AM on that list for a long time now…WOW…

[@jeremykeithwilliams]

End the atf and the irs.

[@roaddemon20011]

The simple fact that the ATF is showing of The People's doorsteps about purchases is proof that they have a working list. And they are using it.

[@billy19461]

There was a photo of a woman who was an ATF agent photographing the local gun dealers records!

[@harriscl100]

Steven Dettelbach is a flat out liar when he says they are not collecting FFL records from in business dealers and stores. I know first hand that ATF goes to local firearm dealers and ask to see records and take pictures of the records. The current problem with ATF doing this is the names are not on the old forms (front page) and they are not allowed to peruse them. That is why the newest form has all purchaser information on the front page, to assist in capturing the data.

[@Dan-sc7us]

So what? If you're not a criminal then why do you care??

[@Infantry492]

​@@Dan-sc7us because it's illegal for them to set up a database. They aren't just infringing on the second amendment here, they're infringing on your right to privacy. This is no different from a HIPAA violation.

[@Dan-sc7us]

@@Infantry492 I don't see how it's infringing on gun rights at all! As far as privacy, there's very little of that left anyway!

[@Infantry492]

@@Dan-sc7us so you're ok with throwing your rights away instead of standing up for yourself and taking them back? Just because there's "very little privacy left" doesn't mean you should be ok with bureaucrats stripping away at it. That's the whole point. Stop letting unelected officials get away with crimes and violating the constitution

[@Dan-sc7us]

@@Infantry492 Okay, when you look at it that way I agree! But most people are upset because they see it as one step on the way to confiscation! And I think that's ridiculous! It's NRA propaganda!

[@koopsta69]

atf- "we have all the info of who has guns to help police " ....(ben)- so u have a registry? ....(atf)-"no we dont have that ability and its not a list " ...... (police) - "hey can you find out who bought this gun?" ... (atf) - "sure let me check my list" .... ok then LOL

[@darrenmatthiesen1424]

Can this A.T.F. Director answer a question truthfully instead of side stepping by mumbling jumbo answers, this person needs to be impeached immediately.

[@phr33k4z01D]

anecdotal evidence the backbone of injustice for all.

[@TheSpiritOtter]

It’s not just an accusation, it’s what they’re doing.

[@CVEIWKID]

Someone has to take the gun registry away from them

[@billmonroe8826]

Not a computer expert? Well, you aren't a gun expert by your own statement!

[@winstongoodman3244]

This isnt unique to this appointed ATF Director. He repeatly states that he is NOT an expert to anything his is asked about.

[@bannedmadmike4234]

He is! They had to delete $hitloads of illegal files

[@JasonBooth79]

I haven't heard him mention the word 'warrant' one time. "law enforcement", the people that will soon be forced to protect law abiding citizens from the ATF just asks and receives eh?

[@SueStrech-xi7xf]

Unlawful. Against the law. ARREST THEM GOSH

[@camouflagepeacock6414]

So they say they scrub the names, but they have ALL the other information? Serial numbers, make and caliber, dealer name, time and locations of sales. Would that also include the address of the buyers of said firearms? If it's unlawful to have the information while the business is still open, what makes it leagle when they close their business? You now have the locations of everyone that purchased a firearm! That's a registry is it not? Another unconstitutional 'rule' authorized by the ATFE.

[@kenbrohere]

Defund everything.

[@KeyloWick]

Not a computer expert. Not a firearm expert. Not a tobacco expert. Not an explosive expert.. Why does this guy even have a job??

[@jamesbridges7122]

They already have a secret registry

[@VictorTorres-cv2tt]

Records are supposed to be digitized!

[@loganroyster7146]

we must defend our rights

[@Dan-sc7us]

That's ALL you know!! Your "rights"!!

[@brightlord-ov7cm]

*Truthful statement, there fixed your headline. Edit : I sincerely hope the supreme court ends the atf.

[@takeamericaback1554]

I like to think that I do a job and that I'm an expert at it how is the lead director of the ATF not an expert on anything about his job how does even have a job

[@LRRPFco52]

Most directorships are awarded for political contributions and party loyalty, recommended by the behind-the-scenes leaders within the parties. There generally is a preference for people with relevant experience, but not always.

[@midlodan90]

Atf should be disbanded after their role in supplying the cartels with firearms

[@randallreese7118]

The ATF needs to be abolished they have violated there oath of office

[@RobinRobertsesq]

It's known that ATF illegally collect FFL records

[@preplife533]

Here is a servant trying to be KING

[@willpulera7303]

Fence off the funding for this out of control bureaucracy!!!

[@scottross3554]

What oversight ensures that ATFE is in compliance?

[@bouldernelsonbigfoot]

I Voted for Ben Kline and will in the Future

[@bigbubba4314]

The solution to the out of business forms is quite simple. Image the actual form, assign it a barcode, and record the serial number of the firearm. Thus, when a firearm is recovered from a crime, the serial number can be searched, and the actual form image can be seen. But there is no searchable info by firearm type or purchaser.

[@filioque4509]

I am curious how the ATF could track a pistol brace. It's a non-serialized, over-the-counter item that can be paid for with cash. In fact, I'm pretty a minor can buy it. I realize firearms that are compatible with a pistol brace can be tracked, but I don't see how they can be linked. Just curious.

[@auroraborealis2393]

Didn’t press Beetlejuice hard enough

[@FetamWoW]

He said "That data" That was never provided lmao. This dude lies while under oath.

[@Zobavajaina]

This atf figure probably wipes from the front

[@shanekelly3419]

Expert in treason

[@jerryshelton1481]

If it is on a computer it is searchable data

[@douglaslunsford7052]

He says they don't have the records of FFL dealers that are still in business. Meanwhile, there's videos of ATF agents taking pictures of the FFL's paperwork. If they don't have the records, why are agents taking pictures of them?

[@Keepnthem]

Love watching Lumpy Rutherford squirm.

[@spread4me75]

Atf absolutely has a searchable data base despite it being not legal

[@twelvepercentitalian2511]

All databases are searchable.

[@CVEIWKID]

So half of the law enforcement are breaking the law. Unacceptable

[@robertfederkiewicz1642]

Need to get rid of atf

[@DonaldTomlin]

Lying out his teeth. Why is he looking at a certain direction when he answers?

[@babayegajaeger7082]

How did he get appointed he knows NADA!.

[@ChiefCabioch]

The 2 A has no stipulation on the number of Arms a person can own...

[@danieladkins6836]

I would quit any job that required me to lie and look stupid doing so in private!!!!!!! I sure as hell would not lower myself to do in on camera would you???????

[@skilledtradesscotty4896]

So im on my 2rd jackery. My first one was a 1000 but sadly, it's capacity was under 60% after one full year. So i got the 3000 right when it came out, im on the third warranty claim already. :/ im not sponsored or anything, so it really sucks paying that price for a product that just don't work. My friend has a blueyeti, he's had it 3 years now and still pulls 90% on the capcity. Redit don't have much good reviews on the jackery either. Im glad yours been working out for you.. good luck on the new unit bro!

[@stephenmartini5890]

The ATF has nothing to do than to attack the very people who pay their salaries. They are against a safety part which makes shooting a pistol more safely operable...why? ATF should be abolished, they have nothing better to do than criminalize Americans for a vital safety part. Why not find a way to make cigarettes and alcohol less healthy? Make the brace legal and put a number on them starting at 1 and go from there. You're wasting all this time and money because of YOUR mistake. END IT!

[@zendean5207]

I think the expression on his face says, " Caught."

[@Paul_Lane]

I wonder who ATF man keep looking to on the right side of the panel when answering difficult questions or when he’s being snarky? It’s like he’s looking for validation from someone.

[@The_Kiosk]

This is *precisely* why the second amendment exists.

[@VictorTorres-cv2tt]

Exactly, what is this man actually qualified for! Seems to me he doesn’t know anything on what he’s talking about!

[@TedIntessimone]

so..He's not a computer expert,nor a gun expert?..why is he in a postion like he is?

[@JohnnyBGoode215]

This is the face of fascism.

[@stephenspencer2121]

I say don’t push them to hard we will have another Waco, remember they was going to be defunded back than and put a show on and got their budget. This man wasn’t in charge back than but it’s something I will never forget, like the sheriff said he went to McDonald’s every morning they could have gotten him there. I’m not sticking up for the man they arrested but those pictures of the kids with their back broken backwards from coughing bc of the gas they used was nothing else but animalistic. I pray nothing like that happens again.

[@joehall3459]

I like there logic. I should be able to own a select fire weapon because I promise I will not flip it to auto.

[@bushcraftjoe1]

Its a searchable gun registry

[@hartwalker70]

What about crime don’t care any weapon can use without rules!

[@2steaksandwiches665]

The man testifying either doesn’t know because he doesn’t understand technology, or is lying. Given the incompetency of people like him and positions like that, I don’t know which one it is

[@thatsharshman.8544]

How is he in this position if he is not an expert at anything?

[@Baurakale777]

If we totally got rid of the 4th and 5th amendments, it would be a lot easier to catch criminals as well.

[@zigbeegooblesnort125]

Comrade 🇨🇳 ATF chairman could care less what Congress. says or does or what the courts rule, because the ATF is a 2A Gestapo doing the biding of the democrats 🇨🇳.

[@joebeal4212]

Alcohol, tobacco and firearms should be a convenience store . Not a government agency .

[@MichaelPinkerton]

Something about the way this guys suit fits makes me think there is a small person with a big head controlling a robotic body.

[@CVEIWKID]

No gun registry is supposed to be zero gun registry

[@NicholasA231]

Serious question, what does "tracing" a firearm used in a crime do? Like, what is an example of a good outcome from a trace, explaining how it was critical to identifying and prosecuting a violent criminal. Do people leave guns at the scene of a crime or something and you could maybe track down a possible owner? Seems unlikely. What else? On TV they're always "tracing the gun". But I literally don't understand what that even means, how it would take place, and how it helps prosecute a bad guy? What difference does it make to a murderer - or murderee - what paperwork is attached to a firearm in the past? I mean, there's got to be something, but it's easier for me to come up with ways that it could get innocent people involved in an investigation than ways it helps fight crime. Any detectives out there can educate me?

[@terrysurface2501]

oh well 600 times OK sure good to go

[@RockOn-kh7kk]

Sure. Gov wont do anything funny with our information.

[@SueStrech-xi7xf]

They break the law and invent their own

[@dalelong8001]

Diddledorf doesn't know squat about what he is being queried. What a maroon.!

[@4htactical444]

I imagine that after these hearings, Dettelbach goes home, slams his toy badge down, grabs the whiskey, and cries about how bad he had it.

[@dannyo6699]

Dettelbach is not a computer expert. He's also not a gun expert nor an explosives expert. What qualifications' does he have for the position he holds????

[@marvinbrewer8637]

🤬😡😡🤬😡😡😡

[@bhight100]

It's not bold if it is true.

[@jasonriley9069]

So he admitted that they can and do search their records of gun owners, they just found a loop hole to go around what congress says about a registry.

[@claroschmidt9304]

The ATF should only be able to regulate things like military explosive devices and explosive device launchers. Other than that, they should essentially be a Records department. A depository of information that can be accessed ONLY for statistical and state/local law enforcement purposes. We're here NOW in this state of affairs because they've been able to be the depository of information, regulators of everything including a piece of plastic.

[@Stormclowe]

Not a "bold accusation" - it's a statement of fact. Why are you framing it as if it's false?

[@danielmullen7430]

They did it on purpose ,

[@TheCharleseye]

_Is there a list?_ Yes. _Is it illegal to have a list?_ Yes. That's really the whole deal. You compiled the data. You weren't supposed to. You're a criminal. Go to jail.

[@ttattx]

so, "I'm not a computer expert" or an expert with Alcohol, Tobacco, or Firearms, or explosives... so what expertise does this man possess?

[@13LesTadO13]

Its irrelevant why its being used or how. THE FACT STANDS THAT ITS ILLEGAL TO HAVE IT. PERIOD. Go read the 4th Amendment again. You know, that thing you swore an oath to uphold (The US Constitution), its in there.