Ben Johns vs Quang Duong at the Hyundai Masters

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[@jassontoledo8747]

Duong having his dad as his coach is his super power. Nobody wants you to succeed more than your dad. Both of them putting 100% on his pickleball career. This is awesome. Congrats to the avatar!

[@zodiactg]

Well done Quang Duong, spectacular match!

[@CarlosMedrano-xf3op]

"IRON DONG" Quang is the beginning of the new era in pickleball- only 17 years old and just wiped the floor with Ben. Many Of these kids are coming in late 2024 and 2025!!! Gonna be amazing when Ben can't even reach the quarters anymore.

[@victorhumphrey131]

Duong seems like a sweet kid. Very easy going and not having to say things to sound cool. He has a nice smile too.

[@CarlSegers]

The female announcer is so one-sided to Johns. Whatever matchup I see, she emphasizes Ben's play while downplaying the play of his opponents. If Johns puts away a pop-up she proclaims what a wonderful and beautiful shot that Ben and only Ben could have made. If he misses, she exclaims what a wonderful and beautiful shot it would have been if it had gone in. If the opponent makes a beautiful shot - it's how "Ben Johns almost got to that one and if he did it would have been beautiful and wonderful" Just ask him to marry you already! And it only gets worse if ALW is playing. It's like a drool fest. Maybe make your reverence a little less obvious?

[@justnguyen228]

I guess we watched 2 different videos because she seemed pretty fair to both players to me. Not to mention its the rank 1 vs 17, so theres going to be certain expectations from ben.

[@kat24wr]

Exciting match! Quand Duong seemed to have such accute focus as he hit every stroke and executed his shots with real skill. And, even better I want to say how impressed I am with Quand for his sportsmanship. At the end of the match, I noted that he took his hat off as he gave Ben five/paddle tapped... And during the post-match interview he was completely humble; giving credit to the wind, the circumstances, and Ben not playing his usual best. You can see that Quand's upbringing has taught him respect for those masters who have gone before. He gave digity to Ben after dethroning the king of PB. I admire this respectful attitude and humility. Very impressed! And I think Quand is going to go far! Intrigued to watch his future career blossom.

[@pokrstr7537]

Great match! I love the heavy top spin and the move away from simply punching the ball forward. This is also good for Johns as it will force him to elevate his game.

[@CarlosMedrano-xf3op]

"IRON DONG" Quang is the beginning of the new era in pickleball- only 17 years old and just wiped the floor with Ben. Many Of these kids are coming in late 2024 and 2025!

[@gambler213]

He will keep improving, but he was off in this game.

[@gambler213]

@@CarlosMedrano-xf3op LOL No one wiped the floor with Ben Johns. It went three sets.

[@sunsioux444]

@@gambler213👍

[@PTL4179]

Keep it up Duong! I’m very proud of you on and off the court. Win or lose be respect to the sport and each other.

[@TheJohnh24]

30:30 The ball was out! They need slow motion!

[@ibobpeb4]

Good job Quang! Way to go! Held your head up high and took that W! 🎉

[@nelsonhuie7382]

Nice young talent. Great for the game and future of Pickle. So happy Ben lost. He needs to be challenged to keep pushing. Sock and Duong style of play will help elevate the sport.

[@Starry737]

Wow congratulations to Quang Dong! Love Ben Johns but this is great!

[@wolf-xf6hf]

Looked like the wind and bounce in this game were super odd. Never seen so many missed serves and missed returns before

[@smilesrykee7067]

24:27 yeah point of contact rule is hard to enforce cuz some of the "best servers" basically jump anyway. Dropping from the waist is a good rule

[@yaberries]

is this like 12 fps? can we get more frames please

[@charlesmilbourn6861]

Congrats Quang. Great game from both players...

[@TheJohnh24]

34:40 ball was in! PPA has to do sth there...even after video still the wrong decision...

[@charlesmuller120]

I would think the PPA has enough money to place cameras right along lines instead of angled. Both of the calls at the end were impossible to see exactly where it landed based on the sun with shadow and angle of camera. Bush league to me!

[@ABCDEFG-xd3le]

THE NEW PICKLEBALL = GAME OF BANGING BANGING .

[@FreerunTMac]

It's singles. You want to avoid cat and mouse, and only drop it when you can't attack, and the opponent is at net. Watch doubles if you want to watch dink rallies for hours.

[@mengyang1481]

That’s how it should be play unless you’re 80 years old. When you dink to the net it becomes a 50/50 game, I preach attack unless you’re on the defensive and need to reset, this game is just mini tennis.

[@kh.6534]

Different strategy man. Depends on the player too. Not everyone can follow up & be consistent on their bangs.

[@a2casius]

Surprised Ben didn't do more research and checkout his action against the new rules before starting the tournament. No wonder, being called out on illegal serving action during a difficult match and then arguing about it is bound to have put him off his game and his head. "Fail to prepare, .... "

[@stevenwentzel4013]

Don’t know what the big deal is. Ben had a bad game and Quang had a good game.

[@1973superdad]

like line calls were both the wrong, bens looked out and Quang looked in.

[@mateobodon]

Hopefully they have some better cameras for line calls, almost impossible to tell with the TV angles and 30 fps. 60 fps should be standard :|

[@tthienntran11]

@@DinkMasterybut both those line calls benefited Ben…

[@larrybu2000]

I saw that too. Dươngs ball was clearly in.

[@joannaburns3128]

@@mateobodonWhat’s crazy is the amateur leagues in Arizona that broadcast Tuesday Night Pickleball on KZbin have amazing cameras and camera angles so it’s not impossible. Not sure why PPA can’t do better at production than an amateur league.

[@ooter37]

I agree the ppa needs to improve its cameras (and many other things), but I don’t think it’s fair to compare it to The Orchard for a few reasons. 1) The cameras aren’t nearly as good as you think. I’ve been to many games and watched many challenge replays. It’s always one or two angles that usually doesn’t give a clear shot. 2) The Orchard is one court (when used for league). Putting cameras on one court is easier than lots of courts. 3) It’s indoor, so it’s easy to mount cameras on the ceiling. 4) It doesn’t change back and forth from pickleball to tennis, so the cameras can be permanent. Also, FYI, TNP isn’t an amateur league. Everyone in it plays professionally.

[@bachdinh4404]

What's up with the low quality video with these matches. Do better pbtv!

[@felixquist3594]

Serve rule is ridiculous. These guys can hit and return every shot let them play. Sheez

[@DavidHust]

This rule is just more enforceable. Similar to what it was before though. It was beginning to get out of hand. Something had to change.

[@Geep615]

This upward motion of the arm rule is harder to judge than height of contact .

[@BlankStare-mt1ls]

Both players were hitting legal serves in the beginning and cost Ben Johns the first game. Ben Johns reverted back to his old serve which won him the second game. Once Ben Johns got called for illegal serve Quang tightened up his service motion. Love the change though as it gets rid of the random HIGH and LOW bounces to the left and right. Now you just play the random LOW bounces to the left and right. Just make it easier to officiate and do the drop serve as you get nearly the same type of ball on serves as the newly modified volley serves.

[@amorco]

Quang Duong baby yeah!!!!

[@dennyo612]

Okay Ben Johns. You were challenging the ref last year to call you on your serve and you weren’t being called. Now that you are being called, you are arguing. Which way do you want it???

[@robotbeararms]

did they record this with a phone or something? why is it so choppy

[@dlite6778]

Bang. Bang. Bang. I say ban carbon fiber. Roll back paddle technology. Make paddles smooth again with less bite. Force players to learn pickelball skill. Or soon the soft game will be obsolete because you can hit a hard and heavy topspin ball from your ankles while at the kitchen and still keep it in. Great win for Duong. He’s not doing anything wrong. But paddle technology is taking what’s-making-pickleball-different -from-tennis out of the equation.

[@netseraph08]

The ball was out. It was clearly a favor from referees.

[@HarryLivestream]

Quang is really fast kid! Great play indeed!

[@jkeiffer]

Doung's serve @24:56 isn't any different than the issue they called BJ for just prior. His arm is raising up before the drop and above the hip just like BJ. Why was he not called for the exact same issue? Then BJ does the same thing he already got called for @25:24 and no call. This rule is either too subjective or to difficult to call consistently.

[@chubun6631]

Duong's game has improved quite a bit from the last time they played each other 5 months ago. His dad/coach has done a really good job in flattening his forehand shot. By the way, I believe Duong will have an advantage in matches playing in difficult conditions. Watching this funny "match" and you may see why kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2PchpqgeZyqa9U . Basically, that's hustling for money where you learn to play under extreme pressure.

[@ictkeith3730]

What was the paddle debacle ?

[@bensartin8280]

Great job by the young gun taking out the best to do it. Any given day it can happen. That being said the new serve debate could be solved by one simple rule, just go to drop serve for everyone that's the best of all worlds. Easy fix in my opinion.

[@sunsioux444]

the drop serve should not be forced on everyone. I tell folks who are borderline , to do the drop, serve to avoid problems.

[@sunsioux444]

PS I don’t think PPA rules will ever force the drop. Serve on everyone.

[@smilesrykee7067]

What's Quang Duong's grip during serve called? Semi Western?

[@Onepiecefan1337]

Western

[@jonnygibaud7954]

Game continues to speed up.

[@derrick031072]

A lot of serves are short… Which opens up easy returns and drive…

[@dylanlee1259]

31:32 anyone notice multiple times when Duong will go for a drive on his forehand and his follow through won’t cross his body and instead lifts up over the same aside shoulder? I’ve never seen this before but obviously this technique came from tennis or something right?

[@fan0423]

Yes, in tennis this is called a buggy whip. It’s usually used when you are into the court and try to push the ball deep.

[@neil.m.m]

It's also called a "reverse forehand" when the forehand finishes on the same side instead of across. Connor Garnett does it a decent bit as well. It's especially useful when the ball is further away from you because you can swing up and away from your body for extra reach and it usually helps create a more extreme upwards stroke angle for more topspin. When doing it while reaching further away from you, you can even add some side spin to it, there's a few matches where Connor Garnett does a reverse forehand drive with side spin from the baseline far on the right side of the court and curves it ATP back into the court.

[@Reeseballin8]

Just go to the drop serve at this point. These serves are so unnatural

[@victorhumphrey131]

In the kitchen? That'd be actually kinda interesting. Lots of cat and mouse games.

[@user-ds2eq6yi6o]

No, they mean like drop the ball (from shoulder height or whatever), let it bounce, and then hit it over the net. Called the "drop serve" verse the traditional "volley serve" 👍🏻

[@kevinjohnson7288]

0:01 - Quang isn't sure if he's serving legally lol

[@bobbyknight9709]

Lmao

[@elcido9627]

His service aren’t clear under the hand wrist

[@user-ds2eq6yi6o]

Seemed to me that with the "special serve testing rules" for this tournament....45 degrees arm angle or whatever, that a lot of Ben's were illegal. His arm was nearly 90 degrees but idk 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@RealJamesBond007]

Duong's ball at 25:00 was in

[@kabnis2022]

Does Ben Johns have a new paddle ?

[@fredjames5899]

This is what is going to happen when tennis players start to play pickle ball

[@user-yv3ej8qw4t]

Duong serve illegal, if Ben played him 10 times, he would win 8.

[@TheJohnh24]

3:19 I saw it in!

[@pickleball_tomorrow]

The most dominate Golfer of all time. Tiger Woods. Here is a stat for the haters. Woods has won a record 22.8% (82 out of 359) of his professional starts on the PGA Tour.

[@Newchiii]

A lot more errors than I’d expect at this level. Some nice points too though.

[@bobbyknight9709]

Wind was brutal. Pickleball in the wind is awful

[@bleuShoErn]

Video buffering is bad.

[@Geep615]

Duong seems like a good bloke. I absolutely hate the serve rules they are experimenting with. They should just go back to what they had and actually enforce those instead

[@RealPickleballHighlights]

Anyone else see the glitching in the video? Seems the video is skipping frames

[@wc3415]

Former tennis player wins again

[@larrybu2000]

Ben dropped balls high b4 he served to take advantage of rules and got caught . It is hard to set rules how high balls are tossed or dropped when players serve.

[@williamduval9856]

Yes, Tyson McGuffin is a lot worst

[@clarence112]

Video quality could be a lot better!

[@joeypage9268]

3:14 can someone explain to me why this is a point for quang?

[@MrRando]

didnt this kid win the orange bowl in tennis? pretty sure hes a high level junior

[@good2freelance1]

The serving rules are unproductive, it simply interfered with the games.

[@annmaes7550]

What was the story with Duong’s paddle

[@Alex-gp5xl]

later in the interview at the end, he says it was because his other paddle "was too white"

[@kamueia]

I think since everyone is required to wear white while playing, Duong's white paddle blends too much with his clothes and can mask his strokes.

[@SixZeroPB-KC]

This kid is 17 and will only get better. John’s is in trouble long term

[@woodfloorsjohnny]

Not really

[@2musiclover534]

@@woodfloorsjohnny Sample of 1. Plus new ball, new serve rules, windy. Too many variables to dethrone the king yet. But the spin of Quang is impressive!

[@RealJamesBond007]

The challenge at 30:42 should not have went in favor of Ben Johns. Lol some rigging at work in Pickleball already? Keep the top Joola earner on top

[@halochief2314]

Quang out call was such bullshit that was completely in stop trying to save Ben

[@drewbrennan1493]

Where’s the sportsmanship BJ?

[@ripeapple350]

He's never had it...

[@smilesrykee7067]

At 00:43 I knew who won 😂

[@samrandy8180]

What's wrong Ben Johns serve?

[@dennyo612]

Bad sportsmanship from John at the end of game 1

[@alexagostini3442]

What a silly rule they are trying out. Ben was dropping the ball above his wrist and making paddle to ball contact below his wrist on the serve. I think Ben just got frustrated

[@aldrive622]

How do you serve if ball dropped below the wrist? The issue was that Ben dropped ball above the waist then the contact might've above the waist too.

[@alexagostini3442]

@@aldrive622 you used the word might, so your not sure? When I replayed the scene back it appeared to me that Ben made contact with the ball below his wrist. Just play it back.

[@DavidHust]

Refs are looking for a 45 degree angle to body. If the arm gets more parallel with the ground then they will call it.

[@Assembledonetwo]

So is this benchmark of wimbledon? Why are they wearing white only

[@Coach.Nguyen]

To all the non-Vietnamese people out there, Duong is pronounced Y-OO-NG. Way to represent kid. Announcers need to be corrected so it doesn’t continue to happen.

[@himanshudewaskar5141]

is Duong serve legitimate. ? from the side seems above the vest?

[@cesareparete1844]

Extreme western grip on the serve!! to me it is not legal.

[@ooooosten]

very legal he just holds the paddle near parallel to the ground

[@CarlosMedrano-xf3op]

"IRON DONG" Quang is the beginning of the new era in pickleball- only 17 years old and just wiped the floor with Ben. Many Of these kids are coming in late 2024 and 2025!

[@vnpickleball888]

Vietnam player

[@DavidHust]

Can you please upload videos that have a framerate higher than 12 FPS? I've watch 21 seconds of this and it's already annoying.

[@NonstopFFriday]

Announcers are doing too much in that pronunciation of “Duong.” It’s more simple than that.

[@voltaquake]

a lot of missed serves and returns...

[@johndibert5509]

That lady announcer is annoying. She’s so pro John’s it’s sickening

[@chriswojtowicz1206]

8:45 - why is there a "let" serve? (be nice)

[@PPAtour]

That's the rules in pro play.

[@samuelreyes3389]

This was an interesting match and a good game on both sides. When you take into account the factors at play here then you can understand why Ben John’s didn’t play his best. It’s early in the morning, it’s windy, new pickle ball and on top of that he’s trying out a new paddle. Idk about y’all but when trying a new paddle it takes a while to adjust to it and get comfortable. A lot of people say the new talent is coming in and these vets are in trouble, but these people just don’t understand the game enough. But regardless the future of pickleball looks very bright and we have these vets to thank for that.

[@ripeapple350]

Duong found out his usual paddle was "banned" minutes before the match in regards to adapting to a new paddle. The vets will always be a presence, but just like when Riley Newman, Matt Wright, etc. became less dominant because of Ben, he will become less dominant because of the new talent. Those who understand the game know that it is "unsolved" (that is the word Ben Johns' himself used) and new players are trying strategies that might be effective against Johns' super defensive and dink-heavy approach to singles.

[@annmaes7550]

John’s will beat him next time around. I wonder if Duong can play doubles.

[@khgriffi]

There’s a match with him playing doubles released yesterday

[@woodfloorsjohnny]

Daddy’s boy..got lucky..😂

[@Liber8d]

PPA is operating like a bush league organization. What other sport calls their own balls when they’re also trying to play the game and how can you disqualify a paddle that has’ too much white’, while at the same time you require the players to wear all white. I mean, WTF?

[@samprinter7960]

Bruh who made this title lol. its so bland and boring. They coulda said quang shocks ben johns or something

[@bobbyknight9709]

Ben Johns is beatable in singles now

[@arautus]

He always loses now and then.

[@CarlosMedrano-xf3op]

CRYBABY Ben Johns is actually the Rhonda Rousey of Pickleball - He's just had a longer run than Rousey did because of the lack of talent in pickleball but NOW, young guns like Quang "IRON" Dong are going to be the norm and by next year, Ben Johns will fade away and be a footnote to the beginning of pro pickleball. This is going to happen to McGuffin and others too. The time has come!! out with the old and in with the new generation!

[@adamheath4599]

I only saw the first game so far, but wind played a huge factor that game.

[@zachcarmichael699]

The game has changed in the past year. Younger, more athletic guys are now in the pool.

[@ripeapple350]

@@arautus He was thoroughly bested in this game by someone playing a more agressive strategy that everyone will eventually realize is superior in singles.

[@anthonydeez3903]

Long Dong is gonna be great !

[@kevngu7256]

Dislike when Ben John complains about net and serves. When he does it it’s fine when someone else does it he cry. And he doesn’t tap paddle properly and when someone else does not he cry too. Correct me if I’m wrong just most time when I watch him play or with his brother.

[@CarlosMedrano-xf3op]

"IRON DONG" Quang is the beginning of the new era in pickleball- only 17 years old and just wiped the floor with Ben. Many Of these kids are coming in late 2024 and 2025!!! Gonna be amazing when Ben can't even reach the quarters anymore.

[@brentrasmussen2440]

Watch Quang's serve immediately after Ben Jonhs is called for an illegal server. Quang's hand at 24:56 is clearly moving upwards until the release at 24:57, and his release well above his hip. New serve rules seem to be a joke, PPA should just go to drop serve only as it would be much easier to have a consistent ruling on serves.

[@diggler2002]

How amateurish are those video reviews. Get some Hawkeye. If they can't afford Hawkeye, then at least use lines people looking straight down the line.

[@jumbo6498]

Ben was in the mood for chinese food, but chinese food was in the mood for hot dogs more.

[@4runr]

Dogshit referees favoring ben Johnson. Both balls were clearly in favor of Quang.

[@jimmychafins]

This new serve rule is stupid!! Looks like the other kid is hitting an illegal serve by coming straight across his body with the Riley Newman grip…Leave the game alone…especially if it’s not a reasonable change and just a ref’s opinion basically..ugh

[@americanhero6965]

Stupid to make it referee game instead of letting them play.

[@mra3373]

At 2058 there is a FAULT, and the chick commentator continues to talk???? STOP! Let's focus on the fault - how often do these pros fault. Get a new announcer. Grrr Maybe I just find Kam's voice incredibly irritating.

[@StreetMD]

The Refs COMPLETELY Screwed Ben on this match. 2 BULLSH!T calls on his serves in the 3rd set? What a joke

[@asins4905]

Ben is a horrible #1

[@ripeapple350]

This is a reality check for Ben and the ppa and I think they will soon realize he's not nearly the most talented player, just the first talented player. They coddle him and it's a bad look that the other players will start to resent.

[@jennisonb37]

A reality check? He lost a match. Big deal. It's nothing more than that.

[@pickleball_tomorrow]

Woods has won a record 22.8% (82 out of 359) of his professional starts on the PGA Tour.

[@MrBrad777c]

A reality check? Lol. Dont get me wrong they def build him up larger than life just as the PGA did Tiger and the NBA did MJ but dude has literally DOMINATED to this point. He is currently the best in the world and its not even close. You cant coddle a 108-match winning streak in singles, over 80 PPA Titles and more Triple Crowns than any other male in professional pickleball history.

[@MrBrad777c]

I want to make it clear. This is the INCEPTION of Pickleball. Ben is the Wilt and Russell and West of this league. As more attention and money is added more higher level tennis pros will join the mix and take it to the MJ Shaq level. But for now just appreciate greatness. No one EVER is undefeated in an individual sport that has thousands of players and hundreds of matches per year.

[@MrBrad777c]

@@gg80108 Lol well your comment already didnt age well. PB is the fastest growing sport in Anerica and soon it will spread worldwide. Soon not only lower tier tennis players will be joining but kids will actually start at super early ages with a pb ONLY upbringing. They will have more well rounded games directly suited for pb. Its coming whether you want it or not. My guess is your a disgruntled tennis player who is jealous of the pb attention. But regardless your entitled to your opinion.

[@CarlosMedrano-xf3op]

CRYBABY Ben Johns is actually the Rhonda Rousey of Pickleball - He's just had a longer run because of the lack of talent in pickleball but NOW, young guns like Quang "IRON" Dong are going to be the norm by next year and Ben Johns will fade away and be a footnote to the beginning of pro pickleball. This is going to happen to McGuffin and others too. The time has come!! out with the old and in with the new generation!

[@TheUsmarine101]

I don’t know. I think there were factors that helped Quang win. I think Johns beats him under normal conditions, but happy for Quang.

[@CarlosMedrano-xf3op]

LOL..never said Ben was a loser but he's definitely a crybaby when he loses (I don't really care if he has a zillion contracts and a billion dollars). BUT Ben is really lucky he got involved in the sport when he did - who did he have to play? McGuffin? Yates? Old Weinbach? all the players that were doing it part-time and were guys that could never be pro in tennis? Like I said, 17 year old IRON Dong Quang and others that are coming are the new while Ben Johns and all those guys he used to beat up are the old era @@gg80108

[@CarlosMedrano-xf3op]

same factors as "Iron Dong" Quang! @@TheUsmarine101

[@pickleballtr]

Singles pickleball is a joke! No need for talent but speed.

[@thepockerbirringsshow5083]

This is pathetic. Why are we grunting in pickleball.

[@posttension9815]

Banned the valley serve. Only dropped serve should be allowed.