Ben Shapiro DEBUNKS the Home Run Record DEBATE

[@Jettvikings]

Ken Griffey Jr is better then both

[@langleyh8243]

Not that Trout isn't a better player but him playing since 2012 and Judge playing since 2017 probably has something to do with the WAR difference

[@IronGolem2009]

Judge’s WAR since 2017 is higher. Ben’s comment is so dumb and he made it so condescendingly lol

[@langleyh8243]

@@IronGolem2009 Agree lol

[@chreeess]

That’s cos Ben doesn’t know ball lmao

[@metalmythology6282]

Am I going insane? It seemed his point was that trout needs to be marketed better and arron dosent deserve nearly as much attention, they are the same age and Trout has a higher war than Jeter already and judge has been amazing but nowhere near trout, Baseball failed trout

[@rigobertoalfonso6829]

@@IronGolem2009 I'm almost 100 percent sure that Judge's average WAR is higher than Trout. If WAR means wins above replacement, the Yankees literally count on Judge for wins. Without him, they're screwed. With Soto it's a little bit different, but before this year, the Yankees weren't winning without Judge. There is no way in hell Trout accounts for more wins than Judge does. HIs teams never make the playoffs, and there is an argument to be made that he played on the overall better team, especially with Ohtani.

[@mbh9566]

Imagine if Ken Griffey Jr. was juicing during his career, obviously he wasn’t, but if he did then he likely would have hit 80+ HRs in a single season. He was the best HR hitter before a bunch of the players started juicing, with his best HR season being 56, which is 10 more than Bonds best of 46 before steroids. Given those numbers, it’s possible Junior would have hit upwards of 85 HRs in one season. All that being said, I’m happy that he didn’t ever use steroids.

[@nolanfarrell1767]

Jr is the real goat my fav player all time

[@barnuner]

Eh.. Griffey also played in the kingdome most of his career, one of the most hitter friendly parks in history. Bonds played the biggest chunk of his career in Candlestick one of the worst hitter friendly parks and still put up better better numbers in the late 80s late 90s when they were contemporaries as stars and were not on roids.

[@mbh9566]

@@barnuner In the late 80s Junior was 19-20 years old and Bonds was in his mid-twenties, so not really an apt comparison given that Bonds was nearing his prime and Junior was just a kid. In fact, that was his nickname during his first few years, “The Kid”, because he made it to the majors at such a young age. And in the late 90s Bonds starting juicing, so that’s a terrible comparison too. Don’t get me wrong, I actually would say that pre-juicing Bonds was a better overall player than Junior, but just slightly. And in the end he destroyed his legacy by cheating, and that’s how he’ll be remembered by a large portion of baseball fans. - The principled and sensible fans that care about cheating the sport. Lastly, for comparison Junior retired as one of the most beloved players in league history, and was subsequently voted in the Hall of Fame nearly unanimously(99.3%), whilst Bonds can’t even get 70%. - Because he’s a cheater!

[@anthonyg1779]

To quote Bill Burr. “It’s our roided up guy against your roided up guy”

[@IronGolem2009]

Ben the Judge vs Trout WAR comment is the stupidest baseball comment I’ve heard in a long time. WAR is an accrual stat. It builds over time. Trout broke into the league in 2011-2012 and Judge didn’t enter the league until 2017. Pretty sure their WAR since 2017 is comparable and Judge may actually be a little higher depending on which WAR metric you use.

[@viewtales3556]

Thank you I totally agree with that and thought it was a shitty point nearly every single point that Ben makes about baseball is just factually incorrect

[@metalmythology6282]

Shapiro pointed out that they are a similar age which is very relevant Trout was ready and playing at a high level 4 years before judge was. When comparing players you can totally use the career war in this situation, at age 30 Trout has more war than Jeter at that same age judges career would be begging for a spot on the hall of Fame ballot and drop off immediately, Trout deserves way more attention and was failed by the MLB

[@IronGolem2009]

@@metalmythology6282 the point is - how do you compare career WAR for one player that has been in the league twice as long as the other?

[@metalmythology6282]

@@IronGolem2009 Trout got called up earlier and Aaron wasn't ready, It shows how much better of a career trout has had and why he deserves more attention than judge

[@IronGolem2009]

@@metalmythology6282 how about Trout didn’t go to college and Judge did?

[@markpalmerton6625]

Bond ...🤣🤣 Mcguire, Sosa...juiced!! Now, who says Judge isn't juiced?? Marist?? He was on beer and cigs..

[@GrannySingaporePVP]

My hero as a kid was The Big Hurt, Fearless Frank Thomas. He was a DUDE until he got hurt in I believe the 01 season. Just a natural beast and one of the purest hitters ever. He swing wasn’t as pretty as Jr’s (his biggest rival in the 90s) but he was an overall more well-rounded hitter IMO. Side note: next to Willie Mays, Jr was the greatest center fielder of all time. One of the most underrated defensive players in mlb history.

[@thpisland2423]

Barry Bonds has 762 home runs and I know that by heart. That’s a bad argument because a couple of dudes claim not to know Barry’s total that no one cares. It hasn’t even been that long since he hit it

[@mctwinzzz2635]

Since we’re doing hypothetical’s, if Bonds hit 53 as you say.. based on studies.. at that same rate with the same amount of at-bats as Judge.. he would have 63… and still hold the record. So… are we still trusting science?

[@bradleymcdaniel7915]

I am so glad he said that about Ortiz!

[@danysantana642]

I would love to compare career strike outs between Judge and Bonds go ahead I'll wait

[@Dodgers-sw2uk]

Bonds played in a much bigger stadium

[@ItchyNavel]

Increased bat speed would produce greater travel distance. That being said, increased pitching speed is going to have very little effect on travel distance, if any. I'm no physicist but I'd be fascinated to know exactly how much farther the ball travels when a fast ball is hit versus when a ball on a tee is hit with the exact same force. Reminds me of the mythbusters episode when they had to debunk themselves, because they erroneously assumed that two trucks colliding at 50mph would have the same destructive force of a single truck moving at 100mph. Feel free to point me in the direction of some counter data if anyone knows of any.

[@destinlacquement7056]

Throw a ball at a wall the hardest you can throw. Then underhand a ball at a wall. Which ball travels further backwards after hitting the wall? If you want a more conclusive test, use a stress ball and a moving vehicle with a big flat surface added to remove any variables.

[@oogabooga6939]

Holy shit Ben shapiro knows baseball and knows baseball stats thank god

[@66fredo99]

Roids simply adds endurance...162 games is a TON of baseball. Late in the year (after about 100 games) everybody's tired and worn except the roids user.

[@johndurrer7869]

15 feet? Have you seen the size of the park Bonds played in? They have brought the walls in 15 feet since then

[@theelephantintheroom5583]

What is wrong with Ben? He talks about home run King and he doesn't even knows the king of home runs. Babe Ruth is the undisputed home run King.

[@mattrondeau7466]

Yeah, Ben Shapiro has never heard of Babe Ruth. They are talking about the single-season king.

[@WithstandTheStorm]

Okay, maybe Bonds had more home runs the year he hit 73 because of the juice. But how many of those dingers were off guys who were also on peds?

[@WithstandTheStorm]

It's a wash. Let the record stand. And I am saying that as a huuuuuge Henry Aaron fan.

[@danysantana642]

Excellent observation mate 👍

[@yoeltaveras1861]

All these athletes are on something!

[@lifeisgreat1718]

Ok Ben but lets not forget the intentional walks that barry had

[@travisw6881]

Bonds is still the king. Study on how much further the ball goes on rounds? LOL what type of roids. It isn’t even necessarily about strength. It was about staying fresh in a long marathon of a season etc. Put judge into old ATT park as home park and judge probably hits sub 45

[@markaland5334]

Bonds was on steroids you stupid bastard, you cant take glory being the homerun leader, when you are using illegal substances to get an advantage.

[@perniciouspete4986]

Bonds is the King of Cheating.

[@thatleftyjames2893]

Yes and he would've declined as every player before him did if he wasn't on those roids

[@treeckoniusconstantinus]

Nope. Barry Bonds is the king. He's the season HR king and the all-time HR king. Get over it. Let me know when Bud Selig is kicked out of the HOF for profiting off of the greatest time to be a baseball fan (mid-90s to mid-00s) and then distancing himself from it the moment it became inconvenient; and when all the teams and players on coke in the 70s and 80s have been stripped of their HOFs, penants, and WS trophies. The only reason they haven't let Bonds in the HOF, but have let proven cheaters in, is because Bonds hated the sports writers and the sports writers hated him...but they didn't hate all the money he printed for them.

[@theelephantintheroom5583]

Babe Ruth is the king of home runs and he wasn't even trying; Babe Ruth was fat for most of his baseball career, had fewer at bats, and played in the grown ups big ballparks. Roid Bond played in junior ballparks with OF fence at merely 300 feet. You are delusional thinking Bond is the king of HR.

[@treeckoniusconstantinus]

@@theelephantintheroom5583 Babe Ruth also played in a segregated game where he didn't have Dominicans throwing nasty pitches at him.

[@theelephantintheroom5583]

@@treeckoniusconstantinus I don't like to get into racial issues. Anyone with a pitching talent, despite race, can be an Ace: Koufax, Ryan, Gibson, Pedro, Marischal, Tiant. It was tougher for Babe Ruth because of the dead ball era. Babe Ruth became HR king when nobody was hitting 20 HR in a season. He was the first to hit so many HR per season. He had the odds against him as pitching goes: almost all pitchers cheated using various methods including putting glue on the ball. At that time pitchers were allowed to use the same ball until it was lost in the stands; they were pitching with scratched balls by too much use or they were scratching the balls in their possession for better grip and more friction. It is called the dead ball era for a reason. Babe Ruth became the king of HR despite the odds, despite being fat. He wasn't even trying and yet he is the King of HR. Let's see how many HR Bonds hits when pitched scratched balls in OF fences at 470 feet (maybe only 10 HR.)

[@WelshKnight1066]

Bonds played at least 7 seasons on steroids, accumulating easily over 200 HRs in that time...thus, both his single-season and career HR counts are meaningless. What Bud Selig did has nothing to do with Bonds hitting HRs.

[@perniciouspete4986]

Barry Bonds is only the King of Cheating.

[@zacharybeeson7211]

So Aaron Judge passed Hank Aaron?

[@rothman1620]

Single season home run king, not career

[@abbyfarris5578]

Bonds is the king lol

[@Jettvikings]

The glazing is crazy

[@origamipein18]

Neat! 😃

[@weekdayvacation5137]

idk about "debunks". I'm going to need to see these "studies" everyone keeps talking about. The argument shapiro makes that the records you remember are the ones that count is pretty silly. I'll make a silly one of my own. There are more non baseball fans who know Berry Bonds hit the most home runs in a single season than who know who Aaron judge is. Thus, Berry Bond's record is the one that counts as it had a bigger impact not only in the the world of baseball, but also outside of it. Put the asterisk by Bonds for steroids if you like, but also put one by Judge's for living in the stat cast era, for having better training technology, diets, lighter shoes, better bats and stickier gloves. And lets not forget the home run friendly park. As a side note, why do we always assume that players today are not on steroids? Just this past post season alone the MLB lockout also meant there was no drug testing going on. It's not a clean sport and we accept it. Just like you can take away Lance Armstong's trophies and have no one else to give them to, you can try and take the record from Bond and give it to someone else who could be just as dirty. However, the result is still the same. We know who won 7 tour de France and we know who hit 73 home runs in a single season.

[@thetangentshow4797]

Debonked king 👑

[@tristinvandervelden3916]

Its Barry. Learn that before u.go.off on a tangent mor0n

[@weekdayvacation5137]

@@tristinvandervelden3916 Listen here tristin, you're right.

[@THEJOEBECK]

Damn, there’s a lot of misinformation here. And I’m a Shapiro fan. Juice helps repair muscle faster. Is does NOT grant you the knowledge, skills, & abilities needed to be successful in the big show. Baseball is a long, long season. Injuries are common. Juice MAY HAVE kept them in the game longer. I’ll give juice that credit. But the rest of what y’all are saying is way off base. I’d be interested in the distance study though.

[@beermesane1671]

The point is he was already a very good baseball player and in the show, so the roids made him better.

[@THEJOEBECK]

No, not necessarily. And in “yes” cases, the effect isn’t nearly as big as what some think. My point above is there’s too many myths about juice. They are also incorrect in writing off the cheating by pitchers. Pitching isn’t just velocity. Otherwise Chapman would be the end all. Doping the ball makes a huge difference. For the record, I hate bonds. In my opinion, he’s a huge douche. I watched him babble in testimony where he proved his teammates were right in their criticisms.

[@zacharywald]

Don’t kid yourself, it’s Bonds

[@theelephantintheroom5583]

Babe Ruth is the king. Bonds is the king of Roids.

[@beermesane1671]

Bonds is what, a cheater?

[@yoeltaveras1861]

110%

[@yoeltaveras1861]

@@beermesane1671 No, he's the HR king! Now go cry about it.

[@loganmayfield6504]

steroids can help hit the ball farther, but if you juice up a random athlete, they still need the incredible ability to hit the ball. The ball could also be a fastball, curveball, slider, and so on. dusty baker said it still takes someone with elite batting ability to get achieve the hits, even with being juiced up. Steroids will give you the distance, but elite batting is needed to achieve the hits in the first place. And bonds has another chance to get in hof with the veteran's committee. whether or not he gets in, his records still stand.

[@theelephantintheroom5583]

The distance matter as a 280 feet fly ball is not a HR unless the OF plays badly and the batter is Ricky Henderson. So roids help the cheater to get more HR for a so called "elite batting ability" hitter.

[@beermesane1671]

your stating the obvious. I can be really fast but that doesnt mean i would be a great running back, duh!

[@mattrondeau7466]

Thanks Captain Obvious.

[@loganmayfield6504]

@@beermesane1671 you're

[@ssa-irs5022]

Randy Brown Life

[@brett2015]

The 8 hole batter for the Montreal Expos was probably juiced to the gills, he just sucked at baseball. They all did it back then. Bonds was just the best baseball player. He’s the HR king. Get over it.

[@theelephantintheroom5583]

Bonds is not even close to Babe Ruth. Bonds played in little ballparks with OF fence at merely 300 feet. When the King Babe Ruth played it was at 390. You don't know baseball or the players from the early decades of baseball. Bond is the king of Roids.

[@brett2015]

@@theelephantintheroom5583 Babe Ruth faced pitchers on the same level as Clemens and Randy Johnson?

[@theelephantintheroom5583]

@@brett2015I have three words for you: dead ball era. Babe Ruth became HR king when nobody was hitting 20 HR in a season. He was the first to hit so many HR per season. He had the odds against him as pitching goes: almost all pitchers cheated using various methods including putting glue on the ball. At that time pitchers were allowed to use the same ball until it was lost in the stands; they were pitching with scratched balls by too much use or they were scratching the balls in their possession for better grip and more friction. It is called the dead ball era for a reason. Babe Ruth became the king of HR despite the odds, despite being fat. He wasn't even trying and yet he is the King of HR. Let's see how many HR Bonds hits when pitched scratched balls in OF fences at 470 feet (maybe only 10 HR.)

[@beermesane1671]

with an * next to his homeruns. you dont know if other players cheated. your just speculating. He stole the election, I mean the homeruns.

[@brett2015]

@@beermesane1671 You’re * And Bonds never failed a drug test

[@J-tu2pb]

Disagree with him bonds is still the king I can go on roids and I’ll still be a washed up high school player that plays in a mens league.

[@jordanwolfe7437]

If judge was on the juice like Barry maybe 75-80 home runs this year

[@beermesane1671]

really, you dont know that. how about 100. lol

[@yoeltaveras1861]

You really think he's not, 😂

[@razackchrist5096]

B O N D S

[@perniciouspete4986]

Take out the "OND."

[@jordanwolfe7437]

Barry cheated