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@wdominguez19843 жыл бұрын
You could literally hear the distaste in his voice. 😂 I was just waiting for him to say “Hey here’s the Gucci Bugout for the fan boys.” Overall I have 4 Bugouts, 2 mini BugOuts, and the Bailout. This was made for guys like me, had to have one. Factory CF, with the Blue Accents, and S90v. I understand all the hate towards the bugout. Considering everyone is still talking about it 4-5 years later. But they really talked about the 940 for almost 20 years.
@darksagus3 жыл бұрын
I got this a couple weeks ago, was my first benchmade. I really like it so far, the colors appeal to me, and being left handed I appreciate the full ambidextrous design. After playing with it for a couple weeks, it's very smooth, nearly drop shut. The price is high, but I plan on using it for many years.
@dbbuster12383 жыл бұрын
what are some things you don't like about the 535-3?
@jotterson11562 жыл бұрын
So thin for a big hand but a nice knife
@steveball233 жыл бұрын
The contouring and feel, perhaps the slight warmth of the carbon fiber, with s90v makes this feel like a substantial upgrade all around for me. I love this one. Thanks for the great content!
@Lanterns_light Жыл бұрын
I use the orange grivalry bugout mini every day as a work knife and I absolutely love it. It’s so light that now heavier EDC knives have been ruled out for me. I don’t consider it a cheap feel. It suits the purpose and then some. I’m now considering getting this knife as a larger carry and more of a collector piece.
@submituniquenamehere3 жыл бұрын
Personally, I think this is the best looking available option for the Bugout. Im a sucker for carbon fiber.
@BuffaloNickel93 жыл бұрын
Ha, same with me.. I was looking in my knife drawer the other day thinking... damn, I am such a sucker for carbon fiber. that's practically all I have in the drawer are good quality carbon fiber scales on 80% of my knives...
@johnagen3688 Жыл бұрын
Agree!
@EldenLord843 жыл бұрын
When saying something is overpriced, typically you would provide a comparison. I'm curious what your thought process is in saying this is overpriced. Compared to what? What other knife is US made with high-end steel and full carbon fiber handles for $255? Want a Sebenza with CF scales? Even the small is $450, and that's using S35VN. The Koenig Arius, while a much better knife in my opinion, is $750+ in carbon fiber. The only comparison I can really think of is the ZT 0562CF in 20CV, and that's $260. Basically the same price.
@chriswebb30183 жыл бұрын
Its not over priced when compared to other usa made knives with the same premium materials. Its that he thinks its over priced for what he likes, its just his personal preference. But your right, if you want a usa made knife in cf or ti with a premium steel then 250 is pretty much the starting price and goes up from there. Of course we all want to pay less but we definitely don't want anything less than the best.
@knifelyfe6565 Жыл бұрын
I had the #31 of the ZT 0562CF and the lock was junk.I sent it back to ZT and they said they fixed it but they didnt.Just ordered one of these and added the oversize washers.320.00 after tax.This will be my 2nd Bugout.Cant wait to get it.
@michaelduke6026 Жыл бұрын
TRM (if and when you can find one) offers better value for money, in my opinion, in a similar form factor.
@EldenLord84 Жыл бұрын
@@michaelduke6026 I recently picked up a couple Atoms. One in carbon fiber and one in titanium. I would agree - a better value than the Bugout. 👍🏻
@aaronryann1120 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. I got a 940-1 (same variant disposition as this, S90V, Carbon Fiber, Blue studs.) Osborne, and I love it to death. It's tough, holds that edge, I strop it whenever I need to, stays razor sharp. Tough, Lightweight, and the form factor gives you a ton of tough cutting edge for the weight. 265$ at my Military BX. for that price? Unbeatable pound for pound.
@mnelson05332 жыл бұрын
I agree about the aluminium Bailout, I think the combo of thin overall knife profile with the M4 steel in a "longer" blade makes it functionally a great carry knife, and those aluminum scales really make for good comfort and feel. Very rigid, smooth enough that it doesn't trap your pocket against the clip, yet somehow a very grippy texture in hand.
@holdernewtshesrearin54712 жыл бұрын
True. I actually dont mind the original Grivory bailout though. My buddy has one and loaned it to me for a month or so to get a feel for it. In actual use the Grivory is just fine. It does what its supposed to do but......it does feel a little chintzy especially at $140 or whatever it is. My biggest complaint is with the super soft but ultra tough 3V blade steel. Why? Just WHY, Benchmade? The toughest steel on the planet with average edgeholding and minimal corrosion resistance in a small plastic handle EDC knife? If i buy one, and likely will, ill definitely be going for the coated M4/aluminum handle model.
@flybyguy14503 жыл бұрын
S90V is the perfect steel for this knife, and the carbon fibre really compliments the lightweight nature too! Would love to win this!
@lukepaulson34283 жыл бұрын
S90V sounds perfect for someone like me. General EDC use requiring little maintenance. Thanks MC!
@cameronbottoms11183 жыл бұрын
They got a M390/Aluminum coming soonish.
@barkingspider20073 жыл бұрын
I love Benchmade, Spyderco etc. I buy a lot of them. If the Benchmade's and Spyderco's of the world don't get with the program and begin to offer better "value and quality" They are going to become very small players in the knife game. The Civivi's and TwoSuns and others are going to eat them up. The cost of premium materials is very minimal. Give us MORE Bang for the buck... Buy American... I do... Stop ripping me off... ALL OF THAT SAID... I am in the minority one in 500 knife buyers. Yes, I am going to buy one. THANKS FOR THE VIDEO!!!
@chriswebb30183 жыл бұрын
I do agree and wish i could buy these premium models cheaper than i do but the price will not change do to being produced in usa with a great warranty. The manufacturing of anything cost 10x more here than in china. Then add the great customer service and the price becomes what it is. If you know about tools and buy snap on for working on cars then you will see that benchmade isn't alone. 1 freaking ratchet from snap on cost the same as a premium knife from benchmade. It's crazy that we have to pay so much to get nice tools made here but its everyone's fault. It's usa companies fault that move there production to china to save a few bucks, it's our fault that accept it by buying that shit, and it's our government's fault for allowing greedy companies to do what they want to just to let the richer get more rich. It does suck but at least benchmade didn't sell out like Gerber did and produce shit knives sold at Wal-Mart to make a quick buck. We get to have a great company staying true to there roots producing great knives that we can buy.
@mostmuscular6193 жыл бұрын
I had a custom Blacked out Bugout made with 20CV and aluminum scales, it's sweet. I paid around $260 for it. I am not the biggest fan of carbon fiber, but I do appreciate it more if it's textured like the Artisan Centauri. I own several Benchmade knives in various steels, and none of them have the wicked, stupid, scary, razor-laser edge that the Hogue Deka has. I love the shape of the blade on the Bugout more than the Deka, but if I had to choose. Deka for sure.
@voodoo70082 жыл бұрын
The Bugout is perfect for my wife, which is why I ordered her one with the plastic scales. Dress it up for her with Flytanium G-10 scales, and carbon fiber back spacer, it should make her real happy.
@TheWoolyninja42 жыл бұрын
I own this guy and got it at 200. Only major gripe is that the thumb stud is still got a crummy coating that easily scratches and it doesn't match the backspacer in color.
@CDS.262 жыл бұрын
I have a mini bugout that I bought with the white scales and I decided to buy a pair of rouge blade works carbon scales and that turned into buying titanium hardware and lock bar, a single titanium back spacer instead of the stand-offs and a titanium thumb stud, all anodized gold. I did all that over the course of a year so it didn’t feel like I spent as much as I actually did, which was a lot.
@TheMxboy1992 жыл бұрын
Just ordered a custom one with the s90v, carbon fiber handle, red thumb stud, and black blade can’t wait for it to come in
@johnagen3688 Жыл бұрын
Wow!!!!!!
@johnwest44923 жыл бұрын
Do I need this? Yes MC, yes I do lol 😆
@etherealicer3 жыл бұрын
I have ordered mine (and the Aluminium version too)... Curious how it compares to my Aramis CF scales, those are real nice (a lot nicer than the Flytanium ones).
@doctoruttley3 жыл бұрын
😂👌🏻
@yossaauld18203 жыл бұрын
Did u get it
@robertm84013 жыл бұрын
Since this came out I have called it the Pinnacle BugOut. Best variant ever.
@johnagen3688 Жыл бұрын
Agree!
@busbus763 жыл бұрын
Dude... I like you. You are definitely an acquired taste.
@napalmholiday97083 жыл бұрын
I instantly had buyers remorse when I bought my 535-3. That regret diminishes every time I hold this thing and flick it open. It did have a really toothy edge from the factory, but I was surprised how well it touched up with just a DC4 sharpener.
@jaysdub3 жыл бұрын
I had the same problem. It was an impulse buy when I wanted a little treat and almost instantly felt like I paid too much. But since I have been carrying it, it makes me happy every time I pull it out. The colors and the feel of the carbon are great.
@jimcarlson61572 жыл бұрын
by my third anniversary I really started to like my wife. she must be a benchmade too
@Ephem133 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna say something that might confuse most people, I don't care for CF scales on my knives unless it has an interesting pattern. I put G10 scales on my Bugout and got exactly the knife I was looking for when I did.
@jburt7792 жыл бұрын
I had a Cold Steel Broken Skull a few years back. It had the most aggressive G10 I’ve ever held and I loved it . I keep looking for that same aggressive style handle texture but no joy so far.
@1804unclesam3 жыл бұрын
I bought this knife and I really really like it. But I was irritated in that mine came dull as hell, it wouldn’t slice paper, I looked at the bevel and it looked like it only got a coarse grind done. Granted I have a KME system so I put my own edge on it fairly easily (aside from the time it took) but for a knife that’s $255, it should have come sharper and/or had better QA/QC.
@constitutionalist43912 жыл бұрын
Seems the Benchmade Arcane is what you would like to see...it is pretty much the same size S90V blade with aluminum handles that is about $35 cheaper. NOTE: as of Sept of 2022 the price is now $279 on the street, 10% below MSRP and that is pretty much what EVERYONE is selling them for. For those that do not prefer carbon fiber that could be a good option that is cheaper than the carbon fiber. I'm not that kind of person however. 🤫
@mattmilauskas57272 жыл бұрын
@12:20 this is why i watch all your videos dude lol you are entertaining as heck. and know knives inside and out.
@themeparkdna6833 жыл бұрын
This is my favorite version of this knife
@evanacey14143 жыл бұрын
The back spacer/lanyard hole has also been redesigned.
@scottyh.69923 жыл бұрын
I can't believe all the Spyderco PM2 and Benchmade Bugout variants. They must sell a ton of these knives.
@cameronbottoms11183 жыл бұрын
The 940 and the Bugout are benchmades best sellers.
@SkunkPunch733 жыл бұрын
Such a Joy to hear you say them words. Benchmade is doing such a good job on fit n finish. It’s about time they got that part sorted out you can’t be a sloppy company not with so many other high quality makers out there it’s not something to over look. Stay safe and healthy 😘👍
@joshevans34523 жыл бұрын
Sadly, not for mine they aren't. Won't re-post my comments from above but they will still send out nearly non functional examples.
@leakylight3 жыл бұрын
I have a TSPROF blitz 360 and honestly i think working on benchmades s90v is easier than their s30v. I have a hidden canyon hunter in s90v and a two bugouts in s30v. I prefer the s90v not only for edge retention but also how keen and disgustingly sticky sharp i can get the hidden canyon hunter compared to the bugout. The hidden canyon i keep at 14 degrees like they did their select edge, the bugouts are at 15 down from their 17-18 as standard.
@wnJhntn2 жыл бұрын
I'm planning on having this be my first, and only, quality edc knife.
@clintflippo9172 жыл бұрын
I just got it and dig it. I had to slightly adjust the tension. I do wish the blade was a tiny bit shorter. Already cut myself fidgeting with it.
@TheSnakeman361995 Жыл бұрын
Mine won't automatically flip open like that, maybe cause I bought it off of BladeHQ instead of Benchmades website
@fakebobbyhill2964 ай бұрын
Aside from the blade being a little higher quality, this is basically what you should get at the base price of a bugout. This, with an S30 V is what Benchmade should be offering for the price.
@LegionTacticoolCutlery3 жыл бұрын
There is a knife out there for Everyone! Benchmade is not for me. But man you sure do put out some high quality videos and reviews!
@cameronbottoms11183 жыл бұрын
I agree with the knife portion; i like a lot of benchmades knives they’ve created. There’s some i dislike; at the same there’s some i love.
@edcko103 жыл бұрын
Yes! Yes I do. That's why It's in my hand already 😅
@zgnu Жыл бұрын
It has jumped up in price this past year. $297 -$330
@collectivevids5188 Жыл бұрын
I just bought this exact bugout for $224. I would not pay more than $250 for this knife. $300 is crazy.
@inquisitorgramaticus22503 жыл бұрын
yes, I don't have a Benchmade but if I was going to buy one this would be it. or if it comes Ti like the one you built I've always held back getting one as similar to yourself m.c , it looks a little dainty for me . good review mate 🇬🇧👍
@Vegas3RSPilot3 жыл бұрын
I think I like the other ti one he built better too
@Rambles1233 жыл бұрын
I'm a diehard Spydie guy, but after I picked up my first Benchmade, (Saddle Mtn Skinner w/gray G10), I atleast stopped talking crap on Benchmade. Lmao. An Osbourne, Mini Grip w/Spydie hole & now this are now on my list for sure...
@killough710103 жыл бұрын
Sweet man. The crooked river is another amazing offer from benchmade. It's insanely smooth, we're talking custom knife smooth. I have so far a mini crooked river, griptillian, super freak m4, this cf bugout, 940-3 in cf, bailout in m4, and a turret. So far great experience with benchmade!
@matterisnotsolid82953 жыл бұрын
Have the new bugout with M390 steel and aluminum scales on pre-order. Prefer M390 over S90V and jumped when they offer the version. VERY surprised to hear someone suggest it has better edge retention than M390. The difference is negligible to me. I find S90V harder to sharpen though with no noticable benefit and it micro chips. Amazing how people see something that seem pretty straight forward so differently. Don't get me wrong, I wouldnt refuse a S90V knife but given the choice Id always choose M390 between the two.
@TheLoxapac2 жыл бұрын
Well i just finished reading a big file about these steels, and edge retention is scientificaly better with S90V, and that explains the added sharpening difficulty. (And think about it... It is logical.) But i can understand why you prefer M390, it is a very good choice too, just a different balance, (As always with steel..) and it have a scary edge retention too. But that's just the way it is. And S125V has a better edge retention than S90V. It is more brittle too. So S90V isn't better than M390. But it has a better edge retention, and it is a finer grain steel. M390 is easier to sharpen and more resilient. And more stainless. Both are very expensive.
@clintflippo9172 жыл бұрын
This was my first quality edc, super dig it.
@everydaycarry13283 жыл бұрын
I have several Bugouts with different scales....this one in CF , micarta , G-10 , and Aramis Akhmedov cf scales. This one is my favorite so far....we’ll see how the aluminum m390 version is 😉
@a97b18b3 жыл бұрын
Where did you get micarta scales?
@inthemiddleof2 жыл бұрын
I like most of everything in this knife but that lanyard spacer.
@TheKnetic6 ай бұрын
Concrete brick processor here: Thanks for finally including my demographic in a knife review. I'll be sure to avoid this one. 🤣
@ericthompson35513 жыл бұрын
I bought this and got PRN turbo design titanium scales that REALLY felt great in my hand BUT it threw my blade point way off center so I put the cf scales back on.
@tonberryhugs64357 ай бұрын
I rarely buy knives now going for quality over quantity. Still daily carrying my Microtech Ultratech from 2018 but want something more traditional with some flair and I think this might be next.
@groundofbeing97333 жыл бұрын
One with s90v and carbon fiber, or a regular bugout AND a manix 2. Not sure that price hike is worth it.
@onewade19743 жыл бұрын
Hey I bought this knife a while back. I was disappointed in the movement or action of the open and closing. I sent it back, then later learned it probably just need to be broken in a bit. However at the price point I shouldn't have to break a knife in.
@BuffaloNickel93 жыл бұрын
Most knives at all price points, including some triple this price must be broken in... That's like buying a brand new Rawlings top of the line leather pro- preferred baseball glove and complaining it should have come broken in😂
@ThorDyrden3 жыл бұрын
Very beautiful premium-edc... but the price-tag is really high (here in EU - 310€ incl. VAT)... The carbon/titanium Lionsteel T.R.E with M390 almost is 100€ cheaper and a strong competitor from the specs (I would need to hold both in my hand and use them some time).
@tanman76273 жыл бұрын
I prefer spyderco but I'm thinking about a benchmade too nice review!
@scottharris6423 Жыл бұрын
I purchased the Benchmade 535BK-2201 with CPM-20CV blade steel. Yellow Grivory
@scottharris6423 Жыл бұрын
Opps! With black hardware etc... It extremely sharp! Info above provided by Scott Harris not the person mention above.
@rjzavala873 жыл бұрын
"Now this is much more expensive." Of course it is.
@ericthompson35513 жыл бұрын
You thought $255 was high ? So did I. But I paid $280 out the door at my local cutlery shop. Then another $145 on titanium scales and and back spacer. So I guess I probably spent too much , but wtf its only money.
@ArkansasPublicHunts3 жыл бұрын
GOAT knife guy
@theblake53563 жыл бұрын
I paid $229 for a First Production at my local knife shop.
@jamesfair97512 жыл бұрын
Do you have or have you ever tried the bugout with aluminum handles and m390 blade. I’m thinking of getting one of these but can’t decide between the aluminum and m390 or cf and s90v what do you think???
@frzh06263 жыл бұрын
Good news, BHQ r selling it at $219 rn. Excellent value!
@joshevans34523 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I ordered mine 3 days ago and it was $200. Wonder if I got a deal because it's the 3rd knife I bought there in 30 days?
@frzh06263 жыл бұрын
@@joshevans3452 That's pretty good deal to have $100 of the MSRP
@GBall_Vision3 жыл бұрын
I just picked one up off Blade HQ for 200. Their having an insane sale
@tonycarrington28473 жыл бұрын
Awesome price. Spectacular knife. Is that price still available? Thank You.
@GBall_Vision3 жыл бұрын
@@tonycarrington2847 it's back up to 255, I believe that was only a few day thing.
@tonycarrington28473 жыл бұрын
@@GBall_Vision Thank You. Good to know. I'll keep an eye out for another sale. $200 was a deal. Thank You
@GBall_Vision3 жыл бұрын
@@tonycarrington2847 it was a hell of a deal. And it's a great knife. Has the s90v blade. I did 2 day shipping even and still only spent 210-212
@tristanmurphy47313 жыл бұрын
I paid 225 for mine from GPKnives. Not a huge fan of the platform, but it's alright enough to stay in my collection. Best value of any Bug imo anyway
@idwolverine18673 жыл бұрын
If I were to get a Bugout, that would be the one.
@Orochi_0012 жыл бұрын
Dumb question, but is S90V lighter than other steels? I can’t get this thing to drop shut for the life of me. Unscrewing the pivot does nothing, and I’ve removed the blade and cleaned/oiled everything I can. It’s buttery smooth, but not liquid
@notname4646 Жыл бұрын
Polish the washers
@mewithknives34813 жыл бұрын
Benchmade does offer carbon fiber and s90v on the griptilian platform. That configuration is 280ish?
@grandprixgtpjy3 жыл бұрын
This should have been the mini bug out configuration. More of a classy looking knife.
@theanger4203 жыл бұрын
I love mine I carry this and the mini cf elite bugout as my two daily carry knifes
@carlsoll9 ай бұрын
5:27 Yeahhh mann. Just bought one in blue & beige. One question though? So the clips normally come as weathered as they do? Idk, it’s not like a ‘wash’ just worn- I guess *7:53*
@angelcerros25472 жыл бұрын
I would like to see a bug out XL,is there such a thing!?!
@chrisdittberner9882 Жыл бұрын
I bought the blacked out with elite carbon fiber Handle. The blade action is pretty bad, first knife I have bought that I cannot flick open. If I loosen the pivot so I can flick it open the blade has lots of wiggle. Don't know if I just received a bad knife or they are all this bad.
@floridaman72 жыл бұрын
I'm from the future. It's $300 now.
@harveychu77213 жыл бұрын
If you purchase a blade like that from bladehq, does Benchmade still go through with its warranty and life sharp?
@glassjar78143 жыл бұрын
I went looking for that blacked out bugout at a local store yesterday and they had this. Had never seen it before. Asked them to scan for a price and i couldn’t do it for $250. So many better options of knives for that price. Regardless of s90v
@socialchlamydia85332 жыл бұрын
I enjoy sharpening my knives but, Iv adopted a new technique for sharpening my knives and that is to just buy a new knife lmfao 🤣
@JustAnotherDayToday2 жыл бұрын
Even at $220 is too much for a Bugout even in CF. Just get a M4 Freek if you must-it’s much better.
@desertsmeagol70733 жыл бұрын
Overrated but the carbon fiber and blue accents are rlly nice. Should have had a blue axis lock as well
@jmarsh667 Жыл бұрын
I really like this combination.
@Jnichols772 жыл бұрын
I have one and love it but the action is very stiff
@matthewlangley55652 жыл бұрын
I paid $226 for mine today from Academy. Got a 20% discount.
@Redstorm12203 жыл бұрын
I’m new to knifes so I’m sorry if this is a stupid question but, how do I use the axis lock in this knife as a “fidget” type of knife where I can swing the blade open and close a lot?
@metal_complex3 жыл бұрын
Brace the butt of the knife against your palm and pull down on the axis lock while you whip it open/closed. Let go of the axis bar once it reaches the fully opened/closed position 👍
@Redstorm12203 жыл бұрын
@@metal_complex thanks for the help!
@txoilfield3 жыл бұрын
Good review, just not my thing as well. I'll keep carrying my Onslaught and Barrage for heavy use and dressup carry.
@jimcarlson61572 жыл бұрын
tough tough dude
@luismacotela-garcia66653 жыл бұрын
Awesome and informative vids!
@tatersalad5733 жыл бұрын
Love it, just ordered it.
@johnagen3688 Жыл бұрын
Such an epic knife!!!
@ChasVS391 Жыл бұрын
It’s my EDC! So I disagree with your dislike of this fantastic knife!
@xtoxicKnifeReveiws2 жыл бұрын
Just picked this knife up for 160 from my snap-on dealer
@korling993 жыл бұрын
Put some Vanax in that and I’ll jump, Otherwise, I’m happy with my base bugout and mini bugout.
@tonycarrington28473 жыл бұрын
Spectacular Knife. Looks like I may have missed the sales last week? Does anyone know of a $200 deal still around? Thank You.
@gizmosgadgets41463 жыл бұрын
Stoked for the 535-bk4
@IlIlIlllIlIlIllli3 жыл бұрын
Smokey mountains knife works has a m4 bugout with bailout scale material. Have you looked into it?
@a97b18b3 жыл бұрын
I have one. I have the one with gray blade and love it. Never had m4 and I’m not a hard user, but it’s holding up to cardboard so far
@johnruiz67436 ай бұрын
Yes!
@CodeKiLLa262 жыл бұрын
The mini version (533-3) is coming out soon!
@supesharu52903 жыл бұрын
Yes i'm Pretty sure i need this
@jameshealy45943 жыл бұрын
Hey now MC, it's ok buddy, we still love you even when you understand something new about yourself.... Oh wait, wound FROM a dumbbell, never mind... ;)
@jeremyrayplumley3 жыл бұрын
Love your videos man
@dalecarpenter8828 Жыл бұрын
D2 @ 56 -60 hardness is the best edge holding ! S30V is renamed 440 not even as good as 440 C !
@terrydelaney87133 жыл бұрын
Like the carbon fiber
@SurronSlouch3 жыл бұрын
Him: sorry about the wound on my thumb, it’s from a… dumbbell. Everyone else: suuuuure lol
@benjaminlindner64893 жыл бұрын
Oh boy do I need this! ;)
@bodyoftruth77662 жыл бұрын
Hit a 20% discount from REI and it's good to go!
@stanreedy2686 Жыл бұрын
ordered it today
@showstopper78813 жыл бұрын
But where do you buy replacement omega springs?
@christianmolick86473 жыл бұрын
Benchmade will send them to you if you ask.
@isabellam19362 жыл бұрын
I don’t like width of the scales are compared to the Benchmade Fact.
@Bri13702 жыл бұрын
They’re over 300.00 now,!
@yakuzahi2 жыл бұрын
The price is $310.. a year or so later
@shannonsmith80042 жыл бұрын
280 at Smokey mountain knife works today
@Cliff_Dixon_423 жыл бұрын
Anyone else hoping Benchmade comes out with a S90V+CF Mini-Bugout?
@chriswebb30183 жыл бұрын
It would be around the 250 price range for the mini because it doest really cost that much less to produce a little bit smaller of a knife. Maybe 220 if we are lucky. That might be the reason they won't come out with it.