Benjamin Moore Super Hide | Pro Painter Review

[@readysetmoses]

I chose to use Sherwin Williams Super Paint Flat in base Extra White and it has been awesome! Goes great with the Duration Matte walls 🤩

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

Glad you like the Super Paint. We love Duration matte. Good combo sir!

[@stenhouseproperties8951]

I like how you do give practical advise, not pushing the high end products. I have had good luck with the PPG Diamond one coat ceiling paint from Home Depot. It does allow for one coat coverage over other whites, it’s thick, but you can one coat it.

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

Thanks for kind words and the info on PPG Diamond

[@joshsawyer2622]

This paint is an awesome ceiling paint. Switched over from BM waterborne ceiling paint awhile back and will never look back. It’s a dead flat (0-2 @ 85 degrees) and will not splatter if you use a microfiber roller cover.

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

That’s been our experience as well. Word on the street is that the new Ultra Spec Flat is going to be similar, but I haven’t tried it yet.

[@joshsawyer2622]

@@SuperVassarBrothers the current ultra spec has sheen to it. I’d never use it on ceilings in it’s current formulation.

[@pljohnny21]

Hey Jeremy I wanted to first thank you for giving me my sanity back by making this video. I wish I saw it last year. I had an issue with lap marks on my ceiling that I painted in my family room. I'm doing my daughter's room now and had to repaint the ceiling and decided to do the same thing I did in the family room with the same paint and rollers and got the same terrible result that I got in the family room. I never used to have issues with painting the ceilings and started doing some research to see what am I doing wrong?! I used to use Valpar paint and switched to a regular behr ceiling paint thinking there wouldn't be much of an issue. Yea that turned into a nightmare. After watching your video I went and bought the SuperHide and did 2 coats. I looked at it this morning with the full sun hitting it and it looks amazing! I will never use anything different again unless you come out with a new recommendation. I also switched the rollers to the Purdy WhiteDove and I love it! I think the problem with that paint was that it was drying too fast and the rollers were garbage even though they were a #1 recommendation when I looked it up.

[@pljohnny21]

Having the right equipment and supplies makes the difference honestly. I will have to repaint the family room at some point too because it drives me nuts during the day. Also, someone told me painting in the opposite direction of where your window is hides any lap marks that you might get. That's the other mistake I made the first time, I painted parallel to the window.

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

You are most welcome good sir. I’m glad the videos are helping. We’ve got lots more content in the works on what our current painting load outs are. Bad ceiling paint can really ruin your day.

[@pljohnny21]

@Super Vassar Brothers yea it definitely made me dislike painting but after watching your video and this past weekend I feel sane again lol 😆

[@patrickcullen2714]

Who remembers the overnight spread of the super hide semi on a metal door? It would look crappie but when you came back in the morning it would spread out great

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

Not too familiar with the semi gloss version, don't plan on it either.

[@plainwlkr8]

Ended up watching your videos after having problems with the BJ waterborne ceiling paint on two projects. I'm going to try the super hide. Problems with 508: I've spot primed my mud patches with 508 on one job and and drywall primer 380 on another and finish rolling will 508 will not blend with 2 rolls. It also picture frames horribly. Takes 3 rolls to make it acceptable. Thank god the ceilings have been small but I can't recommend 508, it's horrible.

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

My go-to ceiling paint currently is Promar Ceiling paint from Sherwin Williams. I haven't found anything better so for. No picture framing issues and you can prime with it as well. As long as you can get the contractor price, then you're good to go.

[@streamscreen]

This is my favorite ceiling paint.I have it tinted to Sherwin Williams’s extra white.It definitely has gray in it so important to keep it mixed well.I like it better then promar ceiling paint,but promar is whiter and a little smoother.Use a 9/16 arroworthy microfiber and you will get almost no splatter,it definitely covers better then promar ceiling paint.Bher I300 is also great.I agree with what you said about the waterborne ceiling paint,overpriced and doesn’t spread great,the mureseco from Benjamin moore is better and costs less.If you want the brightest ceiling paint go with Bher ceiling paint it’s ultra white.Thanks for the video!

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

Thanks for your input Dave! I've never tried Muresco, but I made a note of it and I'd like to give it a try in the future. I appreciate the heads up. We're always looking for other good products to try. 🤙

[@streamscreen]

@@SuperVassarBrothers Thanks for the informative videos!

[@andrewingrassia1718]

Behr ceiling paints are great... sometimes. The problem with Behr ceiling paints is that they vary in sheen from batch to batch. Behr is a "zero waste" company, so they're not the best about cleaning out their vats between batches (I heard this from a very honest Behr rep when I complained about this issue). I fell in love with i300 on ceilings for a spell - it was so flat! Then one day I bought some more and painted an entire living room and hallway - only to find that the most recent batch was more of a "matte". That was the last straw for me - no more Behr.

[@Monarchski]

They make a stock color (01 White) that is a dead on match to SW Extra White. It's a beefed up stock color for better hide. It's not the pastel base they mix light colors out of.

[@andrewingrassia1718]

Thanks for the video - I'm a residential painter and have been eyeing this product as a potential replacement for my go-to ceiling paint, Wall Supreme Flat from PPG. I love Wall Supreme because of its VAE resin (which has a weird tendency to reflect less light) as well as its 0-2 @ 85 degrees sheen, which is as flat as it gets. But PPG is a pain to work with for a number of reasons. I noticed that the TDS for Super Hide Zero Flat says that it is also 0-2 @ 85 degrees, which sounded great but I was wondering about its coverage, consistency, splatter resistance, etc. So you've pushed me over the edge - I think I'll give it a try on the next gig. Cheers homie - and I dig your content.

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

Thanks Andrew. Give it a try and if you think it sucks you can blame us :). Its our go to at Benny Moore, the only issue we had recently is it doesn't come in all the colors for some reason. A client wanted a specific white and we had to use another paint. Hope it goes well!

[@Monarchski]

@@SuperVassarBrothers The new SuperHide just got released in my area and now all colors can be made in it. About to give it a try.

[@barrymcwilliams5475]

I’ve been using Ultra Spec 500 flat from Ben Moore for ceilings, great coverage, touches up great if needed. Give it a try.

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

Thanks for the advice Barry. Glad you like the Ultra Spec 500. We've used it before and it does touch up well

[@mooch2u]

Just bought the Super Hide for a cape style ceiling with kneewalls and found this to be way to watery for me and spattered pretty bad beiing a fast and agressive painter this will not fit the bill for me just saying but to each their own and keep up with your videos love to see differnt painter point of views

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

All good Mooch. Our go to ceiling paint is Sherwin Williams Promar Ceiling. We do love the Pro Doo Z FTP rollers in 1/2 " for the Super Hide and we haven't had issues with spraying. Maybe your just so fast, the paint can't keep up w/ you :)

[@patrickcullen2714]

The label used to say that you could use it on exterior cement back in the day

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

Yeah, it wouldn't be my first choice for exterior cement :)

[@jamieboustani2866]

Aloha Jeremy, thank you for making this video. I was wondering if you would recommend this paint for textured ceilings (not popcorn, more swirl-like). Although I know we can't hide the texture, we would like to try to lessen the effect by using a flat paint, and was looking at this one. Would you recommend a different roller cover for textured ceilings as well? Thanks for your help.

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

You should be fine with the Super Hide for your ceiling. Try 1/2 inch roller nap. One with a more spongy nap (usually yellow/brown color). You'll use more paint but it will get into the grooves better. Good luck!

[@michaelbluejay]

3:55 "If you have an interior ceiling in your house...." Most people do. :) Great video though, very helpful.

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

hahaha. too many paint fumes :)

[@TheTykus]

Hey Jeremy. Thanks for all your content. I've been watching a multitude of your videos, and a few creators as well, learning about paint/painting. Really like your video duration and explanations. They have a good balance! I have a question. Which ceiling paint would you recommend for a room with a good deal of natural light? Also it's upstairs and certain places have low ceiling following the angle of the roof. I was thinking the BM Ultra flat you just reviewed eralier, but I'm open to any recommendation. P.S. Don't use Behr ceiling paint unless it's in a dark cave. Or you WANT to picture frame your ceiling and have sheen roller marks lol.

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

Thanks for the feedback Matthew. Glad we can help. Our favorite ceiling paint is Sherwin Williams promar ceiing paint. It can be pricy if you don't have contractor pricing. For Benny Moore We still like the Super Hide flat for ceilings like your describing. We haven't used Behr ceiling paint in a while, so thanks for the heads up. :)

[@atk8959]

Thanks for the info! Can you spot prime small drywall repairs with this product without any flashing afterwards. You should do a review of Behr Premium Ultra Ceiling Paint too. I’m curious how they compare in your view.

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

We haven't spot primed with that paint to my knowledge. Its a dead flat so I would assume it would work. We haven't used the Behr Ultra Ceiling paint in a while. If we do we'll review it. Thanks for the feedback!

[@riskitallcrypto99]

Add water on the thick paint Double the better flow with a little water or flowtrol

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

Thanks for the feedback.

[@johnwhite2576]

Ok super hide versus promar ceiling?? Who wins ?

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

Promar ceiling all day Mr. White

[@josefernandez2722]

FYI. I just bought a gallon of super hide for $36.99 + tax which is pretty steep, but in comparison with some of the other ceiling paints, waterborne, $62, SW , and even Behr Ultra $39.99 is still under those. Again, I am not a pro and maybe this is due to the new inflation prices as of 10/13/22. How is SW eminence ceiling paint as this I might get at reasonable prices on sale?

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

Eminence is not great in my experience. For whatever reason that's what Sherwin Williams tries to sell to homeowners, and it's garbage. Another alternative from Sherwin Williams is Superpaint Flat. It's not technically a "ceiling" paint, but it works well and we've used a fair amount when there were shortages. You may be able to get a good deal on that when there's a sale. My brother and I are in the process of finding the best ceiling paint for the money between Benjamin Moore, Sherwin Williams, Lowes and Home Depot. Once we do our due diligence we'll make a video with our results. Thanks for watching!

[@josefernandez2722]

@@SuperVassarBrothers 👍 thanks for your input

[@ajmedeiros77]

Great video as always! So I have gotten the mold and mildew additive in the past to add to gallons. Have you ever done this? It would probably be cheaper to add that to this instead of getting a more expensive gallon just for a ceiling in the bathroom.

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

Hi Andrew. Sounds like a good solution to save some cash. We haven't done this and use Duration matte from Sherwin Williams for most our bathrooms which has moisture and mildew blocker in it. Its a lot less money than Ben Moore Aura Bath and Spa.

[@jaadee596]

I saw a roller for ceilings that did the ceiling cut and a 1" wall cut at the same time.. roller with a kind of dome end w/matt . Time for a review by you??

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

Hi Jaa Dee. We've seen those rollers and used some similar to that. We'll put it on a list to review, thanks!

[@josefernandez2722]

I think I know why. I am not a pro. I am just a homeowner, and I think some of these paints are only available to contractors.

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

With Benjamin Moore retailers it's a bit spotty as far as what products they offer. Each store has quite a bit of leeway as far as which products they keep in stock. As far as I know anyone can buy Super Hide, but not every store carries it.

[@josefernandez2722]

@@SuperVassarBrothers thanks so much for responding I'll keep looking

[@user-ko6zw8tz5v]

Just curious as to whether you've used it on walls and how you'd grade it compared to say, ultra spec, or super paint, or any other brands cheaper paints.

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

I’ve used ultra spec. It’s decent. I’ve used a fair amount of super paint but mostly for ceilings when we couldn’t get Promar during the shortages. Super paint is ok for what it is. My go-to wall paint is Emerald matte right now.

[@Gensei-Kihara]

hi, i wonder if you can advise me? i have some imperfections on my bathroom ceiling, i'd like to paint over them to hide those imperfections, but i am worried that the shade wont match the existing paint that was already used by the previous tenant. i am disabled so i cant paint the entire ceiling to make it all uniform, i dont know if i am asking for the impossible here, but is there such thing as a white paint i can use on my bathroom ceiling that will allow me to just touch up the imperfections without it looking like two different paints were used? i also have some imperfections in the living room, so it would be super sweet if this paint would work on both rooms... am i asking for too much out of one product?

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

So you can get paint laser matched to the previous color if you have a piece of the existing ceiling to bring to a Sherwin Williams store. With the newer scanners they can often determine the sheen of the paint too. Usually when we do something like that we cut a small piece out and bring it to the store then repair the area. That might be out of your wheelhouse. Even doing that process you’ll probably notice a difference where you’ve touched up. That’s part of the issue with touch ups.

[@Gensei-Kihara]

@@SuperVassarBrothers ok cool, thank you for getting back to me, i'll give that a shot

[@jeredmattson9]

i’m gonna be painting my basement ceiling which is open floor joist with my Graco handheld sprayer. planning to go matte black; would you recommend this paint for that? pro mar in my area is like $80/gallon so this seems like a better alternative.

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

I"m not sure if Super Hide comes in Matte black. You could ask them at the store and see, and they may steer you to another paint that will be way less than $80. Good luck!

[@peterrabbit2719]

Jeremy, what’s the difference between commercial and residential paint? Thanks for your reviews.

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

A lot of commercial paints aren't available to the general public. Some of the commercial/industrial products have specific applications and can be challenging to work with if you don't know what you're doing. That being said, there are a lot of commercial products that are just low quality cheap paints that are sold to builders and folks doing production work. Often times a paint company will package a paint or primer in two different labeled cans. Same product, but one is "commercial" and one is "residential". I know this is a convoluted response, but sometimes there's no difference between the two and sometimes there are products that would only have a commercial application. To be honest, it's kind of a mess to sort out Sherwin Williams product lines. I've recommended certain products to people and then find out that it would cost them $80 a gallon cause they weren't a contractor. I hope this was somewhat helpful 😬

[@peterrabbit2719]

@@SuperVassarBrothers Thanks for your quick helpful reply. What city do you work out of?

[@josefernandez2722]

Thanks for the reviews. I have tried looking for 2 of your ceiling paints, pro mar and Ben Moore super hide, and have not found them. I'm in NY. Could it be that they don't have it in my region?

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

That is a distinct possibility. Promar ceiling paint is annoying, because I was unaware how Sherwin Williams priced it for non-contractors. It's stupid expensive if you don't get it at the contractor price, which I was unaware of when I made the review video of that product. Here are two alternatives for ceilings that are reasonably priced: Sherwin Williams - Superpaint Flat Benjamin Moore - Waterborne Ceiling Paint Good luck with your project!

[@josefernandez2722]

@@SuperVassarBrothers thanks so much for your advice I appreciate it

[@grislyflatlander9405]

With all due respect I encourage you to learn the BM product line before you do videos. Super hide is on the “low end” of the range even for ceilings. Ultra spec is a better choice IMO.Also, there are multiple regal sheens appropriate for bath/ kitchen applications at a lower price point than Aura bath and spa. Aura however is worth the price especially if a matte sheen is preferred.

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

Hi Grisly. Appreciate the feedback. With our experience with Ultra Spec 500, we much prefer Super Hide. The Ultra Spec splatters more and didn't cover any better than Super hide. We also did a video on the Waterborne ceiling paint, which has a nice finish, but splatters and the thickness slows down production. For overall performance and bang for your buck we like Super Hide the best when using Benny Moore for ceilings. If you like something else better thats great. We've worked with a bunch of different painters over the years and different crews will prefer different products. Have a good one and thanks for watching!

[@andrewingrassia1718]

Criteria for ceiling paint is different for other surfaces. It doesn't need to be as resilient as walls, for example. In my opinion, concern #1 when it comes to ceiling paint is the aesthetic, and from there its all about how well it applies and touches up (coverage, splatter resistance, etc). Super Hide Flat is just fine on ceilings - low or high end.

[@thec4ke]

UltraSpec Flat has angular sheen, even with the new formula. Superhide is much better if you're going the builder's flat route on ceilings, it's one of the handful of dead flats still out there. Though PM400 is still my absolute favorite.

[@DaveG-qd6ug]

how well does it spray on ceilings ?

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

We haven't sprayed with it, but I'm sure it would be fine. We like how flat it dries. Worth a try :)

[@lenfordenglish8981]

This super hide paint, is a paint and primer in one?

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

It is not a paint and primer in one. In general paint and primer do two different things. The joke in the industry is that paint and primer in one was invented by the marketing department and not the chemistry lab. Use primer when you need to and paint for your finish coats. Good luck with your project.

[@paulk.5521]

I have tried it. It has a grey tint to it. Not a super white.

[@patrickcullen2714]

It's like decorators white

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

Hi Paul, If the paint has the name "Super" in it, maybe they are saying its super awesome at hiding walls and ceilings. :)

[@patrickcullen2714]

When I started painting I used to get it for 8 bucks a gallon lol

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

Can't even get a quart for that now

[@shure46]

crazy isn't it ..... But I'll top that ..... In 1976 I bought a BRAND NEW Toyota truck for what a riding lawnmower costs nowdays ..... $3600 .... Brand New Truck ......

[@aftereffect4832]

Spray em and you won't need a brush. Only takes a touch more talent and a few less employees 👌.

[@SuperVassarBrothers]

Spraying does take talent, and a lot of tarping off in residential repaints