This vintage railway film details the origins, inauguration and capabilities of the London, Midland & Scottish Railways Coronation Scot express passenger train service.
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@siriusmicromaniac3 жыл бұрын
When ease of maintenance became more important than glamour the original streamlined ones were converted to conventional outline, and other class members built from then on also looked like conventional locomotives. Three of them survived into preservation. 6229 'Duchess Of Hamilton' was restored to its original streamlined outline a few years ago and can usually be seen in the National Railway Museum at York. It looks absolutely awesome. If you were a kid looking at one of these in the mid-late 1930s, this would be your idea of what a spaceship should look like.
@thesteelrodent179610 ай бұрын
the Railway Museum did a nice video about the coronation, and it is still a truly gorgeous engine
@Jonathantuba3 жыл бұрын
Those last couple years before WW2 were the golden age of railways in Britain - afterwards never quite matched again.
@TrevorMcGregger4 ай бұрын
I might even say one of Britain’s greatest golden ages
@nikolayvasylyev57387 ай бұрын
All the aesthetics and style learned by the British railway manufacturers suddenly disappeared when they started building diesels.
@brianhall85853 ай бұрын
For anyone thinking the locomotive was oil fired or fired with a mechanical coal feeder take a look at around 5 minutes in. The fireman is working hard with his shovel.
@jimharris93943 жыл бұрын
Who on God's Earth could have possibly voted this down? Someone who obviously has no concept of . . . . anything?
@wendellwhite57973 жыл бұрын
Aeronauts. Those that fly in aeroplanes hate trains.
@jimstrainsandstuff95393 жыл бұрын
Your second statement says it all Jim. Those types just sad little losers who can only bring others down and are not capable of building anything or giving praise as they see it as a form of weakness.
@jimharris93943 жыл бұрын
@@wendellwhite5797 not always true. I *LOVE* aviation, and own several flight sims. But trains have their own special magic too.
@thesickrobot69243 жыл бұрын
GWR fanboys
@MrStr8den3 жыл бұрын
@@wendellwhite5797 .. I like planes, trains and automobiles but ride a motorcycle!
@Offshoreorganbuilder2 жыл бұрын
In the clips of the coronation, notice how the soldiers and other service personnel lining the route are facing *away* from the crowd - not like today, when they have to be on the lookout for some nutter. Thanks for the interesting upload.
@bertsmith43643 жыл бұрын
It was in 1946 I rode on the footplate of 6220 at Euston
@Scotford_Maconochie2 жыл бұрын
Imagine the fuel consumption for Coronation Scot running at such speeds.
@Retroscoop7 ай бұрын
1:26 Now THAT's the way to achieve full employment... Tens, hundreds, thousands, ten thousands of bobbies and soldiers....
@RHR-221b3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, B B R. Stay free. R 💚
@neilhenry18602 жыл бұрын
The Coronation Scot was exhibited at New York Worlds Fair in 1939 and, due to the outbreak of WW 2 the spare trainset and locomotive were stranded in the USA in the care of the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad at their Mount Clare Shops in Baltimore. Although the loco eventually return sometime in 1942, the fate of the coaches cannot be determined. They were last known to be at a US army facility, in Indiana, as officers' accommodation. Their later fate is unknown.
@nikerailfanningttm9046 Жыл бұрын
You must have been high on drugs. The coaches were returned to the LMS after the war.
@neilhenry1860 Жыл бұрын
@@nikerailfanningttm9046 I don't understand your comment.
@Spankbucket3 жыл бұрын
I think the inter-cutting of Edward VIII's coronation was ironic. It seemed to be saying 'it'll be around for a short time and then gone but not forgotten'
@esmeephillips58882 жыл бұрын
George VI's coronation. Edward never made it. His younger brother would reign for 16 years before worrying and smoking himself into an early grave.
@nemo66863 жыл бұрын
Second-best to Mallard...
@DrivermanO3 жыл бұрын
Really? Don't think so! Mallard was specially prepared with a crack footplate crew. The LNER Pacifics were an older generation, 3 cylinder with complicated valve gear. The Mallard record was a one off, and couldn't maintain it. She actually nearly broke down on the return journey. Don't forget these Stanier designs were the basis of BR standards. Not Gresleys. Not saying the LNER Pacifics were no good, but I don't think you can say they were better - possibly equal, but its a fine judgement call.
@nemo66863 жыл бұрын
@@DrivermanO Not sure you can use "crack footplate crew" as a reason when the Coronation driver got an OBE, but speed isn't the only factor anyway: I was originally just going to say Mallard was better-looking, but figured I'd be more likely to get a rise if I made it more general. And looks are even more of a judgement call!
@DrivermanO3 жыл бұрын
@@nemo6686 Agreed - I agree with you! But not sure the connection between "crack footplate crew" and the OBE is direct. They chose the crew, then they got the record, then the driver got the OBE. Got the OBE for what he did, but not what they were before. But I've always wondered about the fireman - he must have worked brilliantly, and got nothing (so far as I'm aware). Good firing was a very important part of good engine performance.
@Paulie52UK3 жыл бұрын
@@DrivermanO No no, Mallard did indeed break down, the middle cylinder shattered as was the case with the A4s. Coronation almost came to grief after her brakes were found to be erm... wanting. She survived taking a curve much too fast.
@DrivermanO3 жыл бұрын
@@Paulie52UK When I said nearly broke down, I meant unable to move. I believe Mallard did manage to stagger on for some time, even with the shattered cylinder. She would still have had 2 left. I thought that steam engines slowing down was a combination of shutting off steam when the road demanded it and brakes - surely the crew would have known about the curve and taken the appropriate steps to control their speed without the excessive use of brakes. Perhaps the brakes failed to work completely, causing the problem.
@redbeard39233 жыл бұрын
When Britain was a country no divide in this country
@davidwhite4503 жыл бұрын
I don,t think streamlining made a great deal of difference in practice.The trainset as a whole looks absolutely superb.
@davidantoniocamposbarros75283 жыл бұрын
You're actually right. The streamlining in the Coronations were heavy and only there for marketing,thus why Stanier hated it
@lawrencelewis25922 жыл бұрын
It really didn't make much difference but streamlining was the thing back then. The Germans and the US both had streamlined engines. They looked great but were a pain to maintain. The German type 05 had enclosed drivers but they were accessible through roll-up doors on the sides of the engine.
@peterallam6494 Жыл бұрын
08/3 23, Stainer was'nt keen either saying it did little for performance & added an extra 5 tons to its weight. Streamlinning was something the advertising & marketing
@peterallam6494 Жыл бұрын
08/3 23, Cont ...marketing people were keen on. LMS & LNER with Gresley's A4s were rivals.
@gabetheborkingdog59853 жыл бұрын
With all the money they looted.
@lizlawrence45534 ай бұрын
Comment obviously written by some one of low intelligence. Obviously a lefty or dopy foreigner
@Uftonwood23 жыл бұрын
'An orgy of speed.' It was the Concorde of its day, an inspiring sight. Imagine the work done by the fireman to sustain 83mph for 150 miles. He would have started as an engine cleaner, the junior cleaner did the firebox, a dirty hot job. He worked through the links: cleaner, fireman, pass fireman, driver. And, if he was good and sound, for the last few of perhaps a 45 year career he would get to be a driver of these supreme engines on the premier trains.
@HelminthCombos3 жыл бұрын
Since this is a late 30's train it had oil vaporizer aka they didn't use coal any more, thus no fireman.
@Uftonwood23 жыл бұрын
Helminth: I’m no gricer, but behind that engine looks like a tender heaped with coal.
@daylightman84593 жыл бұрын
Wrong wrong wrong wrong! British engines still burned coal until the end of steam! Oil-burning steamers were failures in the eyes of engineers.
@redbeard39233 жыл бұрын
@@daylightman8459 defo there my dad was fireman first then a driver up shap fell told me the coal was sucked off the shovel going up their worked out of crewe North she.d 5a
@brianthesnail38152 жыл бұрын
I was thinking that too but its not just about shoving coal into the boiler like a conveyor but doing it just right feeding the boiler, not killing the fire, distributing the coal in the grate for maximum efficiency, not overheating, not wasting coal.
@stuarthall66313 жыл бұрын
What a fantastic video. Thank you once again! I am sure that there are many in the U.K. enjoying this material who are glad that there is also a taste for these in Australia!
@DrivermanO3 жыл бұрын
Super video. I've coincidentally just finished reading "British Locomotives 1925-1965" by O S Nock, which I bought in a local charity shop. I say read - well, looked at the pictures, and read the bits I understood, but it did say this service between 1937 and the war in 1939 saw the best London - Scotland service ever provided with steam. These were Stanier designed engines of the LMS, even though the Flying Scotsman designed by Gresley on the LNER seems to get all the publicity these days! Also a great engine, but these Coronation Scots were also superb.
@trek520rider24 ай бұрын
Apparently Stanier didn't think streamlining contributed much, possibly why they soon got rid of it.
@bryandavies65303 жыл бұрын
The sequence between 5.15 and 6.00 was filmed between Llandudno Junction and Colwyn Bay in N Wales. I can just about remember being taken down to CB station to see Coronation arriving - whatb a happy memory from the past
@KiwiGraggleАй бұрын
They really knew how to build stuff back then.
@satriar.listanto23983 жыл бұрын
greetings from 🇮🇩indonesia 🇮🇩 ... I am a fan of the legendary steam train ... !!!
@Selatanstres3 жыл бұрын
Mantap bang
@johnd88923 жыл бұрын
Also interesting that the ending got nationalised.
@waleedarif67403 жыл бұрын
Oh my word. As soon as I have just found out about ' The Coronation Scott ' for the first time in my life just moments ago, I though that it was an engine that was built in the 1960s, but it was built in the 1930s. It actually looks like a 1960s technology.
@philipperiopel191110 ай бұрын
Art deco style.
@nikerailfanningttm90462 жыл бұрын
by far the most beautiful British steam locomotive ever built: LMS's Coronation Class pacific. I am both a LMS and LNER aficionado but LMS's streamlining was by far way more beautiful than Gresley's "boxy" streamlining applied to the LNER A4s.
@bennickss15 күн бұрын
Reminder that these were built entirely by hand from pen and paper designs, no computer aid at all.
@JonAschenbrenner27 күн бұрын
I heard that 46220 almost crashed into the station on that run. She even scared Sir Stanier FRS crapless as well from what I've read.
@thesteelrodent179610 ай бұрын
the A4 may have been faster, but Coronation is by far the best looking. Beautiful engine from every angle.
@ivanreis15383 жыл бұрын
HÁ 83 ANOS ACONTECIA ESSA FESTA, DOS QUE NASCERAM NAQUELE ANO POUCOS ESTÃO VIVOS!!! GOSTEI DO VÍDEO, SOU APAIXONADO POR FERROVIAS!!!
@allanm62463 жыл бұрын
We are just a couple of years away from the centenary of the forming of the big four. Would be great if we could see Pendolino's in maroon LMS and Azuma's in LNER classic liveries for a time. GWR are already painted in the green of the original GWR.
@ianallen24903 жыл бұрын
LMS Crimson Lake please :-)
@avishekkushwaha91443 жыл бұрын
Wow what a watch. It's like travelling back in time and re loving those golden moment's again ❤️❤️❤️
@YugyStudios3 жыл бұрын
The recommendations are working fine again... for now. 😂 BTW, nice railfilm!
@nikirk1013 жыл бұрын
why did they remove the steamlining???
@dieterkind3 жыл бұрын
For better maintenance, I suppose. Also, during war and in post-war years high speed wasn't needed as requested for privilege before.
@jiversteve3 жыл бұрын
Interesting history but OTT. Not so many years later the railways were wrecked with WW2 abuse. They weren’t to know!
@billpugh582 ай бұрын
The newsreel is sickeningly sycophantic .
@stevedickson5853Ай бұрын
Not really, when Britain ruled the waves with an empire, what great times 👌
@CraigMilesYoutube Жыл бұрын
That's the coolest train I've ever seen ♥️
@Cleveland.Ironman3 жыл бұрын
Magnificent! Great engineering without CAD/CAM!
@p.istaker88625 ай бұрын
The narrative on this film must be one of Cholmondely-Warner's finest works !
@MarktheMole2 жыл бұрын
A thought: if the A4s had been on the LMS line and the Coronation Scot had run on the LNER line.. would the latter have beaten the A4's world record??
@peteryeadon9462 жыл бұрын
I've often thought that. It would of been fairer if the LMS, GWR and Southern had had a fair go on the same track as the Mallard, pulling the same tonnage at the drawbar.
@phaasch2 жыл бұрын
@@peteryeadon946 In the final days of steam on the Southern, Bulleid Pacifics were regularly being clocked over the magic Ton, and that was with full length trains on flattish gradients, too. I'd love to know what one could have done, flat out down Stoke bank with a modest load. They might have scoffed coal by the hundredweight, but those boilers had an incredible capacity for steam production.
@Nubfist3 жыл бұрын
Getting to the smoke box would be quite difficult
@bonzomcdrumcat49892 жыл бұрын
The front panel had a hatch that opened for easy access to the smokebox door
@davidantoniocamposbarros75283 жыл бұрын
Mallard: so anyways,i started speeding
@rogerredding52693 жыл бұрын
I wonder if a coronation Scot loco could have beaten A 4 Mallard's speed record down stoke bank with the same carriage load behind the tender and same weather conditions etc ☺️?
@davidantoniocamposbarros75283 жыл бұрын
I mean it's possible,but the LMS didn't did it so they wasted a chance
@ccaz10013 жыл бұрын
I’ve talked to a few enginemen over the years who used to drive the big Pacific’s. the general consensus was that the LMS duchess was the best of all and given the right condition LMS would easily have beaten the Gresley A4s.
@MrMoggyman2 жыл бұрын
My uncle Percy, top link locomotive engine driver on the LMS and later BR, fired on these streamline clad Princess Coronation Class locomotives. It was the dream of every young boy in those times to be a steam locomotive engine driver. Princess Royal Class locomotives were crap. Percy admitted it. Poor steamers, a real problem for firemen to raise steam. The Princess Coronation Class locomotives were devised by Stanier to overcome the poor steaming characteristics of the Princess Royal Class locomotives.
@alisdairmclean86052 жыл бұрын
If a machine can be described as sexy. This it!
@horacebachelor3 жыл бұрын
Tom Clarke looks like Hermann Goering at 6:06
@kinyou-no-hito3 жыл бұрын
このBGMだと完全に迷列車で行こうwww
@kaydensrailway55942 жыл бұрын
What was that 4-40 that ran in between Lion and Coronation? She looks rather smart, I'd love to find out more about her!
@railnaeroproduction6264 Жыл бұрын
The engine is called 1911 Coronation locomotives.
@johnd88927 ай бұрын
The class is of the LNWR George the Fifth Class : kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5LNgIx4rKaXY68si=NazQz0oX0nmkw2R_ Weird choice of music though.
@johnvincentmalilaytesta50723 жыл бұрын
#BennettBrookRailway
@mfaisalbhattimfaisalbhatti82622 жыл бұрын
very nice
@brianthesnail38152 жыл бұрын
That Coronation Scot run was all the more remarkable because it was pulling a full train of carriages too. It wasn't a special light train for a record run. Magnificent in every way.
@brianthesnail3815 Жыл бұрын
I just read on another channel that they put aniseed in the lubricating oil in the bearings so the driver would get a nasal warning if the bearings were overheating.
@yateendrasingh23693 жыл бұрын
Such a fantastic speed by a steam locomotive. I want to know how the water supply does to continue with this speed.
@danielf13133 жыл бұрын
Water is picked up at speed from special watering troughs using a retractable scoop under the locomotive
@howardlister97703 жыл бұрын
Good luck EVERYONE......look at this year and guv , god help us .....
@bitTorrenter3 жыл бұрын
3:43 - We're now down to 4 & 1/2 hours to Glasgow now.
@evanstj53 жыл бұрын
This patriotic film was made by the LMS in 1937, right? Then why is the "British Railways" (formed in 1948) logo on the end credit?
@BennettBrookRailway3 жыл бұрын
I guess they rebranded and re-released the film at some stage.
@Spankbucket3 жыл бұрын
I wondered about that too! Probably recycled in the '50's; but the end carried no date.
@geoffreyking16343 жыл бұрын
A duchess holds the record not mallard ,it was done off the cuff not set up with dynometer cars etc
@frostedbutts43403 жыл бұрын
..Then it doesn't hold diddly squat. Without verified measurements that's just talk.
@geoffreyking16343 жыл бұрын
@@frostedbutts4340 sir william never had trouble with his 3 cylinder scots & jubilees.
@davidantoniocamposbarros75283 жыл бұрын
A Duchess holds the power record,Mallard holds the speed record. There's a difference,dumbass