New Yamaha MT-09 (2024) | First Ride Review

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Updated for 2024, and celebrating its 10th anniversary, is the Yamaha MT-09 with subtle upgrades that when combined make for a dynamically different motorbike. We forced Simon Hargeaves to go and ride it on the press launch in Lanzarote.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro
00:20 Montage
00:51 Onboard commentary - model history
05:10 What's new pt.1
06:20 Quickshifter demo (0-100 test)
06:50 What's new pt.2
12:40 Riding position
13:20 Price
14:30 Verdict
19:43 Outro message and out take
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[@Thebertrus]

I've owned two MT09s and I have to agree, the engine is the reason. The power is in that sweet spot, where you go through the gears, fully engaged in the ride, unlike a super naked where you can lose your licence in 2nd or 3rd... It's so much fun, howls like a banshee when opened wide, and affordable to Joe Average.

[@Winterstick549]

I used to assume this channel was simply a way to promote an insurance company. I was wrong, you do a better job than the vast majority of magazines and KZbinrs.

[@aluisious]

Low competition. 95% of the morons (including this video) spend 80% of the time talking about a spec sheet you can look up on Yamaha's web page, then say "oh yeah man it handles well this year, and I like the engine." Idiots.

[@johnshropshire3399]

I liked the idea of a more relaxed riding position of the older bike .

[@yufoh7753]

I feel exactly the same. If you want a sports bike, i'd buy a sports bike, but these nakeds are about all round use and if you're doing 250 mile days out at times like me, you want more comfort, not to be squeezed up in a cramped position. The new MT09 is now lower on the shortlist of bikes that I'm interested in. Current no1 is the Suzuki GSX-S1000.

[@amococ2487]

Surely any naked bikes are not the way to go for 250 mile trips out.

[@mikes2270]

I bought a new 2023 MT09 last week for this very reason. Terrific bike and quite comfortable. Plus, it was US$2000 cheaper OTD.

[@Silenti620]

I regularly tour on my 2023 mk3 mt09. I can do 400 miles per day for a week with no discomfort. While still having a blast in the twisties and even on track. There was no need to make it sportier imho, it was a perfect balance for having only one bike.

[@aluisious]

Too relaxed. Everyone complained about it having a light front end. I do not want a bike that is "vague." I'll lean just a little bit to be planted. Somehow my Multistrada 1200S is very relaxed in the riding position and doesn't feel vague to me at all, but it was also $21k.

[@otlndsh]

Who else has been watching 2024 MT09 review videos religiously even with foreign languages?

[@jimbob5bellies]

Yeah. Getting my fix while I wait for mine to arrive. I hope it's March and not April! 🙂

[@512460]

Well skipped the foreign but yea.

[@Motoxlight]

Same ​@@jimbob5bellies

[@gizmangr]

me ive seen all off them

[@gigadolphin]

I watched all the ones in my native language. Now I'm watching these English reviews even though i dont speak a word of english

[@simonwalden131]

This is another superb review from Bennett’s. I have to say, I watch all the big players but Simon Hargreaves’s is in a different league. His technical knowledge is outstanding, he’s always entertaining and can pretty much ride the wheels off anything, the new Africa Twin ride was seriously impressive! I had an MT10 and adored the bike but if I were in the position to buy again this would be the pick, once the sp model comes out at least. Thanks for the video 👌🏻

[@writestuffmedia]

Thank you Simon 😁 Appreciate it.

[@MH-xd2nd]

@@writestuffmedia your reviews remind me of Kev Ash (RIP), always loved his reviews, articles and technical knowledge. It’s what bike journalism is sadly largely missing nowadays, all too often reviews feel like manufacturer specs regurgitated with gushing “influencer” hyperbole. We are getting your content for free, and that is not something to scoff at!

[@writestuffmedia]

@@MH-xd2nd Thank you, praise indeed. Did many a launch with Kev, always good to see him at the airport and we still raise a glass to him at the bar. I often wonder how he'd have got on with the video stuff - it makes new bike launches a LOT more stressful than they used to be. But he would've found a style to make it his own, I'm sure.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Well said. And there'll be plenty more of Simon in 2024 too!

[@stigweird3155]

Great review, well delivered!

[@tigerick7291]

Excellent review 👍 I must try one of these when they are available.

[@timrodierides]

More of Mr Hargreaves plz! I loved the F around find out curve

[@writestuffmedia]

Thanks Tim!

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Yep, thanks Tim

[@Grahamvfr]

Great review Simon, always a fun fun bike 👍

[@diggeronenineone7254]

Totally agree with you about that engine, I have 900 tracer and the engine will happly let you potter about if your in that frame of mind but still alot of fun if your out on a early Sunday morning blast.

[@pdbordelon]

Wonderful review, thank you!

[@1100andFortyEight]

Entertaining and knowledgeable reviewer 👍

[@writestuffmedia]

Thank you!

[@Shovelheadornothing]

I love the way it’s more sporty now and less standard and boring feeling.

[@Eastcoast_Rds]

Great vid

[@filipnosal864]

Peak review, as always. Also what is the song in the intro??

[@teneretraveller8980]

Amazing how things go gull circle. I remember the late great Kohn Robinson testing the XS750 and loving it. Here we sre again. Fabulous bike. Ride safe 👍

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks for that, Simon and John were of course great colleagues too.

[@teneretraveller8980]

@@bennettsbikesocial two of the greats. Motorcycle journalism never receives the recognition it deserves. Sadly.

[@RC-Rider-vlogs]

More importantly Yamaha is known for its reliability and longevity. Very responsive engine 👍🏽

[@the_zombie_ritual897]

best review of this bike yet - most reviewers arent really drilling down on what has changed and if and why its worth it or not

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks very much, Simon is certainly at the top of his game and we aim to offer the most comprehensive reviews possible from the limited amount of time we have on the bike at these events.

[@bajo]

Brilliant that cruise control is standard. Really impressed with how you remember, all of the stats while riding!!

[@bennettsbikesocial]

That's why we pay him the big bucks! :-) Simon's among the very best reviewers and we're proud to have him representing Bennetts BikeSocial with his riding and presenting ability. (He might give us a discount now I've ssaid that!)

[@Sunrazor]

Sorry to say this but if you want cruise control on an MT-09 you bought the wrong bike.

[@KjKase]

I'm buying it because it's sportier. Reminds me of my old 919, I put clubman-style handlebars on that and it was super fun. I hope the MT-09 is like a more modern version of that.

[@neilaldridge9261]

Great review and the only one I recall mentioning cruise control being an added feature to the ‘base’ model. My question is on the brakes which seem to be Yamaha’s Achilles Heel: does the addition of the Brembo radial master cylinder make the brakes good enough for road use? I’m sure the SP with its Stylema calibres will be better but I’m wondering if that bike will be worth the extra $$ over this unless you intend to ride 10/10 or on the track?

[@theydrewfirstblood7090]

Love the new look definitely doing a trade up

[@michael-om7bp]

Cool review mate. Come to North Carolina let's ride.

[@BigBlueadvetures]

Is this a comfortable bike for tall / big riders? I am 190 cm, would I be cramped for space and too far leaning forward?

[@astifcaulkinyeras]

My favorite bike styling wise was the Buell XB12S, so I'm glad I got a modern reincarnation of that with my new 2023 MT-09. This 2024 model moved too far into supersport styling IMO, though it has a nicer headlight.

[@jimmylau6388]

How's the vibration at the handlebar at various RPM?

[@skywayable]

Does it still have the 2nd gear power loss that the 2021-2023 bike has? Mine is a 2022 and below 7000 rpm 3rd-6th gear pulls harder than second gear does at same rpm's.

[@sural89]

as a 2023 mt09 owner do you think it worth the upgrade ?

[@nigelfisher3756]

Thanks for a superb review of the ever-improving MT-09. Although still no Italian stallion in the looks department, a definite improvement over the previous iteration. In terms of value, it’s excellent I’d argue. A comprehensive electronics suite, great riding dynamics, looks to be well built and finished; a bike you won’t regret buying after parting with the precious folding. Any concerns? I would have liked only half the foot peg dimension alterations; looks a tad cramped and sporting to me for longer rides. Can’t remember what you said about seat comfort, Simon, but I assume there’s reasonable padding provided? And that’s it, can’t say I’m enamoured with the colour options but they wouldn’t be a deal breaker.

[@writestuffmedia]

Cheers Nigel. We only did about a tankful on the launch ride, so I can't totally comment on the comfort in terms of a big distance - but we were on the bike for most of the day and I didn't feel cramped. But it IS - as Yamaha acknowledge - a more compact riding position than before. I would say it gives the rider better feel for the front end tbh. I *DO* remember riding away from the hotel first thing in the morning and thinking "Blimey, this fits just right" within about 20 yards.

[@user-dc2rl1kg8u]

Nice review thank you. I’m interested in your comment about the earlier generation being a bit more motard (long fork & higher steering head?) vs this one being more sporty. I loved that motard feel, I’m wondering if it lost some of that character that made the gen1 & 2 so much fun? E.G. Does more weight over the front wheel make it less forgiving of poor surfaces? Put another way; is more sophisticated actually more fun on the battered country roads we’ve been pushed out to by population growth?

[@susanboucher2116]

How many miles was the days test ride? No XSR900 GP yes though.

[@ahmadmajed8753]

Is it less comfortable than the gen 3 for commuting?

[@hunterhightower8977]

I’m really curious how the handlebars adjust. I know they’re 2 position adjustable for 2024 but none of the reviews have talked about how it will work

[@writestuffmedia]

Ah, good point, forgot to check that. I'm guessing it might be similar to the Tracer & you flip the bottom section of the risers round?

[@martinehulme8743]

Great bike, any ideas when they will do a similar update to the mt07

[@arsssis]

This looks great but waiting for the 2025 XSR900! (Assuming it’s being revised next year that is…)

[@aaronbryan5095]

Legit can't wait for the R9

[@jonathanmasterson3100]

How much you think it will cost? I’m in Ireland so thinking around €16k euros ?

[@gearjammer3688]

Do you spend anytime in the UK, is it worth buying a second home in that area to save on travelling costs?

[@almin9751]

This is the only bike I could think of if I remotely think of releasing my 2019 cb650r, the last gen was hideous but this one has all my attention. "Traction control makes an old man happy" guess I am already there LOL

[@thehowlingterror]

Simon H 👏

[@Banditmanuk]

Good review thanks. Love the engineering of the MT range and currently own an MT10. Why is it that Yamaha just cannot design a good-looking front end?

[@writestuffmedia]

I honestly don't know. Maybe there's a contract every manufacturer has to sign with the people who make the LED headlights, that they have to always look minging. Dunno why someone doesn't just make a pair of big, round headlights.

[@terryomara9403]

Great vid il weight for 1000 hornet see if puts a bigger smile

[@boywonderrr71]

I had to sell my 22 SP when I moved. Looking to get into a 24 sp but am curious of the riders triangle. Im glad they dropped the ape hangers but moving the pegs also dont know about that. If I can move them down again np. I have hip flexor issues and cant deal with the cramped riding style. Still want it tho.

[@MrDeepseadweller]

I wonder if the new riding position is because they are gearing up for the R9, based on the same underlying structure.

[@writestuffmedia]

I would say that's pretty close to being the reason 😏

[@Mr450pro]

No, it’s because every motorcycle journalist out complained over not enough weight on the front wheel and weak front end feeling. They just kept forgetting it’s a Hooligan bike and a everyday bike..and all they want is a track focused bike👎🏻 I’m glad I just bought a 2023 sp. the 2024 is not for me

[@gtewewrrrrrr]

@@Mr450pro Totally, for me also the previous 2021 is very good for comfort. Can ride all day with no issues, why I went for this bike. No shoulder pain which even my previous bike gave my, SV650 naked. More lean forward is not good for me. The front is somewhat vague because of this but still no issue, fun bike and pretty good on track too.

[@jackrichards1863]

MT01 was the bike that brought my attention. Naked cruiser and so on. This is a sweet bike but it's not the sort of motorcycle I will have any longer.

[@HumphreyvanLee]

That display, wow ... small. I would like one, sticking to my F900R for now.

[@devilmaycry383]

I have been riding the MT-07 since 2016, starting with the first-generation model. I intend to upgrade to a new motorcycle next year, specifically the new MT-09 SP. The refinements YAMAHA have made with the 4th generation MT-09 makes it an even better bike for the value.

[@pauls3696]

Looks mice but is it better than the 2023 not sure for me the resion i like bought the 2023 was the nice up right position. Still got the power of a sports bike but great for longer rides this seems more going towords sportbikes. Ive sold my R1 for this 2023 MT09 and megger happy with the riding position and power. We not allowed to go more than 100mph on uk motoways anyway and the power from the mt09 up to speed limit is just as fast if not faster than the R1. Basically if i wanted a racebike i would of stuck with the R1. The new 2024MT09 is nice but is the riding position better to me its about the ride yes got better bits on it like new dash satnav brilliant if you use it if you dont like the man in the review whats the point riding position does NOT look better than the 2023 and to me thats what its all about

[@Sunrazor]

Agree. The riding position is not an improvement.

[@MrAlexandrupascu]

I recently purchased the 2023 version. Do you believe there are substantial differences between it and the previous version?

[@writestuffmedia]

Not in the engine dept, not TOO much in the chassis dept - the suspension is tuned but it's not a massive difference... the riding position, switchgear and clocks are probably the main differences you actually see and feel. So I wouldn't call it a substantial change, but it is significant. Does that help? :-)

[@hiddendragon415]

Mostly small refinements that improve it slightly but essentially the same great bike. You can enjoy a more upright motard seating position, better for commuting and touring.

[@witchdoctor6502]

How about new MT09 vs KTM 890 SMT? I know it isn't exactly the same category, but also kind of feels like it is... Looks great can't wait to see it and ride one when my mates get them :D

[@writestuffmedia]

I rode the 890 SMT v a Tracer 9 GT a few months ago with RiDE magazine. I think the KTM has a more dramatic punch to its performance - it really pummels the tarmac - and I think the MT-09 is a slightly less... *manic* bike most of the time. The KTM really begs to be ridden super-hard and that's when its suspension and steering dynamic really works. The MT-09 is a bit more easy-going, or flexible, so you can doss about on it with more satisfaction. But it's also got an edge when you pull the pin. It's just not quite as much of a grenade as the KTM... in several senses of the word 😆 From a practical and ownership point of view, I'd feel a lot happier with a Yam tbh - styling is subjective but the Yamaha looks like a better finish quality; the KTM seems a bit plasticky to me.

[@witchdoctor6502]

@@writestuffmedia thank you for this. I'm waiting for more stable weather for test rides and keep this in mind.

[@Sunrazor]

Noooo. They removed the motard feeling on it :( It was a hooligan bike and looked freaking mean. Now it's a naked sportsbike that looks like they stole some headlight from Suzuki. If I was in the market for a naked sportsbike I can find so many better options. But if I wanted a motard feeling, playful sort of insane bike I don't even know what to get. It was unique. It's now mainstream.

[@Josh-ew1le]

You've rode it?

[@UFGgamings]

I'm really torn between an MT09 or a GSX-8S. Would you say the MT09 is now worth the extra money? I do love the cruise control but the GSX-8S is such a fun bike too, especially for the money. Would love your insights!

[@writestuffmedia]

Good question, but to my mind the GSX-8S is at the top end of the parallel twin streetbikes where it's a better machine than, say, Yamaha's MT-07. The MT-09 is playing a slightly upmarket game compared to the Suzuki - it's a significantly better spec in terms of electronics package (for a start, the Suzuki hasn't got anywhere near this level of sophistication, nor has it got cruise control), it's got better suspension, and it's a significantly more powerful motor. And it's more expensive. I love the Suzuki, but I think it's at the top of a different class of bike - the MT-09 is literally in a different league. If I could afford the MT-09, that's the one I'd buy.

[@gogomoto5936]

If you have experience, then mt09. If you are a beginner rider, then 8s..can't compare these 2 bikes..8s is in category with mt07 not mt 09. Good luck

[@dante8s]

I have an 8s right now and plan to buy an mt09 next year probably. Or r9 if that actually is a thing next year. 8s is great but for being a semi new rider I don’t need the extra power of the mt09 just yet. I would recommend the 8s. The Quickshifter is great, it’s comfortable, after tune and exhaust it’s even better.

[@UFGgamings]

@@gogomoto5936 well, I rode both. I rode a 21 mt09 and a 23 8s with tune and exhaust. I thought the 8s was more fun actually. The suspension was pretty mediocre on both bikes. The mt09 is very powerful, I'd be afraid to lose my licence. I also thought the rear shock was meh. I think the 8s is closer than most people think. Yes the mt09 is faster and has more electronic wizardry, but the 8s actually gets close if you want fun. I care about value for money and on that front, I think the 8s is actually better. I think over all, the '24 mt09 does appeal to me more than the '21 mt09. The better front end is what is most appealing, als well as cruise. I might have to spend the extra...

[@UFGgamings]

@@dante8s don't let anyone convince you that you need 120 horsepower ever. The 8s has plenty of poke. Especially if you tune the bike. You can get a lot more power out of it. I care about twisty road riding, not top speed.

[@MinimumGroceries]

0:29 is he holding a downshift?? Is this allowed ? Hopefully I’m not being an idiot but I don’t recall this being a thing

[@ISnortPixiStix]

I wonna!

[@nikos-giorgos]

Front could've been better designed, the rest is beautiful. If you go with Xsr, rear could've been better designed, rest is beautiful.

[@RikkyTang]

I know what you are saying about the engine Simon! I'm torn... I'd love that engine but I also want my next bike to have a fairing, so the XSR900 and MT09 are out, the Tracer 9 GT is too ugly to love and the GP is probably too sporty in terms of ergos. Argh 😂

[@writestuffmedia]

Hmmm... I know it's a bit pricier, but I thought the Tracer GT+ stepped up the paint finish a bit & looked much nicer than the GT. But yeah, for me a lot is riding on the riding position of the GP. Sat on it at the show and it didn't feel too radical - nothing like the the BMW R9T Racer or Ducati Sportclassic Paul Smart. So there's hope!

[@RikkyTang]

@@writestuffmedia The GT+ would still be a matter of head over heart... I know it would be a great bike to own but will I want to take pictures of it in the setting sun? Hmmm 😁Certainly planning a test ride on the GP when demos turn up the shops!

[@vaughanboyce3702]

Have they fixed the snatchy throttle in mode 1?.

[@writestuffmedia]

Long gone imo. The first MT-09 was pretty snatchy, but when I rode the 2023 bike I remember thinking, 'well, this is pretty good'. Didn't think about it at all on the launch, so for me it's 100% sorted.

[@hiddendragon415]

There is no snatchy throttle on the Gen 3 model

[@mrcintheuk4641]

Excellent as usual Mr H. I don't expect anything less from you now 😁👍. That is one ugly exhaust! 14 litre tank and playing with the engine would suggest it's primary function is a Sunday afternoon blast machine.

[@JMeyer-qj1pv]

How does it stack up against the new 2024 KTM 990 Duke?

[@writestuffmedia]

Not ridden it, but just looking at the spec it's a cut above the 09 in terms of price - it's nearly £3000 more (and that's before you add the quickshifter and full electronics). In performance terms it's closer - but I would imagine it's KTM's usual extreme Ready To Race headbanger and a bit more committed to ride than the 09. And to own in general.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Group test, anyone? The MT-09 SP, 990 Duke and Street Trip 765 RS, perhaps.

[@nigelfisher3756]

Sound mouthwatering…..@@bennettsbikesocial

[@yourhrbro]

New headlights look awful. The seating position isn't comfy anymore. I'm very happy with my 2022 mt09sp. I was considering to get new gen R1M, but with it's cancellation I don't see a reason to get mt10sp which isn't sporty enough and the new mt09 is just tuned down mt10. Sport is 22R1M, Comfort is 22MT09SP.

[@christwillems1777]

The first MT-09 was in 2013!

[@writestuffmedia]

Ahhhhh... maffs is hard again! :-)

[@goingfarwebb26]

Now imagine this bike on the shitty pot hole wet roads in the uk where we don't see the sun anymore 😅😮 i would live on a motorcycle if i lived in Canary Islands

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Couldn't agree more, and that's why the manufacturers choose the nicest roads to demonstrate their machines. The pot hole situation is getting worse and worse, don't you think?

[@leanit5756]

11:08 that's what she said.

[@nemerkha]

defo need the Tenere 900!

[@ethanduncan2831]

Top speed?

[@writestuffmedia]

Blimey, the closed road wasn't *that* straight :-) I reckon you'd be looking somewhere around 140mph if you could tuck in well enough. Realistically, 135-ish, flat on the tank.

[@ethanduncan2831]

@@writestuffmedia thanks

[@altonkriel]

Ive seen 155 in other reviews

[@gogomoto5936]

*119 bhp, I think..

[@writestuffmedia]

117.3bhp, 119ps (or metric hp), 87.5kw

[@markodorfy4376]

Na you get between 115 and 120 after a flash tune at the wheel

[@steve34416]

Great bike however stop making the front end like a crappy Kwaka

[@splodge5714]

Don't like Yamaha styling and the view from the riding position looks horrible. The colours are the finishing touch. No thanks.

[@chrisgraham9203]

And a face only a mother could love..

[@writestuffmedia]

...bike's not bad tho 🤣

[@jonathanyoungyoung1790]

par the course for all their other front ends

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Professional helmet-wearer!

[@ricardo6861]

Looks better

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Who does, Simon or Chad?! 😜

[@ricardo6861]

@@bennettsbikesocial 🤣🤣🙈

[@DB-sd3cw]

Again they stray further from what made the gen 2/3 bikes look unique. Whereas the gen 1-3 had a unique supermoto-ish appearance, this looks like a generic naked bike now, hardly different from a cbr300 or ninja650...

[@dariomladenovski7047]

because most peoppe love this line, the previous gen looked wierd to me, didn't like it at all

[@stevetaylor9265]

They fixed the headlight

[@martinhughes9769]

Looks for me ,no thanks it's terrible

[@ridingwithsam]

How do they continue to make them look worse with every variant? They peaked with the 2nd gen

[@MrDeepseadweller]

The 2nd gen (especially SP variant) look like a Picasso compared with Gens 3 & 4.

[@stevebonner9108]

What is with new bikes and the front ends, the headlights look crap and so does the whole front end. We need better lights not crap like them.

[@MH-xd2nd]

Part of it are the new regs that bikes must have a central (running? Or maybe low beam) light. It’s why so many bike headlights now have a central light with other lights arranged around them (new KTM headlight, 1300GS etc). The unfortunate side effect is that many brands seem to given their designer’s kids some crayons just after they finished watching Transformers. At least this one is an improvement on the previous MT-09. Just go back to building attractive bikes! Simon did mention the XSR900 for more traditional looks with the same engine.

[@pauljohnson1382]

I actually love the front of the MT series 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@MrFirstonraceday]

Seriously, it’s theSame forks on both xsr and MT09 bikes. Seems the round light from xsr could be bolted on the mt. Interchangeable?

[@stevebonner9108]

I prefer a proper looking headlight like on my 2019 MT07, I can't see how the little one can light up the road. The Suzuki V-Strom 800 is basically the same and Nathan the Postman says them light are crap at night. We just need more visibility and to be more visible. Some people ride all year around whatever the weather, lights are important.

[@Grahamvfr]

Yea I'm all for progress, but on naked bikes, I've yet to see a headlight that's more pleasing to the eye than a round one.

[@geoffz9]

First five minutes and 8 seconds wasted talking about the previous models. We don't care. We want to know about this one.

[@TIMHARTTT]

People who think the previous model was better looking have Stockholm syndrome apparently.

[@JoeStanek-vu7rl]

Put down the crack pipe Timmy.

[@TIMHARTTT]

@@JoeStanek-vu7rlafter you Joey.

[@prof.2248]

Good bike but looks ugly.

[@Evil.Turkey]

This looks awful

[@gogomoto5936]

There are a lot of people who don't like the mt09 look. I think this one looks ok. To be honest- for me, it is more important how rider feels riding this bike. That's why so many people like it. Because of the bikes' character. I still didn't find a bike that made me feel like this bike do.. I can't stop smiling every time I am riding mt. Regards

[@writestuffmedia]

@@gogomoto5936 I agree with both of you - yes, I think it looks... just enough with the whole Manga look already. So bored of it. But at the same time, when it feels as good as it does to ride, I can get past the styling because it's fricken awesome. I suppose that's what the XSR900 and XSR900 GP are all about - you get the triple motor, but with a decent look as well.

[@splodge5714]

Could never buy a bike that looks so bad no matter how well it rides. Horrible.

[@Evil.Turkey]

@@splodge5714 exactly