Trying a new format with no intro/outro for this one. How does it work for you?
@AdamHillikerLikesRobots3 жыл бұрын
I like straight to the point but watching on mobile the overlay with suggestions for further viewing came up over the end of the video which was weird. I think an outtro to prevent this would be nice
@BenVallack3 жыл бұрын
@Adam Hilliker Ah good point thanks!
@giri4043 жыл бұрын
Agree with Adam, it seemed like video ended abruptly.
@gcason23 жыл бұрын
Love your videos. Jumping right in was refreshing (so many channels have this “tell you what I’m gonna tell you-tell you-tell you what I told you” approach). But the ending was so abrupt I actually watched the end twice to make sure it wasn’t an error or my phone was glitching.
@wjcferguson3 жыл бұрын
Yep - do appreciate the absense of fluff and repetition, though the ending was a little over abrupt - just a couple of words to shut it down would have worked. By the way, I was browsing while building myself a nice (conventional) mechanical keyboard for the office, found your channel out of curiosity about how 40% keyboards, layers etc. worked. As a result, literally _while building_ my 'special' keyboard, I ended up ordering all the parts for a Ferris Sweep and am heading for a 34 key keyboard... It's all your fault and my wife may be having words with you.
@MrSean69193 жыл бұрын
I'm waiting for the video where he starts using steno.
@GagePeterson Жыл бұрын
Thinking this!
@sandrochove39643 жыл бұрын
your channel is very underrated. no one talks about things that you do and for me your vids are more valuable for me than any other kb channel. good joob, keep going like that man :D
@BenVallack3 жыл бұрын
What a lovely comment, many thanks!
@simensier3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, absolutely, what he said👆
@ekjfinn3 жыл бұрын
I agree thank you. Great production and quality as well
@injeolmi62 жыл бұрын
I agree! I really love this channel; I kind of want to try the new layout now. hzhaha
@gazehound9 ай бұрын
It's a misconception that QWERTY was designed to keep typewriter hammers from jamming. QWERTY evolved from an alphabetical layout folded in half. You can still see that in the middle and bottom alpha rows. That just happens to suck as a primary design choice for a keyboard layout.
@JanLunge3 жыл бұрын
what a timing i started switching to colemak dh last month so its really nice to see you choose it as an appropriate layout. I myself worked with the neo layout before that so i see a lot of similarities. My goal will be to be good enough with typing on qwerty that it is nice to use and now replace neo with colemak dh for my ergo keyboards. Your videos are always really informative and I like the perspective you give these very detailed parts of the keyboard and ergonomics ecosystem
@TechTekker3 жыл бұрын
Why did you decide to switch? I was under the impression you were using one of the Neo variations because it was specifically designed for the German language.
@JanLunge3 жыл бұрын
@@TechTekker exactly I just dont type much in german anymore so i noticed that the left keyboard half has the 3 umlaut characters(where i placed the special chars -/=) on it which will reduce the amount of keys i can use for shortcuts when using the right hand with the mouse. there are some smaller reasons as well but this is the main thing that got me thinking, I'm still working on the video about that
@bbb622053 жыл бұрын
@@JanLunge there‘s also PUQ adnw.de/index.php?n=Main.OptimierungF%c3%bcrDieGeradeTastaturMitDaumen-Shift
@SirProdigle3 жыл бұрын
Really enjoy that you've made this channel very much a journey into you trying these things out, rare to find videos like this on such niche topics while still being well produced!
@xohyuu2 жыл бұрын
Excuse me, then, what is the Angle mode of the Colemak DH layout? Пусть наш Бог хранит Украину. Миру мир! Cầu nguyện cho Ukraine và hòa bình.
@davidbcg2863 жыл бұрын
One of my fav channel here. I am also on Colemak mod DH and learning to touch type with it now. 30wpm... slowly getting there... Looking forward to the next video!
@BenVallack3 жыл бұрын
Thanks great to hear that! 30wpm is a good start for sure!
@Sebastianimator3 жыл бұрын
Short and sweet, I like it! I have also changed to Colemak DH earlier this year and enjoy it. The only flaw that I see with it is that it definitely feels like my right hand is doing the majority of the work. I just recently soldered in per key backlighting on my Corne LP and enabled the typing heatmap display too, which reinforces this feeling as my right half is always more lit up than my left half.
@BenVallack3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Interesting findings, I felt the opposite with Workman so was pleased to bring things back to my dominant hand a bit.
@nickgoogle4525 Жыл бұрын
Yes, that is true. I wonder why not more people talk about the shortcomings of Colemak (less rolls than "advertised", too much work for the right hand, higher SFB than alternatives...) When I learned my custom layout (which was similar to Colemak, because using the same assumptions) I noticed that also. Therefore I ditched it and created a new layout which I think is much better than any Colemak variant. I have chosen to build on a variant of AdnW (Xoy) and modified that to my needs for English, German and Dutch. Then all keys move, but so what. Learning Colemak with about 17 keys changed is already an effort and the extra effort to learn all 30 keys new is not that large in comparison IMO.
@lazyyfox79143 жыл бұрын
I once used colemak for a few years, but after enough annoyance with keyboard shortcuts, switching back to qwerty at work, and keybinds in games. I switched back to qwerty. I feel like the greatest benefits I gained from colemak was learning how to type properly rather than the actual layout.
@BenVallack3 жыл бұрын
Interesting, keyboard shortcuts (and passwords!) are one of those unexpected gotchas for sure!
@SantiagoCorbalanH3 жыл бұрын
I`m looking forward to your next videos about this. Don't forget to include the impact of this change to your reduced keyboard layouts with 36 keys and such. I really hope to learn a lot from that.
@BenVallack3 жыл бұрын
Yeah 36 keys has a lot to do with the ease of learning it I think. Thanks!
@derekdwhite3 жыл бұрын
1) I heard once that the "hammer jamming" was a myth; apparently the guy who came up with the typewriter just wanted typing to be an elitist thing, so he made it hard to learn. 2) I spent some time applying machine learning to keyboard layouts earlier this year; the project isn't done yet, but I already think finger travel and finger jamming (too much movement with one finger for back-to-back keystrokes) on my layout are both significantly improved over both Colemak and Workman. If you'd like to try it out, I'd be happy to share my Moonlander file (probably only the first layer would be of interest)!
@crix_h3eadshotgg9922 жыл бұрын
Oooh this sounds interesting. Can you send a link?
@AJ23mady Жыл бұрын
Lol whoever told you that was fucking with you
@giri4043 жыл бұрын
Hi Ben, love the video as always. I have few questions 1. Can you provide any tips (that help the transition) for people like me who are considering to switch to a better layout? 2. Will you do a follow up video on your experience with this new layout and compare all three 3. You are awesome man! This is really an underrated channel. I wish you good luck in achieving million subs
@BenVallack3 жыл бұрын
Yes, there are 5 more videos following soon (editing at the moment) looking at tips, pitfalls, tools, software, hardware and more! Thanks so much.
@giri4043 жыл бұрын
Awesome 🙌. Appreciate you answering my questions and can't wait for the upcoming videos.
@onepunchman44813 жыл бұрын
I actually did my own research and made my own personal keyboard layout that's inspired by both workman and halmak. The best alternative from qwerty is the one that works best for you.😏
@BenVallack3 жыл бұрын
Awesome, yeah definitely agree.
@leoryzap2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for talking about how you managed to learn this while working a job. Most videos on this tend to leave that out
@BenVallack2 жыл бұрын
No problem! Yeah important to manage expectations there.
@yannickzhang61023 жыл бұрын
Literally yesterday I configured my Atreus to use only 36 keys and Miryoku layout. It is based on Colemak-DH. If someone who is interested, I can send a config file. For 5 column Corne and Gergoplex, Miryoku is an easy-to-use and scientific layout to start with, then each person can adjust their own needs 😄
@mateowoetam3 жыл бұрын
Nice video, I myself got into alternative layout a year ago and dit know which to learn, after some exploring on the internet I found Halmak, designed in 2016 assisted with AI it looked great, tried it, liked it and now after a few months I'm at 90% my original speed, still improving slowly. :)
@TechTekker3 жыл бұрын
Ah, I was waiting for this video :) I got my Moonlander about four weeks ago and decided to switch to Colemak-DH, since my muscle memory going from staggered to ortholinear required readjusting anyway. I'm now at 75-80wpm and I haven't any regrets about the switch. I eagerly await your upcoming videos continuing on this subject! Tips for maintaining moderate proficiency in QWERTY would be nice. I find that continuing to use QWERTY on my laptop keyboard helps keep the muscle memory separate and it's a pretty instant readjustment.
@valethemajor2 жыл бұрын
how are things going? I'm currently at 40wpm with ANSI and I'm eyeing the Moonlander. Started a week and a half ago.
@TechTekker2 жыл бұрын
@@valethemajor it continues to be incredible. I'm down to a 36-key layout, still on Colemak-DH, with 100WPM on a bad day and 120-130 on a good one. The only thing I would say is that there are much cheaper DIY options once you get down to 36 keys, some of which are showcased on this channel.
@valethemajor2 жыл бұрын
@@TechTekker seems to be the trend with everyone I've spoken to about their ergo or moonlander - swapped to a smaller board! I'd rather not do sautering tho, sounds delicate and frustrating and heck dunno what the tools cost or what software I'd use to code it haha. Would prefer the streamlined experience at least at this stage in my journey.
@TechTekker2 жыл бұрын
@@valethemajor just to be clear, I'm using a 36-key layout, but still on the Moonlander! The fact that it has so many keys allowed to me slowly and comfortably get to this point, which was brilliant. And yes, the Oryx interface is simple and easy, but powerful nonetheless. Whatever split ortholinear keyboard you choose, you'll certainly be happy :)
@valethemajor2 жыл бұрын
@@TechTekker Oh yeah I guess there's some advantage of flexibility when you have more keys.... Wow, awesome! I am not as concerned over the investment anymore then. Are you using whatever you chose for default switches or have you swapped your keys around at all?
@benlu3 жыл бұрын
I tried learning Dvorak, Colemak, workman at one point, but then I realised that 90% of the gains come from moving the n e and t keys to the home row. So I ended up making my own keyboard layout because it's so much easier to stay close to qwerty and just have a few key changes
@BenVallack3 жыл бұрын
Awesome yeah that is a good approach for sure.
@josboersema13523 жыл бұрын
Perhaps that is the way to go, if you are already used to Qwerty for years and are good with it. I found it difficult to fully change to Dvorak, to the point where you start to wonder if it is worth it. I did fully change over, but it took me years. Do you have any sort of pain in your hands ever, after doing a lot of typing in your new format ? That strain caused me to want to ditch Qwerty. I never have any strain in the hands now that I type Dvorak. If this worked for you, I guess it's definitely the way to go. Changing a few letters must absolutely be something you can do in a few months or so. Perhaps even start with just one letter, then another, then another. Keep the flow going.
@benlu3 жыл бұрын
@@josboersema1352 Oh I don’t recommend changing your layout often, it’s definitely easier once you’ve done it once, but every time you make a mistake you go from 100wpm to 20. I learnt that despite being on the home row, the pinky is a terrible finger to use, use your stronger fingers more often rather than prioritising the home row
@josboersema13523 жыл бұрын
@@benlu Absolutely. Right pinky finger is a complete mess on a standard keyboard, it couldn't be worse. It has 10 additional symbols to do. That's why I'm using a 40% with my own layout, and relief all that pinky stress. I'll just carry my keyboard along, don't even dare barely look at Qwerty. Put Dvorak on phone too. Don't want to activate those old neural pathways ;-). One trick I do is when I make a mistake, I don't just correct it, I go back a few words for additional punishment, and to properly get it right. Key to good typing is a low error rate. Some guy with an insane speed said so.
@BenVallack3 жыл бұрын
@Jos Boersema you will love the next few videos!
@Hector-bj3ls3 ай бұрын
Considering I never learned QWERTY I should be okay. I made up my own finger positioning system because it felt super awkward to use touch typing on a traditionally staggered keyboard. I'm about to start my journey into columnar keyboards, so I figure it's a good time to switch layout too and actually learn to type properly.
@RykerFreegeld3 жыл бұрын
It's official. You're the Internet's new keyboard guru.
@wowsuchhandle18 күн бұрын
I used colemak-dh for a month and i loved it but it makes it hard to use other peoples computers so I went back to qwerty and it made me realize how bad the qwerty layout is.
@AmitGold003 жыл бұрын
The video inspired me to start learning colemak dhm on colemak.academy - the only site I found which had both colemak dhm specifically and a on-screen keyboard. Let's see if I stick to it :D
@jammies7012 жыл бұрын
Fantastic topics and quality
@pratamamp3 жыл бұрын
Shucks that i don't think I have the commitment to change layout, I'm too far in. I guess I'll start with the dactly manuform for otholinear and start from there! Thanks ben for inspiring me to build a split otho board!
@skyhappy3 жыл бұрын
Start with the iris it is probably more friendly
@pratamamp3 жыл бұрын
@@skyhappy already built the DM and so far, it's not as bad switching from staggered to it. Maybe because of the sculpt nature of it, makes it easier to find where stuff are
@999samus73 жыл бұрын
Knowing that this will be a series of videos makes me happy, weird that you didn't come across with dvorak first, or did you? If you did, the reasons why you didn't pick dvorak could be used for another video :) but thank you so much for this Ben, it's always appreciated to hear from someone their experiences with alt keyboard layouts.
@BenVallack3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Dvorak looked like a bit of a headache and I think I saw that Colemak beat it in a lot of metrics too.
@999samus73 жыл бұрын
@@BenVallack fair enough, thank you for your response.
@justaregulargamer73143 жыл бұрын
Still using the gergoplex, or are you rocking something else. Whats ur top 3 split keyboards?
@BenVallack3 жыл бұрын
Yep still on GergoPlex. I only have 3 split keyboards so they would be all I can comment on at the moment! (Moonlander, Corne and GergoPlex)
@alexsepelenco99023 жыл бұрын
Clormak mod DH is a fantastic keyboard typing on it is surprisingly faster since you don't need to move your fingers much
@riffsontwowheels5 ай бұрын
I switched to Colemak via the ZSA web site and for the life of me I cannot find 2 things, one the ? and two, the switch level key(s). These are explained by ZSA for the default QWERTY layout but it seems like other layouts were created by users without complete explanations of where things are. or?
@AdamHillikerLikesRobots3 жыл бұрын
I switched from Workman at 60wpm when I realized some of the keystroke combinations were still uncomfortable and am now around 50wpm on colemak dh and already absolutely loving it. Feels so much more....flowy? I found with both layouts a serious plateau of speed increase rate around 40-50 wpm but it seems like you've avoided this - do you have a toolset and drill regimen you use that gives you a more constant rate of improvement? Cheers!
@BenVallack3 жыл бұрын
Yeah stay tuned for a detailed look at the some of tips and tricks to keep the progress moving.
@frzen2 жыл бұрын
What speed are you at now?
@AdamHillikerLikesRobots2 жыл бұрын
@@frzen me? I'm averaging in the 70s now with spikes around 100-110 if the words are common enough. I find I still have to think about certain letters sometimes but mostly the muscle memory is doing well. I do go into qwerty occasionally when working on a laptop so I'm keeping both in my brain which is nice
@frzen2 жыл бұрын
@@AdamHillikerLikesRobots yes, thanks. I am thinking about switching and liked your flowy description
@jeekakrishna2 жыл бұрын
I did same and i am very happy
@Spectarium2 жыл бұрын
just switched to dvorak myself and I am enjoying it so far but still have a long way to go till i'm back where I was with qwerty
@akhyarrayhka40482 ай бұрын
using dvorak is a game changer for me
@BenVallack Жыл бұрын
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@dewijones923 жыл бұрын
great video. Could you possibly post a video of you typing some code possibly please? Just wanna pick up some tips :D
@BenVallack3 жыл бұрын
Great idea, that would be fun! Added to the road map!
@Nostravinci3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Ben! Your videos are very helpful. Are you using Colemak-DH for a matrix-like keyboard (formerly known as Colemak-DHm)? Looking forward to more videos on this, as I will be moving to Colemak-DH matrix on my Moonlander.
@BenVallack3 жыл бұрын
Yep, that DH/DHm is totally confusing!!
@amcks3 жыл бұрын
Just wanna say thanks for these videos. You convinced me to make the jump to try out both a 36-key setup on my Planck, as well as a colemak dhm layout, and I'm really appreciating the change, especially the reduced strain on my fingers. I'm actually starting the transition to stenography, first for normal writing, and eventually for coding. I'm hoping that it will improve my workflow and reduce finger strain by making use of chording techniques. Any opinion/interest in stenography?
@BenVallack3 жыл бұрын
You’re very welcome! Yeah very interested in testing out some things with steno type chording etc for sure!
@EduardoRodriguezRocks17 күн бұрын
the slowest I go is when keys are close to each other, using the same fingers is slow
@ar3568row4 ай бұрын
wouldn't this mess with the VIM shortcuts, like h j k l are not longer ideal for moving now with this layout
I wonder if you are also into minimalist zero drop shoes
@BenVallack3 жыл бұрын
I didn't think I was that predictable 😂 I have worn Vivobarefoot shoes exclusively for about 5 years now. I keep meaning to do some videos on them.
@alpacamale29093 жыл бұрын
@@BenVallack hahah I knew it. I will be waiting for that video.
@gyattrizzV Жыл бұрын
learned dvorak for a year then my right pinky started to hurt once i was around 100 wpm so basically I already can type about 100 on qerty but i dont use the home row and that is fine because my hands dont hurt so whatever it was kinda anoying although it was pretty comfortable
@karanabraham7906 Жыл бұрын
How do you use vim with the new layout? Don't you lose home row keys for navigation? Or did you remap?
@Ahduciekwndnbbbsvvvghhhyyyyy7 ай бұрын
It’s been some years. Do you still use colemak-dh?
@BenVallack7 ай бұрын
Nope - I changed to ISRT. But there are lots of fascinating new super optimised layouts out there.
@drarn963 жыл бұрын
I would like to test it in ISO distribution, however, I am not sure where the "ñ" is going to be placed. If someone finds any resources about this, I will appreciate it.
@Mo.Faried3 жыл бұрын
This looks awesome. The only question I want to ask is whether planck ez is enough for all purposes or not? I tavel alot and I want the smallest and most efficient keyboard for programming in Javascript.
@BenVallack3 жыл бұрын
Absoultely enough, more keys than I felt I needed in fact! It’s one of the best options for the ’If I could only have one keyboard’ question.
@Mo.Faried3 жыл бұрын
@@BenVallack It has been a week now since my planck arrived. It was the best decision I have ever made. I took around an hour to reach my usual typing speed which is around 70 wpm. And kept optimizing it coding and tried like 12 different layouts for the whole week and finally reached the optimal. Typing has never been that comfortable on a keyboard. It is awesome!!
@BenVallack3 жыл бұрын
Awsome! Yeah they are very good keyboards.
@Zeioth2 жыл бұрын
Hey! I find myself in the same spot you were on this video. I've been using workman for a bit more than 1 year, and I can reach 85 wpm quite comfortably. But surpassing 100wpm feels pretty hard. How it's been your ColemakDH experience so far in this time? Cheers.
@BenVallack2 жыл бұрын
I switched to ISRT which is even better imo!
@untype3 жыл бұрын
Ben, Thanks for the video. I wanted to ask your advice. If you weigh the ergonomics of the DH mod against the Windows installation difficulty for employees locked down by their IT/Sec depts, do you think it's worth learning the DH mod vs learning vanilla Colemak which can easily be installed in Windows as an input option. I've installed the "big bag" but can't get DH on my work laptop. Thanks in advance.
@BenVallack3 жыл бұрын
Interesting issue, vanilla Colemak is going to be way better than Qwerty so it has to be better than not doing it at all. I never started with normal Colmak so can’t really comment on that.
@BundahStorm3 жыл бұрын
Love the videos! I just bought a moonlander! I was wondering if you made any changes to make colemak better for vim? I feel like not having h,j,k,l for movement on home row is not desireable
@BenVallack3 жыл бұрын
I modified my vimrc for that actually, if you google it there are some tips. Basically remap hjkl and then put mnei somewhere else whithout causing a knock on effect!
@BundahStorm3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the quick reply!
@kyanyang960172 жыл бұрын
What’s your config with vim tho? hjkl to me seems like a problem
@bangs_edit3 жыл бұрын
Sorry to hear you spent all that time on workmen just to switch to another layout
@DreymimadR3 жыл бұрын
W00t, you showed my old Workman-off-its-rocker topic! ∩(◕‿◕。)∩~♪
@BenVallack3 жыл бұрын
Heh!! Good post!!
@DreymimadR3 жыл бұрын
@@BenVallack It's a bit pointy, that one, I do admit it. I was riled by the arrogance of Bucao. Apparently, according to him fingers store kinetic energy like springs...? And yet, we still get lots of people new to alt layouts who fall for the advertising of Workman (and Norman) as so brilliant and certainly better than Colemak... Ugh.
@stefanhansen58822 жыл бұрын
Interesting. What was your QWERTY speed? Thanks.
@BenVallack2 жыл бұрын
80ish I think, it’s been so long!
@jhoravi13 жыл бұрын
Next: From Colemak to Plover
@BenVallack3 жыл бұрын
Haha yeah my interest is there! Might be a step too far though!
@vanhetgoor2 жыл бұрын
Will I ever get used to it, no I won't, as long as there is Qwerty I will keep on using it. We can't have a organised society without Workman, and Coleman are very useful when you want to keep warm during winter, but let them keep their unwashed hands from my keyboard.
@BenVallack2 жыл бұрын
😂
@giabao-9 Жыл бұрын
0:14 name keyboaed ?
@alexkuiper1096 Жыл бұрын
I think it's going to take me more than 18 hours.
@HyPeDCommando Жыл бұрын
What is the keyboard shown?
@juampyvarela Жыл бұрын
Question: I'm currently transitioning to Dvorak and I'm still in early stage. I already find really weird that the F is so hard to reach, specially when coding (considering for, foreach, etc start with F 😕). I don't know if this is bc I'm still using a staggered kb (I'll have a sofle58 in a couple of days and will be able to test this) or if it's the layout's problem. Does anybody have recommendations? Maybe trying another layout? I don't want to end up trying multiple layouts, loosing interest and going back to qwerty.
@BenVallack Жыл бұрын
I would jump on the alt keyboard layouts Discord and see what they suggest over there. It’s the cutting edge of amazing layouts over there! discord.gg/J6d7kjjUDp
@calebreetz2 жыл бұрын
What was your WPM before going through the whole keyboard process?
@BenVallack2 жыл бұрын
About 80 if I recall!
@calebreetz2 жыл бұрын
@@BenVallack awesome, thanks for the videos and relying, you have some great content!👍
@mechantl0up10 ай бұрын
Looking Colemac as a non-English speaker, it looks hardly better than qwerty. It also has low prominence keys placed at high prominence places, only differently to qwerty.
@BenVallack10 ай бұрын
Yeah if you're not using English there will likely be better layouts
@christophzika15733 жыл бұрын
how do you download colemak dh?
@karuresu2 жыл бұрын
how you handle these layouts in iPhone? any app that offers the layout plus word prediction?
@BenVallack2 жыл бұрын
Not that I know of on iOS - there is xKeyboard though which works quite well for the layout. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJPLnol8mZachKc
@karuresu2 жыл бұрын
@@BenVallack I still miss the suggestions and autocomplete there. I was thinking that a mobile keyboard should have only 2 or 4 keys and the software should be able to predict the words or offer suggestions. Two fingers don't offer that much. If I could find a nice library to get the suggestions and learn from user typings I would implemented myself
@Seefood733 жыл бұрын
Oh you lucky bastards, fancy typists with your one language... For me if I rap my keyboard I'll have to re-learn a new mapping for Hebrew as well, and I bet it would be far from optimized... Sadly this means I'll have to stick to QWERTY.
@hammockguy Жыл бұрын
man, you need to speak a little bit slower
@heisenballs11 ай бұрын
I would love an updated video on this, I saw in later videos that you had switched to IRST, and was wondering why? I'm using colemak dh and have found it to be great!! The one key pair that I don't like is 'ke' maybe its because of my little tiny baby hands.
@BenVallack11 ай бұрын
ISRT seems to be a level up from Colemak - I love it.
@leave-a-comment-at-the-door Жыл бұрын
Idk where is best to ask this, but I heard you got to 100 wpm in 18 hours; I'm about to break 100 hours and I still can't seem to get above 60wpm on english 5k for a minute (when I started practicing, I was maxing out around 40wpm). do you or anyone else have any tips I could use? it seems most of my problem is with accuracy; when I type a word with three characters in a row with left right left or right left right, where the duplicate hand is using the same finger both times, the middle one always seems to not get in the middle so I have to spam backspace and retry. (I grew up on colemak so that's words like "were" or the use in because, they tend to come out like weer or wree and becaues or becasue)