Best and Worst 0DTE Options Strategies | Zero Days to Expiration Crash Course Ep. 1

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[@richardbaxter7343]

love it guys! I trade 2% of my overall capital on 0DTE and the results for the past month have been highly encouraging (25'th Jan to 24'th Feb) I trade credit spreads/Condors and my goal is to make 10% of my BPR (E.g 50 for 500 used) and I'll sell later in the day. I put on multiple positions on either side and aim to make USD 200 per day. I've put on 50 trades during that time with 2 loses. Extrapolating this out over a year bodes very very well.

[@Karolina_Borkowski]

Same

[@turboaram1970]

Had similar results so far selling spreads. Selling later in the day def seems to be the way to go to get an idea of general direction and sentiment for the day. I lost on the Tues they mentioned mainly because I FOMO entered shortly after open expecting a rebound and sold too close to atm

[@fristene]

When you say later in the day, would it be after 11am? What kind of Delta would you be doing though?

[@jdcolley]

@@turboaram1970 I agree with waiting for some initial movement. There is surprisingly minimal theta decay between 8am (PST) and 11am. Specifically with institutional manipulation, the current frequent fed and CPI data, waiting for overall sentiment makes a lot of sense.

[@johanneshunting4896]

Do you enter your trades with a static approach?

[@fuzzyboomboom9742]

These tasty studies are interesting but they usually don't reflect how real practitioners are trading. Trading Odte options is a scalper's game, and scalpers are using TA, order flow data, etc, and are not blindly entering at the open, but are entering based on TA, or entering around known scheduled news events, etc. One thing you'll never hear Sosnoff talk about is TA.

[@morphoabassor]

well TA is astrology. it doesnt mean shit. just last Thursday SPY was up 0.80% at open then down for the rest of the day 1.20% the made a come back and was up 0.80% and closed + 0.52%. now explain how your astrology could have predicted this. Friday they tanked market 1.20% in premarket and spend all day down between 1.20 and 1.60% and closed down 1.3% with some attempt of reversal. most astrology guys lost money on Friday thinking market will have a comeback just like Thursday. just admit it. astrology is luck . it gives you little and takes from you a lot

[@fuzzyboomboom9742]

@@morphoabassor you are ranting about astrology, which is your analogy, not mine. So explain it to yourself.

[@stevezak3805]

Ok. Interesting, but what is TA?

[@cluggyahoo]

​@@stevezak3805 Technical analysis

[@Zorkmid123]

Tom Sosnoff has talked about technical analysis before and he is very skeptical of it.

[@ruthlessluder]

If you trade ATM the last 10m and you're directionally right, you can easily make 4 or 5x your investment.

[@nevinkuser9892]

That's true and a very interesting topic of discussion. Only problem is it's inconsistent because a lot of time volume completely dies and you lose your entire investment. In the long term you will need a better strategy.

[@cosmo1kramer]

Markets have changed. Not so easy with last 10 mins anymore

[@day_night]

what is it ATM?

[@gorillatrading5452]

​@@day_night At The Money. If something is trading at 305, you are buying ATM when purchasing the $305 strike.

[@YourUncle8501]

To day trade 0dte In my experience ultra discipline is key: -Trade very short periods of time.

[@YourUncle8501]

Also -never risk more than you're willing to lose -trade highly volatile and high volume days ie known events (fed speech, economic data release)

[@markc7731]

0DTE is one of the tools I use in my daily trading day. I realize this is the first episode but being someone that has used 0DTE trades over an extended period of time, new comers need to be award that a 0DTE is not a static trade. That's what makes them so difficult to back-test and model. I use them by selling premium in a swing trade fashion by fading past action. I generally don't enter before 10:30 EST and get out before 3:00 EST. I use verts and proper sizing to manage risk. All-in-all, this is not for the part time trader. 0DTE is only for screen zombies.

[@sergiomiragliotta4908]

What do you mean by static trade?

[@tlmarcott]

@@sergiomiragliotta4908 Probably means placing a trade like 30 DTE and let it ride to expiration if it makes sense. Swing trading is semi-static. You don't have to manage some trades minute by minute.

[@ricomajestic]

@@sergiomiragliotta4908 It means that if you blink you might be down 1000s of dollars when trading 0 dte unlike a static trade were nothing changes for weeks or even months!

[@aaronsarinana1654]

Managing risk is key

[@markc7731]

@@sergiomiragliotta4908 On a longer time frame you might put on a deep IC and just check it on a daily basis. I find I have to manage my 0DTE trades actively. I mostly decide on a market direction and sell verts the turn worthiness in a short period of time. Sometime, ha ha, I get it wrong and have to do things like buying down the spread and sell the other side for offset. My point being that it takes an active approach that is difficult to back test.

[@candyflip6345]

0DTE's are great until they arent. I like to scalp them with a tight trail stop if a big move is coming. The faster you can get out of the trade the better off you are.

[@thenomadtrader1142]

The best profitable way to play 0dte is scalping short after the market goes vertical every morning at open after gapping up every morning. Just jump in for 3 mins on the downturns, literally 3 minutes only during the downturn which is usually only 50 cents to a dollar before a scamdle and SPY continues to pump. Also play 0dte calls at open everyday right alongside the scummy hedgefunds while they manipulate the markets. Small position size only & welcome to the casino degens 🎰

[@BrokerBarbara119]

I’ve been waiting for this! Thank you both!

[@charlies8282]

They’re wrong about retail being the reason for increase volume in 0dte. Regular people do not have the volume to move the needle at all. t’s actually institutions that have switched from 30 days hedging to daily hedging now with daily spx options. This accounts for the large swings we’ve been having intraday. It has also caused VIX to no longer accurately represent volatility intraday

[@backiasara]

What is daily spx options?

[@germaninvasion121]

@@backiasara stop trading ape Get a job at mcd

[@starbolin]

​@@backiasara Under the ticker SPX is a calender of option chains. There are chains expiring each day of the week. These option are cash settled european style contacts.

[@davek7511]

You're right. Lately daily option volume is over 50% DTE0 and they are primarily directional trades by large institutions.

[@investorbettor505]

“By the way Tony and I came up with 0 DTE” Low key flex lol

[@ricomajestic]

Sure they did! They also invented the brokerage business, the stock exchange and Berets!

[@KT-zx9jr]

Great stuff as always Tom n Tony. Thanks, Kirby

[@AxeOptions]

Thanks for the overview gentlemen! I've been trading 0DTE 3 days a week, like clockwork for the last 3 years with an 88% win rate and over 500% ROI. Mainly SPX verticals. It's not for everyone, but it can be done. Looking forward to the rest of the series!

[@BB0NES]

What is your strategy?

[@DR96744]

Tom and Tony said it perfectly at the end. 1. Its fun. 2. Its random. 3. Lighting in a bottle. 4. Manage your risk for your account size. I have been playing around with it. Just in my mind I probably been 50/50 with my trades. I think it goes back to basics of trade small trade often.

[@mikes1330]

Many 0DTE traders are trading BOTH sides of the market, so speaking to "if you're directionally right..." is kind of irrelevant

[@nevinkuser9892]

True. You have to buy either a straddle or a strangle to have any hope. And even with that you have to wait until late in the day most of the time.

[@_tizzle]

1. Outstanding study, thnx to the TL analytics team! 2. I agree with Tony that it would be hard to sustain a living with naked 0DTE longs or shorts for most bankrolls. For those who can withstand the variance and risk of ruin, then its a viable option (rare traits). 3. The true beauty of 0DTE is omni-directional defined risk strategies, once the TL team digs in I think we are going to see some brilliant content and a lot of eyes opening to inclusion of 0DTE within a balanced portfolio as engagement trades.

[@nevinkuser9892]

This info is only for the wise. The masses will continue to buy directional lottery tickets. One big win will give a false sense of hope because it's not consistent. But omni directional strategies can do very well long term.

[@1SOUL4JAH]

Thank you for this! My favorite topic.

[@GPx1]

Keep that sweet 0dte info comin

[@hedgefund996]

Great Educational Content, Thanks Guys

[@relaxingricky]

Tony you hit it on the head. Instant gratification and no pain. Pure brilliance My brother 🍷😉

[@markbaugh6083]

I’ve been playing with legging into 0-DTE SPX trades around macro economic data releases. Buy straddle 1-DTE at close. Next day (0-DTE) depending on movement, skew, kurtosis and other variables I sell premium against the straddle and close the naked ITM side of trade if my model supports the decision. Lots of moving parts. The model is a work in progress.

[@markbaugh6083]

…I HATE 0-DTE options! For LOTS of reasons. I believe they have ruined the market. This strategy is used in conjunction with ES futures to hedge short premium in longer duration EXP cycles. The long naked side is rolled IF circumstances demand it.

[@aprilvancleve9463]

This is awesome. I've been watching FB groups with 0DTE traders, popcorn in hand, and always wondered what your stance would be. It definitely is fun but not my cup of tea.

[@lukexiong5945]

Finally, 0dte discussion. I'm up 212% ytd on 0dte index and etfs. Risk 1 to make 2 and up. Many ways to trade volatile leveraged options.

[@ricomajestic]

What is your fav strategy? How are you measuring your return?

[@aaronsarinana1654]

Do you use spreads? Iron condors?

[@lukexiong5945]

​​@@ricomajestic spreads. Started 2k challenge, now 6.5k since new year.

[@lukexiong5945]

​@@aaronsarinana1654 spreads.

[@ricomajestic]

@@lukexiong5945 What happens if we get a massive drop in the market. How are you hedged? Put spreads are great when the market is going up but what if you get a sudden down turn.

[@nslcap]

"Set up, like a bowling pin..." Great stuff boyz ... I reposted on my blog

[@drumsmith215]

Great segment! Thank you TT

[@HawkIjr]

If you combine this data with their scalping market measure, you can project a reasonable target of how much of the move to try and catch. That and having an exit strategy then you have yourself a trading plan.

[@MHN212]

Beautiful study !

[@rgTORO_grOSO]

I sell 0dtes against shares I am trading Intraday. I sell them ATM or ITM: (1) at an opposing setup on my chart, if I think it will hold (i.e. form Daily wick or reverse), and (2) when the move to the opposing setup is decent enough (profits) to justify covering (i.e. the covered call/put is financed, and a win-win trade after "legging into" it)... kinda like a "cap" ... fun to manage at that point...

[@drjonesrn]

Thanks guys.

[@BabyJosephshort]

Zero to hero is the best method of option expiry day , in monthly expiry, one has to buy call or put on the next expiry date.

[@joestory1]

Thanks… !!!

[@mobiusgrey9522]

Great analysis

[@alejadroigoyanes]

make a video about iron condors on 0DTE options

[@Fingobob]

This is a good study. what i would like to know is what is your sample number. cos the study was done on 1 Zero Day. if its about 100 zero day analysis then there is statistical significance in your conclusions..

[@ruthlessluder]

Sell premium within the 1st hour and close them as soon as your PT is reached, and buy premium in the last hour.

[@rantg]

when people looks at volatility in potions, they look at vix? or at the IV next to each options chain? (volatility floor)

[@edgar_desouza]

Gotta come up with a rules-based system for trading these 0 DTE SPX options. Selling premium vs buying?

[@Jpm928]

If i'm understanding this correctly, at 7:53 the chart shows ratios of %gain / %loss for each respective expiry from 0 to 30 as 1.55, 0.93, 0.77, 0.84, 0.9, and .92. So with that being said... if you're trading anything other than 0 dte, wouldn't you be better off trading the 30 dte to avoid the theta exposure?

[@captainkirk3697]

I check the impending news and if it’s a red news item I stay flat and let it pass. Check the daily candles. Check to see if there is a trend or range. Check the /es futures. Determine the range of the first 15 minute candle. Consider a gap. Check the volume profile of the spy and the anchored vwap. By 9 central time I lay into a spread on SPX and manage it. After noon consider another spread or a spread on the opposite side. If price is 30 points from any short strike with an hour to go I let it ride and save the roll out expense. So far so good. Anybody have a link to a live 0dte trading group?

[@nevinkuser9892]

You need a strategy you can use every day, not just depending on news.

[@andrescaballero785]

Been doing 0DTE for a while. One time I blow my account. Learn a lot from that.. Now is doing much better.

[@huguex-xx]

What are you doing this days mainly to get profits?

[@3for5spotshooter]

I sense that 0DTE is likley very useful as a tool when everything is trending a certain direction rapidly - FEB 2018 volmageddon for example. I will do a bit of research on that. On that day in 2018 buying UVXY on the open was a double. I have read all three of Jeff Augen's books based on pinning a strike for the market makers move in the monthlies. This is old theory. It will be great to see whatelse the tasty team thinks up - clever young minds that they are... Without a day like Volmageddon, it is difficult to spot the trend. Anton stated in an older video that this wasw a great TSLA play. I would like to hear him expand on that.

[@pearldiver-692]

hi, i‘m andre from berlin germany, thanks for the helpful content. 👍🙋🏻‍♂️

[@scarfo441]

I'll be here to find out

[@andrel.2768]

Great work as always.

[@ThetaBadger]

so what about butterflies or iron butterflies to protect yourself on the outlier 2sd+ days

[@javiertorres9114]

Pretty much all my 0DTE trades were selling credit spreads. Maybe 3 times out of the year I bought a contract on a 0DTE.

[@LiberatedMind1]

I have been selling 1dtes very successfully for a month or so.

[@amauta5]

Credit spreads picking the right side is probably the most efficient

[@kayskel5610]

All in

[@Maitreya888]

You may win 10 times in a row. But it just takes one huge move to wreck your account. Risk to reward is just so much against you.

[@ClaraPeterson-ym8ds]

Why you use stop losses

[@mfs2525]

I don’t know you can only lose 100% if you are wrong and don’t touch it. Often the other way makes 200-500% so the up side should be larger than the down

[@ricomajestic]

most people use stops or hedges or they adjust!

[@dieselviper7811]

🦋

[@peterreijnders4642]

What is forward slash VX. I have really no idea.

[@mikebuck3252]

I do these with a 100k trading account. I never hold over night. Unless er then i protect myself with calls and puts.

[@ChaplainDaveSparks]

The starting day IV could be over 2x? Wouldn’t it be more? Maybe I’M an example of _”a little learning is a dangerous thing”,_ but … wouldn’t it be proportional to the square root of the time differential? IOW, the square root of 30 (or 20)?

[@hankigoe8615]

are 0HTE (zero hours to expiration) options in the works?

[@josematos1857]

What is delta in this video? Is it the greek delta used in options or is it something else?

[@Jcrusadr]

can scalp the 0dte

[@618Group]

and the study is ridiculolus.. no trader uses the opening price... real traders wait for the call or put premium to reach a low level.. say $1-$2 before taking a swing. these are routinely going from $1-2 to $8-10 on a normal day

[@markc5771]

This is basically highly intricate day trading. I trade options because I'm risk averse. I'll stick to mastering the iron condor

[@tallflyer]

Y’all should have Tammy Chambless on.

[@quantum7401]

What about broken wing butterflies(bwb) on every single strike within 1.5stdv move. Laddered bwb?

[@droz2377]

Elaborate? I have sue 0DTE bwb's and it has a very small premium with a high loss risk unless it expires in the triangle.

[@quantum7401]

@@droz2377 I am thinking about when the body lands on the correct strike then the pay out is like 5x, so it's a win if you can narrow it down to 4 strikes. Lose 4 win 1 to b.e. IDK?

[@droz2377]

when you ladder is reduces risk but you are left with Null. a objective tends to be more successful.

[@nevinkuser9892]

There would be a much simpler way to do the same thing with less commission.

[@cosmo1kramer]

​@@quantum7401 did you have any success with this. When the stock passes your short strike do you take profits. Wouldn't it be a better strategy to open 50 cent spreads on long and short side

[@kevinkasimov651]

“Everything in the market is priced perfectly” and yet the inefficiencies and inaccuracies of the Black-Scholes model, which all options are priced by, are well-documented.

[@nancybattista5135]

Very. Interesting. How can I invest a

[@uniqu3xperience965]

I only work with the spy dont really do 0dte but i do 2 to 10 days out i catch 5 to 10 percent and i am out. I scalp 1 trade everyday i use algorithmic trading mix with support and resistance.

[@arkmay1]

Important to understand that the market fundamentally changed with the introduction of ODTE options. Institutional investors are playing these options creating huge swings in the market which blow up your traditional delta neutral income trades. So adapt or go the way of the dinosaur.

[@ChaplainDaveSparks]

How much do I *WANT* to lose if I’m gonna be wrong? Is _”zero”_ an acceptable number? Seriously, the cynic might take a certain quote from the movie _War Games_ - _”the only way to win is not to play.”_ For us with accounts of < $25K (subject to the dreaded *_PDT_* rule), have you done analysis on *_”one_*_ DTE”?_ (Even if it means putting on the trade in the closing minutes of the previous day?)

[@ChrisPy00]

I get infinite returns because when the position has no risk and is paid for, return is inifinite....

[@golagha1959]

The title of the study is misleading. Why are they looking at directional trades only?

[@Helloboby]

0dte has made me 200$ to to 4000$ in 2 weeks. A plan and sticking to it is extremely important or you’ll lose it 100%

[@618Group]

99% cant sell SPX premium... the margins are HUGE!!!!

[@markgrenier6787]

Sell the put verticle 5 dollars wide. At 1DTE 1500 pm. Buy back at 1455pm. NFLX TSLA ect. Bacttest me bro...

[@fuzzyboomboom9742]

verts is the way to go with these, either long or short

[@grainychicago1195]

0 dte is a pure Gamma play. You have to ready to lose the entire amount when buying 0 dte options. However , you could make 10x in a very short amount of time as well

[@aaronsarinana1654]

How do you use gamma here? I'm new to options

[@bubblybull2463]

@@aaronsarinana1654 you don’t use gamma, gamma uses you 😄 Gamma is the rate of acceleration and instability of the price change (delta) of your option. When gamma is high, you can expect very quick and large swings of your P&L : one second you’re profitable and the next your not. In a high gamma environment you’d need to scalp (aka do very short time trading) to catch the moves you need. It’s a wild ride and you donnt want to have a naked short position on. If you’re new to options, you might want to stay away from 0DTE and keep safe until you know far more (like your greeks). Your call 😉

[@grainychicago1195]

@@bubblybull2463 you’re kinda right. Except with 0 dte the only Greek I pay attention to is gamma . Delta is really only useful for hedging. Theta we know will suck and Vega changes too fast too care lol. You literally can’t even use a stop with 0dte options. If you know that and size accordingly you can make a lot of money fast .

[@ethanluo7355]

Are you buying options straight or do a butterfly maybe

[@kiwihello2]

What thia research doesn't say is what delta were these options. In the money long option will not lose 100%

[@dieselviper7811]

0dte batmans are my jam

[@huguex-xx]

Wich symbol?

[@dieselviper7811]

@@huguex-xx xsp usually 3 wide pretty far otm

[@thegamerboneless2864]

You guys make sound like gambling, it’s not. But to each is own. If you catch the moves you can do pretty well. I believe from what I hear, is people think you can get rich in a day, and so a lot of folks enter with unrealistic results, which destroy their any strategy they believe they can use.

[@davidlowe8597]

How do you look up the expected move of SPX?

[@TraderDT]

On TastyTrade or TOS platform.

[@davidlowe8597]

@@TraderDT we're on think or swim do you find the expected SPX move?

[@davidlowe8597]

@@TraderDT and thank you for your response

[@TraderDT]

@@davidlowe8597 Pull up SPX on Trade Tab on the TOS platform. Expected Move (EM) is on the far right hand side for each expiration cycle. For example, for May 1 expiration cycle, IV is 14.90%, but EM is (+/- 27.596). Translated : SPX has an EM of 27 points, up or down for Monday, May 1st. U good now? :)

[@Tech-oc5uv]

@@TraderDT i think i have to switch my broker .. seems like webull is limited

[@ormandhunter3546]

Can you use the DOM to increase odds?

[@hankigoe8615]

8:20 P/L breakdown

[@jacksonparker3671]

I have anxiety with just 3DTE. I'd lose my mind tracking 0DTE options to the penny.

[@dudu999]

what about selling premium on 0 DTE ??

[@MistaBrown420]

I do csp's lol can't findddd a single person talking about it

[@nevinkuser9892]

The risk is usually too high.

[@mafijurrahman5342]

I am living in Portugal. Could you help me to deposit in tastytrade.

[@fullmoonC]

Well yeah but 1month SPX options are extremely expensive and the volume is close to zero.

[@rvv23]

Tom is it possible to open Tasty in Ukraine ?

[@nevinkuser9892]

Let me know if you need help. I'm American living in Indonesia and accounts are possible in both countries. There's always a way to get what you want.

[@rvv23]

@@nevinkuser9892 thank you! IB is working in Ukraine so I have an opportunity to trade options. But Tasty platform looks more user friendly.

[@williamc4221]

So it isn't worth scalp trading a very short time interval using 0 DTEs, similar to using triple leveraged ETFs? Let's say for 5-6 bips?

[@anishjha7059]

Long strangles $5 delta on spy

[@Karolina_Borkowski]

Is there no video here?? Or is it my phone…. It’s fine I’m still listening but just wondering

[@Md-ht3cg]

It's working fine on my phone

[@anderkat3033]

It's a video.

[@joestory1]

Next do Bull Put Spreads… With 99% Win Rates Risk $99 to make almost a Guaranteed $1 … This one type of set up is also Popular !

[@dennisw8026]

Where to get info on this strategy? Thanks

[@joestory1]

@@dennisw8026 Basically you set up the Put Spread and get farrrrr Awayyyy from the Money which almost Guarantees you a 99% Win Rate !!! … At the Expense Of Very Little Profit…

[@daretodoitfree]

Combined with intraday trading skills, the success rate will come even higher. I do delta ten. Congrats!

[@anderkat3033]

Thanks for the info. I do spreads with a 16 delta, but yeah, 10 delta or less will def give a higher win rate.

[@3for5spotshooter]

Tail risk on the single losing event does exist. Thats when your face gets ripped off.

[@bumble144]

You watch me trade for nearly 2 year and finally figuring it out. Love you guy

[@kevinkasimov651]

Pretty sure the people who came up with the concept of “zero DTE” were the inventors of the zero DTE product; i.e., CME, not you guys.

[@quantum7401]

I ❤️ 0DTE!

[@MikeAffholder]

Is it really I have been doing weekly expected move butterfly pretty decent but have yet to do any 0dtes lol what do you use to get your strikes?

[@Karolina_Borkowski]

I did butterflies for a while and came up with an insane strategy… love it… 0dte but often I do 3-9 dte

[@MikeAffholder]

@@Karolina_Borkowski Ive been doing same usually a few days out. Do you use the weekly expected moves to pick your strikes?

[@TRADERJEJ]

Hypothetically 0DTE ATM Call $1200, loss $1200, 1 day cost 1920 loss 1248, 7 day cost 2880 loss 1036, 14 day cost 4800 loss 1248, 21 day cost 6600 loss 1320, April cost 11,880 loss (ONLY 13%) $1544. Do you care about $$$ or percentages?

[@KrudeJunkie]

Might as well play Nadex......lol

[@oryx032000]

It works great until it doesn't lol.

[@3for5spotshooter]

Also. I think this has cone alive on Tasty because Anton made an off hand comment about 0DTE trades in TSLA. Might be worth exploring his comments.

[@rebusd]

The best 0DTE options strategy would be none imho. And for all you T-gangers out there, sometimes the house does lose.

[@ryugurena3327]

I only trade 0dte because its all I can afford

[@brucewwilliamson]

I wouldn't be bragging about coining the phrase "zero DTE", it's bloody unreadable and inconsistent with your own 45 DTE, 21 DTE, etc. terms. Not to mention that EVERYONE else uses "0 DTE" because it is succinct, meaningful, consistent, etc.!!!

[@sidanhe147]

I should really read this video earlier. I lost 30k in one day by selling 0DTE SPX OPTIONS

[@CloudParadox-is1jc]

lord have mercy..

[@asapusrinivas]

Finally intraday in tastytrade🙏🙏. Waiting for years😥

[@macsupforfun]

I dunno, but I'm calling BS on your video. I don't think most retail traders are BUYING 0DTE. I think most are selling way out of the money credit spreads. Different ballgame.

[@gruposcalybursadecv997]

in overall. people that do 0DTE are gambling with their money.

[@JamesCaldwell-nc1hx]

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[@johto]

0DTE is like a weekly lotto and scratch ticket LOL

[@dieselviper7811]

Nope