BEST AND WORST PATHS TIER LIST | Darkest Dungeon 2

[@ShuffleFM]

Get some GMG glasses and gummies for 25% off :) go.gmg-performance.com/shufflefm

[@MaxUKR]

Hell ya! get paid my boy!

[@nikolaradic8558]

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[@inkromancer_studios]

If we do get a path rework I hope they all end up like Flag's. Where they're all so drastically different from one another that Wanderer is considered a class all its own and there is no "best" path, just a bunch of good paths that excel at specific things.

[@creativenickname1]

Exactly what I hope for as well, a lot of paths change like 2 skills or none and it's just slight number changes. Makes everything feel samey and so why would I want to replay after beating the game if I'm gonna be spamming the same moves

[@cadoozles2]

Exanimate is bad tho

[@silverbolt6699]

This 100%

[@pagesinc.1256]

I've wanted that since Vestal dropped, being able to change the characters playstyle should 100% be the goal of paths

[@PotionSmeller]

Yeah it's a shame how for a lot of classes wanderer is just the bad starting path that you want to ditch as fast as possible.

[@0rcd0c]

A quick note on 36:00 The reason Tempest is so good is not only because of the +33% Chop dmg but also mainly due to the +33% debuff resist. At round start a non-Tempest has a 40% to not be blind while a Tempest has 65%. But it really starts to show after a couple rounds of Chopping (and round start blind procs). Over 4 turns a Wanderer would do 26.3 dmg on average vs 42.2 on a Tempest. That's a 61% performance difference. On top of that, debuff resist scales better the more you have of it. Going from 80% to 90% debuff resist is a relative 50% increase or only half the chance of getting blinds and other debuffs. And with 53% base from Tempest, a +10% memory and a potential +20% from reflection/trinket and suddenly it's like Leper is wearing GMG glasses. Like you said, consistency is king in DD2 and Tempest + memory provides the most reliable Leper.

[@reeeseer8775]

I thought the fight start blinds were changed to ignore debuff res, i know the blind from the skills can be resisted but not the fight start blinds.

[@aggelikicapsa6330]

Surely this month we will get a paths rework update, should've waited for it to drop...

[@Colteor7761]

Copium, an update will come eventually though

[@thefirestarter14]

@@Colteor7761took them 6 months to put collector in the game…. It’s gonna be a long long time

[@kamilslup7743]

grave robber does look down on everyone else together with everyone after "Suffer No Sin" update

[@jjChibi]

Honestly, the primary reason Flagellant's paths are so good across the board is for how good his skills are. And unlike most other paths, Flag paths don't just "lock you out" of using any skill (though some skills are better on some paths, no skills depend on their path). And some of his best skills (More More) are entirely consistent between paths! This is a huge contrast to, say, PD having to choose between blight and stabs, or HWM choosing between ranged and riposte. When forced to choose between options, "meta" prefers whatever is better at base already, so it just improves the characters' already existing strengths, instead of giving an interesting new angle on the characters' playstyle.

[@kamilslup7743]

look, no way you'll make me use lash's gift on scourge, it just steals some debuffs

[@level100derp7]

Shuffle, I understand your reasoning for the tiers and why you have placed the paths where you have, but allow me to present evidence to prove why all of Hellion's paths belong in the top tier: Hellion's biceps

[@sebastienguanzon4978]

And those thighs 😳

[@kamilslup7743]

they don't help with berserker, those biceps don't have razor wire on them

[@dudewhy6953]

You win.

[@HePraisesTheSun]

Scourge Flag is my favorite and possibly the best (imo). Deathless is really strong but really it's the toxic buff (Sets HP to 45%, resets cooldowns, +1 blight damage and 2 blight on hit per token that scales with the +1 blight damage I think) and Sepsis that makes it really good to me. It really pops off with Jester because of combo feeding and encore especially because the only condition it has is the target has blight. If you haven't tried it yet I would really recommend making a blight team for the Sepsis, It's a lot of fun stacking blight with toxic and seeing how big you can get the Sepsis. Scourge is also the best for tanking in my experience, so taunt gets a lot of value which helps a lot.

[@shodahollow4021]

That sponsor was the exact moment ShuffleFM visually turned into Walter White

[@dylanboczar999]

For Sergeant, I could have sworn that the DoT RES buff is all or nothing (rather than only giving Blight RES on a tick, etc).

[@avayevvnon914]

The amount of healing scourge flagellant can put out is so funny. For science i gave him misstep, and it turned out it doesnt halve the damage of sepsis so i had a 98 hp flagellant who could heal for 50% that also deleted the general's healthbar

[@normanlabow7482]

While I think Seraph is probably Vestal’s most effective path, I think she suffers from low speed harder than anyone in the game. It’s absolutely brutal having her go last every single first turn, just to drop a single consecration which doesn’t even give benefits until that character gets to go. (This means that CoF isn’t gonna protect Jack shit until the next turn begins, which really sucks if you’re against a boss who can hit like a freight train.) Mantra is also really neat until you realize that your consecrations have a FIVE TURN COOLDOWN, which means you can’t even begin to set her back up for several turns. If Mantra reset the cooldown for consecrations, I would actually run it happily, but as it stands I see no reason to remove my only source of tokens for several turns when I could be doing anything else. (basically I like seraph, but she really needs a speed buff and I’d like it if Mantra reset the cooldown on consecrations.)

[@normanlabow7482]

before I go to bed, I realize that combat start speed could help with this at the very least. though a straight speed boost would be nice :3

[@Nokaret]

Vestals problem imo: DDs combat doesn't reward defensive playstyle. The fights start 4v4, and the goal is to make a kill asap. No buff can compete with fighting one less enemy for the remainder of the fight. Vestal is basically afk for the first two rounds, where being proactive matters the most, setting up her buff dispensers while other healers would be pulling dangerous backliners to the front or stacking DoTs on them.

[@NotBamOrBing]

Survivor should remove the use limit of Cauterise, that'd maaaybe make it usable (or at least more usable, especially with an Intermezzo)

[@heroesoftomorrow3488]

Survivor originally had no drawback in EA, only benefits, which says a lot about Runaway

[@kamilslup7743]

@@heroesoftomorrow3488 i do not rember that time, i was too busy abusing arsonist

[@michaelpoulter6848]

Shuff with glasses? Surely this will cause this distinguished gentleman to share only the truth and surely everyone will agree with his opinions

[@noth1ingoriginal535]

Ironically i find wanderer flagg the best path for him. He just has very good tanking, decent damage to all ranks and healing all at once. Deathless and more more might be the best combo in the game because you are tanking and healing 2 units at once with no HP requirements and you have to sacrifice no damage for it

[@kamilslup7743]

i'll take scourge instead, yeah i might lose lash's gift and garbage skill (suffer), for a super strong way of healing 2 people (scourge deathless is like a drug)

[@Mr_Scrake]

Note on segrant DoT resist buff: if it procks it gives resist to all 3 DoT types Shuff

[@ShuffleFM]

That's way better then lol

[@CRobbio]

Leviathan I feel is the decider of who belongs in XD tier. As you say, you can always theoretically build around them, but they can't earn their keep when they are all you have to rely on. I vaguely remember a run my Ravager got scooped, GR died and all I had left was my physician/survivor to get her out. They all died a miserable death, where say if it was any combination of MAA/jester/HWM backing up it probably would've been fine

[@AcesWild0]

Gotta attend today’s lecture with Professor Shuff

[@Instantmoodle]

Hey Shuffle, not sure if someone suggested it yet, but have you thought about making a tier list for the different types of nodes in DD2? Lair being best and an Assistance Encounter would be XD in most cases along with the nuance of your picks? Then there's all of the different Academic Studies with their associated quirks and trinkets.

[@kamilslup7743]

lair is useless when you're still working on crusader's unlock quest assistance is good for grinding flame without glimmers of hope (only needed on 4th region lol), also it can fix your car to get back the special effects of full stats (max wheel is +50% travel heal, max armor gives everyone block on combat begin)

[@zekerboy9877]

Correct me if I'm wrong. But I believe sergeant's DOT resist buff applies to all DOT types, not just one. Otherwise great video!

[@Zohaib_OPM]

Leper has 3 best paths. Tempest for damage, Poet for Tanking and Monarch for the mountain

[@kamilslup7743]

u/LeperLover will walk it to tell you that intimidate OP (ignore him)

[@heroesoftomorrow3488]

I disagree about Rogue: just because Sharpshot is beyond broken doesn't mean Rogue is bad, the main issue with it comes more from the fact that there are so many front liners, there is very little need to put a Rogue highwayman in rank 1, and that many Highwayman Skills (Double Tap, Pistol Shot, Highway Robbery) become unusable. But all of these are problems that come with how the game is designed rather than the path itself: it is not straight up horrible like Runaway's Survivor, and in good consciousness you cannot say Rogue is a joke and Venomdrop is good when Venomdrop makes you *lose* speed

[@craniifer]

Sargeant is actually my go-to on MAA. What's the point in tanking if you got zero resists. Pretty much forces you to run the Snake as a pet. Also I definitely agree with Maniac being the worst path for Flagellant, but it is undeniably my favorite path of his.

[@oldy4080]

What I like abot Sarg is that he doesn't have skill limitations. All his tweaks are basic, and for skills you can take whatever you want, while othert paths urge you to prefer specific skills

[@Linkueigman]

I am a life long sergant MMA player, akways use him as a king of "no u" to the levithan so no one ever goes under

[@kernel_games_]

I just think Bonnie needs a rework, she doesn't have a real role, even her card is confused with respect to her design, telling stuff like "Front rank" and "Stealth". She does have stealth but it doesn't use it in any way, she does have support ability but outside of smoke screen and cauterize spam she is doing nothing. Half of her abilities have barely any actual real use outside of forced niche scenarios, like hearthlight. I have barely any idea on how to make survivor viable, I use it as a very cluncky dodge tank path, and it is not good even in that case. I just think it is the worst path in all DD2 by a good margin.

[@kamilslup7743]

she has only 3 good skills: controlled burn, firestarter and firefly

[@unoriginalwarden6315]

Hey shuff you looked really cool with the glasses! thats all, just wanted to spread some positivity

[@urnx6172]

not that I disagree with the placement but saying 'your [PDs] heals get buffed' is a bit of an understatement and I think people dont quite understand just how busted of a stat healing given is. a +33% to battlefield medicine ISN'T (20 + (20 X 0.33) = 26.6 = 27% healing given) IT'S (20 + 33 = 53% healing given) on 50% thresholds surgeons heals give 53 and 43 percent healing baseline before token or dot value which is completely monstrous. The path has other huge issues though, namely that medicine can't be used in 2, incision can't be used in 4 and she has no movement skills to get back to 3 aswell as that can't hurt rank 3+4 in any reasonable way.

[@ultraginge1990]

I disagree with nerfing the strongest paths. I think you need to buff other paths so the game can feel like it has more variety. It doesn’t change the fact you can win with every character. You just make it so they can win in more ways.

[@ShuffleFM]

If everyone was as strong as maa and pd the game would have no challenge.

[@atticus725]

A new shuff tier-list?? Instant watch

[@sugarbydesign]

i take vestal on a lot of my runs and i gotta be honest, i dont like any of her paths and stick to wanderer most of the time. i really wanted to like the one related to consecrations but it takes too long for my liking to actually pay off, lol. i usually fire a divine comfort right at the start to counterbalance future DoTs. in between ministrations and the other divine whatever (forgot the name and im commenting on my work break sorry-also havent reached her part in the video, felt like dropping this comment now) i attack with judgement, and more often than not i have enough tokens to do some good enough damage. remaining slot is for mace bash because i rather have my heroes able to do something in every slot. for others it might be safe, tedious and unpratical, but i dunno. works for me!

[@danielshamlian2800]

You've done it now. I'm gonna flip my skull

[@allibababoo]

Those moves that have a 1/4 (upgraded to 1/3) chance of leaving a fombo token are just short ofnbeing viable. Imho they should be 1/3 w.o and 2/3 chance with upgrade. especially since the damage they do is a big morning burger 1-3 damage is basically nothing other than something to burn their shields and dodge tokens.

[@bensoontm5244]

turns on blue light filter in windows settings*

[@ulrichwagner7311]

I'm sure you did an excellent ad read but i just kept trying to see the cat

[@kniszek7962]

I am struggling to make good comp with Grave Robber, can't figure out any synergies with her. Does anyone have good GR comp?

[@ShuffleFM]

PD GR Flag and MAA is a solid blight focused comp that's easy to run :)

[@Fignya_melkaya]

Т.к я опоздал на этот праздник жизни, да и коммент мой обещает быть сложным и длинным - я напишу его на родном языке и понадеюсь на встроенный в ютуб переводчик. Заранее прошу прощения за это. Я не согласен с некоторыми местами этого тир листа. Если быть точным - я не согласен с путями варварши и весталки. Начну с Боудики. Каркас (который должны были перевести как "Туша". Перевели ещё более криво. Не суть. На английском её зовут Carcass) почему-то в категории "хорошие." У неё нет урона. Перед этим было сказано, что игра, в текущем своём состоянии, становится намного труднее, если урона нет. В качестве решения проблемы предлагается использовать навыки, накладывающие кровотечение. Сомнительный, но справедливый аргумент. Окей. И в следующую же минуту мистер стример мэн запихивает берсерка (Berserker) в нижнюю категорию. Эм... А за что? Берсерк делает абсолютно то же самое, что и Туша, просто меняет свою выживаемость на чуть больший урон и криты. Аргументы в пользу этого решения "Ну, кровоточащие навыки у варварши такие себе". Что по-сути правда, но тогда надо либо тушу опускать в нижний тир, либо берсерка поднимать в средний. А то противоречие какое-то. Крокодил больше зелёный чем квадратный, блин... Весталка. Я категорически не согласен с тем, что лучший путь весталки - Серафим. После некоторого времени в этой игре и долгих попыток найти причину использовать Весталку вместо чумного доктора (спойлер. Их нет) я уверовал в то, что лучший путь весталки - Исповедник (Confessor). Объясняю почему. Игра (как было абсолютно верно сказано ранее) в данный момент требует быстрого и агрессивного стиля ведения боя. У Весталки с её особыми "метками" в данный момент две проблемы: 1) Весталка хочет слишком мнопок, а влезает в панельку только 5 2) Сами благословления (Её усиливающие метки) слишком медленные. Итак. Беря во внимание эти два факта, посмотрим на серафиму. Она получает свои особые жетоны каждый раз, когда срабатывает её благословление (метка) т.е её способности получат хоть какое-то усиление от жетонов только на 3 ход (Весталка медленная и скорее всего её обгонит почти вся её команда) посмотрим, что она может взять в свои 5 слотов. Первые два слота забиваются метками. Ради них Серафим же и берётся в конце-концов. Третье место забирает её основное Лечение. У нас осталось два слота. В 4 слот очень желательно взять снятие негативных жетонов и периодического урона. Потому что без этого вашу команду просто расплавят яды и кровотечения. Весталка лечит сильно, но медленно. Реанимировать всю группу, если что-то пошло не так она не сможет, это не первая часть. Если взять в последний слот регенерацию для команды, весталка будет ходу к 4 вынуждена двигаться или пропускать ход. Ей будет нечего жать. Но ваша группа будет стабильно здоровой. Если взять в последний слот осуждение - ваша Весталка будет наносить урон, но не очень долго, потому что метки слетают до того, как успеют откатиться. И в затяжных боях вы часто будете попадать в ситуацию, где ваша весталка сидит без своих уникальных жетонов и курит бамбук. Осуждение тратит ровно те же жетоны, что и лечение, так что оказаться без МЕГА-ОМЕГА сильного лечения на Весталке проще простого. И упаси вас господь взять Мантру. Она не работает на героях, на которых нет благословления, она сжигает само благословление и не откатывает его кнопку. Так что Мантра просто гарантирует то, что Серафим лишится своих уникальных жетонов в середрне сражения. В то же время исповедник стабильно генерирует себе по одному жетону в ход, может сжигать положительные метки врагов, вешать на врагов уязвимость и ослабление и при этом не тратить на генерацию своих особых ресурсов две кнопки и тонну ходов.

[@bobmarley-qf2mo]

Sharpshot HWM is actually EZ mode tho.

[@LeemVonNelly]

No ez mode is virtuoso jester, insane stress resist, stress heals, guaranteed combo, good dmg buff, a literal free turn for any of your party members

[@kamilslup7743]

i think all paths expect yellowhand are good for highwayman rogue is built for one purpose: point blank cycle sharpshot is built for backline bullying

[@thefailbender]

Costume tier list when?

[@sailorraybloomdz]

This video is sponsored by Echo, the cutest cat on Earth.

[@ellat2691]

Flames tierlist when? Pet exclusive runs when?

[@ShuffleFM]

Pet exclusive?

[@ellat2691]

@@ShuffleFM Creating a team around a certain pet.

[@zeez145]

GLASSES FM POGGERS

[@katskouros941]

Shuff just wanted to say you look fine af in those glasses :D

[@gaspardlc3723]

GlassesFM

[@hyperionsidartha5891]

POG!

[@thegreatphantus1627]

KITTY

[@DarkJulyHeartless]

Carcass is worse than wanderer, that is my take.

[@lukedemler4421]

Just use f.lux.

[@turbanheadless]

Those glasses look weird af. It just looks like you have massive eyebrows 😅