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[@WeScreamAtWalls]

As a heavy mech player I don't think high octane was the biggest problem. I believe what would've reined the deck in would've been hitting Spark of Genius. Spark was originally made as a set up card or chain closer. Now with all the crank items you can tutor, draw, and keep the turn going. Now with the HO ban they've also hit maxx in such a terrible way.

[@slotholopolis2314]

Sounds like you've never been hit with the nitro mech 5 times in a turn after 4 attacks, all on turn 3

[@WeScreamAtWalls]

@ nah I've done 6. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@slotholopolis2314]

@WeScreamAtWalls our local mech player won the Armory last week off a 50 damage turn. He's crying in the club rn

[@WeScreamAtWalls]

@@slotholopolis2314 so am I. 😩

[@deadpoolrwbyfan8419]

Hitting Maxx wasn’t a mistake, it was intentional. They brought it up in the dev talk, HO was limiting design space. They have a bunch of ideas for really cool things that Maxx could be doing, but they can’t really do them because they’re just inherently weaker than HO/Mechanoid combo

[@theleoblazer]

Just a Nick +5, Redback Shroud Spike, Spike with Bloodrot +3 (+2) all on Bonds of Agony +3. That is what my Armories have become. I wasn't expecting to be thrilled by this BnR, but I didn't think I would be left so disparaged. In CC you might be able to regain tempo again, but that much in Blitz is just game. Until next BnR I will just be running defense reaction only hammer swing guardian in protest.

[@hamsandwich6685]

Assassin's are so obviously pushed. Just a nick is such a over powered card. Nuu is so controlling that it's the equivalent of playing against a bossy kid on the playground that constantly follows you and pesters you with "you can't have that" , or " you have to do this now", plus also a chi machine of a mask that makes you effectively a 3 intelligence hero as long as they have chi. She hasn't been as much of a problem as she was in mistveil limited play where she was the obvious best hero that punished the other heros in the set for just liking and using blue cards which was like 70% of the set. She is going to be a huge problem soon.

[@paulmartinez9633]

Dude, your complaining about 15 damage and it is blockable assassin is hard to play against but that's the game

[@theleoblazer]

@paulmartinez9633 There is no issue in CC. However, 15 damage during the reaction step in Blitz usually ends the match. Is this what you truly call engaging?

[@themisvoul1045]

Same here the amount of selective disruption doesn't let you play the game anymore and zero support for the classes affected. Still waiting for the 1 block per turn equipment in guardian

[@andrewmccormack4526]

Obviously LSS knew from development stages that High Octane and Cerebellum Processor would play way too well together for the health of the game. So, that left two options; don't print CP or print CP, sell a ton of armoury decks and then ban HO (with the associated on hits for Dash IE and Maxx). I guess they went with the one that made more commercial sense. Sorry, it is hard not to be a tiny bit cynical about this.

[@jessesealand3179]

Tiger Stripe Shuko, Swarming Gloomveil, and Vynnset all have “can’t be prevented” clauses as well

[@patrickweiss5063]

Chorus of Ironsong.

[@teamfroglogcrogdog]

Very interesting bans! Surprised to see them hit Blessings so quickly

[@jameskoehler4939]

Enigma has been a buzzkill for me too as of late. Especially when the best two players in the armory both bring Enigma week after week.

[@jiffyb333]

Super high on that commoner ban, really interested to see if it will bring Chain back down in line with other heros at the Portland Battle Hardened :)

[@REALMozared]

For cards that say 'can't be prevented' around the 7 minute mark, you are probably thinking of the Assassin's Pick to Pieces, which gets that effect (and +1 damage) if you play any attack reactions onto it. There's Malign too which has it baseline, but doesn't get the +1. Or actually, you probably just meant Rok, as it's clearly the more important card in this context.

[@dreamweaver5803]

I also have always really liked Blitz. Great format to tinker with decks and play quick games.

[@FleshAndBill]

As a Maxx player I am crying my eyes out at this ban

[@kalientei]

Same homie

[@captnkaptn]

I wonder if LSS game designers realize how much the mechanologist class looses without High Octane and Teklo Plasma Pistol...

[@jordanlego]

I still don’t get why Aether icevein is never brought up for commoner. How many times does iyslander have to win the GF events?

[@crayyonnyadrav4055]

Would it be correct to say that CYB is a "counter spell" in the game? Because it counters opposing ressource and card investment by regaining the life you lost. And in a game where true card advantage is harder to come by, that seems a bit the case.

[@larv23]

It's a Counter Spell that both counters Action *and* Inaction. Which in a game where you're drawing 4 cards and most heroes don't get to set up multiple good permanents for a turn or 2 into the future, is back breaking.

[@burstflames]

Chorus of ironsong is another card with the damage cant be prevented but was only plus 1 and dori specialization. Yes it funny data doll is top blitz but rememember back in the day everyone always wounder why she only gets 3 card. Well now with that dash io armory deck item i think we fully understand why the devs limited her to 3 cards. 😂😂😂😂😂 yeah i agree with u about blitz i feel it underrated and get alot hate but it a format that i acually enjoy. Like nothing feels better when u play ten foot tall and roll a 6 as og kayo and come in for 20. 😂😂😂😂

[@goblinrogue]

I'm not sure I can really have high hopes for the promised new mechanics that will significantly improve the play experience of the heroes deleted by the HO ban to be perfectly honest :( Cerebellum Processor entered every format as a practically unbannable and really pushed card that broke two heroes (DIO&DD), who might even remain broken without the access to HO. Seeing every other mech sacrificed as a result of this business decision is already breaking my heart. Jarl being an insult to injury for both maxx and teklo. Sure, there might have been be things inserted in the pipeline for them by the time the HO ban was planned internally, but I'm curious if it will be enough to give them something that might give them a fighting chance against probably roughly two years worth of (probably talented) heroes, or if it would just have to break them in a different way. Maxx and Teklo might be just gone for good at this point. OG Dash might limp her way through the finish line as a fatigue deck (in a few years?). At least Mech players will still have DIO as a worse aurora if they'd like to play. While this might seem like an overly negative comment (stages of grief, etc.), I have hope that a new mech hero design could come, and fill the hole that the unfulfilled promise of Bright Lights left. I believe that LSS will cook up something, as they still are a bunch of people who deeply care, and want to improve the play experience of every player.

[@Husker44g]

It's interesting that CYB is a card that creates issues with lack of "interacting with" cause I can think of a lot of examples where I dont' feel like I'm interacting. Not saying that's bad ..just not sure I agree with the CYB ban.

[@FuzzyShocker]

They could (and should) ban just the red Hedron Collider, now the queen is dead.

[@supermarioblacktiger]

Kind of wish I was playing data doll while Hadron was still legal. I haven't played blitz in a long while because "CC popular" and UPF is just fun. Still sad about High Octane. Sure, it was a game ender, but that went both ways. If successful, you win the game. If your opponent disrupts or blocks and survives your High Octane turn, you lose the game.

[@hamsandwich6685]

No one survives the high octane turn when there is 8 action points, 4+ items on board, 6 steamers on their gun and a hand that has expanded by a couple cards, starting with a chain of 3 boost attacks of 4 or 5 power.. It's too much even if it's not every game going that way, it's still too consistent.

[@supermarioblacktiger]

@hamsandwich6685 that's a lot of setup. If you can set up that much in a game, there should be a payoff.

[@hamsandwich6685]

@@supermarioblacktiger i cant remember how it happened and i did exaggerate a bit but i definitely took 2 boost attacks and 6 shots to the face after a couple of big boost attacks that i already defended with my hand. I got hit with a double high octane turn on a different game and that definitely was ridiculous. I think its both good to balance the mech class and give room for new card design to explore.

[@AzurielMist]

As a Vynnset main , I am disgruntled that Zen is making a come back, I utterly despise Zen state tokens.... why does it get to stay around for two turns!! XD He has been toned down significantly, but will still be good, just sucks he has a near on demand "Half your damage output" button in the matchup.

[@Palefox27]

CYB is the worst kind of game play. This isn't interacting with your opponents board state like they claim. This is just doubling your health pool in nullifying the opponent not the board. Anyone that thought it was a good idea needs to take a long look at how they think control and TCG's work. Blocking and gaining health for 2 hrs is not good game play. Great way to show the world how the game is growing with that snooze fest.

[@ThePedro1233]

Why does thou show red count your blessings dmarmada?

[@DMArmada]

@@ThePedro1233 I just grabbed any count your blessings, shoulda grabbed blue!

[@GoblinReserve]

Great job Making me want to play blitz.😅

[@jamesmiller6635]

Deleting 3 counts is taking away 3 from the base of the blues but then 6,7 and 8 total life. That is 24 life gain banned from a deck that often wins by single digit health after playing all their counts. The deck is not just dead its obliterated. Also, for high octane, even tho the writing was on the wall, I will never actually believe them thinking high octane is actually the problem. It was almost a wizards like ban, hmm we have a problematic combo but one of the cards that every excepts is broken is new so lets ban around it. I know everyone is gonna say "its a design problem going forward" which i feel like it is the biggest cop out that they used to kill tomes and to kill mech.

[@jamesmiller6635]

Sorry reading back this comment it sounds aggressive and negative. Still a great game with great designers, i am just gonna miss top teir dio

[@BertoGarcia-iz4vv]

Why can't the bands just be against certain heroes? Seems like any generic ban hurts other heroes who are already struggling against the meta.

[@poisonblood360]

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