Best Cheap Turbochargers | A definitive Guide on what to look out for! | Maxpeedingrods Pulsar Mamba

[@zachisparanoid]

Dude...i just found your channel. You go over all the things the internet doesnt answer, and for that i applaud you. Thank you! Keep it up man!!!🤘😎

[@throttlebuddies0]

glad to hear, yeah i try to do that haha

[@zachisparanoid]

@@throttlebuddies0 definitely informative. You solidified my decision on Pulsar 🙃 Love the layout of the vids. Thank ya man!

[@billy.the.maker.]

Just found this channel. I can accurately say with 100% accuracy that this is the most UNDERRATED channel on YT. Pure GOLD! Sub and I am starting to watch everything!

[@throttlebuddies0]

Thanks a lot 🙏 really appreciate the kind words! If you have any questions feel free to ask in the comments or hmu on insta

[@billy.the.maker.]

@@throttlebuddies0 are you familiar with rusEFI? I heard it is like Speeduino but a few levels up. It works with a knock sensor and electronic throttle body and they almost have it work with GDI.

[@throttlebuddies0]

Yeah i am. Tuned two cars with it works very similarly to megasquirt

[@billy.the.maker.]

@@throttlebuddies0 super, would be grat if you do a video series of it, like Speeduino.

[@throttlebuddies0]

Ill see but most things on this series you will be able to use for tusefi and megasquirt also as this is more like a thneretudio guide you could say :)

[@802Garage]

MaXpeedingRods just came out with ball bearing turbos! They are essentially just a Garrett GT series design, but with some nice added features. They have the forged billet compressor wheel, a lighter and allegedly higher quality compressor housing, a stainless turbine housing with V-band connections, an upgraded alloy turbine wheel, and allegedly upgraded piston rings. I did a tear down and I was fairly impressed. They are a bit over $600, so pricey for a budget option, but you can also get a 10% off discount anytime which makes them slightly more attractive. I agree with you that it is worth buying MXR over exactly comparable products for the support from the company, which at least does exist! I also think their billet wheels in general actually do have different geometry from the cast Wheels. While the blades have generally the same profile, the nose and overall profile of the center section is much thinner, allowing for a lot more airflow. I do think Pulsar is a generally attractive option, and this brings MXR up closer to their level. I will say as soon as you start getting closer to $1,000 a Borg Warner starts making a lot more sense, even if it's journal bearing. If you get closer to $2,000-3,000 the Borg Warner EFR series are the best period, though limited in max size. Still, with a coupon, hard to argue with a $100 turbo from MXR! Great video. :)

[@throttlebuddies0]

i mean for 600-800 bucks depending where you are located you can also buy a pulsar turbo wich are known to work really well but well se maybe i will get one at some point.

[@802Garage]

@@throttlebuddies0 Yeah that's the dilemma! So far they have a GT2871, GT3071, and GT3076. I'm sure they'll do a GT3582 eventually. They end up coming in just under the typical Pulsar price with arguably comparable features, but it would be impossible for me to say one is better since so far I have experience with neither. About to test my GT3071, but not exactly torture test it. Wish I had a dyno I'd love to compare them back to back.

[@throttlebuddies0]

Issue is also no options for echausg housings. Kind of a dealbreaker in my opinion and the gt28 is just a journal bearing not even with a 360 degree thrust bearing and still is 600 bucks

[@802Garage]

@@throttlebuddies0 Agreed that the lack of turbine housing options limits the applications. Unless you meant something else. The new GT28 is a ball bearing turbo. You have to go to the Sport Turbo category and not the "For Sport Universal Turbo" section. It's there for $591 before coupon and lists all the same benefits as the two new GT30 ball bearing turbos, just without the V-band exhaust inlet and outlet. I'd have to have one in hand to verify all the claims, but no reason to doubt. Is it worth it for a GT28? Probably not. It's a very strange compressor trim they chose as well. Even smaller than Garrett's smallest 48 trim. Really meant for a smaller engine pushing a lot of boost. I'll def be trying to test one out down the road.

[@throttlebuddies0]

@@802Garage says on their site 270 degree thrust bearing and floating bearing so journal bearing and yes the sport category one for 600 bucks

[@jefferyholcombe5189]

Something that most people don't think about is the zinc in the oil that used to be there to protect the flat tappet lifters is no longer in the oil. The zinc provides these type of turbo's a lot of lubrication for the thrust bearings as it would the flat tappet lifters. Problem is that you can only get it in good oils like Royal Purple or AMS Oil for performance engine's as most oils today have the zinc removed because most newer vehicles have rollerised lifters and rockers along with ballbearing turbo's eliminating the need for it most of the time.

[@throttlebuddies0]

that heavily depends on the engine. a lot of engines still use journal bearing turbos, id even say most stock cars. even performance ones. VW on the 2.0 TSO only switched to ball bearing for the golf R. the GTI and pretty much any other smaller displacement VAG engine still use journal bearing same goes for other brands. as for the flat tapped lifters there are massive amounts of old engines running low quality oil and having no issues at all so i think this would only be an issue for high lift cams and high rpms, aswell as heavy springs so there would be more wear. as far as the bearings in cheap turbos are concerned, while it might help, the material they are made out of is just not as good as it could be.

[@kalyndyck315]

Have the pulsar 6262g, it's a blast. Awesome turbo.

[@throttlebuddies0]

@@kalyndyck315 on what engine?

[@kalyndyck315]

@@throttlebuddies0 built 2L b series in a CRX, boosting 27 PSI

[@throttlebuddies0]

@@kalyndyck315 nice! Tho a bit big prolly haha at least for daily stuff.

[@Mr.Wongburger]

​@@kalyndyck315Mind sharing hp#s for your build? Do you remember roughly what you made around 20psi as well?

[@DevilDocPlays]

I just purchased one. Hopefully I wont be disappointed.

[@cash4cat]

In Thailand they are crazy for big power on trucks, they use Flex turbo and SMT.

[@throttlebuddies0]

@@cash4cat never heard of them gonna have a lok into that. Thanke!

[@thetuber705]

What fitting is that on your water pump inlet at 0:50 so that you can run a low mount turbo? It looks OEM!

[@throttlebuddies0]

Thats just the stock upper nb water neck haha if you use that you dont have pipes for the heatercore anymore tho so gotta think about that. Hole spacing fits perfectly tho

[@thetuber705]

@@throttlebuddies0 I had no clue the hole spacing fit perfectly, i'm definitely gonna be using that!

[@aftastosk6016]

I have a lot of experience with Td04s of various sizes and I wouldn't change them at all. Garrett is just catching up with the GBC series. It's not a coincidence that so many manufacturers from Porsche to McLaren use Td04s. Also, you failed to mention the cheap Chinese Td05s that are dominating the market right now , the max speeding rods Td05 is popular among MX-5s, possibly their best product right now because it proves to be reliable.

[@throttlebuddies0]

the TD04s just dont have the top and also the response down low is worse. if you ever tuned a car with a GBC turbo, they are amazing in comparison. much better than a TD04. The GBC 20-300 spools the same as a 13t if not slightly better but has a much better top end.

[@aftastosk6016]

@@throttlebuddies0 ha! Of course a GBC 20-300 will have more top end than a stock Td04L-13T. Because Td04Ls won't come with bigger than 0.41 a/r while the 20-300 is 0.55 a/r. Also you compare a miniature G- series billet compressor with a OEM cast 25-year old compressor, of course is going to make more power. But even a Mellett CHRA which is an exact copy of an original MHI is going to cost less than 300 (at least in Europe) so we are talking about different sector markets, really. Also, if you tuned the GBC 20-300 into a 1.6 lt engine it won't make much of a difference spool wise (simply because the size is too small anyway for the displacement) , even in 1.5 lt engines the switch from a Td04L to Td004HL doesn't affect the spool that much (it does, but not a lot) as experience shows with Colt CZTs and BMWs (3.0 lt twin turbos) but in Starlets/Glanzas it makes a real difference.

[@stefandanalexandru9401]

What is the biggest compressor blade size turbo you can find from things like this? The max I could find it's something like 70mm compressor. I'm trying to find something like 100mm if you guys know some

[@throttlebuddies0]

Wich ones do you mean exactly? Pulsar offers units up to like 120 or so

[@NaiJerd]

How do u know how much hp and boost a turbo can deliver

[@throttlebuddies0]

@@NaiJerd if you have a compressor map you can see everything there but if you dont its a guessing game

[@vongdong10]

Having just experience a genuine garrett G30-900 and owning an old ass garrett T51, I would never own a turbo without ball bearings and a billet compressor wheel. Looking to go with a Pulsar 7375G or an Aeroflow one. I would gladly pay for that level of response but not genuine price haha.

[@throttlebuddies0]

ball bearing is not neccesarily the be all and end all for response. it just makes transient response much better, but spool is similar with a journal bearing turbo if the wheels have the same size, materials and aerodynamics.

[@iraqibikercbr600r]

What budget turbo you can recommend for me i have opel insignia 2.0t 4x4 and want make around 350-380 hp something like around 500-800euros

[@throttlebuddies0]

@@iraqibikercbr600r well if you want to convert to a t25 turbo id say get a pulsar pta 4849g i think its called. Its slightly above your preice range but still under 1k and is an amazing option for that power level. For a decent hybrid turbo youll probably gonna have to pay more

[@iraqibikercbr600r]

@throttlebuddies6356 I don't have that much knowledge about turbos don't know what is the best just want little more power cuz my car is heavy and be daily and of curse have some fun

[@throttlebuddies0]

@@iraqibikercbr600r well then a hybrid turbo might be the best option but cost a bit more. as with a universal motorsports unit, basically everything has to be changed.

[@iraqibikercbr600r]

@throttlebuddies6356 last question so don't take much of your time..what about holset hx40

[@throttlebuddies0]

@@iraqibikercbr600r for that car or in general? for that car way to big, terrible response, slow spooling, would not recommend

[@timonkovar5194]

Gibt es von Pulsar auch kleine Turbos die als OEM+ option taugen? Ich würde meinem Diesel gerne etwas mehr Leistung und Sound einhauchen.

[@throttlebuddies0]

keine hybridlader nur universale angefangen bei einem gt2860

[@Justdriv3]

Great informative video, im debating on getting the maxpeedingrods 73 trim turbo but I messaged a selling and they said it can only handle 14.5 psi, im hoping for closer to 19 psi maybe 20, do you have any experience with their 73 trim?

[@throttlebuddies0]

Well what they are saying on their website and if they actually last are two different things. Ik running a 3582r at 20 psi but that already also has some shaft play after a few hundred kilometers but it also gets a lot of surge so not surprising. Id say you could try it but dont expect too too much at anything above wastegate pressure

[@Alejandro-u7q7c]

That's odd, just bought a 63 trim for 80 something bucks with a coupon and apparently it can handle 19psi.

[@mastercricket7626]

Right on bro ... and rights now i run the pulsar 4849g (g25-550 copy) , i did have well still ha e but changed out my ptx3071r gen2 dbb , as it was a late spooler lol but still super powerfull and i run mine at 30-35 psi on the street lol ... i personally love pulsar ... i have had bad luck and blown 3 maxpeedingrods turbos, but i have a set there forged rods in my build and they hold great .. so tbh i think i was overspinning the turbos lol and i ha e use there coilovers and out if 2 sets both had bad 1 the rear came leaking fluid and the others the front both snapped the shock in half after like a month each .. but i frive really agressive and they just meant to go low n look the part lol ... but otherwise bro always like to see ya posting cuz we have similar builds lol .. peace and love bro keep it rad stay safe and build on.. l8z famz and keep having fun

[@throttlebuddies0]

Yeah the maxpeedingrods units id only recommend for maximum of like 15 psi or so anything above that i would be looking for an upgrade. As for their coilovers they are good depending on the car but sometimes seem to be leaking quite quickly soooo meh i guess. I havent had any pulsar turbos fail due to defects, only by user error so i highly recommend them.

[@mastercricket7626]

@@throttlebuddies0 right ... so my main thing now I thing I struggle with is , exhaust back pressure in the log manifold .. I don't think it like that high boost lol ... I been trying g to find and figure what the best 1.6 manifold would be , without compromise durability (cuz we know the log is basically indestructible lol) , I would love a aretec lol but I don't think they make it for 1.6 mazda engines sadly ... have you had any luck with differant manifolds bro? Or do ya have a recommendation.. I need to post a update vid on it so when I do try to figure stuff out I have a reference lol 😂 cuz I think my last post was over a year ago lol.. anyways hope to hear back from ya some more bro and maybe even show off our builds if ya make it to MATG this year .. peace and love bro

[@throttlebuddies0]

@@mastercricket7626 best one is kraken by far. very good layout and works well up to 600 hp. and because it is cast its very durable. you will gain horsepower by just lowering backpressure a bunch and also stress your engine wayyyyy less. The next option would just be a tubular manifold out of a high quality stainless steel so that it doesnt crack!

[@ngt84]

@11:05 its not an 11+0 it has 8+0

[@throttlebuddies0]

I actually meant the middle one by 11+0 but you are right 7+7 is also not right haha the right one has 8 so aparently i cannot count lol

[@ngt84]

@@throttlebuddies0 Or the editor let you hanging. But at the end you tap the 8+0 so :P

[@throttlebuddies0]

@@ngt84 well thet would be also me then haha

[@JesusServant-Z]

FWIW guys, I found out that Garrett turbos are now from China. The headquarters is in Shanghai. Just FYI

[@throttlebuddies0]

@@JesusServant-Z i think they were always cast in china. Not a bad thing neccesarily quality will probably be better than in other countries. Always depends on price you pay for chinese manufacturing. If you pay less you get less and the other way around, quality wise

[@JesusServant-Z]

@@throttlebuddies0 More often than not, the chinese stuff I have had has worked.

[@GooseTheftAuto]

No love for Holset?😮

[@throttlebuddies0]

@@GooseTheftAuto no dont like holset and wouldnt recommend them. For the price you pay you can almost get a pulsar and they are much better.

[@GooseTheftAuto]

@@throttlebuddies0 interesting - why do you say this? Have you run one previously?

[@throttlebuddies0]

@@GooseTheftAuto well they are slow to spool and are aincient tech puksar uses current technologies If i would want 600 hp from a holset i would need a hx35 or even 40. On the pulsar side ag25 or g30 can deliver that power level woth way better spool and transient response, its just physics

[@aftastosk6016]

​​@@throttlebuddies0they follow a different mindset with lower trims, bigger a/r they can work pretty well it depends on the type of engine that are installed with. In a budget build you can trade a few horses for reability

[@throttlebuddies0]

@@aftastosk6016 compared to pulsar, they cost the same and just dont have the response so its not really a valid option.

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[@JesusServant-Z]

Best cheap turbos....until14 minutes in, then you switched to talking about the expensive stuff. :)

[@throttlebuddies0]

Not really in comparison to garrett or borg warner, pulsar is still cheap. Also really is the best option value wise to go for. I wouldnt run anything really chaep on a car that needs to be reliable