Best Choke For Kent Fasteel+ Duck Ammo | 10 Tested

[@TODinWY]

I do appreciate the time and effort you put into these vids. 👍

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thank you so much!

[@dcon9708]

Picked up a case of 2&4 last week, perfect timing!

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Nice!

[@gregdonahue7987]

Thanks, George! I was disappointed with the Cremator LR performance. That's what I use and, constriction-wise, that should have been right between your modified and full. More concerned with the jams and failures to eject. Are you seeing that with other ammo types as well?

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

I was seeing that problem with this shotgun, so I sent it back to Mossberg to be fixed and just got it back. So far so good. But I've already shot most of my videos for the year, so there will probably be more failures to eject on camera but the gun has already been fixed. Don't take any of these choke results as gospel, on your gun, or with ANY other ammo, that choke could be the best.

[@bobbyscott8024]

Well done George! Love your sense of humor, btw!

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks so much!

[@jacobfarley824]

I loaded my own shotshells...12ga. 2-3/4. 1-1/4 oz. #4 steel. 1250 fps. The results were amazing and they didn't have holes in the pattern, I use Müller chokes. Each target was shot 3 times for averages. 30" circle. Decoy @ 35 yards, 70.3% of pellets in circle, 168.6 pellets per shell in circle. Passing @ 35 yards, 72.5% of pellets in circle, 174 pellets per shell in circle. Decoy @ 45 yards, 53.8% of pellets in circle, 129.3 pellets per shell in circle. Passing @ 45 yards, 66.3% of pellets in circle, 159 pellets per shell in circle. Passing @ 60 yards, 47.6% of pellets in circle, 114.3 pellets per shell in circle.

[@riverviewhunting9474]

What do you figure your effective range is at that velocity with #4s and what species do you target?

[@jacobfarley824]

@@riverviewhunting9474 50 yards mallards, gadwall, pintail, etc.....

[@jacobfarley824]

@riverviewhunting9474 they say in a 30" circle at any given range to consistently kill ducks you need 100 pellets for ducks and 70 for geese. If I was going to be shooting beyond 50-55 yards bismuth would be better

[@riverviewhunting9474]

@@jacobfarley824 I would have guessed those 4s would have ran out of steam by 40. That's pretty neat.

[@jacobfarley824]

@riverviewhunting9474 yeah the slower speed just helps with the fuller patterns. Their is a company called Shotz out of North Dakota I think.....they are loading a 3", 1-3/8oz, #8's, at 1500 fps. They are stoning snow geese at 50 yards with them.

[@jeffbarris8172]

I liked the old school light gray Kent that made them a great ammo company, not sure about the 2.0 . Thanks George God bless you and go get them in the marsh.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks so much Jeff!

[@Zelda980]

I've just recently started watching your channel. One thing I'd like to see is the BOSS original bismuth 3" 3/5 through the Carlsons Cremator mid and long range chokes. I personally shoot a Franchi Affinity 3, so if you have the ability to run that combo, it would be even better for me, but I'd be happy just to see your take on the choke/load combo. Love seeing the charts and patterns and all the data really helps me make sense of everything.

[@1776cootsflybynight]

I have 2 affinity 3's and use both cremator chokes. Both guns pattern different with the same choke. I'd recommend getting a few different sizes of boss and papering it. I was amazed and kinda disappointed in myself for not doing it sooner

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

So the cremator is actually a steel choke, it has less constriction. Its the equivalent of modified and improved modified for most guns. Those two would be great for short range hunting with the legacy load. Not meant to be a long range combo.

[@1776cootsflybynight]

@@TheNewHuntersGuide that's why you are #1. Thank you.

[@Zelda980]

@TheNewHuntersGuide How can it be equivalent to an improved or modified? The long range choke suggests 40 yards and beyond, and the midrange suggests 25-40 yards. I have also personally run steel loads through them and seen worse patterns. I'll have to test it out again and see what I find. What do you recommend for a choke for bismuth based on your findings? I typically don't shoot past 40 yards in most of my hunts.

[@1776cootsflybynight]

@Zelda980 a choke tube designed for lead will be a smaller Dia. Than one designed for steel. You can't choke steel as tight as lead or bismuth

[@duke1386]

You gotta do Kent fast steel 1 3/8oz #4 1300 fps it’s incredible!!!!

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thank you so much! I will!

[@ronnyalgorjr8132]

Thank you for all the work you put in. I found doing similar test and patternmaster ansconda full and the momba out performed Carlson and Indian creek with most steel shot.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks so much!

[@terryclark9603]

Thanks for the info good video lots of information should help put more food on the table. Ironman in Alabama 73s.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks for watching!

[@Kolokotrones]

Let me add one more, Kick's High Flyer, through a Benelli SBE the Full and X-Full work amazing with BB and #2 Kent Fasteels 2.0. I wouldn't doubt they would work just as good with these new duplex loads.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks!

[@mdblem2]

Did you ever test Remington hyper sonic? Just curious how the pattern would be? (worse than all others?). And what would the penetration be in balistics gel would be? I am in the Muller camp but it would just be an interesting video. Keep up the good work!

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

I have yet to get ahold of some. But I hope to!

[@mdblem2]

@@TheNewHuntersGuide ok. If I come across some, I'll send it to you

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

@@mdblem2 Thanks!

[@nebraskaman8247]

Had amazing luck with Kent fasteel 2.0. Hands down would recommend those shells. From snow all over them to getting wet, had 1 shell not fire out of appx 6 boxes.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

I'm a big fan as well.

[@nebraskaman8247]

Not sure about your results, although I’ve had a lot more hits on birds using it as well. Great video btw!

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

@@nebraskaman8247 I've had some Fasteel 2.0 pattern better than the +. But generally speaking, its just a good performing load.

[@tomgensel4134]

Thanks for your testings. Gotta ask again why no measurements on the Muller tubes?

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

They don't do constriction numbers. According to Muller, choke geometry relative to each barrell is a bigger indicator of pattern than choke constriction. So they boycot constriction as a measure of pattern density

[@bent5434]

Thanks for the video!

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks for watching Ben!

[@justinadams8827]

It's probably nit picking and asking too much, but id like to see 3 shells cut open and take an average once. Just to see if there's any major differences in pellet count in the stacked loads, I wouldn't think there'd be much difference in single size loads. Nonetheless you're doing the best tests on the interwebs I've seen!

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks so much!

[@BrokenBarBox]

Don’t worry about your testing process. Tedious is just part of the fun of learning. I did notice another fail to eject on that last shot. Have you ever tested ammo with this many malfunctions? It seems like the power is there….maybe the expanded crimps are too long and are getting caught on the rim of the ejection port?

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

I think my gun was dirty that day. I had alot of ejection issues on that recording day with numerous shells and brands.

[@bgdesignandsolutions]

Good job.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks so much!

[@justinhuddleston2303]

Nice video. I have found that the non ported cremator works significantly better than the ported version.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks. I haven't found ported chokes to do any differently on average than non ported. If you had 2 ported chokes of the same size, one would still do better than the other. There is just that much variation from one to the next it seems.

[@justinhuddleston2303]

My three boys and I have purchased four sets of cremators through the years . My oldest got the non ported for his franchi affinity 3 twelve gauge. I got the ported version for my franchi affinity 3.5 twelve gauge. They are very similar with close and medium, but there is a noticeable difference in the long-range performance with most shells. My middle son has the non ported on a stoeger m3020, and the youngest has ported on a tri-star cobra iii compact 20 gauge. The results are the same, close on close and medium, noticeable difference on long range. I can't speak for all of the chokes ever made, but in my personal experience, the non ported long range is noticeabley better.

[@duke1386]

Dude watch the Cole townsend video #8 steel pellets on geese . Big ones it’s impressive shotz ammo 3” 1 3/8oz #8 shot

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thank you so much! I really appreciate it!

[@Zelda980]

Did you note the amount of secondary shots in that video? I wasn't overly impressed. Not to mention, I'd prefer not to pick a bunch of #8 out of my meat.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

@@Zelda980 What do you mean secondary shots and #8?

[@Zelda980]

@TheNewHuntersGuide seemed like the geese were not going down as easy. Maybe just a camera perspective issue, but it looked like they sailed more birds. #8 shot is small, I'd rather pick out 6 to 8 pellets of #3 than have to pick out more #8 pellets. Maybe not an issue, without seeing in person I'm just going on what I know.

[@eduffy4937]

George, save the people some money! Pattern test kents "upland steel" for waterfowl use. I buy it in #6 shot for around $12/box and for anything but late season birds it works incredibly well. Plenty of hits on target, and from last year it seems i killed more birds on average than running larger shot waterfowl loads. More hits on target=more vital systems damaged at once. Busted necks, wings, eyes, legs etc. I found i dont need tons of penetration on a few pellets when i can penetrate shallower with far more pellets. Try it out. Its pretty good stuff.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Wow, #6 really?

[@eduffy4937]

@@TheNewHuntersGuide I poo-poo'ed the idea but decided to pattern itn then shot a few teal with it. A mallard or ringneck would come into my decoys every so often and instead of swapping ammo I'd just see what happened. Out to 35 yards I have no other desire to use different ammo. It's more of an open handed slap vs a finger poke on a bird. It crumples a lot. Much like turkey hunting, adjust pattern to the most open size you can tolerate at the furthest ranges you're likely to encounter. In mn I hunt a lot of pretty close birds. 35 being about the furthest I shoot. I run an imp cyl or mod at the most and it performs exceptionally well on woodiesn teal, ringnecks, and even a few mallards I've had come by. Mostly we deal with the first three and less mallards. There's "common knowlege" among duck hunters that #6 is too small. Yes #6 is too small individually to cause immediate death, but if you can destroy most major systems on that bird with #6, and run a larger pattern, for me, that equals a successful hunt. The stuff is cheap and 1400pfs so plenty enough out to 35. Give I a whirl. I'm sure you'll be suprised by the results. I definitely was.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

@@eduffy4937 Nice, I need to do some testing with smaller shot.

[@eduffy4937]

@@TheNewHuntersGuide that's an incredible value priced option. It performs really well too.

[@waltergurly4040]

Now that's a lot of counting

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

You said it man.

[@whillhern]

Carlsons Cremator mid range! Put that choke in your gun with loctite. And never look back. Seems to work well with everything. 😂😂

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

It's a nice one for sure.

[@JUDGERAMBO]

Was expecting the x full to be tighter.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Me too!

[@clks1165]

With the bigger shot like the 2# mixed with the 4# may vary on choke construction and plus at 1500 feet per second, That definitely would probably make your pattern not pretty and uniform

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

That may be the case. Video on that subject is coming.

[@justinmolle8647]

Have you done a boss legacy 2 3/4 inch vs the legacy 3in I’ve looked but can’t seem to find it

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Not in a big focused test, no.

[@clks1165]

What velocity?

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

It's 1450

[@Joshua-yr2fz]

Huh? Two of the cheapest chokes shot on par with the most expensive chokes for about 30-40 dollars less. I do not like the big hole in the Muller Decoy pattern.

[@michaelmccaugherty2835]

The development system has been horrible. Hopefully, the future will be better.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Development system?