Best motorcycle jeans | Single layer vs lined: THE TRUTH

[@davuspg]

I see Motolegends have posted a new video on single layer vs kevlar jeans and if it was a response to this video, then frankly it's disappointing. No technical data to back up their previous claims, but instead the focus now is on how horrendously uncomfortable (in their opinion) lined jeans are to wear. What's far more disappointing however is the fact that they (the chap in the cap) are deleting any posts that question the safety of single layer jeans, or are negative about the products they sell. I had no idea posters could delete comments and initially thought I was going mad as a few sensible comments left on there - 1 linking to this video and another giving Hood Jeans the thumbs up over single layer jeans, suddenly disappeared. A quick Google search later into whether posters can delete comments and I can only conclude that Motolegends are deleting anything that questions their products and their sales patter. The reality that this is how they operate has just lost them a customer, I actually own a pair of Rokkers I bought from them last year and also a pair of Hood jeans. I won't lie, the Rokkers are a bit more comfortable as they're obviously thinner, but since watching John's excellent video, I'll only ride in my Hood jeans, which are not at all uncomfortable so far. I had intended to visit the Motolegends shop as I need to replace my lid and jacket, but definitely won't be now. I would have posted this on their channel, but it no doubt would have been deleted. Thank you to BikeSocial for all the excellent reviews, most of my kit, locks etc have been bought off the back of watching them, if only this latest video had been made before I shelled out £350 on a pair of what I was led to believe were the ultimate jeans for protection on a bike!

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Hiya... cheers for this! Yes, I've watched it and I was surprised how reasonably balanced it is in the most part. It's quite sensible, though I would say that there ARE higher standards than EN17092 AAA, and they're EN13595 Level 1 and Level 2. These will be going soon, but should hopefully be replaced by the (optional) BS13595, which should allow buyers to better compare top-end products. The A, AA and AAA ratings really are a good thing to help buyers, and they were rightly brought into law to stop brands and sellers making unsubstantiated claims of safety. Unfortunately though, with AAA being relatively easy to achieve, some are using wording that infers there is nothing better, for example making out that any product rated AAA is inherently as protective as something like quality race leathers, for instance. Also, while the weight shown of the Hoods was close to what I measured (1,880g with armour), I wish I'd measured the Rokkers before I cut them up because the AAA-rated Roadskin Taranis jeans that I've reviewed weighed 1,360g with armour. Those jeans are also proof that AAA-rated single-layer jeans DO NOT have to cost more than lined jeans, so there's more choice there for people: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/textile-jackets-trousers-suits/roadskin-taranis-jeans However, I was pleased to see that the spurious 'slide times' went pretty much unmentioned, and there were no more claims of single-layer being 50% more abrasion resistant than leather, or of Kevlar being degraded by washing. I think people can now make their own choices hopefully. Yes - comments can either be deleted, or accounts can be blocked entirely. It's interesting watching the ones that are being deleted (though you can still screen-grab them before they go), but it's their channel and they can do as they wish. As you'll see in the comments here, we try to leave criticism in and address it if we can, but we do block spam, hate-speech and personal attacks on us or our contributors. You can also set up auto filters to hide suspect comments (sometimes KZbin gets it right, sometimes not), then these are put in a folder for reviewing. I try to go through these every day, and do what I can to cover them. I think Motolegends looks like a great shop overall and I really like what it does to encourage people to ride; we put all their breakfast mornings in our events pages, though sadly I doubt I'd be welcome. Still, it does seem strange for a company that states it won't sell lined jeans to criticise a company that chooses not to make single-layer jeans. Like you, I prefer to make a judgement based on science and data. I'd prefer to see people informed, rather than influenced. We won't always get it right, but it really makes no odds to me what people buy. I wear single layer jeans, and I wear lined jeans. I don't tend to wear leather much, despite knowing it's usually even safer than my lined jeans! All the very best and thanks again, John

[@bennettsbikesocial]

You can get a lot more data at the BikeSocial site, here: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/textile-jackets-trousers-suits/what-best-motorcycle-riding-jeans-kevlar-pekev-covec

[@davuspg]

Thanks for the reply John. I agree 100%, get the facts out there and let everyone choose. As almost all of my riding involves 40+ miles a day on the motorway I want the maximum protection possible in the event I go down the road, which is why I'll almost always opt for my Hood jeans until a legitimately equal single layer jean comes along. I appreciate Motolegends are a business, have products to sell and have chosen to stand by certain ones, such as single layer jeans, and I've no doubt they're right that one day lined jeans will be a thing of the past. I'm just quite disappointed with their approach to this, but as you rightly say, it's their channel and their choice which comments they keep or remove. All the best

[@bennettsbikesocial]

@@davuspg No worries. When I see complete and scientific proof that single layer jeans match the abrasion resistance of decent leather across their entire construction, I'll stop wearing lined jeans. Until then, I'll make my own choices. Also, while some stores might claim to be the leaders in promoting safety, I think the shops that allow you to search by A, AA or AAA rating, as well as by ECE22.05 or 22.06 for helmets, are doing much more for riders. Urban Rider and Sportsbikeshop come to mind, but I'm sure others do this too - maybe a way to assess a seller before you buy? It's just about allowing people to make their own, informed choices.

[@thegenxrider]

Had the same outcome, when I questioned the "chap in the cap" about my own Hood Jeans experience. Comments deleted, now blocked. I guess money rules over truth, surprise that :-)

[@jeremyr62]

I came off my Honda Blackbird on May 7th 2022. I live in Ireland. I was travelling on the M7 motorway from Dublin to Limerick. About 0700h, daylight, weather was good, dry about 10degC. I was going quite fast when it felt like the front wheel tucked under and next thing I know I am tumbling down the motorway. I was very lucky not to hit anything except the road. I spent the day in hospital. Plenty of cuts and bruises and a broken left hand (because my gloves flew off in the impact )and what feels like a broken rib. I was wearing Hood K7/AAA jeans with the Ghost T5 X 3DO armour, and I was wearing them because of this KZbin video. I thank my lucky stars I watched this and ordered the jeans in April. Cost me GBP196 (with a Tee shirt) and they are now ruined (firemen cut them off after asking permission) but they did their job. The right leg of the jeans was holed at the knee but the left leg was unblemished. The only leg injuries I had were grazes on my knees, I assume more from friction burns than the road. I recommend them! I will be buying another pair when I'm healed, and Hood want my old pair back to examine them. Thank you John at Bennetts and thank you Hood Jeans.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

I'm really sorry to hear about the crash, but genuinely relieved you're relatively okay! All the best, John

[@BobJones20001]

Thanks for the real world feedback. And for still riding a Black bird! Not many of them around these days in my part of the world. Knowing you are ok, how is the bike after your wee excursion?

[@jeremyr62]

@@BobJones20001 RHS is knackered but the left is fine. Bike didn't flip. Not sure yet if anything critical is damaged. I still can't use my hands so no chance to rip it apart to find out. My recommendation is don't crash, it hurts. 😁

[@Joh117John]

Thanks for sharing Jeremy, glad Your relatively OK for such a accident

[@kilobravo6272]

This comment in its self is better than most reviews. I've considered Hood before but fancied the mono layer jean instead. Now i'm not so sure about that idea.

[@greyanaroth]

This is one of the purest examples of responsible journalism in todays day and age of noise and deflection. Amazing stuff man, pls take a bow.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks so much! All the best, John

[@rubberonasphalt]

As a new rider, looking for protective gear and clothing was so damn confusing. Its so hard to separate the marketing from the science, and I had to spend so much time to research what works for my intended style of riding (Road commute vs Track racing). Sure its good to know things, but international standards NEEDS to be more clear and communicated better to us consumers. Great video!

[@paulvarnsverry11]

Standards are written in a language that’s targeted at standards users and as such they are not “consumer-friendly.” That’s why I’ve been pushing for clear information to be made available to riders, and to their credit John Milbank, Emma Franklin (Motorcycle News), and Tony Hoare and Martin Fitz-Gibbons (both ex-MCN and now working for Sportsbikeshop) have taken the challenge. I applaud you, @Pauly New Buns, for diligently conducting your own research. The information *is* out there, but it needs to be distilled from the error-ridden and commercially-biased content that populates the World Wide Web. Work is ongoing with the objective of creating a central resource which will provide clear, accurate, dependable information to consumers, journalists and the supply chain.

[@keltecdan]

Especially when riding jeans can cost upwards of $300. You want to know if you’re actually paying for a highly protective garment.

[@nihonkokusai]

@@keltecdanId rather go with motorcycle pants (black ones) than jeans.

[@Yowzoe]

@@nihonkokusai Which ones do you like, and how protective are they? Thanks

[@nihonkokusai]

@@Yowzoe I dont trust the Jeans actually and I fell already with traditional motorcycle pants and got unharmed away on my legs

[@digdougedy]

Pro cyclists sometimes crash at over 50mph in lycra and get up, finish the race and continue the next day with burns dressings. Personally, having had a few dings from cycling, motocross and road riding, I wear all the gear all the time. Seeing kids riding scooters in shorts, no gloves and bare feet makes me cringe.

[@cpuuk]

Your tests are the only ones I trust 100% as they are never less than honest.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks very much - really appreciate that! Please do help spread the word as I really want to see how much we can make for charity with this. Cheers, John

[@fairdinkum9454]

So true. Real, unbiased and thorough consumer journalism. Something we, the people, are highly deprived of today. Big kudos to Bennets 😇🙏🏻👍🏻

[@blipco5]

He certainly gives you a lot to think about. 👍

[@ka0skontrol504]

@@bennettsbikesocial If there were an Honest Trailers channel for motorcycle related equipment, minus the funny voice over, this would be it. 🤔

[@Kantuva]

When he asked about his mate getting away fine from his fall, but he himself getting a nasty scratch and the expert responding, my jaw just dropped, this is just incredibly good journalism, it just highlights how deprived we have been of it

[@jamjc1178]

Holy shit, how qualified is this guy? He does video editing and filming (content creation), he builds mechanical rigs (mechanical engineering), and builds circuits (electrical engineering)?

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Jack of all trades, master of none! Cheers, John

[@petesmitt]

When I was a motorcycle cop 40 years ago, I had wool jodhpurs which worked very well the few times I went sliding down the road; not only did they protect my legs from road rash, the wool weave barely showed any abrasion!

[@indy2867]

I have some wool blend riding jodhpurs I picked up as army surplus, they seem super hard wearing. I use them as winter (bi)cycling gear. I have a super thick pair of leather overpants from Vanson I use on the (motor)bike. I'd take the jodhpurs over street jeans any day, though.

[@Walkercolt1]

Leather, leather, leather. Leather SLIDES, doesn't heat up as much as aramids, doesn't "grab" pavement like fabrics do, but in the Western US in simmer (sic) it's hot, you sweat (silk underwear helps) good leathers are VERY expensive (12 oz. or more) and heavy and require maintenance. I've crashed an F-1 bike at about 185 MPH and slid 600+ feet (200 meters) into the hay bales, got up, lost no skin, walked over, got a new helmet, didn't have any skin burns from the slide, picked-up my evil old TZ-750, push started it and finished my heat race. Good enough test for me. Before most of you were conceived, but I've been street riding since 1967 and got my million mile award last fall from the AMA for AMA touring, all on sportbikes.

[@Yowzoe]

incredible story, thanks for sharing it. Do you have a recommendation in the US for reasonable leather pants for daily road riding?

[@ChrisHamilton-v7c]

I would agree I feel safer on leather gear

[@kerrylawless8163]

Phenomenal video John. A massive amount of work went into this and it's hugely helpful to me as a 49 year-old beginner to motorbikes. I also really enjoy your heartfelt, enthusiastic and down-to-earth delivery, no matter what the topic. Fantastic and important work you're doing. Sending much gratitude and respect your way.👍

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks so much, that's really kind. Welcome to riding, and do feel free to drop me a line at Bennetts if you ever need any help. All the best, John.

[@Scarletsb0y]

I have only been riding 3 years and still learning this info is always welcome.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

@@Scarletsb0y we're all always learning! Cheers, John

[@kerrylawless8163]

Many thanks for the offer John. Moved to near Almeria in Spain last July so am in a good spot for learning. Currently restricted to my 2021 Honda CB125R (which I adore) until I hopefully get my full licence this summer. Cheers again.

[@popuptoaster]

35 ish years ago i came off a bike wearing normal jeans, a tea shirt and a green bomber jacket, cost me a kidney, plenty of other internal damage and a fair amount of skin. Now thinking about getting back onto a bike you better believe i found this vid because I'm hunting for proper gear to wear this time! This channel and FortNine have been very helpful so far so keep it up, I was already looking at Hood jeans because I'm really tall (36" inside leg) and they have extra long leg lengths on their website so I'm happy they did well.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Sorry to hear about that, but glad your getting back into biking. All the best, cheers, John. PS FortNine can be great, but don't go too much with the security and locks advice from there.

[@monkeyfever]

Honesty and truth are so rare these days. Thanks for going to such great lengths to provide everyone with these results. You have excellent and very valuable information.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks so much! All the best, John

[@Lochlann13]

Holy cow, the depth and effort that you put into this research is nothing short of amazing. Bar none, this is the most informative, well-researched video on this topic that I've ever found. I was on the fence between the John Doe Stroker (lined) or Defender Mono (single layer), and this video has definitively answered that question.

[@bigal7561]

I'm from Oklahoma, 66 and a long time rider. Just found your channel and subbed. Looking forward to catching up with your content. So far, I'm very impressed

[@mahlonhollway4482]

That homemade test rig reminded me of a test I saw in a magazine back in the 80s - where they tested different gear from the back of a pick-up truck on an arm that dropped it to the pavement. Backing the material being tested was 50lbs of chalk - so as soon as it was worn through it would leave a line of chalk on the pavement and then they measured the distance from the start marker to the chalk line. Plain denim lasted only a few feet, leathers were best by a long shot, and textiles were somewhere in the middle. Some searching shows it was the Cycle September '88 issue. It was super creative real-world testing and showed that the textiles were closing the gap and a viable alternative to full leathers.

[@aidankilleen5889]

Finally, a channel that does truly comprehensive, unbiased analysis work. Thank you. We're all grateful for your work.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks very much! Cheers, John

[@shanestewart4905]

I questioned my sons recent purchase of lined kevlar jeans as i believed an unlined brand promoted by a well known outlet were better. Thank you!

[@matpagnolo7041]

This dude is just brilliant at these. Great to have proper references and science behind it all. Decent bit of work. Thanks for all the effort you put in. Outstanding.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks so much! All the best, John

[@Itsallgoinghoff]

Bit late to the party on this. Like most at this time of year I’ve been perusing bike kit to scratch the motorcycle itch in prep for spring. I was totally confused by all the jeans ratings till I watched your video. Thank you for all your efforts in all your videos- you truly are the Yoda of motorcycling kit and accessories 👊

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Be that I cannot, but thanks! All the best, John

[@wesleycardinal8869]

I think your comment at 19:00 was key to this topic. Having tested my own pair of Knox jeans with a 40kmh off, I believe it was the knee armour that saved me from serious injury ( I landed on my right knee). I was limping for a week or two, but no long term effects. Now whenever I am tempted to ride with my ordinary jeans, I think about where I would be if it wasn't for those armour pads. Abrasian and skin rashes hurt, but they heal. Busted knees or hips, not so easy especially for us older blokes. Thanks for the video - you put a lot of work into that. 👍🇦🇺

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks, and glad you're okay!

[@guard13007]

I think I know how you feel. I hit a guard rail at 40mph in the knee. In my case, didn't hurt my knee at all (well, I had a sharp shock of pain, but no bruising, limp, or damage after). In the same crash I did break a few bones in a foot and shattered a wrist though. All healed up now, except my wrist is acting a little weird. The armor saved my knee, and the garments kept me from having any open wounds. The breaks suck, but it wasn't that bad because of the gear.

[@s151669]

I crashed from about 70km/h with Hood Jeans. Older model without comfort liner, just the aramid. No armor either. Well, the denim was toast. Aramid held. Still I had wounds of size about 2€ coin on both knees - apparently caused by friction through the aramid liner. So, I recommend using armor. Or at least stick a scrap of leather there as a extra layer to absorb friction. Later on, after sweating half a summer in textile pants, I purchased another pair.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Glad you were okay! Cheers, John

[@OriginalR69]

Purely from a medical perspective, just remember, our skin is the LARGEST organ of the body, so we need to protect it... because it protects ALL other bodily functions underneath. Gouge outs, skin shears, abrasive injuries (gravel/road rash), internal soft tissue injuries, and fractures are all detrimental to our heath. No matter how experiended a rider is, accidents can happen. And, without a functional body, no one's riding anything, anywhere. Wearing appropriate gear can mean the difference between life and death. Brilliant channel! Many thanks for the time and effort you put into creating such valuable content. Kindest regards

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks so much, and a very valuable reminder. Cheers, John

[@quacktac]

I'm doing my DAS next month and was about to buy some single layer jeans under the impression they were safer than normal motorcycle jeans. This video is fantastic.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Hope the test goes well... enjoy yourself! Cheers, John

[@DrRussell]

Thank you for all your effort to keep us safe. Really appreciate the work you have put in; especially the way you have examined currently ignored variables like skin sheer. Those injuries can result in limb-threatening compartment syndrome and as such, warrant increased attention.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thank you so much! I must admit I had to Google compartment syndrome. All the best, John www.nhs.uk/conditions/compartment-syndrome/

[@paulvarnsverry11]

Skin shear mitigation by motorcyclists’ clothing has been known about since the mid-1980s. Dr Woods first described the phenomenon in those terms in the early 1990s, when he spoke of the role of linings in providing “shear force interception”. A few vendors have understood the issue and have taken appropriate steps in garment design to address it, but most seem oblivious and some ridicule the topic. As Dr Hurren states in the video, the severity of skin shear injuries generally isn’t significant, but as you have pointed out, Dr Russell, serious and severe complications *can* develop.

[@UrbanRiderlondon]

Amazing video John. Perfect illustration of what a minefield it is for riders navigating the regulations, ratings, fabrics and marketing claims on offer. We had intentions to do a similar test on our own channel but fell short of your remarkable ingenuity at how best to replicate the testing machines! My only thought is I wonder which jeans you used as your second AAA rated single layer test-subject. If it is the ones I think it is, they were recently recalled for not actually being AAA but AA which was a major embarrassment for all involved. I've always resisted claiming that single layer are generally better or vice versa as there are so many other variables at play beyond that one point, as you've rightly noted. Although you said this was never intended to be a group test, that would surely be another very interesting set of results. We have some brands claiming other brands products don't really deliver and it would be amazing to find out once and for all. The same applies to waterproofing claims and the performance of various armours used in the protective gear. - Andrew

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks very much! And don't let this stop you - I think the more explanations there are for buyers the better. Equally, I'm happy to share findings to help. I'm working on more content to explain it further, but the point is that EN17092 currently 'tops out' at AAA level, meaning buyers can get confused if they see some high-end leathers in the same category as single-layer jeans, for instance. I'm certainly a fan of single-layer, and wore some to a meeting on the bike yesterday. It's also not that ALL layered jeans are more abrasion-resistant than single-layer jeans, but these also weren't the most protective layered jeans on the market, and extensive testing at Motocap has shown that, of the many single-layered jeans tested, none have yet to meet the performance of a lot of layered jeans on the Cambridge abrasion rig, which gives the opportunity to compare the performance of various kit. If a pair of single layer jeans are released that provably match or exceed the abrasion resistance of good lined jeans (or even a single layer of decent leather), I'll be jumping at the chance to shout about them. For now though, I'll continue to wear AAA-rated single layer jeans for much of my riding, but switch to layered when things get a bit faster. Faster still and it's leather for me. EN17092 has given riders the chance to make better choices when buying kit, but they still need some knowledge of how the standards are met, and some guidance from the retailers. Oh, and the jeans definitely weren't those ones! All the best and thanks for the comment. I'm sure some buyers will be asking more questions now, but it's the best retailers and brands that will be helping them make the right choices. Cheers, John

[@bennettsbikesocial]

I've just twigged that you have a filter on your site to choose kit based on the A to AAA levels. Excellent to see and something I know more people are looking for!

[@RoganMatthew]

@@bennettsbikesocial I love that Urban Rider has this function on their site, every store should have it! I'm currently looking for a new pair of jeans and I've been amazed at the amount of times I've had to go searching for the safety rating, why it isn't clear displayed in the description I'll never know. Safety rating is at the forefront of every piece of motorcycle gear I buy so being able to quickly distinguish the AAA rated gear from A rated gear is brilliant. Well done Urban Rider.

[@aaronbraich6262]

Which jeans were recalled? I bought some AAA ones and now am worried I'm more exposed than I thought! They were not cheap!

[@RoganMatthew]

@@aaronbraich6262 it was from Oxford.

[@rocketrollsvlogs7625]

Honestly, this channel is my trusted source for safety knowledge.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks very much! All the best, John

[@planetpeckham1]

Fantastic! I own a single layer pair which I nearly always wear and an old pair of Hood jeans that have been languishing in the back of my wardrobe for about three years. Time to dig out the Hoods!

[@mrmotorcycle1977]

I appreciate your unbiased factual input. Being a northern Alberta Canada rider “heat” while riding isn’t really a concern. So thanks for steering me toward the lined jeans instead of the more fashionable single layer.

[@JamesWatsonPA]

This is definitely the most comprehensive video I've ever seen on motorcycle jeans. Thank you for making this. I hate to admit I never really thought about safety ratings for jeans and don't even know if they exist in the USA. I'm off to do some research.

[@johnnankivell5501]

Protecting the skin is really important because If you do come off or are hit by another vehicle, your body will be dealing with other injuries:- broken bones. Invest in an airbag jacket to protect your torso and back 😎

[@paulnorman8274]

In order for Slide TIMES; even if measured in a properly consistent and repeatable rig, to translate reliably to actual crash performance; there has to be some a priori assumption that the friction between the garment sample and the belt is fairly consistent across widely differing classes of garments. Even 20 second slide-time-until-wear-through, wouldn't help much, if you haven't shed any speed at all over the course of those 20 seconds..... That's not just me being pedantic. Anecdotally, riders in textiles slide further on track than riders in leathers.... The researchers interviewed in the video likely have better data wrt friction between asphalt/chipseal and various classes of materials. Even if abrasion was the only concern, slide-starting-speed, or energy dissipated, not time, is what should be focused on. In a real world filled with hard, immovable barriers which are dangerous at motorcycle getoff speeds, there will, in addition to abrasion resistance, also be an optimal friction coefficient for protective gear: High enough to stop you quickly, yet not so high that it causes excessive, injury causing, tumbling. Being a bit of a cynic, on account of experience with standardised so-called "scientific" mandates in other areas; I suspect this is exactly the "problem" the textile makers wants regulators to "fix" for them by a "suitably designed" "standard:" Textiles simply aren't even remotely as all-around good as proper leather for crashing on a bike. And also, once friction gets as high as competition-leather-against-pavement: Then craftsmanship; as in seam strength and placement; how tight the garment fits in order not to bunch; how well marketing-desired tiny armor pieces resists being pulled out of the way under strain on the garment resulting from a crash-and-slide etc., becomes a big deal. IOW: It becomes very difficult to get even remotely close to the performance of proper, well constructed and fitted leathers. Cheap-to-have-made-overseas, flappy and fashionable textiles, simply don't compare at all. Making really good textiles "may" conceptually be possible; but doing so would require fine, labor intensive tailoring and highly sophisticated design, materials choices and workmanship. Not just a fancy brand on a fundamentally cheap suit slapped together to game a rather sloppy test.

[@LucasSi919]

The fact that you built an entire rig just to test these for us really show your dedication. Thank you my friend this is amazing content! Not all hero's wear capes! Liked and subscribed

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thank YOU! All the best, John

[@joshmckean4951]

This is a great video. It has opened my eyes to the requirements the EU has placed on safety equipment. I will say, skin shear hurts…badly! I was involved in accident that left 3/4 of my back “burned.” I am extremely grateful for the jacket I was wearing at the time. It was ground to paper thin in some areas, but I was mostly safe. It took almost 6 weeks to heal, but I am back on the bike. Again, thank you for this video.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

So sorry to hear that, but glad you're on the mend! Cheers, John

[@lifelivedfuller2388]

You got my sub with this video. New rider looking for gear and it’s insanity out there. Thank you for your thoroughness and integrity. Helps to eliminate so much guesswork and confusion.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks for watching! Cheers, John

[@dennypaul1969]

Sincerely appreciate your time for delving into the details and educating us about the factors at play here. Love this video and all the others like it you've made! Thank you!

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks very much! All the best, John

[@Dean-does-Stuff-81]

Personally, after watching quite a lot of these videos and also having spent many thousands over the years on clothing, my view is that i will look for clothing that looks quality. Priced well, and contains high quality armor. The more armor the better imo. Once the fabric has gone (say 2 or 4 seconds) the only thing you have left is tge armor. Then your skin, bones etc. The more you have covering you, the better. If you want the best protection, then custom is the best way to go. As it will fit you better, meaning you have less likelihood that the armor moves in the case of an accident. Plus, it depends on how you ride, what you ride and when you ride. Stay safe out there peeps...

[@willyrackham2957]

A really important video Al bikers should see this ...despite nay Sayers saying fully lined jeans were ...too hot ....old fashioned ..not as good as single layers ....however my fully lined roadskins are great so comfortable ...glad I bought them so I hope you test them at some time.....thank you

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks very much! It really is all about helping people make informed choices. Single layer jeans can be great, but riders need to know the differences. Cheers John

[@johnhackett9064]

This is some of the best journalism I've seen outside major news corporations. Congratulations on some open, honest, well researched, clearly communicated and useful information. And hats off to you for donating the proceeds to charity.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks very much! Not everyone agrees, but they have their own agendas...

[@malcolmbullock4297]

Adding to the G analytics :) Seriously many thanks for this video, very interesting (as someone who has just don’t a 1000 mile trip in lined jeans!). Some serious questions there for Moto legends to address. I nearly went out of my way to visit them expecting that their pricier gear would offer me better protection. In the end I bought new jeans online using the ratings and reviews …. Glad I did now. Cheers

[@bennettsbikesocial]

I've never been (I'm not sure I’d be welcome), but it looks a great store and there's some excellent kit in there. However, I do want people to be able to make informed choices when buying, not be swayed by sales bluster. It's not all about Hood as there are many good lined and single layer jeans for sale. But not necessarily all in one place. All the best, John

[@gilvansouza]

The quality of the content is superb every time. Comprehensive, fair, transparent and delivered with charisma and in an interesting manner. Thank you very much!

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks so much - that's really kind! All the best, John

[@NinjoJas0]

This is exactly the deep dive information that I need to make an informed decision. Please keep up with these videos. Cheers

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks very much! All the best, John

[@latestviking]

Thank you John @ Bennetts. Journalism done at best!

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks so much! Cheers, John

[@HardwareG33k]

Having just bought some expensive single layer jeans rated AAA, it's disappointing to see just how little the new ratings actually mean. Thanks for this valuable information, I wish more independent testing of this sort was done.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

The A to AAA ratings are genuinely valuable, but abuse of their communication is undermining them. Phrases like "they say 'A' but..." are just confusing buyers. The certification takes into account abrasion resistance, tear resistance and seam strength, producing a useful guide to what performs better. AAA is better than A, and if someone says "but it was only tested to A and could have done better" then that's irrelevant as we have no proof. The law was brought in to stop brands making unsubstantiated claims. All of the levels, though, only product a pass, so while AAA is the best you can achieve under EN17092, you can't tell how AAA-rated garments compare. That can mean that some brands will try to infer that a single-layer pair of jeans are as protective as a pair of one-piece race leathers. It can be argued that on the road, if you hit a car or a tree then the abrasion resistance is irrelevant, but it's all about making an informed choice. I know that a set of decent (and I don't mean they have to be the pinnacle) leathers are safer than motorcycle jeans, but I choose to wear the jeans most of the time I'm riding for myself. I want people to make informed choices, not influenced choices, and some stores do help with that. Claims of 'slide times' show a lack of understanding of the test methods and certification, whereas stores that allow you to search for products by the A, AA or AAA ratings seem far more genuine about putting rider's choices first. Given the certification method we currently have, I'd recommend people to choose AAA-rated jeans, then decided if they want single-layer or lined. Cheers, John

[@HardwareG33k]

@@bennettsbikesocial thanks for the detailed response. What I meant was mainly in reference to the fact that the two AAA jeans performed very differently while the AAA monolayer didn't even outperform the A. It seems like maybe the abrasion requirements in the new norm are simply set too low? How else if not through the rating is one supposed to know what is "safe" to do with the garment. With such a lower abrasion performance than expected, I might not want to take those jeans up to highway speeds for example.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

@@HardwareG33k The AAA monolayer was very similar to the A, but this was only an abrasion test. The A-rated jeans had an abrasion resistance that could pass AAA, but we don't know if they'd pass the tear or seam strength tests. I'd always recommend buying AAA-rated single-layer jeans for that reason; it's a guarantee that all the tests have been passed - and they are all important. With regards to the lined jeans and leather beating the abrasion resistance, that's where the planned BS 13595 should help; if all goes to plan, brands will have the option to demonstrate the performance achieved beyond AAA. It still will never be a 'slide time', but it will allow buyers to compare products more easily. Cheers, John

[@HardwareG33k]

@@bennettsbikesocial that's helpful, thanks!

[@CasaMaryParadise]

I was wearing good kit. Came off at 40 km. Broke my ribs, back and pelvis. Kit was not damaged. Shit happens. Nice presentation

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Hope you're okay now! Cheers, John

[@Jesusprayerwarriorbw]

I love your research standards & honesty! Also how you call out bogus reps & manufacturers!

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks so much! We honestly just want people to be able to make informed decisions when buying. Cheers, John

[@AleksiJoensuu]

I spend quite a lot of time on KZbin. Of the 350+ channels I've followed over the years, this channel is the single only one I've actually clicked the bell icon on - and you didn't even have to ask.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks so much! All the best, John

[@IanTed]

Having had a big off a few years back, hip armour is essential, wouldn’t wear any motorcycle clothing without armour. My personal favourite for jeans are made by Knox as are all my gloves, great kit…

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Glad you're okay! Cheers, John

[@annastebelskyj580]

And this is why I've been wearing leather right from the start. My first pants were vintage 90s leather pants with no armour, but at $20, that's good value. Now I have a zip-together Alpinestars set I picked up second hand for $300. The perforated leather panels on the jacket and stretch aramid paneling in the pants are a definite improvement for temperature regulation.

[@paulcummings8611]

Fantastic information as always. I wear Bullit jeans with covec lining with hip and knee protection. Cool in summer warmish in winter.

[@vnsfxr]

You were able to cut through the marketing hype and explain things very well. I give you 5 out of 5 stars for your dedication in trying to do the testing yourself. Thank you!

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks very much! All the best, John

[@dragoclarke9497]

Great video, I appreciate a proper, unbiased, test. Like you I chose Hood jeans, here in the UK heat isn't usually any problem, but even in a warmer climate I'd choose protection as the first priority. I think the Air Ambulance services in the UK are deserving of the money from this video.

[@richardpetty9159]

You have protections priorities that must be balanced in Texas and a lot of the U.S. during the summer months. Heat stroke and/or dehydration is a possibility.

[@AsmodeusT]

Thank you so much for doing this. I am a new rider and am grateful for any information regarding safety, especially when it comes to clothing. Motorcycle equipment is not cheap and this will reduce the chance of me wasting money.

[@hdi1200]

What a great video! Looking forward to the textile test! I appreciate the time and effort it takes to do something like this. Thank you!

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks for watching! Cheers, John

[@nickpezz9838]

I feel so blessed that I discovered this channel before my bike arrives next week. Amazing work! Merry Christmas for 2023!

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks so much, and a Merry Christmas to you too... enjoy your bike! Cheers, John

[@chrisgoes9610]

Really appreciate the amount of effort that goes into these studies (eg chain lube). Love the transparency of testing, openness of flaws and analysis of data. Keep em coming. Great job 👏

[@peterwilliams1004]

Like Ride magazine used to do, but don't seem to these days.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks very much! All the best, John

[@bennettsbikesocial]

@@peterwilliams1004 I used to work there! John

[@marka5202]

Very thought provoking. A heck of a lot of work must have underpinned this video, so thank you for that, really appreciated. Regarding the retailer of single layer jeans that you have singled out, I am a fan and repeat customer of theirs (although never yet bought their jeans) because no one else takes so much effort to inform us punters of the pros and cons of various kit in a non brand influenced manner. One key reason I love them is that they genuinely seem to have us riders interests at heart, and of course I'd hope this is truly the case over their margins. And they do sell some truly great (and very protective kit e.g. Shoei/ Arai). But a different perspective is always welcome. I know your time is limited, but given the retailer very regularly promotes their message about how single layer jeans can be more protective than leather (and by inference, more protective than other jeans), would you be able to regularly (maybe twice yearly?) update the wisdom contained in this post, so at least there's some balance to the view being aired? Either way, thanks for the excellent posts, my jeans selection has become more clouded but I'm grateful for it.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks very much! We've actually just launched the Bennetts High Performance Award, which allows manufacturers and importers/distributors to PROVE their claims. Gold award just requires the existing test certificates to be submitted, while Platinum and Diamond require a small amount of testing to be done by a notified body. The claims made by that store would put the jeans well into the highest categories if they're true, so proof is all that's needed. It's already interesting to see which brands are embracing it, and which aren't. Strangely, not everyone is as enthusiastic as most consumers to make the protective performance of protective kit more transparent. www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/high-performance-safest-motorcycle-clothing

[@sergeantsodom6969]

As usual sir you have exceeded expectations. I'm sure I'm backed up here when I say a huge huge thankyou!

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks so much for watching! Cheers, John

[@johnnybuttons8814]

The contribution your team provides to fellow riders is appreciated and heartfelt. Personally, I trust your research and advice when purchasing any clothing article intended to protect my backside - and more 😃. Cheers.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks so much! All the best, John

[@robinford4037]

In 2014 i had a low side accident at 35 mph, rolled and finally tumbled into a ditch. I was wearing draggin jeans 32 INCH INSIDE LEG ( I am a 30 INCH INSIDE LEG) but they were a special order and what the hey! bought new in 2009 with separate knox knee armour and knox undershorts hip armour ... the jeans kind of worked but the stitching on the jeans knee area acted like perforations on paper ( like tearing out a coupon or check from a check book ) and tore along the line of stitching. I found that the jeans had moved down a few of inches during my ride, so the stitching which holds the kevlar in place was now on the knee instead of a few inches above my knee ( even higher if I had the right length ) The the result from tumbling ( I DID NOT SLIDE ) are my the jeans were ripped open to the shin and the kevlar was pulled down below the knee. Knox knee armour saved me from any injury ( except my pride ) hein Gericke jacket with a separate back armour saved the rest. My only injury was bruising to the palm of my hand because of light weight thin leather summer gloves, I replaced the gloves with a model with scaphoid rigid armour on the palm, you live and learn they say and what I learned is make sure you have the RIGHT LEG LENGTH FOR YOUR JEANS, DO NOT GET JEANS TO LONG, AS THE ARMOUR MAY NOT EVEN BE COVERING YOUR KNEES WHEN YOU COME OFF OR THE STITCHING MAYBE RIGHT WHERE YOU HIT THE ROAD !!!

[@bennettsbikesocial]

So sorry to hear this, but glad you're here to tell us! Yes - the armour makes a massive difference to the abrasion and burst properties of the material. All the best, John

[@robinford4037]

@@bennettsbikesocial one last observation, I spent alot of money on gear. Your reviews, among others, are invaluable so we don't waste time and money. But here is my personal experience, buy the best gear you can afford (THOUSANDS) AND DON'T GO ON A BLOODY DIET !!!

[@bennettsbikesocial]

@@robinford4037 Opposite problem for me! Suffering from cake retention

[@FIyingPengwin]

This content is the reason why I am subscribed to this channel. Great video, always appreciated.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks so much! Cheers, John

[@tHaH4x0r]

I applaud your dedication to independence and numbers, even buying a proper test setup. Might it be an idea to couple all the 4 sample beams together? Then you are certain they would be at the same position, and with the assumption of a relatively flat surface, they would spend a similar amount of time on the surface, even when bouncing. At least it would allow you to do comparative testing between the samples of 1 run.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

I can see your thinking, but the road is way too imperfect for that I'm afraid - is surprising how not flat it is! Cheers, John

[@martinfoster5163]

There are rigs which Dr Chris Hurren designed that work quite well on the road but they are mechanically complicated and probably took a while to tweak. Chris has one that stays level using 2 levers and I believe it can lock out after the first impact to reduce subsequent bounces. Bounce is a real phenomenon though so removing all bounce goes against reality. Doing one sample at a time is very time consuming. Ask me how I know this!

[@ChasingTenths]

I always only wore leathers only but this changes my mindset in a positive way

[@cp4512]

Great video. I ride in leathers or AAA lined jeans and was wondering about the single layer jeans. Think I’ll stick to AAA lined jeans for now.

[@jamesfromnorway2840]

Excellent video with an unbiased and objective approach and clear conclusions. Please keep up the good work. We bikers need more of this and less BS and hype from individuals and companies that have a financial interest in the info they provide. Good job 👍

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks so much! Have a great weekend, cheers, John

[@jockmcjock8411]

I always said the ‘chap with the cap’ was a salesman making videos biased to the product they sold, which is only natural, but not to be taken as anything other than that. Independent tests as shown here are far better than ‘it’s B but we reckon it’s A even though it’s not been tested to that, maybe even AA’ which is simply irresponsible. How anyone can guess a rating and then sell it via a marketing video on KZbin is beyond me. Thank you for showing the masses that posh coffee and tailored videos are not the best way to look after customers.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Motolegends looks to be a great shop with some superb gear on offer, and some of the advice given has been very good. I also like that they do breakfast mornings as it's brilliant to encourage riders out (and of course a clever sales idea). But the new certification method, while flawed, was introduced to stop false or overblown claims of safety being made. Rokker's own website just states the certification, not making conparisons with leather, for instance. It honestly makes no difference to us in any way what people choose - all that matters is that people can make informed choices. I like single-layer jeans a lot, but I also wear lined jeans, and sometimes leather. If single-layer jeans can be proven to be as abrasion resistant as decent leather (I tested 1.3mm cowhide) across their construction, then I'll be among the first to buy some, and I won't bother with lined again. All the best, John

[@phil4986]

What a great video on motorcycle clothes abrasion resistance and durability in a crash. The skin shear Dr.Hurran is talking about in seniors ,especially bedridden ones,, is truly heartbreaking to see, because it requires the patient to be handled very carefully and essentially lifted to stop the pressure damaged skin from just slipping off the layer underneath it. In a motorcycle crash,the same kind of skin shear moment might happen from say a biker falling onto the road and his elbow slamming the asphalt and the protective gear not sliding on the road but transferring the impact motion through the garment directly into the skin layers inside the garment. I have experienced this with denim jackets on asphalt where my jacket did not rip or fail but the skin on my forearm and elbow took a heck of an abrasive slide impact from the inside of the denim jacket moving against my skin. When it happened I wondered what in the heck is this? Then I felt the inside of my denim jacket at those points and understood the physics of it. Dr.Hurran had alot of new information I never heard before but the silk suit thing for MotoGP riders made complete sense. I always wondered how they could slide at 140 miles per hour across tracks and gravel and get up relatively unhurt. I know they wear full leathers with massive armor but the silk suit thing just underscores street riders can always learn something from the professionals like the MotoGP riders and Dr.Hurran. Without a doubt,.that Cambridge test with 60 grit should be the standard. Like you said ,the worst case should be the standard. Thanks to Dr.Woods for designing and developeing the Cambridge test. I actually favor the suits,gloves and jackets for this with the armor in them. And as always....a full face helmet. Excellent video.

[@paulvarnsverry11]

Skin shear and the role of linings in motorcyclists’ clothing in mitigating its effects has been known about since the 1980s, and the function of linings in providing “shear force interception” (a term coined by Dr Woods) further remarked upon in the 1990s. There have been some detractors who claim it is a non issue and ridiculed the matter. As Dr Hurren says in the video, skin shear injuries resulting from motorcycle accidents are generally minor, but as Dr Russell has pointed out elsewhere in the comments, complications such as compartment syndrome can occur and these can lead to life changing medical intervention, such as limb amputation (read up on how multiple World 500cc Champion, Mick Doohan, almost lost a leg to compartment syndrome). My stance on this is that if motorcyclists’ protective clothing is intended to mitigate injury, then skin shear is a factor that can be resolved by fitting a lining. Not fitting a lining is, to use the old phrase, “spoiling the ship for a happ’orth of tar” - not completing the job.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thank you so much for this comment, and sorry to hear of yiur injuries! All the very best, John

[@Watson2108]

Another important thing to look out for is that most of the cheaper jeans are only reinforced at the key impact areas (knees, butt etc.) I got two pairs of triple-A rated single layer jeans by John Doe, they are almost as comfortable as a normal pair of jeans but with abrasion resistence throughout, from the bottom of the legs up to the waist.

[@wunsen95]

love my John Doe jeans, wear them as my normal jeans even when not riding

[@Watson2108]

@@wunsen95 They are awesome! Definitely worth the 250€ price tag. Got a military-like jacket now. Just remove the back protector and you wouldn‘t know it is a motorcycle jacket😎

[@bsidethecside2283]

Thanks for this, good to have a proper discussion driven by the science and free from commercial pressure. A rarity these days!

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks very much! All the best, John

[@Scarletsb0y]

As always you video is so much more than just how good an item is, this is how testing should be done as there is no hidden agenda with you. Thank you again for these awesome videos they make my decision making much better.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks very much! As long as people can make an informed choice, that's all that matters to me. Cheers, John

[@StealthJackson12B]

This is by far the best comprehensive content I've seen on biker pants

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thank you! All the best, John

[@nickedwards5440]

Thank you for the test, very interesting. One question though, how can Moto legends still make their dubious claims about the superior performance of Rokker jeans when the results say otherwise. Shouldn't Trading Standards or similar be involved.

[@madcockney]

Moto Legends are normally pretty accurate and truthful in their videos, and have been known to pay for tests themselves. However sometimes what we believe and what is fact are different.

[@PMitchell106]

I just ordered a pair of Hood SK11's after watching the full video. I really appreciate this information! I've been riding in Rev'It Brentwood Jeans which are aramid lined and armored at the hips and knees. They are very good, but I need at least an additional pair as I ride 7 days a week.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Don't forget you can wash them both as the claims of kevlar degrading in the wash aren't true! Cheers, John

[@martinfoster5163]

Great video. I was thinking I didn't need to make a video of my research but I think I still should. I was disappointed that your road rig didn't work out. Mine was very reliable. Your conclusion is similar but the results aren't. The problem with the Cambridge and the Darmstadt test is they use a flat sample holder. This is not anatomically correct for impact zones - they are all convex. Also neither have any realistic impact - they are both essentially slide only tests. In my tests, with a realistic impact (1m with 5kg) and a hemispherical sample holder, on a medium asphalt road, materials failed much quicker than would be seen on the Cambridge test. Whereas, leathers in single or double layers did considerably better than you'd see on the Cambridge test. In any case, I'm happy to share your video. It's very valuable info.

[@Sarj_ent]

Absolutely loved the way Dr. Hurren pronounced asphalt...ashfelt. That would be a fantastic name for motorcycle pants ™

[@Geshmaal]

Really interesting! I find I get too hot in my lined RST jeans (AAA rated) so I've been considering single layer stuff that's a bit smarter looking for office use. I'd bought into Rokker being the top of the range but thought I'd be alright "cheaping out" on some cheaper AAA rated single layers. I guess at the very least I've learned that you aren't necessarily getting more protection for the premium, maybe there are other benefits in terms of comfort/quality though. Keep up the good work!

[@waynedl99]

I think, if you're uncomfortable in lined jeans, it's worth having some single layer jeans, because otherwise, it's easy to wear normal jeans or trousers etc for work...

[@Geshmaal]

@@waynedl99 I ended up getting some Dainese Classic Regular Aramid "jeans" (they just look like smart trousers). They have an Armalith construction like Rokker jeans (at half the cost via SBS discount might I add) but extra Aramid in the knees and seat. I think it's a good compromise really, hopefully I won't need to test that!

[@davemitchell3998]

very informative...makes me wince when I see riders out ther in vests & shorts

[@Chris-gj4br]

Absolutely love these reviews, the only trustworthy advice I've found out there, thanks for the hard work 👍

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks! Have a great weekend, John

[@cajadaj]

Great video and puts perspective on all of it. Notwithstanding the choices, I came away thinking ‘Better put the armour back into my jeans’ DocBike and the Biker Down courses for the donations. Thank you.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Cheers - I'll add those to the list ready for a poll later in the year. Yes... please do use that armour! All the best, John

[@steven482]

As a motorcyclist and a cyclist, im happy someone is trying to unmuddy things Ive been down road a few times. Ive always used jeans and gravel rash has been an issue in a couple of offs. More recently tho i struggle to get actual jeans to fit me (slim, not slim cyclist legs), price was always an issue and still is So no matter how comfy they are or cool they are. IF you are spending £150+ on trousers then my mind boggles because this kind of money is out of my reach. I now use a pair of "Tuffstuff" (£20 cheap Dikkes) and they are hard as nails, been off peddler 3 times in same pair - a combination of speed and impact. Im not saying they are better than proper certified jeans, im saying they are a very good cost effective minimum. Triple stiched all over with a patch hole over knee for pads (builders pads), this alone gives extra protection. Always wear protection guys, its a second skin. Stretchy girls style trendy jeans or similar is "zero". I cringe seeing people in shorts T-shirt, i will not wish pain apon you but you are a Darwin award waiting to happen.

[@JHallam77]

I love this channel. I myself always use full leathers on my blade

[@erocnw1341]

Excellent video. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and for including scientists. I always suspected that single layer jeans might not be as good as lined. Performing good lab testing can be difficult, and even more difficult when industry lobbyists get involved.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks for watching! All the best, John

[@ViciousXUSMC]

I just got my first riding jeans, one pair is single layer and one is lined. Based on what I see here lined has more protection when specifically tested, but something that is not really mentioned is the "overall" protection provided because the single layer the entire pants are protected, as compared to the lined products that only lined some "higher risk" areas. Accidents are not predictable, not knowing how/where the fall will happen it makes me wonder if we have to re-evaluate this for the true "best". For clarity, if a single layer was real world tested not on a machine but a person and on a scale of A-F with A being the best got a "B" on every single test for how well it protected the person, and the lined pants got an "A" on some tests but a "D" on others where they person ripped thru the non lined areas. To me personally I would probably say the "B" grade all the time is the safer and better option despite its best rating being lower.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Some liked jeans are fully lined, like the ones in this test

[@BlackThor15]

Another great video John, your reviews are awesome and truly informative, well done and thanks for sharing so much important information to everyone interested in biking!! 👍👍

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks very much! All the best, John

[@Paspa1801]

Hi John! Another great video, I love when you get your scientist on! I always take reviews from retailers with a pinch of salt, after all they are trying to make money and can’t do that if they don’t make people want to buy products. It’s great to have someone with no agenda talking about this stuff. As for the charity I think should get the money, bikers against child abuse is a wonderful group!

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Great suggestion and thanks for watching! Cheers, John

[@Paspa1801]

@@bennettsbikesocial I also meant to say that I decided to join bike social and I’m really glad I did! I was wanting to buy a new AGV helmet and you guys had a discount code with sports bike shop that saved me £50! Paid for itself already!

[@bennettsbikesocial]

@@Paspa1801 that's awesome, thanks! All the best, John

[@ThePlatonius]

After watching the video I went and checked what kind of riding jeans I own. Was happy to find that I had bought double layer on both cases :) They are from two different brands and I have both knee and hip protections on both of them. When I bought them, I thought all pants come like mine are and didn't even think there where single layer jeans available for motorcycle riding. Very informative and interesting video, Thank You for making it!

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks very much! Both constructions have their own advantages and disadvantages, but sometimes they're not made as clear as they could be! Have a great weekend, John

[@MrCaptainstern]

"So I built a rig..." Man I love this channel :D

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks very much! All the best, John

[@BenLuts]

Very interesting video! I just wanted to add, I recently bought a pair of Rokker Rokkertech jeans and they now are certified AAA. Mine also came with both knee and hip armour. I remember reading somewhere that Rokker initially only went for A level certification, due to costs of having to have to test again for every color way, so they had their entire range tested against A level initially, just to be allowed to sell them.

[@paulvarnsverry11]

@Ben Luts : It is not correct that every colour option has to be tested for abrasion resistance, tear resistance and seam strength. Provided the physical fabric specification does not change between colours, then test results for black, for example, would also cover navy, red, yellow and sky blue pink. The only additional test evidence required would be for chemical innocuousness of each separate colour - pH and absence of azo dyes, in this case. That can prove costly, although using materials suppliers who either already possess the data or who are Oeko-Tex or bluesign certified will avoid that expenditure, but Rokker would have needed this evidence to certify the original A classification range. Whatever you read was incorrect.

[@ianfutcher1518]

That’s a worry that the Rocker are now certified AAA. The tests in this video show that Rocker performed the worst.

[@majordelays4909]

@@ianfutcher1518 😟

[@neilhorsfall6432]

@@paulvarnsverry11 without hip armour (as per the jeans tested) they cannot achieve AAA

[@paulvarnsverry11]

@@neilhorsfall6432 : Correct! AAA and AA classification jeans *must* feature fitted hip and knee protectors, whereas A classification need only be fitted with knee protectors. It’s one of the flaws of EN 17092 that overall classification is more affected by the extent of impact protection fitted, than of the performance of the garment itself. The downside to the system is starting to dawn on more and more brands - as is the fact that the AAA requirements are not that difficult to achieve, and also provides no ability to recognise nor reward superior products that perform well above those requirements. My previous comment here covered how chemical innocuousness is factored into certification.

[@delicatebalance47]

Brilliant video as always. So nice to have honest, unbiased information on safety gear!

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks very much! All the best, John

[@LittleGvlogs]

In AA and AAA jeans hip armour is mandatory, so if it doesn't have hip armour it can only be class A. I work in the industry (clothing shop) and found that this has been an issue with some suppliers and labelling. Where initially they have claimed to be AA and even labelled such, when I questioned the lack of hip armour, they have admitted it was a mistake and hence the jeans will only be A. I think the jeans you bought possibly wete meant to be tested to AA but as they decided not to include hip armour only tested to A. Might be why the test result of A and AAA you done weren't as different as expected. Just a thing to think about that lack of hip armour will mean the jeans will only be A even tho other protection might be higher (similar to what you said about class B)

[@bennettsbikesocial]

That's a very good point, and I'm kicking myself for not considering that. It does explain why the Slim jeans are AA-rated as they do come with hip armour. Thanks very much! Of course, it does't explain that 'official CE slide time' or the claims of being 50% more abrasion resistant than leather, but it does clear the rating up! All the best, John

[@paulvarnsverry11]

Basing overall EN 17092 classification of clothing on which items of armour are fitted is one of the flaws in EN 17092 that are slowly dawning on more and more manufacturers. To pick up on John Milbank’s reply, the classification should be based on the performance of the materials and constructions - AAA, AA or A - and Class B dispensed with. During a recent meeting of the British Standards Institution subcommittee for motorcycle clothing standards, one brand’s representative proposed that the EN 17092 pictogram should contain one box for performance classification, and a second box denoting which protectors complete the garment’s certification status. This would enable consumers to differentiate between, for example, Class AA + H + K jeans, where hip and knee protectors are present, and Class AA + K jeans; and between Class AAA + FB + S + E jackets (back, shoulder and elbow protectors) and Class AAA + S + E. These recommendations are unlikely to happen soon, however, as there is no appetite whatsoever amongst industry representatives in the European Standards committee to re-open EN 17092 for revision.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

@@paulvarnsverry11 Thanks Paul!

[@Pomoz7]

Excellent video. Your passion shines through.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks so much! Cheers, John

[@adamgoodsell4170]

Thank you John for another excellent, informative and enlightening video. I feel I have been seduced and somewhat mislead by the “single layer” and “slide time” story. As a result of your video I have now ordered a pair of Hood lined jeans. So many thanks. 😄👍

[@blackshuckthe3rd879]

Hi. Had a pair of hood jeans for approx 10 years which a very good and have stood the test of time. Only problem in summer they are too hot (winter lovely) had to have mine altered which the lady did at the time then they were in attleborough Norfolk. Stay safe.

[@mikeessary4925]

What is the name brand of the jeans? Thanks

[@mks4018]

I absolutely appreciate channels like this that go the extra mile and try to explain stuff to us, people don't realize how important content like this IS. Again, thank you a whole lot

[@lockstockb0b]

Really interesting results. I’ve a pair of lined jeans that until recently thought were below the benefits of single layering. Glad I didn’t spend the money on an “upgrade”. Will be sticking with my layers until they are done ! Don’t think your testing rig produced throw away results as in a real world you won’t be in a perfect slide. While not repeatable consistently I still think the results have validity. Especially the bursting! Wonder if your named retailer, who really do ring the bell of single layering, will have any response.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Cheers! The problem with the rig was inconsistency. All the best, John

[@disco41]

Love my Hood jeans even more now👍. Great vid again John thanks 👍

[@quintonb9870]

Never watched your channel before, but you just picked up a subscriber. Being able to put at least a modicum of trust in a test/review/etc is a luxury. Fortunately there are more and more channels are going away from the *shill model and ostensibly doing independent tests and reviews. Keep up the good work.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Thanks so much! All the best, John

[@jog2501]

Great video, thank you, really helpful to see how the different testing and standards compare. Sounds like the intent to prevent misleading claims has been only partly successful! Like you, I've got a pair of Hood K7s which I love, and like you, I don't find that the lining makes them too hot - when I am actually riding. But, when walking around off the bike on a hot day, they certainly can get very warm, and so I have ended up getting a pair of the original Oxford AAA (later downgraded to AA after the testing organisation announced they had made a mistake!) single layer ones too - especially as I am off to Spain and Portugal soon. In 2019, Ride magazine did a group test of jeans, some lined, some single layer (and a pair of ordinary jeans for comparison. They dragged them behind a car with a 22kg sack of gravel in them. The lined ones performed noticably better than the single layer ones, and the Hoods won the best buy award. They then repeated the testing two years later with just single-layer jeans and overall, the latest did rather better. My Oxford ones got a best buy, though in fact some Knox ones did better for absolute protection, doing virtually as well as the Hoods had. I take your point that scientific testing in controlled conditions is very useful, but it is, by the nature of the controlled conditions, somewhat divorced from real-world conditions. The Ride test method is less tightly controlled (and the assessment of damage rather more subjective,) but maybe has more real world relevance? There are always compromises, and Any jeans will be placing comfort further up the importance list. Most of us are prepared to do this in at least some circumstances, otherwise we would all be wearing a full set of race leathers every time we went to the shops. Or walking.

[@AleksiJoensuu]

A point on protectors though: I see a lot of protectors on the market which just seem too damn small and/or incorrectly placed. Just taking into account the vast differences in the sizes and shapes of human bodies, how can a hip protector the size of a postage stamp be expected to protect a wide enough area? And more often than not, the same size protector is used for all those jeans ranging in size from 28" to 46". I would love to see some serious effort put into making protectors cover a larger area. One option would be to make protectors which taper far out to the sides. That could yield a wider protective area without adding too much bulk.

[@bennettsbikesocial]

Its definitely important to have them stay in the right place. Cheers, John

[@paulvarnsverry11]

I’ve been pushing for additional size requirements to be added to EN 1621-1 for the past 20 years. I have submitted several papers on the topic to Working Group 9, the European Standards committee responsible for developing standards for motorcycle clothing and equipment. The main players in the motorcycle clothing industry which are or have been represented on that committee have rejected my proposals each and every time. Furthermore, as you have highlighted, Aleksi, there is nothing to prohibit clothing brands from fitting the smallest, “Type A” protectors (EN 1621-1 confusingly uses Type A, smallest, and Type B, largest, to designate the two sizes in the standard) into every garment in the size range; from Women’s XS to Gents’ 5XL, for example. While the main brands represented on WG9 refuse to address this obvious issue, nothing will change.

[@AleksiJoensuu]

@@paulvarnsverry11 Yep Paul. I took a look at some of the riding jeans we have in our shop. On some, the hip protectors are around, I dunno, 7cm wide and the same size protectors were in use across all sizes in men and women's jeans. They can't realistically hit the correct spot across all the fitments. The best in the shop was Spidi, who have used (comparatively at least) very wide protectors for both the hip and knee pockets. Also, the knee protectors are easily removable through a hidden outside zipper - I think this will help more people wear the protectors. A lot of people buy riding jeans for their commute and wearing the jeans throughout the working day. Many end up ditching the protectors because they don't want them there throughout the day and they feel it's too much of a hassle to take the pants off to remove and reinstall the protectors. With the external removability, perhaps those people might end up using them more.

[@stevegee7593]

I have a pair of Hood jeans. Used them for 5 years on my scooter and now use them for gardening, They still look good. When I say scooter it was a 600cc, and may have got up to 110mph. I also had a jacket from Hoods but that had no armour. So I used Forcefield under armour for the body protection.

[@windyrun7979]

I recently started using protective moto leggings and pants (the 2nd and new 3rd versions) with 65% UHMWPE and claimed CE AA rating (come with level 1 rated armor). I am curious how well these protect during a slide and if they will MELT when sliding and how that would affect me. This is what needs to be tested and independently verified since these types of materials are appearing everywhere including these single layer riding pants. I also use Rokker Chino Black and Sand colored riding pants. These seem very durable though I have not tested and they have a light weight comfort liner. These Chino Rockers seem good at deflecting heat from my bike. I am thinking maybe using the Panda Moto leggings with the Rokker jeans. The Panda Moto leggings are very comfortable.

[@abdullahX001]

I love the behind-the-scene-style shots where we see the main camera and teleprompter setup!

[@bennettsbikesocial]

It takes me way too long in editing if I don't script it first!

[@abdullahX001]

@@bennettsbikesocial makes for a more pro quality end product. Thank you for the epic work you do

[@bennettsbikesocial]

@@abdullahX001 thanks very much! All the best, John