Best PC Controller 2022 (IMHO) Flydigi Vader 2 + reWASD - Gamepad Talk

[@RambleCan]

This was mainly for the people who keep asking me what I'm using lately. I still 💖 the steam controller but it was discontinued 3 years ago at this point. I've been branching out and trying other controllers and remappers.

[@PaulStargasm]

Have you tried the 8bitdo Ultimate Controller? It seems to have gyro, analogue triggers and back buttons. Only downside I can see is the shape (hand grips don't look comfortable) but I've never tried one myself so I don't know how it performs. I'm UK so it doesn't seem that I can easily purchase the Vader 2.

[@RambleCan]

I don't have the Ultimate but I have other 8bitdo controllers and the limitation is that you can't have analog triggers plus gyro. It's either Xbox mode or Switch mode. Plus they aren't fully supported in ReWasd.

[@PaulStargasm]

@@RambleCan Ah, thanks for that tit bit of info. That isn't something that would be included in any website specs. Useful to know. Then I think my only option is this controller you use. Just need to find a source.

[@Gummelgimp]

Did you ever tried the gulikit King Kong pro ?

[@Anna_Rae]

The only thing that’s keeping me from trying it out is the inner back buttons. Designs like that are often not comfortable for my hands. I’d say the most comfortable 4 paddle placement for me was the Elite 2. But that thing breaks if you breath on it.

[@RambleCan]

I thought they'd be way more awkward than they are. They don't require much pressure to activate them plus the angle works well with the side of my finger.

[@PaulStargasm]

My left bumper on my steam controller broke last week. Totally gutted as i have no spare. Will try to fix but I'm not optimistic.

[@RambleCan]

The bumpers were always a weak spot on the steam controller. My condolences on your loss. 🥹

[@ItsBoyRed]

Did the plastic break or the switch? There are 3D printable replacements available for free if you have a printer

[@PaulStargasm]

@@ItsBoyRed a small piece of plastic. Still have the plastic but I don't think glue would hold it.

[@PaulStargasm]

Oh and no, don't have a 3d printer. :(

[@ItsBoyRed]

@@PaulStargasm If you dont know anyone with one, i can only recommend you superglue : /

[@bland9876]

For those that don't know the dual sense edge has a shorter battery life than the normal PS5 controller. I keep seeing videos where people complain about the battery life on the PS5 controller and not the dual Sense Edge one so all those people should definitely pick up a dual sense edge.

[@Midori_Hoshi]

I had no idea you can make the extra buttons unique for the Flydigi controllers on reWASD. I thought that was an Xbox Elite controller only thing. Like you, I always feel like there aren't enough buttons on controllers, so I will be sure to explore Flydigi's controllers now. Thank you very much!

[@xMRxLAMAx]

Totally agree with the change in the controller configurator with steam input feels like a lot more work, even just to look at everything. When Valve finally change over big picture mode to game mode I hope there’s still a way to use the old big picture mode instead

[@RambleCan]

Unfortunately I think the plan is to replace it entirely with the new UI.

[@orderlyhippo1569]

Actually, they recently made it a bit like the old big picture mode so now you can click around in the “preview” screen. So you can click on the joystick on that big screen and it takes you to the joystick input section

[@bland9876]

If you have the setting to use big picture overlay in desktop mode then it will still use the og configurator but if you use big picture then it opens gamepad UI just like a Steam Deck.

[@LordMarlle]

It's really time for a Steam Controller 2

[@LyndanTylor]

I can't tell you how badly I want a good Steam controller with all the issues of the first resolved.

[@bland9876]

And a steam deck controller as well.

[@NonEmployee]

I'd love one too, but I'm not sure if it would help much. As RambleCan says, the issues are with Steam INPUT, not the controller. The new version could have many great features and improvements, but if the software is just as buggy, or likely more buggy, it'll still be frustrating to work with.

[@itsacopy]

Wow, just search about those controllers + rewasd. I bought a Vader 2 last month, loved the controller, and them it stopped working by the second day. I took my money back and bought a Steam controller finally. I lovd using the steam controller, I've been using for New world and Sniper elite 4 a lot, but anything outside steam is a pain, and steam input is terrible for now. I'll probably buy a Apex 2 in the next days to play other things! One other thing: this controller has awesome ergonomics if you use the triggers a lot, but R1 and L1 was kinda out of range, I had the back buttons mapped as R1 and L1 because it was easier tu use with frequency

[@RambleCan]

Hmm, I haven't noticed a problem with reaching the bumpers but I have kinda long fingers. I like the Vader 2's bumpers more than Steam Controller's.

[@OmairArif]

The sticks on the Vader 2 are actually removable as well, the ones which come with the Apex 2 fit on the Vader 2.

[@RambleCan]

Well I'll be... haha. I never actually tried to yoink them off.

[@alsorew]

Same on the Vader 2 Pro. Never seen anyone mention it before, not in any official description, discovered it by accident! :)

[@dgcsst3]

I'm using the Apex 2 Zaku Version for a year now and it's still amaze me whenever I use it hahaha My only complain is the software in PC 😆

[@Vortal_Cord]

I still mainly use the SC for anything that involves precision but the Vader 2 is pretty awesome.

[@goon8002]

Why? It’s very inaccurate. I think joysticks are more accurate, especially if you get an extended stick. Do you happen to have any video of it being used with high precision?

[@Vortal_Cord]

@@goon8002 This very channel has a ton of SC videos so look through those. Trackpads are 1:1, unlike joysticks. Once you get used to them, which admittedly can take a long time they're undoubtedly more accurate.

[@RambleCan]

I definitely feel like trackpads are more accurate than joysticks but unfortunately there's not a decent controller still in production that uses trackpads plus I was getting frustrated with steam input. My channel never really showcased high skill / competitive gameplay, it's just not who I am but if you search for steam controller vids you can find some others who showcase how accurate it can be.

[@ElDubsNZ]

I'm hoping for an Apex 4 or Vader 3 that brings back the bxy slider, brings in pressure senstitive abxycz buttons, and adaptive triggers. It'd be the perfect controller.

[@mexrell]

always nice to see new controllers the face button analog thing on the apex is wild hahah

[@RambleCan]

It's definitely the most interesting one. I just wish it had analog triggers.

[@greenjp779]

I heard that the Vader 2 is an awesome controller, but I really like the Vader 2. It has so many more buttons to map, and that flymouse xyb tool is extremely helpful in games like elite dangerous or milsims

[@simongiavaras7787]

If reWASD implements some of the features for their steam controller that you mentioned in your last update video I'm gonna switch. But I need the haptic feedback and hair trigger still. It's a shame that steam input is stagnating or even regressing

[@no_categories]

Let's just send them an email... :)

[@raandomplayer8589]

There's gamesir g5. Got a touchpad but rewasd is still working on support.

[@kasakka]

Great video! In future videos, could you just leave out music completely or mix it very low? It was sometimes hard to focus on your voice.

[@thegreatbum2446]

I don't know what kind of issue you had with the Apex 2 but personally I've never experienced any type of dead zone in the controller. It feels as if it responds immediately. Of course, that's only if you're testing the controller with the FlyDigi Space Station. ReWasd could potentially fuck with the dead zone settings, especially if you're assigning the default configuration for an Xbox controller, which comes with very specific dead zone configurations.

[@RambleCan]

This was in reWASD but it's on a config with the same deadzone settings when using the Vader 2 or Apex 2. The Apex 2 would need a higher deadzone than the Vader 2 and that was my experience as well as another person using that same config (Star Citizen) with the Apex 2.

[@ItsBoyRed]

ReWASD could be the greatest if they wanted to listen to feedback, i have 3 main issues with it, and each one of them is a dealbreaker for me. 1. Forced poll rates, they forcefully limit it at low values, for the Dualsense its 125hz, when its 550hz on steam. this makes the gyro feel floaty and gives a noticble inputlag. 2. Weird acceleration on gyro, that cannot be turned off. 3. No linux support Each of these points has been brought up multiple times to the Devs, and they are firm that they have no interest at all in any of these points, sadly. I like their advanced settings, their snappy software, the ability to save your configs easily as a file, instead of steams glitchy cloud solution. It's also amazing that the config is chosen in the software, and not by what game/program it detected to be running, causing issues with weird launchers or overlays... looking at you steam..

[@ItsBoyRed]

I typed this while watching, you talked about some of the points but i will just let it stay anyways : )

[@RambleCan]

I've never noticed input lag in reWASD but I don't seem to be very sensitive to that. I've also heard people saying that the Flydigi gyro sucks but again, just hasn't been something I've noticed or experienced.

[@pawes7418]

@@RambleCan Flydigi's "SOMATOSENSORY" have some kind of deadzome with very little moves , I'll say that it's comparable to steam input gyro with movement treshhold at 0.025 (one dot)

[@ItsBoyRed]

@@RambleCan i may be hyper sensitive due to using 0 smoothing on steam gyro with a 144hz 1ms monitor for a few years. But its still there, and their reasoning for keeping the pollrate at 125hz is lame.

[@PeaceMaker-cy6xj]

this is the controller that replaces my steam controller at the moment, even though I prefer steam. the problem is steam gyro input of any gyro controller is drifting.

[@lionoh]

I actually found this vader sob last night As I was browsing controllers. I ended up ordering another controller. But I have this one in my save later,after new years I'll order one.

[@maxmeyers771]

Hey I know it's an old video but do you have a suggestion on a 2.4GHZ dongle compatible controller? I'm in a bit of the same boat regarding steam controller and wanting to branch out.

[@digiemagemarketing8470]

❤❤❤ So when will we be getting the squad mapping? As well as if I gifted you a 6 days in fellusia game key would you also mapp those controls as well 🎉🎉?

[@RambleCan]

I haven't played Squad in a long time. I'm kinda waiting on some ReWasd updates (radial menus) and I'll probably get the Vader 3 once it's more available. Plus I have less free time now due to work so things have been on hold.

[@JoonKimDMD]

I just placed an order for direwolf but I kinda want vader 2 instead. I think the extra 2 buttons on the front would come in handy. Yeah...I think I am going to return direwolf and get vader 2. I didn't quite understand the gyro function you talked about. I thought all the gyros are the same. You can actually download the software to adjust the deadzone and sensitivity I believe.

[@RambleCan]

Direwolf isn't supported yet for full remapping (though I'm sure it'll happen in a patch or two). I picked one up too.

[@JoonKimDMD]

@@RambleCan I am returning Direwolf. It has the worst D pad ever~ it's so sticky. If i press upward once, it get stuck and doesn't pop out until I press down. Cheapest material D pad ever!!!

[@ZeeroDubs]

Appreciate the vid. You've sold me on it. The price makes it a no-brainer.

[@RambleCan]

The Direwolf is the newest one and even cheaper (though like I mention it does have less input options). I'm really curious about that one. I don't think it's even confirmed yet to have full reWASD support but it likely will once it's more available.

[@goon8002]

Thank you for pushing gamepad design in the correct direction. For many years, I’ve been saying that I can design a better gamepad than what’s being made by Sony or Microsoft. I can also design better ones than these. If Sony or Microsoft wants me to design a “Masterpad” for them, let me know. I can bring console gaming into the future. I can actually do the same for keyboard and mouse. Although, I must give props to Sony on the adaptive triggers. I didn’t see that as an option. I can improve those too, still.

[@DatHandle]

I feel like every new controller that comes out looks interesting to me until I find out there's no dual-stage triggers. Rocket League is my obsession and I learned to play with a Steam Controller with gas on right trigger and boost on a full pull and realized, for this reason alone, I simply cannot use any other controller to play the game. Does anyone know of any other controller that exists out there in the world that also has dual-stage triggers? Such an incredible feature that I imagined other companies would implement, but....I'm still waiting....

[@RambleCan]

I don't know of any current controllers. Dualsense (and probably Flydigi Apex 3) can kind of simulate it but it doesn't feel as good as the Steam Controller's actual digital click under the full pull.

[@talking_mudcrab]

How would you rate gyro precision in comparison to Steam Controller? I can't find any info on polling rates in Hz of the Flydigi Vader 2

[@RambleCan]

It feels the same to me but I'm sure what the polling rate is. I use the gyro heavily and haven't noticed any problems.

[@InklanUtterfield]

Why has this become your preferred controller over the Apex 2?

[@RambleCan]

Analog triggers so it's more versatile. Apex 2 is cool but I found it limiting to not have analog triggers.

[@InklanUtterfield]

@@RambleCan oh, I see. Thanks for answering 🙏

[@Musicdog9]

Hello!!! Can you say about Vader'S gyroscope? This gamepad can turn on gyro everywhere with a combination of buttons, without steam or reWASD input settings right? I saw on different reviews, people had turned on gyro as a right stick in android.

[@RambleCan]

The gyro can be used as a right stick in the Flydigi app (no steam input or rewasd). I haven't used the app much though but it does let you remap buttons as well as gyro.

[@xveno0mx934]

Have you issue with vibration via rewasd? its playing only 1sec and then gone? And using via original flydigiPcSpace vibration even in low setting wiggle gyro hard. Deadzone for gyro not work properly in original app. I make 2 ticket. 1 for rewasd and vibration duration this problem in emulator because even in steam and xboxs pad vibration gone too but after a longer time. 2ond ticket i make for flydigi and thier app for fix deadzone gyro option.

[@robertherrick6703]

I'm thinking about buying this controller but I do not have reWASD yet. Does reWASD have the Steam equivalent of action sets?

[@RambleCan]

ReWasd has Shifts which are similar to steam's sets / layers.

[@robertherrick6703]

@@RambleCan Thanks!

[@Soultaker0215]

So this controller as with or without rewasd

[@_amakaN]

Do you feel like the Vader 2's gyro is as good or better than the steam controller?

[@RambleCan]

It feels about the same to me. Like I mentioned, I've heard people say that Flydigi controllers have a bad gyro but it's not something I notice. I haven't really noticed much of a difference in any gyro enabled controller I've used but I'm not really the type who's hyper-focused on having a competitive edge.

[@Space_Pad]

With rewasd not allowed in some games what is the support for this controller like on Steam Input if it has any?

[@RambleCan]

You won't be able to remap the extra buttons in steam input. You can use the Flydigi App but it's not as robust as rewasd.

[@Space_Pad]

@@RambleCan Can the Flydigi app be combined with Steam Input so the extra buttons can be customized where Steam isn't able to?

[@sergeigema7741]

I'm eager to know what you think about alpakka controller

[@RambleCan]

Looks really cool. I'd buy one if I could. I don't have access to a 3d printer and don't want to build one myself.

[@Garcia98]

Can emulators like Cemu/Yuzu/Citra directly access to the motion controls of this controller?

[@RambleCan]

I have no experience with emulators. Sorry.

[@Zastrutzki]

It's weird how not one single (chinese cloning) company has tried to fill the void the steam controller left. You'd think there would be at least one clone on the market. Or are we just crazy and the thing was never any good? I've got 4 of em, one dead with a broken L-button for spare parts, two and three in use, nr. four still in the packaging. I use it still for most of my gaming, although the PS5 controller (with 4 back paddels modded onto it) has been creeping into the rotation whenever there's a game that supports its sweet sweet haptics and adaptative triggers.

[@RambleCan]

I think the biggest hurdle of a trackpad focused controller is that it's going to be software dependent to handle mimicking a stick. But yeah, I'd love ANYONE to make a trackpad focused controller. We don't have any currently being produced.

[@Gummelgimp]

Can All the Buttons also rebind in steaminput ?

[@RambleCan]

No. It's only through reWASD or the Flydigi app that you can rebind everything. Do NOT get this if you only use steam input.

[@Gummelgimp]

@@RambleCan thanks. I just looking for another controller for my steam deck. I know ... I love my steam controller too. But sometimes I want something Else with Real rumble ... but will never miss gyro and back paddles...

[@aboveaveragebayleaf9216]

Have you tried the gulikit king Kong 2?

[@RambleCan]

No but to my knowledge you can't have analog triggers and gyro with it. It's either seen as a Switch Pro (no analog triggers) or an Xbox controller (no gyro).

[@aboveaveragebayleaf9216]

@@RambleCan damn, I'm kinda thinking along the same lines as you. What do you do if your sc breaks? It's just so unique.

[@aboveaveragebayleaf9216]

Also is there a way that you've found to have two different gyro sensitivities depending on a button press/touch in steam input?

[@RambleCan]

You can have different sensitivities on the gyro by default with trigger squeezing (trigger dampening in gyro settings). For other adjustments put a modeshift on the gyro and select the button / touch you want to activate it and in that modeshift you can have a different sensitivity. You could also apply an Action Layer to change the sensitivity but that route would require a load and unload binding to toggle between the Layer and Default.

[@aboveaveragebayleaf9216]

@RambleTan cool thank you, I'll mess with those options. Been using it in Team Fortress Two, and I like a relatively high sensitivity up close, but would like a little more finesse at the longer ranges

[@budgetking2591]

polling rate?

[@RambleCan]

I have no idea. Sorry.

[@jadedbreadncircus9159]

I think the Steam Controller drove all this innovation, even though people shet on it. I really need a tactile d-pad & 2 analog sticks. I still have my used Steam Controller & I keep it in it's packaging like it's a priceless relic. I need something for Street Fighter 6 though, so I need a great d-pad. This looks pretty good.

[@extremegameplays7404]

9:30 you can get the old big picture layout back by opting out of the beta

[@RambleCan]

It's a stop-gap measure. The plan is to fully replace BPM with the Deck UI. The days of the legacy configurator are definitely numbered.

[@extremegameplays7404]

@@RambleCan I don't think I'll be using steam input anymore when BPM gets fully replaced with the deck UI. It's just so terrible and clunky to configure anything compared to the old big picture.

[@RambleCan]

Yeah. I *really* don't like it and it's not just because I'm stubborn and used to BPM. I've been using reWASD so I can switch between drastically different UIs. When I use the Deck UI for anything beyond very basic and casual remapping it is very frustrating. It makes me not want to tweak a config that much.

[@ananon5771]

Any way to use this one on linux (rewasd does not support linux at all from what i remember)?

[@RambleCan]

Not that I know of. (I'm a total linux novice though, having a Steam Deck is my only experience with it).

[@ananon5771]

@@RambleCan ok, thanks, if you don't think it works, it probably doesn't work. And deck is a great start for linux, its not perfect from a "linux purist standpoint", but more than solid. (And don't worry about being new, happens to everyone, id probably be rusty with windows)