Best Podcast Setup for in studio or guests and co-hosts in two locations

[@KevinRossRN]

Update on a workaround if needed: For those that have had to purchase a mic equivalent to the ATR 2100, or had the issue of audio being fed back into both channels of the Zoom, try this instead. In the video I have the 1/8" to 1/4" connected from the ATR's headphone jack out to the Zoom's channel 2...Instead: Connect that same 1/8" to 1/4" cable out of your computer's headphone out jack and into the Zoom...so to reiterate, it's not coming out of the ATR's headphone jack. Then, make sure your computer settings and Skype audio settings are that the ATR is still the input, but that your output is the computer's headphone out. Your signal still goes to the Skype caller via the USB connection and their signal is carried to you from your headphone out of the computer and "mixed" into the Zoom where you should be able to hear them and still be isolated into 2 separate tracks for post production.

[@HeyGreggie]

Kevin Ross is there a way to get in contact with you through Skype so you could help me with this process? When I use this method my zoom H6 picks up a pretty annoying HISSING sound.

[@KevinRossRN]

@@HeyGreggie have you tried the updated method (workaround) in the pinned comment at the top?

[@eamonrodeck741]

@@KevinRossRN I have the same problem as HeyGreggie. Interestingly though I don't hear the hissing if I'm playing for example music from iTunes or Spotify from my computer, however if I use Google Hangouts, the output from my computer has a hissing noise. Any ideas on what to troubleshoot would be great. Thanks. I am also doing the workaround where I attach my 1/8" from the headphone jack on my Macbook and attach it to the 1/8" input on the X/Y mic on my H6.

[@KevinRossRN]

@@eamonrodeck741 it's possible that Hangouts could be the issue... Let's try a couple things... Which browser are you using? And, make sure it's updated. I'm the Google hangouts settings, have you tried adjusting output volume via the program? For instance like decreasing sound in the program while increasing the gain on the Zoom's channel it's plugged into? Also, you can try the opposite by increasing output in the program and decreasing on the Zoom... Try to have audio levels at around - 6db or so. Have you tried turning on the Low Cut in the Zoom to 80Hz? Comp/Limiter would be vocal2 as well. Any phones near the computer during the call? Also, have you tried it something like FaceTime (if you're on a Mac) Skype, or any other similar program?

[@eamonrodeck741]

@@KevinRossRN Thanks. I'll try out these things and let you know. One thing I also tried and noticed is that if I plug my Computer Output (1/8") into one of my 1/4" inputs on my H6, the hiss doesn't exist. It only happens when I plug it into the 1/8" input on the X/Y adapter. I'm not 100% it works, because my 1/4" is a TRS so therefore it sounds tinny. I need to get a TS 1/4" to truly know.

[@estefaniadarsi1740]

I Watched this video early 2019 and now (2020) that I'm actually getting started and buying the equipment I was going nuts trying to find this awesome detailed video. I've watched many videos about podcast setup and this is by far the best one I have seen. The details about setting up when doing solo podcast episode and when interviewing someone who is not physically present is just the best! Thank you Kev!

[@KevinRossRN]

Hey, it's my pleasure to help out...and thanks for jumping down here in the comments to let me know. Really appreciate it. I still use this setup in my workflow. What's your podcast going to be about?

[@TivBoiMedia]

Thank you for this excellent video. You explained a lot I didnt even know I needed to know. I recently was lucky to find a Zoom H6 for just $100 on Offerup. They owner upgraded and sold the H6 because it got messy sticky. I took it home and wiped it clean with some cotton and spirit/nail paint remover solution. It looks brand new now and works perfect. It also came with bot XY and MS mics.

[@KevinRossRN]

Wow! Now that’s a deal right there. Awesome find on your part. Love to hear it.

[@thejuiceup8989]

This is actually the first informative video I’ve watched on a podcast set up for beginners. Thank you 🙏🏾

[@KevinRossRN]

Well I’m very glad this was helpful. Thank you for the kind words.

[@BradFinn]

Kevin thank you so much for this walkthrough. It was detailed and simple to follow. I have done interviews through my channel and I am looking to up my production quality and also do some in-person interviews. I thought I was going to have to watch 4 videos to get all of this information. Def going to try having my Zoom call travel through the Zoom Recorder through my mic. Im excited to see how much of a change I see. Thanks again!

[@RelevanceForTodayMinistry]

Hey Kevin thanks for taking the time for all of us so we can learn how to succeed God Bless you Man I look forward to more of your videos!!

[@KevinRossRN]

Really appreciate that! Seriously. Glad it helped and I hope you do find success. Certainly keep me posted. All the best.

[@shevorigene9357]

LOL, it was so funny when he said “well..today” talking about the mini usb idk it was jut super funny to me 😂

[@mictache]

This video is exactly what I needed! Simple enough yet professional gear and not on a huge budget! It's such a relief, honestly, especially when you're not from this space and you can get lost down the rabbit hole of opinions on different specs! Thank you so much!

[@KevinRossRN]

My pleasure... And thank you. Yes, a very simple setup like this can take you quite far... And yes, we still use this same gear for all of our podcasts as well as video production. Look forward to hearing how it all goes for you.

[@NileRiverGod]

Ugh. Thank you! I've been looking for ages on here for someone to EXPLAIN a decent set up. Now we have an understanding of why and what to invest in down the road! THANK YOU!

[@KevinRossRN]

Happy to be of help.... Do you currently podcast or are you looking to get one started up in the future?

[@NileRiverGod]

@@KevinRossRN we are just starting to record as in not going live until Mid October. We've got decent equipment to start but definitely looking at Zoom and ATR's for the future.

[@KevinRossRN]

@@NileRiverGod that's awesome to hear about your start. As far as budget is concerned, I would prioritize mics first (good audio is everything... Well except the info and story are important too ;) And then think about a handheld recorder... If you can swing both, great, but definitely the mics first. Feel free to keep me posted on your endeavors.

[@brandygoebeleveryhomeneeds8199]

Our Zoom H6 was the best investment we could have made for our show. Highly recommend!

[@KevinRossRN]

You're warming my heart over here! I'm super stoked for you and I love that you bounced back over here with an update. So glad I was able to help. Keep rockin' 🤘🎧🎤

[@alayaescape3455]

You're a legend mate and I love your humility and the way that you talk TO us and now DOWN or AT us. Champion effort all around!

[@KevinRossRN]

Super stoked for this comment. So happy it helped. Are you looking to start a podcast or do you currently have a show?

[@alayaescape3455]

@@KevinRossRN Hey mate, we are going to start a vlog set up, as well as regular pod casts. Have some lighting but still need to get all of the things mentioned in your tutorial, as well as probs a camera. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Cheers. Craig

[@KevinRossRN]

That's awesome...So for setting up around a table, as far as lighting, I have done a video on the Godox SL-60W Lamp with an Aputure Light Dome II. That could light your area, although there are other options of course. As far as the video, are you going to remain locked off on a tripod, or is this something you're going to be moving around with, telling a story (vlog style basically), where you'll be out in your community or traveling around? I personally use Sony cameras, however when you're first starting out I always recommend trying to stay within budget...well, always stay within budget. If you're doing locked off shots in a studio, I mean, you could just start with a smartphone really and then sync up your audio in post, which I literally just released that video yesterday. Anyway, would love to help. Feel free to send more details if you want and maybe we can narrow things down.

[@kevinbatts2804]

I have this exact setup. I'm pumped now I can bring on guest with ease.

[@KevinRossRN]

Yes! It's a great setup indeed. Have you been podcasting for awhile, or just starting out?

[@kevinbatts2804]

@@KevinRossRN for a while now.

[@KevinRossRN]

@@kevinbatts2804 Awesome. 🎧🎙️

[@skoue4165]

Excellent info on the mic. It didn't sound particularly great to me, but that is fixable. But I get asked a lot about recording remote and have never had a really cost effective answer so this is great, totally off my radar.

[@KevinRossRN]

Awesome, glad to help. And there’s certainly more software solutions out there for remote recording, but I still come back to this setup.

[@VeryFatBubba]

Kevin, I just wanted to say thank you. I'm new to podcasting and I'm just getting my feet wet with the technology/recording equipment and all the ins and outs or do's and don't. It's been a grind if I'm going to be honest. I've seen searching all over youtube for help with setting up a virtual conversation and the ideal recording levels, inputs and outputs and what you described was perfection. By luck I have the same microphone you do.....so all i needed to do was make the investment into the Zoom H6 and the headphone cable that I bring back and put into channel 2. I'm going to be recording tonight and I'm going to test it out. THANK YOU.

[@KevinRossRN]

First, I really appreciate you commenting about your own appreciation. I enjoy helping where I can. This is really great news that you're about to embark on your recording tonight. Best of luck and I hope that this all goes well. Be sure to let me know. Break a leg!...figuratively speaking of course 😉

[@VeryFatBubba]

@@KevinRossRN Worked like a champ Kevin. I was trying to see if I could get your set up to work with cleanfeed.net and it just wasn't happening. So I downloaded Skype and BANG! It worked just like you laid it out in your video. I was able to check my levels on my H6. The microphone perfectly and with the head phone jack going into channel 2, it was Yahtzee baby!I was able to adjust the gain, the Zoom H6 was a stretch purchase but I'm so glad I bought, there is no substitute for great equipment. #thecadilac I've not had a chance to review the tracks yet, but will and I"m very excited. One of my biggest hurdles is trying to isolate the "echo" I get when using a cleanfeed.net or ipDTL. Some of my listeners have said they have had to adjust their volume nobs to hear my guest or myself talk.#BAD. I'm very excited with the prospect that your suggestions could have very well solved my problem! You are the man! So thank you! It was extremely refreshing taking your suggestions and they worked like a charm.

[@VeryFatBubba]

@@KevinRossRN Hey....I wanted to come full circle and just say, Thank you! If you've missed it, let me be clear....THANK YOU....then THANK YOU and while I'm at it...THANK YOU. The audio quality is perfect. I was able to adjust the gain to make everything sound better! I was able to remove the "echo" which has been the bane of all my existence and more importantly...I've been able to elevate my recording game because of your help. It's just that simple. I feel compelled to return the favor, so I wanted to make a commitment to you. I'm going to try and see if I can run the same set up with Zoom instead of Skype. When I figure this out, I will upload a video and share with the masses my success. Honestly, the Skype worked out great and I could continue to just keep using that, but I'm a trend setter and like to create frustrating circumstances for myself. So there you have it. If your goal was to help others with their podcasting set up, please know, mission accomplished. I'm forever grateful! Keep smiling Kevin and I'll see you on the road of happy podcasting! Smash the day! Renick (my podcast is called A Renick Podcast, if you felt compelled to want to listen to my madness.)

[@KevinRossRN]

This is REALLY awesome to hear. So glad that this setup works out for you. For podcasting and audio work this setup is just on point and I was coming from full on 8-12 channel mixer setups to get similar results. As a filmmaker (mostly), this is one of my most useful pieces of gear in my arsenal...except for my camera of course. I too like to push things a bit with the tech and would be interested to hear about your results with Zoom. If you post a video (no pressure) just tag me/let me know and I'll check it out. Also, just subscribed to your podcast and I'll definitely take a listen. So awesome that you circled back around with the update. Literally makes may day...And, you're also helping out the community here by letting them know about your results. Helping each other. 👊Go rock faces!

[@VeryFatBubba]

@@KevinRossRN Good Morning Sir, I have a technical question for you. This week when I used the exact Skype set up you used I though I had the volume down on my microphone, but I didn't so I was able to hear my voice on track #1 (which was isolated for only my voice and my guests voice was not recorded) and then on track #2 I was able to hear my guests voice and my voice. But if I turned down my microphone all the down to almost mute I was able to hear my quest, but my voice was still being recorded on track #2. If I muted my microphone, I wasn't able to hear my guest, but my voice didn't record. What am I doing wrong? This technical issue is killing me. Any insight you could provide would be super helpful.

[@ogonzilla]

Thanks for the help...was looking for something like this!

[@KevinRossRN]

Well it's my pleasure to be of help. Are you just starting your podcast?

[@ogonzilla]

@@KevinRossRN We been at it for a year. Moe and O Photo show. Also made a podcasting video on my channel. Thanks 😊

[@KevinRossRN]

@@ogonzilla Very nice! I'll pop over there. 👊

[@saptarshic]

This was really helpful, Kevin. Your audio sounds fantastic!

[@KevinRossRN]

Glad this helped. Thanks! Keep me posted on your progress 🎙️🎧

[@TheSneakerPrincipal]

Thank you... I am having my second podcast at 7am in the morning... you video just took my setup up a notch. Now I am able to have my guest on their own channel!!! Using the Zoom H5 and the Samson Q2U. Thank you so much 🙏🏾

[@KevinRossRN]

Well, happy to help. Just as a reminder as noted in the pinned comment at the top, just make sure the 1/8" to 1/4" cable is coming from the headphone out of the computer (set your computer audio settings to headphone), and the 1/4" still goes into the Zoom's input 2. this is just exclusive to the Samson Q2U mic. Best of luck!

[@DrJoyy]

Thank you so much for this set of podcast videos! I purchased all the equipment exactly as you mentioned (except for a H5 instead of a H6) and my podcast sounds amazing so far! The only issue I'm having is that with my skype interviews I am bleeding into the second track even if the volume on the 2100 is set to zero. Is there anything I may be doing wrong besides that? If you could have a video on adding effects, intro outtro music, etc to take a podcast to the next level I would greatly appreciate it. THANKS!

[@KevinRossRN]

If you're still bleeding into track 2 after the volume all the way down, try to plug that 1/8inch to 1/4 inch mono cable in the headphone out jack on your computer and into track 2 instead. Keep everything else the same. See if that works. Let me know if it does or doesn't and I can try to help you troubleshoot further. More videos are definitely coming for the podcasters.

[@artjohnson01]

Very tricky...and very clever. I think I’ve seen something like this demo’ed on You Tube elsewhere, but not exactly the same. This seems to be a complete solution to the mix minus issue using a recorder only, ie. no mixer. THANKS.

[@KevinRossRN]

Yes, the mix minus issue was (always) a problem, and something that I typically had to use a full mixer set up with....I think I even did a video on that. Anyway, yes, this has streamlined that process.

[@VesnaVK]

@@KevinRossRN do you have a link to your mix minus video, by any chance?

[@pennsylvaniajunkie]

Hi Kev! This is the best tutorial I've seen on KZbin thus far for mic setup! THANK YOU for breaking it all down! I'm working on polishing up my podcast audio and have one question... What is the purpose of the audio cable you included in the description links? Thanks so much for the help! 👍🏼😊

[@KevinRossRN]

So if you were to plug in your headphones into the headphone jack of the ATR, you'd hear the other person's audio coming through there. Right? Trust me, right ;) However if you want to have that person's voice in another track, you're essentially taking that audio coming through the mic (because it's connected to the computer via USB) and pulling it from that headphone jack on the mic and putting that signal into track 2 of the Zoom. This is why I have the headphones being plugged into the Zoom itself because this is where you will hear your audio going into track 1 (because you're plugged into the Zoom via the XLR) and the guest/host's voice is going into track 2. So remember, when you plug this mic in via USB and you go to your audio settings on your computer the ATR is your audio IN as well as your audio OUT. Does this help? Happy to provide more info if needed.

[@pennsylvaniajunkie]

I did catch that in your video, and thank you for explaining it all! I guess my main question is... Are those steps you take only for virtual guests?

[@KevinRossRN]

Yes, only for virtual guests. If you have another guest/host in the same space, then they'd have their own mic (obviously), which would then be plugged directly into track 2.

[@pennsylvaniajunkie]

Awesome. Thanks for clarifying, Kev!

[@stephenmcgivern9686]

Kevin this was excellent. I am hoping to record my short stories as podcasts and your advice on the low cost mic was invaluable. Cheers from Scotland.

[@KevinRossRN]

That's great! Happy to help. Best of luck on your podcasting project. Feel free to keep me posted 👍

[@kevinbatts2804]

Wow I was using a mixer to get this same result. I never considered using my Audio Technica like this. Thanks

[@KevinRossRN]

Yep, I used a mixer as well... Actually did a video on the mix/minus set up with it... Once I got the ATR and the handheld I was blown away at what I could do.

[@mrparker7882]

Hey @Kevin Ross I was curious what the difference would be between the suggested recorder and say a Yamaha MG10XU mixer? It seems like I'd get more options along with similar functionality for a cheaper price. I would just need something for strictly podcasting. Thank you for taking the time to answer our questions!

[@KevinRossRN]

I used to use a mixer similar to this. I just had to create the mix/minus functionality so that the caller's voice wasn't looped back to them, but yes, you can. For me, the handheld's footprint (being smaller) is more ideal, you can record directly onto the handheld, and you can also plug it into the computer to create an audio interface and just set up the tracks and record directly into your DAW. But the simple answer is yes, you can. If a mixer can be plugged into a computer (creating that audio interface with the caller), then you should be good.

[@CodeDeb]

I have the ATR 2100. I love the sound produced when I use the XLR output. But for the USB output I end up with an audio level that is way too low

[@KevinRossRN]

Which audio interface are you using via XLR?

[@ajgentileofficial]

Another great video. Watching in the studio with my team. Every time Kev says ‘essentially’ we have to do a shot.

[@KevinRossRN]

Ha! I've realized that I do say that word often. I'll join you in a shot 😉

[@MrNpkellogg]

I didn't think you'd answer ANY of my questions, but I listened to you anyway, and voila, you answered them, 1,2,3, just like that. I looked at the less expensive Scarlett 2i2, but right after I did that, you reminded me that the Zoom H6 is a mobile device, where as the Scarlet is not. 1,2,3. How about that.

[@KevinRossRN]

That's awesome! Yes, I do recommend the Scarlett to some people depending on their needs. It's a great piece of tech, however to your point it does need a computer whereas the Zoom does not. Glad you found this helpful. Best of luck with your final buying decision. 🎙️🎧

[@TimothyDahl]

I may have already commented but this has again been a very helpful resource. I did have an issue with the 2nd host mic not being audible for the guest but I see that the workaround might fix that? I'll have to try it next time. Thanks Kevin!

[@KevinRossRN]

I appreciate you taking the time to let me know... And feel free to keep me posted on the workaround.

[@smartmandarinkatrinalee]

I'm using Blue Yeti for my podcast, but it seems like I can't use it with the recorder....What if I only have the mic you recommended but without the recorder? does it affect the quality of sound much? Thank you for sharing this video! This is extremely helpful. :)

[@KevinRossRN]

The sound will still be good with the mic I recommended... If you're plugging it directly into the computer vs. a recorder. What's your long term plan? If you have the Blue Yeti already, are you just looking for a solution to record a remote host/guest?

[@MMABeijing]

good video, your experience shines through. I enjoyed your explanation of how a skype guest/student would get captured by the mic i would use to interact with, I did not know about that function. Also thank you for the detailed description under the video: I was taking notes trying to remember everything but you made everything very clear with text and I appreciate your caring professionalism. Thank you sir

[@KevinRossRN]

My pleasure to help. Wishing you the best on your endeavor.

[@elenadelgadoEHS1]

Hi, I am starting my podcast today, and this video is Super great. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge, likes your explanation better than other videos I have seen.

[@KevinRossRN]

That's super cool, thanks! Best of luck with your podcast endeavor. 👍

[@holylambmedia]

Always, always look at Guitar Center's website under their used equipment section which usually is a quick customer return or a floor model

[@matthewpeluso1982]

Once again I’m back at this video. It has been so helpful! I am finding some trouble though with the remote guest. I keep hearing myself ever so slightly after I speak and I’m not able to get rid of it. Turning down the audio in the mic doesn’t help. I’m not quite sure what to do at this point.

[@KevinRossRN]

Did you check out the pinned comment about the workaround?

[@matthewpeluso1982]

@@KevinRossRN perfect! 👌👌 Thank you Kevin! Keep up the great work!

[@KevinRossRN]

You bet. Hope it helps.

[@DrummerNationNow]

Very clear explanation. Worth noting is that both Skype parties should use headphones to keep from hearing each other's voices in what should be separate audio tracks. You can also use a better vocal mic for the in-studio host, routed to the recorder, and use any cheap usb mic to send the host audio to the guest as it will not be recorded. Route the guest's audio return, either from the computer, audio interface, or usb mic to the other channel on the recorder.

[@KevinRossRN]

Thanks! And yes, very important to have headphones (earbuds at a minimum) so that there's no looping back of audio coming out of computer speakers. That's always a headache for the post production process, not to mention just makes for a much harder conversation.

[@MrNpkellogg]

so i subscribed awwreddy. you make good videos, you're not in a hurry, there's no nonsense, no wasted time, just fact; so i appreciated it. the only thing i lack is money.

[@KevinRossRN]

Really appreciate that. Hope it helps with your buying decision. And hey, always work within your budget. It may take some time to save up, but you'll get there. 🎧🎙️

[@drglencoleman]

this is really well explained. well done, Kevin. well done.

[@KevinRossRN]

Why thank you for letting me know... Are you just starting out, or looking to upgrade your current situation?

[@drglencoleman]

@@KevinRossRN great to hear from you and happy everything--holidays, new year, new eve, new morning--the whole shmeer. :). I'm trying to figure out how to record conversation on iPhone onto H6. Not so easy. I have SE with 1/8' cable. thinking this. 1/8' cable to H6. perhaps monitor out back to the to iPhone.

[@drglencoleman]

ask in telephone call via iphone

[@KevinRossRN]

@@drglencoleman You can do this. I've done it before. The 1/8 in into the headphone jack of the phone and the 1/4 in into track 2 of the Zoom. The microphone would just be plugged into the Zoom via the included XLR cable with the ATR mic. The Zoom is an interface where when you talk into the mic it'll handle that audio and feed it back to the caller. You'll both be able to hear each other and have separate tracks in post production. You'll still want to monitor the audio with a set of headphones, which is still handled through the headphone out on the Zoom. Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas to you as well.

[@grandacres427]

i know I am behind, however, this was a Wonderful ExPLAINER vid for old folks, like myself (ty ty ty thank you)!!!

[@KevinRossRN]

That's great to hear that it was helpful! I appreciate you letting me know. Feel free to keep me posted on your progress.

[@jonathanho9901]

I think you can use h6 as a audio interface and you mic plug in h6 the voice can send to computer with usb, for record computer audio use a 3.5 to 3.5 from computer to h6 stereo capsule, for output use the line out to headphone out. In this case you can use whatever mic you want.

[@KevinRossRN]

Correct in that you can use the H6 as an audio interface when connected to a computer via USB, however you then lose the ability to record via the handheld, and then rely on the software (DAW) to record the tracks.

[@jonathanho9901]

Kevin Ross I think you can record to h6 in audio interface

[@sarahmcharas]

Thanks I had been looking for something like these instructions

[@KevinRossRN]

Awesome. Glad to help.

[@gromatron28]

Just found your channel. Very clear and easy to understand. Thank you!

[@KevinRossRN]

Glad you found this helpful. Do you currently have a podcast, or looking to start?

[@gromatron28]

@@KevinRossRN yes sir we are starting one within the next 2 weeks hopefully. Myself in america and my friend that's in England. Fingers crossed it works out well.

[@KevinRossRN]

That's so awesome. Really hope the launch goes well. Feel free to keep me posted!

[@gromatron28]

@@KevinRossRN that's awesome support thank you!

[@TheBecomingMen]

My set up is a Zoom H5 with xlr mics. I love how portable it is

[@KevinRossRN]

No doubt. And great sound quality too. Do you do podcasts (mostly) on the go?

[@TheBecomingMen]

@@KevinRossRN I just began recording my podcasts and is mostly on the go and in various locations do the fact that I don't even need to have a computer with me is awesome. Just mics and this little recorder. Check out my most recent video where I used it for the first time.

[@KevinRossRN]

That's so awesome my man. It's THE answer to podcasting with amazing audio on the go (in my opinion). Listening now. You sound great BTW 😉👊

[@TheBecomingMen]

@@KevinRossRN Thanks man! i appreciate you tuning in

[@izg2]

Excellent breakdown. I feel very lucky that you covered my actual gear set up and confirmed my research. I would be interested in your DAW solutions a little more.

[@KevinRossRN]

Awesome! Glad it helped. I'm on MacOS, so I tend to use Logic ProX, however I will be pushing into the Pro Tools arena as I'm working on some other audio interface (hardware) reviews...However this setup is still my main setup. Love the Zoom H6.

[@happifuller526]

This was awesome. I just went ahead and got that exact same set up minus the pop filter. It's no longer available. Thanks for what you do.

[@KevinRossRN]

That's great! Do you currently have a podcast or are you working on getting one started?

[@happifuller526]

@@KevinRossRN working on getting one started. I have recorded my trailer, got it hosted on Libsyn, and submitted to iTunes. It is in review with iTunes, but available on Spotify.

[@KevinRossRN]

@@happifuller526 You are on your way! That's great. I always get so excited to hear about people starting up. I remember my own excitement.

[@happifuller526]

@@KevinRossRN when I turn the volume down on the mic, it turns down the sound on my computer and I can't hear the guest. Using Windows, any suggestions?

[@KevinRossRN]

@@happifuller526 you mean when you turn the volume down on the headphone jack of the ATR?

[@JamesRoseFit]

Great news; I bought a Zoom H6! Now using your handy list to figure out what else I need for remote guests. One question I had- How does the 3.5mm to DUAL 1/4" cable work with your set up. Do we just plug one end into channel 2 and leave the other un-used? And which end is it? haha!

[@KevinRossRN]

Oh man. So stoked for you. You're going to love this. Yeah, so the 3.5mm portion can either go from your headphone out on the ATR (like I have it in the video), or you can have it going out of the headphone jack of your computer...Just make sure you select that output in your audio settings in Skype. Either 1/4" will work. It's a mono cable, so yeah, there's just one extra jack hanging around in this scenario.

[@KevinRossRN]

Keep me posted on that progress. Already subscribed to your podcast, so I'll get some updates there ;)

[@jennysteward1675]

Just found your channel! I appreciate the simple explanations!

[@KevinRossRN]

My pleasure and happy to help as many as I can. Much appreciate you too 😉 Best of luck with your setup.

[@StoriesPhilippines]

thanks for the tips, we wanted to improve our podcast the best way possible. p.s. Your channel deserves more subs. :) How underrated.

[@KevinRossRN]

Super stoked to be able to help out. Much appreciated on the comment 🎧🎙️

[@LionelJohnston]

Good video. Most of my podcasts are done with guests in different locations. I just use a Rode USB mic and headphones and Zencastr. Same for the guest. It works sweet. I get two tracks of MP3 and .WAV files and it even does post production for me. Then I pull it in to editing.

[@KevinRossRN]

Thanks! We used Zencastr when it was in beta...and actually out of beta. It worked, but then we ended up outgrowing it, or rather needing to spend more to get more features based on our needs at the time. I have actually thought about bouncing back over there to at least do a review and comparison. You may have sparked an interest 😉 What's your show about?

[@davidhamilton4172]

Thanks for the review. I think Skype and remote calling for podcasting is becoming virtually a given for beginners. We do it often too.

[@KevinRossRN]

And the Skype platform has evolved quite a bit since I started using it many years ago. Do you have a current show?

[@davidhamilton4172]

Skype is definitely getting better which is great! We currently don't have a show on KZbin but we're getting one started up. We went down the route of building an audience with Facebook live first and now we're beginning the transition into KZbin and podcasting.

[@KevinRossRN]

@@davidhamilton4172 That's smart actually. Awesome to have a built-in audience to help with your launch.

[@NelsonStryker]

Your setup is awesome man! Super crispy video!

[@KevinRossRN]

Why thank you! 👊

[@garethmassey5032]

Love this video as I’ve been having some recording problems recently. So upon watching this I tried to buy a ATR2100 but seems hard to get here in the UK. Not sure if a new one is being released. Followed the steps in the video with the Samson q2 and failed. I’ve since noticed the comments on this problem. I’m hoping that it fixes it but I’ve missed my recording window. If I played music on the computer (instead of Skype call). Would this be the same? Just trying to experiment so it’s ready. I’m guessing the other comments work for the Samson.

[@KevinRossRN]

Did you check the pinned comment (from me) for the workaround on the Samson? Basically, running the audio cable out of the headphone out of the computer? And yes, music will work as a test.

[@PoetWithPace]

This was brilliant in all ways but one....what if i have a basic Mic with only an XLR out?

[@KevinRossRN]

You can actually connect the Zoom H6 to your computer via USB and then it becomes an audio interface. However, you'd then have all of the functions and recording go through the computer. So, you'd select H6 as your audio source on your computer and in your DAW (editor/recorder on the computer) you would split the tracks out there. Track 1 in your DAW would be you, and track 2 would be your guest. You'd have to split these out on your computer's audio input/output screen, as well as whatever app you're using to speak to your guest, but the Zoom will handle your input via XLR and send that to your computer... If that makes sense.

[@PoetWithPace]

@@KevinRossRN thank you Kevin for the speedy response, much appreciated. I have the H4n Pro, so i'm guessing i can connect that to computer via USB same way as H6 and use via Skype.

[@KevinRossRN]

You shouldn't have any reason to upgrade from H4n. It should perform as an audio interface. Not sure if you're on MacOS or Windows, but with Skype, you might need a free piece of software to help split that Skype signal out. Here, check out this Video from Ray Ortega...it may help: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKevpoJrirZ_psU

[@sandeepsatelly558]

Kevin such a great video and ton of good info, can you explain a bit more on recording locally on 2 different locations? That last part was a bit tricky.

[@KevinRossRN]

Awesome. Appreciate that, and happy to help. As far as your question, are you referring to when I talked about having someone not in your vicinity record their tracks locally, and then you record on your end and then bring it all together? Just wanted to clarify.

[@Melodeeb]

Thank you! I’ve been podcasting for awhile but this information is so helpful!

[@KevinRossRN]

So glad it helped. What's your podcast about?

[@Melodeeb]

@@KevinRossRN Hi Kevin, thanks for asking! My podcast is about helping young families navigate parenting. I give advise through the lens of an experienced teacher and parent educator. You can listen anywhere podcasts are by searching Famly Nuggets. Thats famly, spelled with no "i" because you can not do family alone.

[@KevinRossRN]

@@Melodeeb you and Christi have some great energy together. One thing that I make sure of is that when I'm talking to my kids I step away from my computer screen to speak with them (if I'm working out of my home office) , and/or I always put my phone away and don't answer the beeps/buzzing until we're done with our conversations. Trying to model that behavior 😉 That Darn Technology

[@Melodeeb]

Thank you so much for your feedback after listening to our podcast! We love our energy but it’s nice to know that new listeners, who who don’t know us personally, feel the same. Also thank you for sharing your tip for being mindful with your own children. Stepping away from your computer or putting your phone down when you are engaging with your children is an awesome way of showing them that they are more important than the technology that you were engaged with. I’ll be looking for more of your videos! 🙌🏾

[@KevinRossRN]

@@Melodeeb You bet... And, I'll have more videos about podcasting on the channel. I tend to flex between various types of creative businesses... But do have a few more audio related ones in the pipeline. Keep creating 👍

[@mwsbs]

Hi Kevin and as everyone else here said, thanks for such a detailed video which is of immense help. Three questions: 1) I lost you at turning the volume down. I guess what I’m not understanding is, if the volume is all the way down, how do you get the cohost sound into channel 2. Or is the volume control only controlling the mics own volume and not the sound that’s coming back through the usb? 2) why only Tip Sleeve on that channel instead of TRS? (And would a mini TRS to XLR cable work as well?) 3) since the person/co-host on skype is hearing themselves back through the usb wouldn’t that create the echo effect thus requiring a mix-minus setup?

[@KevinRossRN]

Thanks for compliment. I do try. So, the 1st and 2nd question may have some relationship here, so let me try to answer them separately, but the same. From what I've gathered in my experience with this setup, specifically the ATR, is that the signal coming through that headphone jack will still come through. Turning the volume down doesn't cut the signal as much as it's really just cutting the volume all the way down...and then really allowing the Zoom to take that signal and managing the levels via the volume dial on whatever track you're in. I know it seems like turning the volume all the way down on the mic would completely cut it, but in this case it doesn't, and as I found if that volume isn't down, it somehow feeds the other individuals voice back into the mic, and then somehow having it bleed back into my own track. From my experience with the TS (tip sleeve) vs. TRS is also somewhat of a similar phenomenon in the way the mic handles this signal. So I am aware of unbalanced (TS) vs. Balanced signals (TRS), which it seems that having a balanced signal is what you want in this scenario, AND actually what you're getting through the XLR connection from the ATR into the Zoom. However, when I've plugged in a TRS 3.5mm to TRS 1/4 into a channel, I've had the other person's voice come right back into my channel. It's as if the polarity flip that's supposed to happen, doesn't. Example not with an ATR, just straight up balanced info: It sounds like you might know some tech here, so hopefully this isn't too techy and also I hope I don't sound like an idiot either ;) So the signal in a balanced (TRS or XLR) cable should be so that it is picking up two signals, flipping one of the signals out of polarity as it's being carried down the cable, and then flipping them back into phase when it reaches the mixer/handheld/recording hardware. This should even be the case if let's say you're near some interference (radio tower or similar) and one of those signals gets interfered with, it should still be able to flip the polarity back into phase and eliminating that interference. Well in the case of the ATR, somehow it seems that the other person's voice coming in through the USB, out of the headphone jack, into the Zoom is getting fed right back into the mic. It's as if the TRS/Balanced cable is unable to split, reverse polarity, and have it flip back into phase, but somehow the 3.5mm TRS to 1/4" TS cable is able to handle this flow. Unbalanced signals are more prone to "noise" and interference, which is one of the reasons why I suggest running the Zoom on battery power only when in a Skype format because this will actually cause some interference (a buzz) in the tracks. And as far as question 3, this is also somewhat related to the above. By using the TRS to TRS it's as if it almost creates a TRRS situation, which if you know about this it's essentially two audio signals split along with another signal as a mic...So, this is where someone may also hear themselves back into their speakers/headphones because somehow that signal is not only coming back into your own track on the Zoom, but also back to them as if they're literally sitting next to you and speaking into the same mic. Is your head spinning yet? I think mine is a little ;) I hope this makes sense and isn't too far out there, but the best way I can explain it without doing another video on that topic....maybe I should! I've definitely experimented with various setups, and this just seems to be the most stable. I've personally recorded several hundred shows and interviews this exact way.

[@mwsbs]

Wowza! I did not expect such a detailed and long reply. You certainly got my head spinning lol and I had to reread it again this morning. But hey at least you put a lot of thought and effort to reply so that speaks a lot about you as a person caring for others. I wasn’t worried about the balanced element or the lack thereof as it isn’t balanced regardless since the microphone headphone out isn’t balanced. It was more a curiosity and was wondering if this has anything to do with passing just one signal (the callers) instead of two. I hear you about the noise issue which is pretty much why you’re using the TS instead of TRS and is also the reason why you’re turning the volume down as well as recommending batteries. I’ll have to dig deeper why it’s happening but oh well it is what it is. Now all of this didn’t quite answer how you separate your voice from the co host. So another youtuber said that Skype and other voip platforms, do not send back your own voice, so if true, that explains it all. That KZbinr has a similar set up, but he did the following: Mic XLR to Channel 1 USB to computer Computer headphone out to channel 2 Headphone monitoring through the zoom recorder. So very similar to yours and the same end results. It just seemed a bit less complicated and based on the samples he provided (including calls) seemed very clear. Either way, thanks again for everything. At some point I’ll play around with the gear and different setups to see if there is a benefit to one over the other or if one is simpler and less involving. Keep up the good work!

[@KevinRossRN]

Yeah, I've also used that setup before where I used the headphone out jack on the computer. It usually works... and obviously as long as that's the audio out preference in your computer's settings and Skype 😉 But yes, the USB cable going into the computer allows your cohost to hear you, and to feed their signal back to you, then the "magic" of the mic, which really isn't magic I suppose is just sending it through the headphone jack and into the Zoom. And, the VOIP platform is also handling that information as well. All I know is that it works. Previously I was using 8 and 12 channel mixers with patch cords running all over the place to get a mix/minus, and once I got the Zoom, I've never used another mixing board since. Anyway, best of luck with your experimentation. 👊

[@mwsbs]

Kevin Ross this is truly a wonderful and much simpler and less expensive setup for a mix minus. Your video and info was enlightening

[@olimpiafernandez9685]

Kevin, this is a great video. I will have to watch it over and over to fully understand and that is only because I am a new podcaster and trying to learn I all! :). Most of my guests will probably be in different locations. Do they need an actual mic on their end or they just talk right into Skype. Can you be a little bit more specific on that part?

[@KevinRossRN]

I recommend at a minimum, a set of earbuds with a built-in mic on their end for the Skype or Zoom, call, which many people should have something like this from their smartphones...

[@johnmckenna2293]

Hi Kevin, well done very simple & easy to understand, not always a case with others, keep up good work John Mckenna

[@KevinRossRN]

I really appreciate that... Thanks! Do you currently have a podcast or are you still working on starting a new one?

[@LanzaMartineta]

This is so helpful to me..I am a musician, but tired of computers...but also use logic. I like the idea of this being the majority of recording.

[@KevinRossRN]

Yeah it's great to not have to rely on a computer all the time. I still use the handheld recorder for all of my KZbin videos. It's my favorite piece of tech.

[@LanzaMartineta]

Hey would like to ask u some questions , can u tell me , can I live monitor vocals when singing with this recorder ? Also, does it have a reverb or echoe that I could use? If not could I plug amp in and record into it? It would be favourable for it to have reverb though ?

[@KevinRossRN]

Yes, you can live monitor either through the headphone out, or you could use the line out option for all tracks if needed. You could plug in an amp via the 1/4 in, but as far as reverb that isn’t built in. Overdubbing is an option.

[@LanzaMartineta]

@@KevinRossRN may I drop you a mail, I would really appreciate that. You are a great source of information. I have a few videos up of my music and would welcome some answers to additional questions. Also, as part of an exchange I was a photographer for many years, should you need any advice on photoshop or other stuff, let me know.

[@MaddMyke]

Kevin - great, detailed description on various ways to catch the audio - thank you! Question regarding the virtual instructions: I'm assuming you could do the same thing without the Zoom box, but you wouldn't have the audio split into two channels, and thus less control over the volume/gain for each channel, correct? So something like this: - USB mic plugged in to host's PC, which the host speaks into - Co-host speaks into their own mic (ex: Skype or Google Voice) - 3.5mm audio cord from monitoring port on host's mic to the "mic in" port on their PC - Host ensures recording software is set to the mic for both input and output - Host and co-host listen to each other on headphones to avoid loop-back noise Would this record everything (both host, co-host, and any PC sounds on the host's machine) just fine (minus the channel controls that the Zoom would provide)?

[@KevinRossRN]

Thanks so much! As far as your question... Simple answer. If you're going software only as a way to record, I would use something like Zencastr. See if that might fit your needs. You would both have your mics plugged into your computers just as you stated, but then just plug your headphones into the jack in the mic.... Zencastr sets it up so that you can get two tracks... If I didn't have a hardware setup like the Zoom, I'd use that. The biggest reason I use and recommend the Zoom is due to having more control over levels, and the hardware recording option. I have had podcasts I've recorded (software) that crashed and we lost everything. Not necessarily common, but it can happen. Are you currently podcasting now? What's your show about (or what are you thinking about?...if you haven't started yet)

[@MaddMyke]

@@KevinRossRN Hey - I am just in the planning mode with a colleague where we'll be doing a news-style podcast. We've been testing recordings and I've been struggling to figure out how to record myself, him, and any PC sounds I play (like snippets I want to share from new stories online, KZbin, etc.). So far, what's been working is: - Calling him on Google Voice with a headset-and-mic setup - Recording in Audacity, selecting my headset as both the input (with loop-back option) and output - Setting my headset to "listen to this device" via Windows audio settings It's alright, but: - He can't hear any clips I play on my PC - I'd rather not have to hear myself speak (the audio is also delayed, which is annoying) - I'd rather be able to use my studio quality mic which is higher quality (but it has no loop-back option in Audacity). So far, your description in this video seems like it would work for us. I have a nice compression mic, but it's picking up some background noises I'd rather not record (so the dynamic mic makes more sense). We also really need an option where he's able to hear any clips I play on my PC as part of the show, so he can react to them with me, etc.

[@KevinRossRN]

This sounds great...And yes, the Zoom would actually help you with this process. What you would actually do is plug the Zoom into your computer and it would then become an audio interface. You'd plug into channel 1 per usual, but wouldn't run a line from the ATR to channel 2 (like in this video)...this is because the Zoom is an interface and isn't in recording locally (simply put). You should be able to run your clips into channel 2 so that your co-host can hear them (because it's an interface). Now, there's a tweak you're likely going to need to make. I'm on a Mac, so mine is a little different. But I use a plugin called sound flower which is a way I can split out my channels through software. I then use an app called LadioCast that then allows me to create a virtual mixer where I can isolate each channel and tweak each one of them (volume, etc) as I need to. I then however need to record on software (like Audacity as an example), but the caveat here is that it still records into one track, but I'm working on a setup to try and split these out...it's still in process and I'm working on that video. This is really a "summary," but I just wanted to let you know that the recorder does offer a lot of capability that can help you scale your podcast. Anyway, more to come on this topic.

[@MaddMyke]

@@KevinRossRN Thanks again, Kevin! I think we're going to give Zencastr a try and see how it goes, then move to a hardware solution like the Zoom if we need to (or for more options). I personally like the hardware idea myself, for the reasons you mentioned. Do you know if the Zoom can be plugged in to A/C power (rather than relying on batteries), and if it can record to internal software (rather than a memory card)?

[@KevinRossRN]

@@MaddMyke yes, you can plug it in...the one reason why I recommend battery power for this setup is due to a buzzing sound that can occur. A wall plug would be better in that situation. However, if you plug it directly into the computer via USB, then you can record via software that way. Zencastr is a good place to start though. I think you'll like it. Graduate from there when you are ready. 👍

[@saf1999]

Great video. Thank you for all the tips and info 👏🏾

[@KevinRossRN]

Happy to help... You looking to start a podcast soon?

[@allenpaulhowayeckii1800]

So, if our co-host is virtual, and I want to get them on the recording with a phone call or Skype/google hangout, is there a way they can have a mic like this one on their end so that the audio coming through the phone call is clear? Does that make sense? Put simply: is there a benefit to having the co-host use an external mic instead of the built in computer mic (Skype) or their phone’s mic? I’m guessing if we used google hangouts and they had a mic, they could set their audio input to be their mic? If so, what would I do on my end to capture their phone call? Do it like you said? (My mic-Xlr to zoom “channel 1” and then 1/8 inch to 1/4 inch to zoom “channel 2”? Lastly, if I had a local co-host and a phone call interview, how would I make sure the phone call person can hear us both? And would I just run a head phone splitter from the zoom to give me and my local co-host a monitor mix?

[@erijavec]

By the 11th minute, I subb’d. Great examples and explanations. Audio 💯

[@KevinRossRN]

Really glad you found this helpful... Looking to start a podcast or do you already have one?

[@erijavec]

Hi @@KevinRossRN, Thanks for the follow up. I'm educating myself in order to begin a new one. 15 years in real estate and a successful Brokerage have lead to a desire to help others navigate the same. I bet you know the feeling ; )

[@KevinRossRN]

@@erijavec Totally! And I think this is an awesome idea. Feel free to keep me posted on getting a show launched. You've got a hot topic there. 🔥🎙️🎧

[@FaisalFaisal-xg3ld]

Thank you for keeping things simple and straightforward

[@KevinRossRN]

I do try my best... Appreciate you taking the time to jump down here and let me know.

[@skoue4165]

The drop off is the pickup pattern. So cardioid, and not Dynamic VS condenser. A cardioid condenser would also drop off as you get out of it's pattern. Dynamic in general takes a bit more energy to work so distance tends to drop the level faster with dynamic, so it your example you are doing both (getting out of the pattern AND adding distance. Your bigger point is valid though, dynamic is the way to go for a radio broadcast type of set up.

[@KevinRossRN]

Yep! And not to mention the rejection you can get from the room noise.

[@calculus8219]

Thanks for the sound advice sir.

[@KevinRossRN]

Thank you!

[@garyrhymer6244]

Great Podcast Kevin, this is exactly the information I have been searching for. I have a question, my podcast will have alot of interviews with guests remotely. Based on what you showed in regards to the Zoom H6, can I do the same exact things with the Zoom H5?

[@KevinRossRN]

Simple answer, with the same remote setup, yes. My previous co-hosts and other podcasting colleagues that interview remotely have the H5 and it works well. Let me know if you need anything else. 🎧🎙️

[@garyrhymer6244]

Kevin Ross thanks for the great reply. I ordered the mic kit today from your link below, hopefully I did it correctly from your affiliate link. I was holding out on the recorder before I got a response from you. Thanks for your quick response to help me on the way..l

[@KevinRossRN]

@@garyrhymer6244 Much appreciated. Really. Happy to be of help to you. It's why I'm here. Looking forward to hearing how it all goes for you... Feel free to keep me posted. 🎧🎙️🚀

[@garyrhymer6244]

@@KevinRossRN Hi Kevin, I have an additional question so I purchased the H5, but now I'm thinking down the road. For my podcasts most of my guests will be remote so I did the setup you gave with Skype and that worked perfectly in my test. What if I will be having a co-host locally with myself + 1 Skype, can I do that with the H5 or would the H6 with 4 XLR work better?

[@KevinRossRN]

@@garyrhymer6244 Glad your test worked...My question to you is are you running on MacOS or Windows? That'll help me answer more specifically.

[@kevinniese9621]

Kevin, I have thoroughly enjoyed your video! Outstanding quality & very informative. I was curious if the PreSonus Studio 24c Interface would be able to achieve the same goal of recording in two locations? Look forward to hearing from you!

[@KevinRossRN]

I was going to do an updated video with the Motu: amzn.to/2Xmwzxs just because it has that built-in loopback option, but these interfaces (most of them) have the capability of getting you a similar result. In fact, the Handheld in this video can be plugged directly into the computer and be used an interface...But, I have had a few folks report back with success of using an audio interface for this very thing. These audio interfaces and handheld recorders just do that heavy lifting that is harder (in my opinion) to manage multiple tracks on a computer...Anyway, the short answer is yes. You're just setting up these tracks on your computer to record during your podcast rather than recording on a handheld, then taking that file and bringing it into your computer's DAW for editing. I would still invest in the dynamic microphones linked in the description because that also gives you more options to be able to use XLR exclusively, or to use both XLR and USB connectivity at the same type.

[@kevinniese9621]

@@KevinRossRN , I would love to see the video on the Motu! Again, super helpful. Thank you for the prompt reply!

[@KevinRossRN]

You bet. I'm pretty active with the community here on KZbin, so I try my best to get back to everyone.

[@DaveMyLendr]

Sound is on point!!

[@KevinRossRN]

Thanks! Do you have a podcast, or interested in starting one?

[@DaveMyLendr]

Kevin Ross yes I’m in the mortgage industry and want to start a podcast.

[@KevinRossRN]

@@DaveMyLendr that's a hot topic for sure. And a podcast format would be a great place to start.

[@DaveMyLendr]

Kevin Ross looking forward to more of your vids! Already subscribed! Thanks for sharing your knowledge

[@KevinRossRN]

@@DaveMyLendr Well I definitely appreciate that. It's my pleasure... I have a mix of creative content for both film and audio, but I'll be putting on more info on podcasting for sure. Wishing you the best. Feel free to keep me looped in on your progress. 👊🎙️🎧

[@arlenaf.3503]

I have the H4n Pro. My favorite piece of equipment. I love my Zoom.

[@KevinRossRN]

I'm a filmmaker primarily and my Zoom is literally one of my favorite pieces in my kit...Do you currently have a podcast?

[@arlenaf.3503]

@@KevinRossRN yes i do. Its a very small Christian and Devotional podcast.

[@KevinRossRN]

@@arlenaf.3503 That's great. Podcasting is definitely fun and rewarding.

[@arlenaf.3503]

@@KevinRossRN yes indeed it is. I started out trying to learn filmmaking for documentary. Still learning.

[@KevinRossRN]

Ah!!! Documentary...Love that! And we are still learning. It's the journey, right?

[@bigkevj]

This is a great video, exactly what i was looking for. But I do have one question. In this tutorial, and with this set up, you would be recording onto the SD card in the handheld recorder. How do I edit in Audacity? Would I have to take the SD card out of the recorder and insert it into a device that could copy it to my computer and then edit from there? Or is there a way to connect the handheld recorder directly to a computer via usb and copy it over (show up as a drive when I plug in the USB cable and physically move the file)?

[@KevinRossRN]

Happy to help. Yes to both. You can either remove the card and put it into the card reader (if you have one), or you can connect the Zoom via the USB cable right into the computer. On the Zoom you'd go to Menu > Scroll wheel up to the USB/Connection Icon > Push in on the scroll wheel and then it pops over into "SD Card Reader" in the sub menu > Your files will show up as if it's an external drive on the computer. Do you currently have a show or looking to start up?

[@bigkevj]

@@KevinRossRN Looking to start one.

[@KevinRossRN]

@@bigkevj awesome! Best of luck with getting started. Podcasting is so much fun.

[@bestbeats484]

Great video. I subscribed

[@jayrose9463]

Is that Samson a good alternative or a distant second? This micyou are using is a good sound for sure Thanks

[@KevinRossRN]

I think there close to identical. I have another Samson mic that I really love.

[@Dyerstchiropracticclinic]

This is an amazing explanation! Thank you @kevinross. Saved months of time and headaches. One question. How about 3 people in different locations? Can you do this with one Zoom? Or should 3rd guest record his own track separately as you mentioned? Many thanks. Rob

[@KevinRossRN]

I've had shows with multiple hosts/guests, for years. So, if I was the "main" host, with the Zoom, and the other hosts/guests didn't record their tracks locally, I'd just have my track separate on #1 and theirs would be together on track #2. Not ideal, but it worked. However, the primary workflow was that my hosts would record their tracks locally whether on a zoom or just in the computer's software. Track 2 on my end was just there as a back up. In post I'd pull my track into the editing software along with track 2. The remote hosts would share their locally recorded tracks with me, I'd pull those into the editor and sync up the tracks, then I'd mute or delete track 2 since their locally recorded track would obviously sound better than audio coming in over Skype.

[@Dyerstchiropracticclinic]

@@KevinRossRN Perfect. But obviously in post "track 2" if just recored from the zoom has poor audio from one of the 2 guests it can make it pretty tricky with editing etc! Thanks for the reply!

[@KevinRossRN]

@@Dyerstchiropracticclinic yes, it can definitely make it tricky if track 2 is poor quality, and the only track you have of your host/guest. If the host or guest uses a headset with a built-in microphone at a minimum, it can really increase the quality rather than using a built-in mic on the computer.

[@BourbonPursuit]

We use the same ATR2100 Mics with XLR into the Zoom H6. Are you doing anything in post to get this clean of sound shown in your video? We are getting a slight hiss when I turn up the volume. The zoomh6 gain is around 6 to 6.5.

[@KevinRossRN]

Are you also on a Skype call or just two XLR with you both being in the same room. Also, where's the Zoom sitting in proximity to anything else such as a computer... And do you have phantom power turned off in the Zoom?

[@BourbonPursuit]

@@KevinRossRN No Skype. This is having 2-4 ATR2100 mics plugged into the H6. No Phantom power. The H6 is typically about 8" away from me as I typically have to adjust gain when someone belts out a huge laugh. I have noticed I need to have my phone in airplane mode because anything close to it is sensitive. Everything is at default on the H6. I don't know if I need to adjust Lo Cut or Comp/Limiter settings on the H6. Thanks for being so awesome at responding as well.

[@KevinRossRN]

Comp/limiter set to Comp2(vocal) for each track you're using. Also, you can try a low cut filter at 80Hz, which shouldn't impact the vocals. Airplane mode on the phone is good...cellphones are hit or miss (depending on the one you have) when it comes to interference. I was in communication with a gentleman that was having issues with some type of interference in his neighborhood. He found that there was a bit of hissing/buzzing when he recorded at home, but then took the same setup to another home quite a distance away, and no interference. Cell tower, radio tower?...Not sure. In my particular situation I have multiple cameras running, multiple computers, a server, and cellphone with no interference. Lucky? Maybe? But, I do want to try and help you with a solution as this equipment should provide you with the output you need. Play around with that Low Cut and the Comp/Limiter and see what happens there. Keep me posted.

[@JhaePfenning]

Thanks Kevin. Well explained and easy to listen to.

[@KevinRossRN]

Awesome. Glad it helped. Do you currently have a podcast?

[@JhaePfenning]

@@KevinRossRN Yes, we have done 8 episodes but the audio is always a little cringe-worthy. The listener feedback however has been great given the content and style, but I am a semi perfectionist within reason and with a potential guest list of 20 down the road, its time to upgrade to some decent, even if beginner grade, hardware. We have been recording through the Anchor app and on our iPhones from across the country and that method has proven to have some issues as well. After watching a few videos online, and knowing that I want to do some in-person interviews as well as through Skype (or something of that nature), I need to learn which hardware is best for our level and how to use it. Having varied audio hasnt been too bad knowing that the content feedback is good. Shakey audio with entertaining content is always better than great audio and boring content. But now its time to have good with good.

[@JhaePfenning]

@@KevinRossRN I spend 4 nights a week living out of a hotel which adds another fun layer to the equation. But I want to have a set up at home, AND something I can take on the road, even if I leave the bulky stuff in my work desk over the weekend and bring it to whichever hotel I am staying at on a Monday after work.

[@KevinRossRN]

@@JhaePfenning This is one of the reasons why I love the handheld... Travel. I take this thing everywhere, whether I'm using it for video work (interviews), or podcasts with multiple people around a table, it's still one of my favorite pieces of tech.

[@KevinRossRN]

@@JhaePfenning Yeah, anchor is nice because it's free, but recording through it (although convenient) has its audio limitations. It'll be interesting to see what you think once you're able to record on decent equipment, edit it and manage the individual levels, and then upload... It'll give your listeners (and future listeners) much more value. You can always jump back in here to keep me posted on how things are going. 🎙️🎧

[@builtbykidstv]

This is very helpful Kevin. But I have two questions. 1. We have two hosts on one end with the recorder, and one will be virtual on Skype. The person on Skype is only hearing the one host that is plugged into the computer as the other host is plugged straight into the H6 so it's not being routed into the Skype call. We have gotten around this by sharing the one mic, but there has to be a better way. 2. I'm getting feedback/humming noise from the line into the H6 from the computer. Anyway to clean this up? THANKS!!!

[@KevinRossRN]

Are you on MacOS or Windows? And, have you tried Zoom as an alternative... What line do you have going in from the Zoom, like coming out of the headphone jack of the computer or are you plugged in via USB into the computer, and if plugged in via USB are you trying to power through the computer or running on batteries?

[@builtbykidstv]

@@KevinRossRN - We switched to Zoom software for our interview and it worked much better. We turned down the volume on the line coming in from the headphone jack to our H6 and that removed most of the feedback. Now we are trying to figure out how to get both mics on the H6 to record on separate tracks as Zoom only recognizes the remote guest and the H6 line. It can't separate the two local hosts.

[@builtbykidstv]

@@KevinRossRN We are also on Mac OS and thanks for your help!!!

[@willieleehendersonlll]

I've started podcasting already, all from my phone but I'm ready to step it up and buy equipment to make my podcast better quality. Thanks for your help bro

[@KevinRossRN]

Starting on your phone is definitely a great place to start. I've got a video in the works on just getting started this way. But yes, when you're ready to elevate, take that leap. Glad this helped. Best of luck in your future growth. 👊

[@willieleehendersonlll]

@@KevinRossRN thank you

[@RevMonkey]

Kevin, is there a recording device that one can plug 3 microphones into? SO there is one recording file?

[@KevinRossRN]

You mean a piece of hardware that will just put all of the recording into 1 track, or 3 microphones split out into 3 separate tracks?

[@RevMonkey]

@@KevinRossRN Ya, 3 into 1. I did some research and as a mobile solution the Zoom H6 seems to cover it well. I will just need to get some lav mics and adapter thanks.

[@KevinRossRN]

@@RevMonkey you can get lav mics with XLR inputs, or the other option would be a 1/4 inch adapter that'll also plug into the Zoom. It's a great piece of kit that you can do so many things with.

[@supremevisionz]

Hey, great video first and foremost. Quick question though, How do i input multiple headphones to the zoom h6?

[@KevinRossRN]

A headphone splitter. I have one that use (personally) linked in the description. I still use it today.

[@StartToFinishPodcastingTV]

I have an ATR2100 as well but I find it to be way too sensitive. Just like yours , it needs 2 pop filter types of protection because the plosives are outrages. You definitely need two different protections of pop filtering.

[@ripoffandduplicatepodcast]

Hey everyone! What would I do if I wanted to record multiple angles on different tracks from an Iphone. Would I just need 4 Iphones? How would I get the audio to sync together with the video? TIA

[@SeanValy]

What would u do if you want everyone in the podcast to have headphones on? Is there like an adapter you would plug into the recorder?

[@KevinRossRN]

Yes. For everyone in the room you would plug a splitter into the headphone out on the Zoom. This is the one I use: amzn.to/2tTwLV4 And, if you need some 3.5mm male to female adapters so that everyone can spread out a bit, I also use this on the daily: amzn.to/2NS5qvr Nothing fancy, they just work. 👍

[@SeanValy]

Kevin Ross awesome man. Thanks so much 👍🏼👍🏼

[@stilloutside8887]

Hi kevin, my friend and i are planning on starting a podcast this quarantine. We are both remote but in two different locations. He will be using a xlr mic and i will most likely be using the ATR shown in the video in a USB format, because i’m not trying to spend a lot of money. I have a few questions regarding how to record both audios at the same time as well as if there is any issue with using a USB mic when the other is using a XLR.

[@KevinRossRN]

No other issues whether it’s USB or XLR on either end. XLR is definitely a cleaner sound, but for most it’s not even noticeable. Are you recording via a Zoom call or Skype, or something else?

[@stilloutside8887]

Kevin RossWe haven decided yet. Any suggestions? We want clean recorded audio on both ends, but we really don’t wanna buy any subscription plans

[@KevinRossRN]

Well you can always record locally on your own computer, and then one of you sends the file to the other to edit the tracks together. Zoom out Skype should work. Skype is definitely free, and Zoom has a free version.

[@stilloutside8887]

Kevin Ross Thanks Kevin! What are your thoughts on cleanfeed.net for live audio over the internet?

[@KevinRossRN]

I was going to do a video on this very setup. I recommend using it 😉

[@WisLockman]

I use the Zoom H4n Pro. It has the same pre amps as the H5 and H6. I have the Rode HT USB Mic or my ikmultimedia iRig HD 2. I then upload my SD Card from my Zoom to my Audacity Program in my computer.

[@KevinRossRN]

Well it definitely sounds like you've got the setup right there my friend. Always like hearing about other people's workflow. Really appreciate you taking the time to share it.

[@skylarjadefabien8204]

This video was great. Thank you so much!!!

[@KevinRossRN]

My pleasure. Happy to help... And thanks for saying so... Best of luck with your setup.

[@JonOsborne21]

Hey Kevin, still having trouble figuring out my problem. Was hoping you'd have some more advice.

[@KevinRossRN]

Still using the Scarlett? What's up?

[@JonOsborne21]

@@KevinRossRN Yes I’m using the TS to TRS cable from my ATR2100 to my Scarlett 2i2. XLR to channel 1, TRS to channel 2. In Adobe Audition I set the input to the Scarlett 2i2 channel 1(XLR) on track 1, and channel 2 (TRS) on track 2. I set the output to be my 2i2. I’ve also tried plugging the 1/4 jack into my PC directly. All of this is on windows using Skype. If I don’t turn the volume dial on the ATR all the way down I can hear myself and with the latency it drives me nuts, channel 2 I believe also records the “echo” of myself. However, if I turn the dial all the way down, I can’t heard the audio from Skype. Not sure what to do. I thought it would essentially be the same as using the handheld but I guess not. Don’t have the money to buy the handheld at the moment.

[@KevinRossRN]

@@JonOsborne21 just to double double check... The TS part of the cable is going into the Scarlett? Just making sure that for whatever reason it isn't swapped... Like the TS portion (3.5mm) isn't coming from the mic. I've seen my share of cable combinations that sometimes don't make sense... And certainly not your fault. Just making sure it's a mono setup. What happens when you turn the monitor down, or switch direct monitor off?

[@JonOsborne21]

@@KevinRossRN I have tried the setup with the TS coming out of the mic and my headphones going into the 2i2, I've tried it with the TS going into a 1/4 adapter to go into the 2i2 headphone jack. I've tried with and without direct monitoring on. I run into 2 different problems, with the TS in the mic I can hear my own voice, and it then its echoed onto the 2nd track so I cant isolate the guest vocals. Or I dont hear my voice, but I cant hear any output from my computer, and my voice is still recorded onto the 2nd track. I'm just completely lost with this, cant seem to figure it out.

[@KevinRossRN]

@@JonOsborne21 (just went back up and noticed you tried this... So, second question then, below this one) Another question... Have you run the 3.5mm out of the headphone jack of the computer and into channel 1 of the Scarlett? And even another question... Windows machine or MacOS?

[@JCSJOSE]

Kevin, thanks so much for your teaching style, after watching multiple videos, yours is by far the most helpful I've come across as a beginner podcaster. One question I have is if this set up will work outside a studio. For instance, I plan on interviewing people on a "quiet" room with me, but not necessarily a studio. Would the ATR2100 still be a good option? Thanks again!

[@KevinRossRN]

This setup is perfect for that scenario. I use the exact same equipment (without Skype) for other podcasts. I did upload a video that discussed some simple steps in eliminating background noise, and using an example of me and my co-host in the same space. Feel free to check it out here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/boPToYmkqN5rrpI

[@JayDizziee]

Awesome video! Will a similar approach work with a MOTU M4?

[@KevinRossRN]

So I do have the MOTU and there is functionality built into that device. You’d just need a way to record it on your end, which you should be able to via software. You could also use something like Clean Feed.

[@AndrewHellmich]

Great video! Appreciate you taking the time to explain this so well!

[@KevinRossRN]

My pleasure entirely. Glad to help. Are you just starting out with a new show or looking to expand on your current setup?

[@AndrewHellmich]

Kevin - I’ve been podcasting for 6 or 7 years and looking at some different options to go mobile. Also keen to see what’s new, what’s changed - seeing I’ve been set in my ways for a while. I did move to a Focusrite audio interface instead of a mixer which has been nice - more so for the extra space and simplicity than anything else. :)

[@KevinRossRN]

@@AndrewHellmich the focusrite is definitely a nice interface, and capable of this same workaround. I've been meaning to do another video featuring the Scarlett as another option. That's awesome that you've been at it for this long. Always good to keep educating yourself.

[@msdidemtutoring9623]

Great video. Can I do that with an xlr mic, specifically Shure M58? Thank you

[@msdidemtutoring9623]

I was planning to use Zencastr or Squadcast as software. I guess I won't be needing them with a field recorder? Or am I mistaken?🤔

[@KevinRossRN]

So Zencastr would help you get that clean audio on your guest’s side of things. You could also use something like clean feed, which is something I’m working on right now and putting a video together. So with the Shure, you’d like plug in via XLR, and then to have your guest/remote host coming in on track two, you’d run that 1/8” to 1/4” cable out from the headphone out jack of the computer and into track two of the Zoom. The video I’m working on right now involves an audio interface...similar to the handheld, but I still use that handheld all the time.

[@msdidemtutoring9623]

@@KevinRossRN thank you for the explanation. Will follow the steps and look into clean feed.

[@KevinRossRN]

Happy to help. You can try clean feed for free. And if it’s just you and a guest on the other end, then you’d probably be just fine with the free version. Feel free to keep me posted.

[@msdidemtutoring9623]

@@KevinRossRN thanks so much🙂

[@caseyonlocation8257]

Hi Kevin. After watching KZbin reviews on the $599 Rodecaster Pro (spelling typo corrected) with the firmware update, it looks so super slick as an all-in-one solution for podcasting. The ability to easily record phone calls is so cool. Plus you don't even need to connect this to any computer cuz it can act as a standalone device, that's huuuge! Plus with the optional USB cable for powering the device with a rechargeable battery bank so don't need wall AC power makes it super portable and versatile. Why would anyone need to get an audio interface that still requires a computer connection plus software? Only major drawback for my particular home setup is the physical size of the unit cuz my desk space is small. But dang, screw the Motu and Scarlett interfaces haha!

[@KevinRossRN]

Oh man! Yes the Podcaster is pretty slick, and if I'm not mistaken, I believe they are going to be releasing an updated version of it. But I agree, I like being able to record and not deal with a computer/software of I don't need to.

[@caseyonlocation8257]

@@KevinRossRN When you say updated version, do you mean software update or a major redesign of the entire unit? There is already a firmware update to allow multi track recording cuz the original 1.0 firmware didn't allow it. I'm really impressed with the device!

[@KevinRossRN]

There's a rumor of an update (hardware), but just a rumor that I'm aware of. It is very capable. I typically don't recommend it because it is outside of most people's budgets, especially when just starting out. But honestly it's also one of those pieces of equipment that of you do make the investment, it's likely something you won't need to replace because it is so capable.

[@caseyonlocation8257]

@@KevinRossRN Okay then, I can wait for a new version! Plus if a new version comes out the old version should drop in price!

[@KevinRossRN]

That's right! Like I said.. Just a rumor. I'll continue digging into it to see how legit it is.

[@SecDr]

@Kevin Ross, in your video you show a 1/4 to 1/8 and it looked like a single connector, but the link shows two 1/8" stereo connector. Am I missing something?

[@KevinRossRN]

It should be 1 TRS 1/8" to (two) 1/4 inch TS cables, however you just need the one 1/4 inch input into the Zoom. I did add another cable option under that link for a single 1/8 to 1/4 TS (mono) cable. Right here: amzn.to/2y3RF97 It just needs to be TS on the 1/4 inch side.

[@karolbrehany2294]

Hey Kevin, Thanks for the awesome video the equipment your showing seems more legit than the videos I have watched which are totally about going with the cheapest stuff to start. I plan on having at least 1 person on my podcast every episode. My questions are these. I am pretty much going with the kit you showed in this video but should I invest in 2 sets of the headphone you listed for me and my guests? Also, I don't have a computer just an Acer Chrome book, what type of laptop do you recommend on a budget?

[@KevinRossRN]

I appreciate that. So as far as your question, here's what I would say, and always stress. Your budget is important and I would prioritize this way: The mic, the handheld recorder, and the headphones...in that order. Now, I always always recommend wearing headphones or earbuds for co-hosts and guests. This way you're not allowing that signal out into your computer speakers and looping back into the mic. Just about any earbud option will suffice, but the headphones I recommended are definitely good for monitoring your audio (better than earbuds) during the recording part, but the biggest reason why I use actual headphones is during post production. The sound out of the Zoom will be good, but there's always room for improvement and the headphones can help you isolate these "issues" more easily. Post production takes time to learn, but is a worthwhile skill to have. Podcasting is a great medium in which to share information, but what I can tell you is that the audio quality IS paramount. Hands down. I've received feedback like this for many years from podcast listeners. They expect good quality audio. Of course there are shows that people will listen to regardless, but starting off with good audio will never hurt ;) As far as the computer, as long as the chromebook can handle a Skype call (it totally should without issue), then you should be fine. You're plugging that mic into the chromebook and essentially setting that up as your input and output for that computer. The mic, the cable from the mic to the Zoom (for track 2), and the Zoom itself are doing the heavy lifting for you. But again, budget is important, so that's why I prioritized the above. You can start with a good mic and use some software like Zencastr to record your call, but it's software. I've had these crash on me. Not often, but it can happen. As a professional filmmaker and podcaster though, I will say that I still use the very same equipment and have scaled it to use in commercial projects and I have no future plans to change that. It has worked for me time and time again. Also, this setup is great if you ever feel like you'll record with people while out and about. Pretty darn portable, and very capable.

[@nackbaxster1369]

I am trying to record myself and a cohost along with guests via Skype. I have a Yamaha MG10XU mixer. I’m recording into adobe audition via usb through the mixer. I have two mics plugged into XLR channels 1 and 2. They are both coming out as a single input into the computer making it impossible for me to separate them. Also any sound from the Skype call gets laid down on top of the already jumbled track. I really want a track for each of them that is separate. Should I return the mixer ? Or is this not a mixer problem? Please help!!!

[@bjoernschumacher5852]

the ATR2100 isnt avaible in europe - alternative microphone recommandations?

[@KevinRossRN]

If you go with this one amzn.to/2QOpxxP Check the pinned comment in this video... Just a minor workaround.

[@maynardsantos3056]

exactly what I needed to see!! youre the best man!!! thanks a lot!!!

[@KevinRossRN]

Awesome! Really hope this helps. 🎧🎙️

[@TrekOnTheAir]

I set up something similar for my business partner, but we went with the Tascam DR-40, and for microphones we're using Samson Q2Us (basically the same thing). Nice to see the skype setup... I may need to order some adapters... Although we keep eying the Rodecaster haha

[@KevinRossRN]

Awesome. I've actually been meaning to take a look at the Samson Q2U as a comparison since they're basically the same as the ATR2100. The Rodecaster seems pretty cool. However, you may be able to get a very similar workflow out the Zoom R16: amzn.to/2T273aU for a little cheaper, but I haven't tested it out personally. What's the show about?

[@PamJonesProduction]

You are awesome! Thank you for making it so clear.

[@KevinRossRN]

Thanks so much! Really appreciate that. Feel free to keep me updated on your progress of choosing gear and/or your podcasting endeavor.

[@dustinjenson9266]

Kevin, thanks so much for your advice with this video. I think it will be helpful with my Skype interviews. A couple questions: 1) You mentioned using a TS (single “band”) 1/4” adapter into the handheld, but do you know of a TRS (dual band) adapter will work? 2) If you turn the headphone level all the way down at the mic, wouldn’t that cut all audio being “heard” by the handheld recorder? Thanks,

[@KevinRossRN]

Happy to help. 1) Typically (in my previous experience) the TRS cable was feeding back the signal to the Skype user. The TS was providing that "mix/minus" effect... Along with how the ATR processes that signal of course. 2) That question makes sense, and I know it doesn't seem possible. I've had my ATRs for several years and this was my solution at the time... I have had some folks on here tell me that their (new) ATRs would still feed back the signal, which would bleed into the hosts track... Now whether that was the mic 🤷‍♂️ In this case you could also feed that 3.5mm to 1/4in out from the headphone jack of the computer and into channel 2 of the Zoom... Bypassing the headphone jack of the mic altogether. Hope this helps.

[@dustinjenson9266]

@@KevinRossRN Thanks for your quick reply!

[@randyparmer2760]

Kevin, thank you for the insights. Appreciate the detailed explanations on utilizing the equipment.I am intrigued by the handheld recorders. Currently, I use my phone or computer to publish videos. But, would like to expand and include podcast. Would I be able to do both at the same time? Say using my phone to record the video and it's audio then having the handheld recorder also recording audio. Hopefully, accomplishing two things at once? Is it possible? Worth the time? Suggestions?

[@KevinRossRN]

You definitely could. Essentially what I would recommend, especially since audio quality is paramount in my opinion, is that if you want to record video on your iPhone to publish later, then I would use a handheld recorder and use that audio for both your podcast and to also sync up in your video. So, in your video post production you'd remove the audio from the phone and then pull the audio in from your handheld to sync it up with, and then of course you'd have that nice clean audio you could drag into your audio post production, which would then be uploaded to your podcasting host. You could however achieve this just from your phone if budget is a concern. You'd want to be able to connect an external mic to your phone, but then you'd record your video like you normally do, edit it, and upload. You could then go back into your editor to extract the audio and render it into an mp3 for your podcast. As far as worth it? These are some questions that you may have your own answer.... Do you have a decent amount of engagement with video? Also, would members of your community move over from your video content to your audio only content? Video podcasts (netcasts are what they used to be called) are starting to grow, however many of these individuals have already built a presence on a platform like KZbin first, and then added a podcasting component. I always recommend folks start with audio first, however unless they're already capable of video and understand the workflow (demands) that it requires. One thing I would suggest...something I'll do a video on, is that you could use the video portion to just give your audience a "sample" of your upcoming podcast. Film the whole thing if you want, but only edit/release a portion of it and ask folks to pop over to the podcast for more...Just a thought.

[@randyparmer2760]

@@KevinRossRN thank you for the quick response! Using the handheld audio for both makes sense. Investing in one is something I plan to do because of the versatility you mentioned. My engagement is decent for where I am in the process. I only began filming and posting videos last May using Facebook live. Some of my target group favor podcast over video. That is my main reason for hoping to do both. You are correct about the demands of video! I never, ever realized all of the work involved and that is just with the very limited amount of experience I have. Thank you again for sharing your wisdom. Great suggestion on using a sample. Will be looking for your video on that. Randy

[@KevinRossRN]

Awesome! And I'm glad this information helped. Best of luck with your new and (hopefully) growing endeavor.

[@jordanwalburger4493]

Kevin, how does the H6 work with interviews over the phone? I have heard you can plug in a mic to the xlr input, use an adapter to plug an iphone in through the lightning port to the X/Y Line In and then the microphone into the H6. We do phone interviews more than skype and want to make sure the H6 is the right fit before buying. Thanks!

[@KevinRossRN]

It works great. Yes, mic into channel 1... iPhone with the lightening adapter to 3.5mm input jack. The cable that I have linked in the description ☝️... Plug that 3.5mm end into the lightening adapter. Take the 1/4 end of that cable and plug into any other channel (2, 3, 4). Plug your headphones into the headphone jack of the Zoom... And Boom!

[@jordanwalburger4493]

​@@KevinRossRN will you take a listen to this? My co-host is in a studio and I am remote. I called over Google Voice and I had my microphone through the H6, i think I may have forgotten to change the properties on the audio in and out and that is why my voice sounds off. soundcloud.com/hornfm/fight-night-239 Thanks for your help!

[@dr.brucepierce]

Your amazon link for the 3.5mm to 1/4 inch plug shows a dual 1/4inch but on your video there is only 1 1/4 inch plug. Which is correct?