Best TELE zoom? Sony FE 70-200mm f2.8 GM II REVIEW

[@cameralabs]

My Sony FE 70-200mm f2.8 GM II review - a stunning performer! Sony FE 70-200mm f2.8 GM II at B&H: bhpho.to/3iYqbqj // WEX UK: tidd.ly/2X8LqxL Buy Gordon a coffee: www.paypal.me/cameralabs Gordon's In Camera book: amzn.to/2n61PfI / Amazon uk: amzn.to/2mBqRVZ Cameralabs merchandise: redbubble.com/people/cameralabs/shop Gordon’s retro gear channel: kzbin.info Equipment used for producing my videos Sony A6400: amzn.to/3hul53c Sony e 24mm f1.8: amzn.to/2TqWNzk Rode NT USB mic: amzn.to/3AdHcUp Rode Wireless Go II mic: amzn.to/3xkCvGo Rode Lavalier Go mic: amzn.to/3ygzzKY Godox UL150 light: amzn.to/2VpVbXE Godox QR-P70 softbox: amzn.to/3yQfGdF MacBook Pro 13in (16GB / 512GB): amzn.to/3hrwMYD 00:00 - intro 01:19 - design and controls 03:37 - range and TCs 04:03 - focusing for photos 04:45 - photo quality - landscape 06:56 - photo quality - portraits 07:52 - photo quality - macro and bokeh blobs 08:31 - maximum reproduction macro 09:04 - focusing for video 09:29 - face tracking for video 09:54 - focus breathing 10:39 - verdict and sample images Music: www.davidcuttermusic.com / @dcuttermusic As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases

[@oasean]

Thank you, Sony, for keeping the internal zoom!

[@networm64]

Kudos to Sony indeed! This lens seems too good to be true! When I heard about it's weight loss to mark 1 I said it never gonna be internal zoom. Even though I kindda like the compactable design like Tamron and Canon but in terms of video and gimbal balance internal zoom means a lot! Also the risk of sucking dust will be almost eliminated. Bravo Gordon for another excellent review!

[@jaegerschtulmann]

Finally I watched almost all video reviews of this lens in youtube and unsurprisingly I have to say that yours was the most comprehensive. (Always watch your reviews first) Thank you Gordon!

[@cameralabs]

Thankyou! I wish more people would find mine - I get about a fifth of the views of others!

[@rein9590]

Zooming in to 200mm does decrease the depth of field, but walking backwards to keep the subject the same size increases it again by exactly as much. Saying it another way: Distance to subject and focal length cancel each other out when it comes to depth of field, given a certain size of the subject in the picture. Or: depth of field is determined by magnification and aperture. The blurrier background you're relating to around 7:00 is not caused by magnification, but by background compression. Zooming in and walking backwards increases the size of the background relative to the subject, and the bokeh with it.

[@maxhammick948]

Where did he say that the long end reduced the DoF? His actual words at 7:34 : "The longer focal length has *reduced the field of view* for a less distracting background"

[@rein9590]

@@maxhammick948 oh right, in that case he said it correctly

[@PeterHawking]

Thank you for your great, inspirational videos!

[@cameralabs]

Thankyou, very much appreciated!

[@j16m02]

I generally watch reviews of this class of lens only because I enjoy your reviews. Really, as a strictly amateur, it's out of my price range and skill level, but dang!! This one is tempting even if I don't need it.

[@oscarshen6855]

Finally Sony starts to update their "big three", their original holy-trinity really starts to show their age and aren't really competitive compare to thrid party conterparts.

[@cameralabs]

It's a worthy update - presumably the 24-70 will follow?

[@oscarshen6855]

@@cameralabs The rumour suggests that the 70-200 GM ii and 24-70 GM ii will launch alongside A7 iv. However we didn't expect the 70-200 to break cover early. Maybe they don't want to dispearce the attention too much.

[@scb2scb2]

@@cameralabs Makes sense and/or some of the lenses that don't yet have the new rings/controls and will see a jump on the A1 and A9m2/m3 for autofocus by adding the new 4 motor dual drive system for moving the glass around and that list is a little longer...

[@TW-iu9zy]

@@cameralabs … ... you should know that very well, Gordon. 😏 BTW: Great review!

[@trippalhealicks]

Just received mine earlier today. The lightness of this lens cannot be overstated. It's surprising!

[@cameralabs]

It makes a big difference

[@djencode]

This is an immediate buy for me. I have the 12-24 and 24-70 gm so this nicely fills the gap.

[@cameralabs]

You won't be disappointed!

[@oc2phish07]

I don't have a Sony (Fuji fanboy here) and probably won't ever buy one, but I still thoroughly enjoy your videos. Great stuff Gordon.

[@cameralabs]

Thanks, glad you like them!

[@DarenYoong]

Great review, Gordon! Planning to order one in Singapore

[@petersamwell5919]

Your review finally convinced me that this lens was worth the extra cost over the F4 version. I've now just received it and can't wait to try it out. Thank you for such great reviews Gordon.

[@cameralabs]

You're welcome, hope you enjoy it!

[@longrider9551]

This is what competition gets us, without the big 3 fighting we go back to incremental upgrades and even higher prices, choose your weapon and lets argue about who's photos are better ✌ and PS great to have someone of integrity like Gordon putting the work in🙏

[@LuisPerez-fy6up]

Nikon fan boys are rough and vicious Lol.

[@longrider9551]

@@LuisPerez-fy6up lol we all can get caught up in that crap hopefully we can also move past it, I would rather my photos are better than my camera 😎

[@cameralabs]

thanks, these tests take ages!

[@jean-michelargentin5465]

Man I sooooooo happy to see doing this review…. You give me the right info that I trust.. Thanks buddy..

[@cameralabs]

You're welcome!

[@scb2scb2]

I know this will only be true for shooters who use video, af and other more 'modern' features. But you have to wonder on 'keep the glass change the body' in the last few years. It seems to me that new concepts and i am guessing computer modeling of lens designs makes massive jumps like this possible. You could almost argue that the new motor system, added features, less weight and better results of the MK1 vs MK2 versions within a 4-5 year gap are as big as the difference between the 4-5 years between the A9 and the A1.....

[@cameralabs]

Absolutely, and don't forget new materials for making the elements and new moulding techniques, allowing elements and optical designs that were only theoretically possible a few years ago.

[@EugeneMaynard]

Even though I am not a Sony user, I am truly impressed with this lens update. If this lens was RF instead I would definitely buy it to go with my preordered R3, but alas, I shall stick with primes in this range for the time being!🙏🏾

[@ZOB4]

Looks incredible! Picking mine up Saturday.

[@RizaMarhaban]

Fantastic and amazing review. Mostly speechless to see the quality. Thanks for the review. I'm buying the lens.

[@cameralabs]

Glad to help!

[@db6572]

Thank you for always examining focus breathing in your tests.

[@cameralabs]

You're welcome!

[@Gold-Horse]

Awesome 👌 best review of this amazing lens 💯

[@cameralabs]

Thanks!

[@mralexlex]

Excellent review Gordon. Great lens, still like v1 lens hood more.. Anyway, keep up the good work!

[@seraphin01]

good for sony users, to me the 70-200mm is my bread and butter, I have it slapped on 90% of the time on my 1dx I can't wait to move to RF see how the new RF lenses fare but I picked canon a decade ago to have that 70-200 and it's fantastic, glad sony users get to experience the same bliss I'm curious though, some manufacturer do not communicate on focal shrinking of their lenses, canon doesn't have that problem, but tamron is pretty awful, not giving us the full 200mm.. thanks for the great video as usual

[@cameralabs]

Sadly both Canon RF 70-200's suffer from quite noticeable shrinking due to breathing as they zoom in. If you're focused on closeish subjects, the 200 becomes more like 140mm. See my reviews of them...

[@seraphin01]

@@cameralabs oh great thanks I'll check the video out for sure, though I'll probably simply buy it anyway since Canon won't release an update to their brand new rf 70-200 within the next 5 years I assume

[@cameralabs]

@@seraphin01 agreed, I think it's going to be current for a while yet. Don't get me wrong too, I think it's a superb lens BUT its big issue is breathing.

[@notgazo7009]

I'm curious to see a tear down of this lens from LensRental. Sony has managed to make a lighter lens than Canon despite using an outer-shell in metal (Canon is plastic). I'm wondering how they managed that since both lenses uses 17 elements. Is an extended barrel heavier ?

[@scb2scb2]

Not just in the compare bu lens rentals is one of the few many of us trust to show us how much progress sony has made internally and in this case how...

[@fragu123]

Calling high tech industrial composite to be ‚plastic‘ is kinda funny really…. And metal is metal😆

[@notgazo7009]

@@fragu123 Some kind of magnesium alloy I suppose. But I would rather take the plastic shell if it turns out that the inside are stronger. If I recall correctly previous 70-200 design from Sony had some weakness in their mechanical design. So I really hope Sony didn't compromise the build quality at the core to be the lightest 70-200 on the market and to showcase an outer shell in magnesium.

[@notgazo7009]

@kulmmii I know that this is why I said that I was curious to see a tear down of this lens from Lens rentals. If this wasnt a new lens, I wouldn't care to see a tear down of it.

[@ziginox]

@@fragu123 For what it's worth, there's a lot of difference between the bendy, thermally unstable ABS you see on cheap lenses and the very stiff, very impact-resistant polycarbonate that manufacturers are using for the outside barrels these days. It's the same family of plastic that safety glasses are made from, after all!

[@Synchrodipity]

As a recent convert to Sony, I don't yet have the 70-200 in my kit -- I guess this means it's time to sell a kidney. BTW Your reviews always fill me with trust, so thank you!

[@cameralabs]

You're very welcome! You won't be disappointed!

[@hamburgerquieddje3898]

I neither have the mark 1 nor this version; which one would you recommend for a hobby? Great review ✌️

[@cameralabs]

If you can afford the Mark II and value its lighter weight, go for it, otherwise the mark 1 is still amazing too.

[@hamburgerquieddje3898]

@@cameralabs thanks a lot mate, cheers!

[@ilove0530]

8:38 The mark 50 is softer than mark 150 at the symmetry position. Why?

[@cameralabs]

I may not have been exactly square to the subject - tricky at very close range.

[@joe2snj]

Another great review Gordon

[@cameralabs]

Thanks!

[@frankfeng2701]

This might be the best overall 70-200 f/2.8 lens of all time.

[@cameralabs]

It's the best one that I've tested overall.

[@OkwyUgonweze]

@@cameralabs you need to test the nikon version.

[@cameralabs]

@@OkwyUgonweze my colleague already has: www.cameralabs.com/nikon-z-70-200mm-f2-8-vr-s-review/

[@OkwyUgonweze]

@@njrtech slower af should be attributed to the body not the lens

[@POVwithRC]

​@@OkwyUgonwezenonsense

[@maxsr3236]

Would be interesting to see how this lens with a 2x teleconverter compares to the 100-400mm GM.

[@cameralabs]

Yes I'd be interested in seeing that too - Gerald Undone has done a test that might help.

[@coolbananaboy5075]

WOW< that lens looks fantastic ... and you reviews are the best in the world!

[@cameralabs]

Thankyou!

[@br2v]

Great design since it also is the lightest version of all 70-200 f2.8

[@kikipratama1]

I wonder which one lighter if the collar is removed.

[@philliphickox4023]

That lens would have been very handy today, I used 18-105 to shot a rodeo and got some great action shots, could have done with a little more focal length. Sadly though this was a ticketed event and I wasn't able to obtain a press/media pass, so that I could submit to stock libraries. Still the shots are now in my arsenal.

[@highwayman1224]

Just got mine today and so far I'm loving it!

[@AjaySingh-228]

Wow amazing lens sir..beautiful clips and photos too

[@tuckerjeffrey]

Great video Gordon. I really enjoyed it. Would be interested in how it compares with some of the prime lenses. Isn’t the 85mm getting some age on it? A 85mm f1.2 would be amazing but until I’ll keep using my Sigma 85mm DG-DN .

[@BrianIrwin]

@gordon I have a very specific and stupid question. Do you know if the feet are interchangeable between the mk1 and mk2? So a person could keep the same third party arca foot and move it to the new lens?

[@cameralabs]

Now that is a good question and the answer is I don't know - but I will ask for you.

[@scb2scb2]

@@cameralabs What i understand yes, keep in mind you can't mix them between ranges. But i think i heard the mk2 has the same foot base as the mk1 so you can use replacement foots (guessing that the core of your question, pity none of the reviewers tested that, maybe sony would not allow them to test it this first look).

[@hwirtwirt4500]

Great review Gordon, quite comprehensive.

[@cameralabs]

Thanks, that's what I aim for!

[@Reviews4fun1]

I’m more deciding between the upcoming Sigma 70-200 2.8 that will likely be released soon, or the Tamron 70-180 but appreciate the review to see the alternative

[@DirkDien]

You compared to the EF III and said RF during the magnification test, else great review like always Gordon. Thanks a lot! Looks like an almost perfect lens!

[@cameralabs]

That was a clip from my Canon review, so that's why it had the EF in there too. All those rulers were photographed at the respective closest distances.

[@DirkDien]

@@cameralabs Thanks for clarification! 👌

[@TITAOSTEIN]

Amazing Lens and great review Gordon! Sony is sovereign! Great sensors, AF, Cameras and lenses! But… I’ll continue a Nikon, Panasonic and Olympus shooter! I have so many lenses ( mft and Z) and equipment in those systems that is difficult to think in any change right now. They are still working great for me! Anyway… Sony remains in my radar!

[@ÄdelVandelVanstyre]

OK, I was confused ! Then there IS a cooperation between IBIS AND OSS ! Thanks !

[@Sara.Rose.]

Really good review!

[@cameralabs]

Thanks!

[@schoeferfilm]

This could be a cool tele lense for my fx6 🎥 for filming 🤔

[@dan_w3st]

Gordon, did you notice something loose in the lens? I have a copy of the mark 2 that has internal movement when handled, makes me wonder if it's defective.

[@cameralabs]

The IS element will move a bit on any lens with optical stabilisation, but it might be something else. Are you able to try one in a store? It's been a while since I had it in my hands.

[@dan_w3st]

@@cameralabs Thanks for the reply. I preordered it online. First thing I noticed about the lens was the weight, much less than the mark 1, then I noticed the movement inside the lens. I have other OSS lenses, none of them feel 'loose' like this.

[@cameralabs]

@@dan_w3st I wish I still had one here I could try for you. If you can't get to a store to try one, I'd suggest asking other owners in some forums, maybe dpreview

[@billschannel1116]

It has a mode switch for taking pictures of erratic/unstable subjects, like Kardashians and the like.

[@ChristFaithTabernacleLondon]

Fantastic. Thanks for your ingenious sagacity.

[@cameralabs]

That's the first time someone's used Sagacity to describe me, thanks!

[@TourDeMadone]

Let me ask you one question. One review pointed out that this lens is vulnerable to backlighting. Did you get that impression?

[@cameralabs]

No

[@TourDeMadone]

@@cameralabs Thank you, Mr.Gordon Lang. どうもありがとう(*^_^*)

[@the180degreerule3]

Expecting a 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II with OSS since all the sony lenses are 100 to 300$ off now...I smell an out of nowhere release bro!

[@belezasdanatureza1539]

Olá boa tarde , esse link para compra da lente vc sabe dizer se enviam para o Brasil? Obrigado

[@cameralabs]

I believe B&H will shop to anywhere BUT you may haver to pay import tax.

[@belezasdanatureza1539]

@@cameralabs vou dá uma pesquisada a respeito, Obrigado por responder ! Forte abraço

[@belezasdanatureza1539]

Vc ganhou mais um inscrito!!

[@benharveyphotography]

Weight saving on these kind of lenses is always appreciated!

[@maxwellwellmax878]

That nice Minolta family resemblance.

[@cameralabs]

Yes, it's easy to forget that's how it all started!

[@AliMohammed-or8it]

what is name of camera that used in this video ??

[@DerPhiL]

Nice review :)! But no tests with the TCs? :S

[@cameralabs]

Nope I couldn't get hold of them, sorry.

[@IustinPop]

No comparison at all with Nikon's Z version? The Canon is mentioned over and over, but I would have expected at least mentions of the Z lens.

[@cameralabs]

Nikon doesn't send me lenses to test so I can't comment on them. But if you're interested in them, a colleague of mine makes reviews of them for my website: www.cameralabs.com/nikon-lenses/

[@IustinPop]

@@cameralabs Aah, I see. Sorry, given that the Nikons are reviewed on cameralabs, exactly that's why I was confused - did not realise exactly who contributes and how to cameralabs. Thanks for responding!

[@cameralabs]

@@IustinPop no problem, cameralabs is 95% me, but since I don't get the Nikon gear, I have someone else review it who owns the Nikon system - but he only does written reviews.

[@markrigg6623]

Are Nikon still in business?.....

[@IustinPop]

@@markrigg6623 Wow, the first ever troll reply I get. Here comes the block function…

[@ÄdelVandelVanstyre]

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN WTH THIS MEANS: If you are using a lens with the Optical SteadyShot™ (OSS) feature, then the In Body Image Stabilization (IBIS) or SteadyShot selection of the camera will be unavailable My Sony FE 4.5-5.6/70-300 G OSS lens has a switch on the barrel marked "Optical Steady Shot: On/Off" My A7R4A has an option of turning IBIS (in body image stabilization) on and off. Question: When IBIS (in body image stabilization) is turned on, should the Optical Steady Shot switch on the lens barrel be turned on or off? Note: I have seen statements to the effect that IBIS and lens stabilization should not be used together. Does this apply to the A7R4A ? They work together. Here is the explanation from Sony. ”If you are using a lens with the Optical SteadyShot™ (OSS) feature, then the In Body Image Stabilization (IBIS) or SteadyShot selection of the camera will be unavailable. When both the camera and lens have the feature, the lens stabilization overrides the menu system of the camera and the systems work in conjunction with each other to provide a 5-axis stabilization system. If you connect a lens that does not have the SteadyShot feature or turn off the feature on a lens that does, then the feature selection is available within the camera menu and the camera.”

[@cameralabs]

Their explanation is confusing! If you have a lens with OSS, then the switch on the lens takes priority and the camera menu becomes unavailable. When enabled, you will have optical AND body IBIS working together. When disabled, BOTH optical and IBIS will be turned off. You can't have one and not the other. It is both or neither.

[@RobJorg]

price increase is a bit much so i will wait until after the holidays. 24-70 should be up next for replacement.

[@ziginox]

I can't help but think Sony is intentionally trolling Canon at this point.

[@AgnostosGnostos]

Historically since the film era the holy trinity of full frame zoom lenses are rarely updated so fast, every five years. Canon and Nikon full frame lenses for mirrorless cameras are five to seven years younger than most Sony full frame mirrorless equivalent ones and that permits them to have a better recent optical technology. So Sony must hurry and update at least its holy trinity of zoom lenses of f/2.8 and f/4 the next two years in order to be competitive with Canon and Nikon mirrorless lenses. Sony is the leader in mirrorless technology but Canon is far more powerful with lenses and Sony feels that. At the end of the day the glass is the king and the main factor for the choice of a camera mount.

[@scb2scb2]

Please don't take this the wrong way sony has more then enough lenses in the e-mount eco-system now to compete. The bigger and real problem is that their lens designs are now limiting their own camera bodies. the A1 and A9M2 and i am sure A9M3 just demand faster AF, better video features and control rings/buttons. Sony has to unify their range they can't have their GM ranges be limited by the core lenses that will be used on the A1 for example.

[@paulmiranda3950]

⏰Si es de Sony, no entiendo por qué está escrito Cannon ????

[@sammyh9542]

Not only vignetting disappears at f4 but people as well 😁

[@br2v]

should be compared to the Nikkor Z / Panasonic

[@cameralabs]

Not reviewed them, sorry, but they're irrelevant to Sony owners. I only mentioned the Canon out of interest as it's optically excellent but physically different.

[@mondotv4216]

Is it parfocal?

[@cameralabs]

Not sure, sorry

[@kenjiyamamoto423]

Gerald undone and you both posted at the same time for this lense,. But I choosed to watch yours,. Because Gerald undone sometimes being biased when it comes to Sony camera and lenses,.

[@salsabilahmedshrestho960]

all of the reviewers schedule posts at the same time

[@longrider9551]

Gerald shows all his results, you may be the one with a bias

[@slows728]

I can't agree more.

[@xWood4000]

Gerald does like Sony, but I've not seen any bias

[@longrider9551]

@@xWood4000 In my view he is a very technical guy, something Sony excels at. Most of the things people don't like Sony for have more to do with the form factor and usability, even though I use Sony I can understand those opinions

[@LuisPerez-fy6up]

The RF version looks super cool reminds me of Star Wars.

[@KenCheng]

I wish Sony would start incorporating ARCA Swiss tripod foot 🙄

[@cameralabs]

I wish all manufacturers just did it as standard

[@Juventinos]

lemmy guess, you haven't tested the nikon 70-200.

[@cameralabs]

lemmy guess, you haven't seen www.cameralabs.com/nikon-z-70-200mm-f2-8-vr-s-review/

[@CEEPMDEE]

much too soon for a mark II. The price is far too high as well.. at least in my opinion.

[@cameralabs]

It's not too soon when the improvements are available and measurable. Plus it's only 100-200 more than the last version and the same as the Canon RF, so the price is competitive.

[@CEEPMDEE]

@@cameralabs Wow.. 5 & 1/2 years passed already? Work really makes life go by fast. Good thing I did not buy the first 70-200mm f2.8 GM. B.T.W. Love your channel.

[@NSAwatchesME]

😍

[@dmiller9786]

Not a good landscape lens. Too big, heavy, and expensive for the reach. Inferior and shorter than the 100-400 when adding a 1.4 or 2 TC. Great lens to shoot people.

[@cameralabs]

depends what range you need. I got some great landscape shots with it.

[@melonfox6807]

Bro this is the go to for landscape idk you must be shooting in properly

[@colintraveller]

For anyone that does Photography for a hobby ..How would you justify spending that amount .. if you are not making any income from it !!!! Such as myself !! It's a very valid question .. "You buy within your means ,You never buy to put yourself into debt" Ever looked at doing a Video of ..Using 2 Lenses at 2 different price points ... then the images you take ...then viewers can make there own mind up on what offers better VFM [ Value for money ] Venture outside your comfort zone Capture planes at the Airport ...and capture some ships anchored offshore or sailing by , Use Marine traffic app if your unsure where to go ....

[@cameralabs]

I review all lenses, affordable and expensive. This is a high-end option, so for people with higher budgets.

[@mirasga]

I retired from professional photography more than a decade ago. (I'm still in my late 30's now 😂) I used the Tamron 70-200mm F2.8 A001 for professional work. Challenging but I what mattered are my happy clients. I have also used the EF 70-200mm F2.8L IS, but I liked how light the Tamron is for shooting all day. Now, as a hobbyist, I don't really need the RF 70-200mm F2.8L, but I want a lens that I can pack vertically with the body in my camera bag. So I ordered one. Is it worth it? I say yes. Since I started using pro grade AF lenses, I find it hard to go back to consumer grade AF lenses. For MF lenses I enjoy vintage lenses. 😍

[@minusinfinity6974]

Canon looks poor compared to this, dust-pump design and no TC's allowed, slower AF and weaker optically, also worse magnification. Well done Sony, no compromises to get weight down. Can't wait for the 24-70 GM II and 16-35 GM II. Selling off my remaining EF lenses ASAP.

[@AR-vf7vg]

oh nooo, I even had some cash left after selling the 16-35 GM1 for the excellellentissimo DG DN 14-24mm. A superior 16-35 GM 2 would kill me :-( "lol"

[@AR-vf7vg]

@@njrtech I tested the DN(!) 14-24 extensively especially because I had 3 new copies to compare to each other to choose the one performing best on my main body. Each where homogeneous and better (up to each corner), than my GM 16-35. So I know them. No regrets. Very compact and light. I "pair" it with the DN f1.2 35mm (mood and sharp) witch is definitely the only 35mm I want to use as often as possible. I also sold my Laowa 12mm zéro distortion. For these shots I better stitch three vertical (nodal..) 14/15 mm from this tremendous zoom. (Another 35mm option is in my OS 24-105 that I only use for reportage photo/video.). But it's true that 14-35 feels to me more like 2 lenses in one, and the 14-24 'only' like one single top wide angle. And it does in my view not replace the f1.4 gm 24 (witch I have not) But the other way round... lol

[@christianklein5774]

supertele start at over 300 , lower is tele .

[@cameralabs]

Who mentioned super-tele?

[@justinholding02]

I'll still take the Canon RF over this, it's so much easier to carry..

[@seanimal3]

How you figure?

[@justinholding02]

@@seanimal3 ?

[@seanimal3]

@@justinholding02 I mean you said it's easier to carry have you held the sony? I mean if you're talking about packing in a bag yeah the rf version is better but that's literally the only advantage

[@cameralabs]

it's certainly shorter to transport, but it's the same weight give or take.

[@HoIyGrail]

@@seanimal3 yes, but that Advantage of length is a big deal when you have other lenses, and equipment that needs to fit. Besides they're both great lenses and subtle differences isn't going to make or break either one.