Better or Worse: Eric Clapton or Jimi Hendrix? Zeppelin or Floyd?

[@brycenpace]

Comparing bands like Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd is like comparing the Mona Lisa and Starry Night. Both are amazing, they each have different styles and one is not worse than the other.

[@kungstu22]

More interesting question (to me) Could Floyd, as a band, play LZ4? Could Zep play DSofM?

[@berna6900]

pink floyd > led zep, zep are amazing too, but not even close

[@rw2578]

I could not choose 1 over the other regarding any and all questions asked lol.... Do I prefer my left nut to my right ?

[@boomerdell]

Agreed. And, honestly, that's fully applicable to all art.

[@Alberto-ny7kf]

@@rw2578 i prefer my right

[@TheArtofGuitar]

Pink Zeppelin would be a great Tribute band.

[@marla591]

Yesssss

[@garanceadrosehn9691]

Arjen Anthony Lucassen has a song _"Pink Beatles in a Purple Zeppelin"_ on the album _"Lost in the New Real"._ 🙂

[@Squirrelconga]

Pink Jimi! 🤭

[@demonslayer5613]

I think Led Floyd would be better

[@stewpot6998]

Put Nick Mason in Zep and John Bonham in Floyd.

[@mdav30]

Meddle was probably the most obvious precursor to Dark Side, particularly Echoes. Pink Floyd really was doing their own thing at that point.

[@royaraman1898]

agreed

[@billyz5088]

and they created Echoes from a series of spacy jams - then tied it all together with rapidly improving lyrics by Waters - and a still young Gilmour coming into his own playing style and becoming a true rock guitar hero.

[@KarmicWealth]

This is exactly what I was thinking. They were inspired by themselves. And, FYI, The Beach Boys sucked. Yes, Wilson was great, but overall, they were bubblegum.

[@zd4v1d]

Agree. There are a lot of elements and themes in Meddle and Obscured that are further explored in Dark Side.

[@stempkysstories5593]

@@KarmicWealth No way in H E doubl,e hockey sticks Beach Boys "sucked" their singing alone would hold up to just about any band...but the members make the group Brian WAS the Beach Boys additionally Carl, as well as the rest of the guys could write a pretty good tune...

[@treffbennett6534]

The thing with Clapton is that after Cream, he wanted nothing to do with fame and excess, he was all about "the song" and the beauty of playing in a band for the collective unity and the joy of collaboration with other musicians.....he came to adore The Band, and the sound of each member in lock step with the other! I am now listening to all of Eric's solo material and it just has this cozy, comfortable vibe to it, a melancholy grace and modesty, with strong melodies rooted in blues, country, soul and even reggae. Clapton's soloing is often understated, but always melodically arresting, with no wasted notes or wankery going on. His choice of notes is so MUSICAL, so beautifully organized and melodically coherent..... Eric Clapton has put aside his ego for the sake of the music, and while he definitely has gone in a more commercial direction at times, the music never suffers for it. He simply has total command of his instrument and is using his full arsenal of musical skill and knowledge in service "of the song"! I believe everyone should go back and really listen to his solo catalog and hear ALL the absolute gems on these albums-this stuff is totally underrated! And......the dude can SING!

[@m.vonhollen6673]

Clapton’s vibrato is incredible. He takes the palm of his hand completely off of the back of the neck to do it. And his singing is the result of a lot of hard work; and it shows. Clapton isn’t about flash, a lot of notes, or outside jazzy playing; he’s about playing exactly the right Blues notes, the right way, at the right time and nothing more. Clapton is an icon.

[@treffbennett6534]

@@maplesyrup4881 Well, my friend, pretty much ALL musicians peak early in their musical lifetime as they simply run out of ideas or they no longer possess the hunger and fire that lit up their prime material. I prefer Clapton's volcanic playing with Cream and the stuff with John Mayall's Bluesbreakers, as well as the Derek and The Dominoes album. That said, he gets too much shite for his much more commercial material and for his toned down playing (concentrating on playing for the song) and going in a more low-key direction. His later day tunes are smartly arranged, and feature his expansive knowledge of blues, soul, country and americana. I am now 57 yrs. young and have learned to appreciate music that leans to the more subtle and less showy vibe. There is much to explore on his solo material, with backing musicians at the peak of their craft. A lot of variety and varied textures from album to album. His singing is never going to be classified as stellar-but he definitely can carry a song with his voice, and as for him being a "mediocre" songwriter.......that isn't the viewpoint of the majority of people and in ALL the millions of things I've heard and read about Eric Clapton-that surely ain't one of them! All in all-just Clapton's licks, beautiful tone and texture, and constant stellar soloing alone are worth the price of admission. He is legendary and a musician's musician-no doubt! Music is singular to each person, though, so if you're not feeling it.....cool. I just have to defend my heroes......peace and take care, Treff

[@christiaanwilhelmnieuwoudt7713]

agree whole heartedly....excellent observation

[@smitsonavane6278]

Ah my two favourite guitarists Jimi Clapton and Eric Hendrix from the band Led Floyd

[@jhglaze]

Add in jimmy page & Johnny winter and you my 4 major favs & influences

[@smitsonavane6278]

@@yellfire nice

[@smitsonavane6278]

@@jhglaze hehe lol

[@kodykindhart5644]

Jeff beck?

[@grahamjarman]

for me its the led beatles experience

[@EdDoss]

Pink Floyd simply was not trying to be like anyone. That's why there is no Pet Sounds for Dark Side. It stands alone. In my humble opinion.

[@Doohickie]

Pink Floyd truly is its own genre.

[@jdubthagreat09]

Agreed

[@EdDoss]

@Soy Orbison That's for certain but that makes my point even more. I mean, who else has ever even tried to be like Pink Floyd? They have no imitators because they truly stand alone. Thats my two cents, my 10 cents is free :-)

[@stevem.1853]

I've read that "Piper" was recorded at Abbey Road around the same time as "Pepper", and that the producers/engineers for the Floyd had worked with the Beatles also. I've also read that some people felt that Piper was pushing the boundaries of production and studio effects even further than Sgt Pepper

[@johnsrabe]

I agree but the question was which was more influential. Did anyone copy Dark Side (asking seriously)? Maybe space music groups?

[@alexdebling1564]

They broke Rhett's arm for not wearing a black T-Shirt!?

[@lescaster2179]

Rick runs a tight shop.

[@lazur1]

rules are rules

[@misteress3840]

Jajaja!

[@a.reallymcrealperson256]

😆

[@OtherTheDave]

Correct

[@luigicalzone1558]

But donˋt forget the Unplugged/acoustic guitar impact by Clapton. It‘s often overlooked. Even today are so many people who want to learn guitar because of „Tears in heaven“ or the unplugged „Layla“. Claptons impact on electric and acoustic guitar is massive. Even Ed Sheeran picked up the guitar because of Clapton. He said this in an interview.

[@theyubini]

Most Bowie’s recorded vocals are first takes.

[@theyubini]

@@yinoveryang4246 yeah, I heard it before and thought it might be kind of a Mandela effect, but just saw the interview confirming that.

[@theyubini]

@@sz5876 well, in the time of crazy expensive studio time, a minute saved is a benjamin earned.

[@dayleclarke4433]

@@yinoveryang4246 I've never heard him sing anything other than incredibly when live. If you've got that skill why not try and keep the feel as fresh as possible?

[@robbiegrier]

Probably same with jagger lol jagger ain’t mr million takes haha u can tell

[@TheHunterGracchus]

I remember a Pink Floyd documentary video where David Gilmour says he always does two takes, but the first one usually comes out best.

[@EdmundBurgundy]

DO MORE OF THIS - this is awesome - I’m arguing with you guys, I’m arguing with my wife, I’m arguing with myself - in the best way possible - great conversations, great memory joggers. This was a GREAT episode!

[@derekwhite9932]

I picture it as mock trial and l am trying to sell you on a idea...

[@johne1599]

I’m old enough to remember that Sgt. Pepper was revolutionary like no other music in 1967. The sound of the early 60s ended the day Sgt. Pepper was released.

[@drdelewded]

Id argue "The Psychedelic Sounds of the 13th Floor Elevators" in 66 ended it

[@kodykindhart5644]

13th floor rocks so do the Beatles

[@hosephanerothe1440]

I always felt that Small Faces Ogdens' Nut Gone Flake album was a worthy attempt at both

[@scottemmonsmusic6001]

For me it was Revolver

[@lexdunn4160]

Both Rubber Soul and Revolver presented entirely new sounds.

[@WSFScotland]

Both unbelievable guitarists but Hendrix did more for the instrument than Clapton did in my opinion.

[@alwaysopen7970]

More guitarists were influenced by Hendrix, Uli Roth and Robin Trower come to mind. Toss in Frank Marino, as well.

[@RUfromthe40s]

@@22julip drugs do that ,i think it´s the best blues rock player of the world and this song refered was already released by it´s earlier band , the yarbirds, who have a long story with diferent menbers and great songs

[@Salmacis99]

@@22julip EXACTLY. Eric Clapton was, and is, a good blues guitarist, but there are probably about 500 guys just in Nashville that could smoke him any day of the week. Eric Clapton is the MOST overrated guitarist of all time.

[@lngodwetrust7117]

@@Salmacis99 l agree with you both. With all due respect to Mr. Clapton and his fan, Steve Ray Vaughn is a giant compare to Clapton or any blues player. I think STV was and still is in my opinion the best blues player ever. And also he influenced a legion of guitar players and other instrumentalists.

[@victorarena23]

thats not what they asked. they didn't say influential they said famous. Clapton is eons more famous

[@guusvandergoes6470]

Pet Sounds probably influenced Sgt. Pepper's, but Rubber Soul influenced Pet Sounds, Paul McCartney said the Beach Boys and the Beatles were trying to outdo each other for a few years

[@felipeopazomusic]

THIS!

[@danithompson1693]

💯💯💯

[@myopia2020]

@Guss van der Goes When John Lennon first heard Pet Sounds, he said "Oh, S**t! They've got us. We'll never top this." He was right :)

[@Severinate]

@@myopia2020 'The White Album' phoned, wants you to hold it's beer... :)

[@guusvandergoes6470]

@@myopia2020 Look, what album is better is an opinion, but the Beatles definitely had some albums that were more influencial than Pet Sounds, just to be clear: I don't wish to tell you how to feel, but the Beatles did top Pet Sounds a few times

[@paulmatulevich3623]

Brian May made his Trem from a motorcycle kickstand, that's like the most rock and roll part you could use

[@mdf1671]

And a bit of a knitting needle, don’t forget!

[@ALXandroATS]

@@IncredibleGoliath May’s Dad is the unsung hero who needs to be recognized. Certainly deserves a Grammy, at least.

[@PocketCloyster]

@@ALXandroATS lol why a Grammy??

[@ALXandroATS]

@@PocketCloyster Why not? Hell, if Milli Vanilli got one, why not Sir May?

[@tylerdurden5122]

I thought he made it from his mums knitting needle…. Rock and roll 🤘😬

[@siddharthmadireddy5402]

"If Roxanne came out today it would be a big hit" 👀

[@stephendouglas9423]

I am from New Jersey and when "Roxanne" came out, and we all know The Police are English, I thought that they were Latino. I Swear!!!!

[@DanteLikesRock]

Yeahh idk about that

[@greglarry11]

I don't think it would even get airplay. Rock is dead, sadly.

[@scottpierce4259]

Yes I agree. The Police really gave 70's-90's rock a badly needed shot in the arm, as the Clash had done for the 70's. Ghost in the Machine by anyone else ought to sound terribly dated for all its electronica, but it still floats my boat. Dude, It's the Police! Few bands had that influence: every new release was different but mind blowing. Why'd they have to break up? We all wept copiously.

[@jibzy73]

The part where Sgt Peppers and Dark Side is mentioned, I have to say Sgt Peppers is more influential because of the big changes in sound, songwriting & production. Both albums changed the course of music and were phenomenal!

[@secularZoo]

I can't bring myself to use the word "worse" for any of these classic albums or bands lol

[@KeithHedger]

I wish you guys would stick to your premise. Van Halen -String. The conclusions for a tie seem to be arrived at because you guys think Van Halen was great guitarist. That wasn't the question. Also, when considering these two you might have thought about the breadth of audience which would affect the 'most popular' aspect. Van Halen's audience was largely 14 to 20 year old would be shredders. String's audience was youngsters, Police fans, jazz fans, middle aged people.....a FAR larger following I'm guessing.....

[@stevec4396]

Yeah, Worse should not be in title.

[@wernermoritz882]

@@nyobunknown6983 sure, but to me a very uninteresting question…

[@baronderochemont8556]

@donald ruggles I was thinking the same thing, maybe “a little bit less great” could be used instead.

[@thegoldentroll]

@@nyobunknown6983 No, 'String' is correct.

[@michaelmurray8742]

To quote Mike Portnoy in these debates there’s no Best…just favourites.

[@Hevvvyyy]

Right ?? Like my favorite guitarist is josh homme so I guess it just depends on what artist influences you the most. Also, QOTSA rocks

[@Yakushii]

I wish Portnoy's fans listened to Portnoy's words.

[@thescramble4309]

@@Hevvvyyy Josh is probably my favorite artist and maybe one of my favorite singers besides Yorke and sting. As a guitarist though, I guess he’s creative and rhythmically driven

[@Hevvvyyy]

@@thescramble4309 The dude has the greatest riffs like even in their debut album it's got unique guitar parts that aren't too complicated.

[@revgregory]

For me the discussions these questions bring up are more interesting than the answers, the debate often forces you to look at the artists/bands/songs/albums/etc. from a different perspective than you normally would.

[@andrewbishop4447]

Pink Floyd’s dark side was influenced by Pink Floyd “echoes” that’s when they found their sound

[@devadathanpk4828]

Exactly, right after you listen to echoes, you would know something MAGNIFICIENT is coming up!!

[@umbertoyltp]

For sure it was'nt Arnold Lane ;-)

[@robrock6966]

This is exactly right. Pink floyd influenced themselves more than anyone else. They were more like an evolution.

[@dcerreta]

EXACTLY my thought watching this video. Meddle as an album is where I think most of Dark Side was born

[@clust11]

Obscured by clouds influenced DSOM’s tones too

[@noiseorsignal]

time: 0:28 Jimi Hendrix / Eric Clapton 1:20 Led Zeppelin / Pink Floyd 2:06 Jagger / Bowie 4:34 Sting / EVH 7:06 Red Special / Frankenstrat 8:39 Sgt. Peppers / Dark Side Moon 12:13 What is and What Should Never Be / Ten Years Gone 13:12 Money For Nothing / Satisfaction 15:19 David Gilmour / Pete Townshend 17:05 coda1 17:37 Leo Fender / Ted McCarty 18:43 coda2 18:56 End, Subscribe! now :o) Open beer with friends and talk.... cheers

[@raoulduke344]

Cheers for typing that all out mate.

[@robertrobles4028]

Leo Fender conceived and invented the solid body electric Bass… Quincy Jones said the Fender bass was the most important invention of the 20th Century. His amplifiers are with out question the template for all that followed. Jim Marshall’s first amps were based on the Fender Bassman. The Telecaster was his baby. The Stratocaster with the help of a couple of others changed electric guitars forever. Having said that the Gibson ES 335 along with the Strat is probably the most versatile guitar ever.

[@larryrhoe2835]

Hendrix showed all the guitarists what was possible breaking every standard assumption about the instrument. Clapton is a whole different kind of great. Precise expressive and a virtuoso but not as much of a ground breaker. Love them both. But when the greats saw Hendrix many just shook their heads knowing they had just witnessed greatness.

[@modimmusic9571]

Well said. Clapton is refined virtuoso. Hendrix defied convention.

[@PaulReus]

Indeed. Hendrix changed the rules of playing guitar. Clapton was a viirtuoso listen to Hide Away with John Mayall’s Bluesbreskers. A show case in which Eric brings a tribute to the blues players he loves. Freddy King Allmore James and others. Listen to this I tried to play this instrumental it will takes you months to do what he does. Jimi is a magician. The guitar in his hands is a brute force and a lovely voice. Listen to his albums.

[@jcteague9347]

Jimi Hendrix was a Raw guitar player and Eric Clapton with squeaky clean

[@thomaslopez7437]

Clapton was like the valedictorian of a school that taught blues-rock guitar playing. Hendrix was like the new school board superintendent who turned the school upside-down and redirected what was viewed as a proper education.

[@jcteague9347]

@@thomaslopez7437 I like the analogy

[@neumanmachine3781]

The thing about US hard rock bands from the 1970’s such as Aerosmith and Van Halen is that they were much more popular in the USA than they were elsewhere. Neither band had charting songs in Australia for.example until Jump by Van Halen and the Run DMC collaboration for Aerosmith. The hard rock scenes were different in other countries and the American sound wasn’t always the most popular. In the 1970’s/early 1980’s in Australia for example bands like AC/DC and Cold Chisel ruled the roost and the metal scene tended more British. I remember as a 12 year old being told that Van Halen was a great guitar band only for the first song of theirs to get on the radio in Australia to be synthesiser dominated. Among my peer group David Gilmour and Jimmy Page were rated far higher than any of the American players, mainly because their songs weren’t as well known.

[@RaymloR]

It is (was?) similar in Britain for the most part in that the hard rock and metal bands from America didn't chart so well, although i'd argue that the home grown rock and metal bands didn't really chart that well either. There are exceptions of course and Iron maiden, Judas priest, Def Leppard all done well at home relatively speaking in getting the odd top 10 or number 1 here or there, but in comparison to how they did in America, it would likely still be a poor showing domestically. I think this is largely due to US radio, especially the college radio scene. I wish we had any kind of rock radio in the 80's and 90's, or any rock movement in the mainstream at all in the way that Slayer or Metallica or grunge bands or anything at all were like in the US. It's fair to say that Black Sabbath and Judas Priest and Maiden and Nazareth (giants of Scottish rock just like AC/DC were :D ) would all get significantly more airtime there than they would at home. And that's a shame, because they had great fanbases here, but the big popularity was across the water because they were played on the radio, and later MTV etc, all the time. We missed that here, even the MTV part until much later. Changed days now, it's a worldwide audience as long as you can get the music out there.

[@ianhewitson2738]

I think a simple measure is "did they ever appear on Top of the Pops?" AC/DC, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Nazareth and Priest and Motorhead all did, miming away in the studio as required, whereas Aerosmith, Van Halen, Journey etc. didn't because they didn't get much of a sniff of success in the UK, at least while they were in their prime. @@RaymloR

[@edwardlagrossa1246]

Australia? And???? We should care? Don't you have your mindless rock by numbers bands to keep you stupid?

[@justinschuster4794]

Your talking about two separate things. I think your rating guitarists by popularity while referencing skill level. Those 2 things have nothing in common. In fact skill level usually causes music to be or not to be accessible to larger audiences. The Brits(most of them) had no problem letting everyone know their style and inspiration was directly from American blues players. They didn't even address Led Zeppelins insane chunks of plagiarism until recently and it was a matter of money that just went to record companies. I don't think you should gauge music by it's popularity in countries that record companies haven't bothered to market artists or don't see it as profitable. I've been a guitar player forever and not until maybe the last ten years did I understand how much in the music world was ignited by Eddie Van Halen. Yeah, I don't like jump either, but in no way does that detract from Eddie. He infused classical back into the composition of music that had been neglected for so long. With that he took classical techniques with the blues everyone had already started to play to death and opened up the world of what we know to be possible with guitar now. Was he the lone building block? Of course not. But he was doing things you couldn't hear anywhere else. If you're a musician than obviously you were happy to stay at a comfortable skill level for you that most likely adheres to music you enjoy. For those of us that wanted to be the best, it was clear to see to anyone with sense that things were being done on guitar that were on another level and opening doors to even more progress. For anyone to be the best etc. you would have to base it on what they've written, what they've created, and if they changed the face of music not just in a superfan perspective way, but truly came up with something that truly was not a thing before. That's where my argument for PF/LZ lies. Floyd created things that I could not even find similarities to something else, and as I referenced before Jimmy Page decided to directly lift music and lyrics from records he felt at the time most people wouldn't come across and LZ had a major advantage over Delta and Chicago blues players. They probably didn't have enough money to start a legal dispute, if they were still alive and they probably knew their chances. Overall I'd say your opinions that were formed when you were 12 should have been updated. Most people learn more about things of interest and form better opinions throughout life so when they speak they don't show a reflection of ignorance. Some things are my opinion as far as band preference, but everything else is is accurate to the best of my knowledge. I'm assuming your a musician. If not then I understand every comment and none of this matters. BTW I hold the British rock scene from the 70s on the highest of pedestals, and it is extremely common for people to hold bands from another country in higher regard(specifically UK) as though they have access to something we don't and they create with more class. They had massive bands come out of there back then and I see them as having powerhouse band after powerhouse. Most people see that in that way because it is hard to think outside that talent pool when diving in. It's hard to think of great US bands when I think of British bands, but then I listen to a song and all those connections come back to me and I remember different musical movements specific to the US and then remember the sheer number of great bands. Usually don't bother with the origin of a band. But I personally have always enjoyed everything Britain and would like to move there one day. It won't be for my love of the arts though. Much smaller pond there.

[@mikespearwood3914]

@@edwardlagrossa1246 And? So what? Why does it bother you so much???

[@oldgeek59]

Technically, Dark Side of the Moon was a masterpiece. Alan Parsons work incorporating the sounds of "Money" by manually editing (cutting) and synchronizing tape loops was truly impressive. When you stop to consider the songs of the album were created on a 4 track tape system, few engineers or producers today could (or would attempt to) produce it. Speaking of which, I would love to see an interview/discussion between Rick and Alan Parsons.

[@czgibson3086]

Abbey Road had a 16 track desk by the time Dark Side of the Moon was recorded.

[@adolfocamarena563]

It was actually Roger waters who did the actual sounds in money. He spliced 28 feet of tape for the loop, if I’m not wrong on the distance. Polyphonic has a sick video about all of dsom but with each song broken down. Check out the money one.

[@wendylynn4318]

@@czgibson3086 what's your point? He was saying that they created all that on four tracks.

[@davidturner3386]

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[@schipbreukeling3]

"Waters had created effects loops from recordings of various money-related objects, including coins thrown into a food-mixing bowl taken from his wife's pottery studio". also see Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon Recording Sessions [Abbey Road Sessions - 1972]

[@pttrent123]

I love discussions like this, everyone has different taste, nothing is right or wrong but nice to hear other peoples thoughts :) Recently Mark Knopfler has become my favorite guitar player, not because he plays fast, I just love his touch and stories!

[@gururajchadaga]

It's not a phase. This is a forever thing. Mark Knopfler is the finest Guitarist/musician ever. I'm 25 years old and I discovered him at 21. I wish I discovered him sooner. One of the very few artists who's solo projects are as good as or even better than his hugely successful band.

[@mcknottee]

A bunch of older guys on KZbin in nostalgia mode passionately arguing about the music of their youth. With a bunch of other older guys in nostalgia mode watching it from start to finish, hanging on every word, shouting a lot at the screen about about how wrong you are, and scaring the cat. We are what we are, guys. :-)

[@mariawesley7583]

And gals!

[@tonybates7870]

One of these guys is only 31, so not really the music of HIS youth.

[@mcknottee]

@@mariawesley7583 Gals are definitely welcome to opinionate as loud as the guys. One of the biggest Pink Floyd fans I ever met was a gal. :-)

[@tmatheson54]

Ha. Gee I’m an older guy and your comment made me laugh. Partly because I agree with you and I think I’m older that these three. Sorry but comparing these things is like comparing cars, women, men, computers or whatever. Beauty is only skin deep or however that saying goes or it’s in the eyes of the beholder. I want variety and diversity even though I might play the same song over and over on guitar and or vocals especially if I’m learning to play it or transpose it. Can you imagine music if we only had one genre, one artist? That seems like a highway to hell.

[@waltciii3]

So... what are the kids comparing nowadays?

[@dan2050]

Pink Floyd was influenced by the Beatles and Gilmore and Waters were blown away by Pepper. They’ve said this in many interviews. And Rubber Soul influenced Pet Sounds per Brian which in turn influenced Pepper. Per Rolling Stone: Roger Waters shares his sentiments on the record: “I remember when Sgt. Pepper came out, pulling the car over into a lay by, and we sat there and listened to it. We felt the Beatles were too good to compete with, honestly,” says Waters. “Sgt. Pepper was another flawless album - maybe that was encouragement because they set the bar so high.”

[@Archangel0804]

Little do they realize that Pink Floyd turned out to be a far better band than the Beatles. And I also pick the Stones over the Beatles too.

[@grahamjarman]

gilmour has also stated in interview on video, the beatles are #1 any real musician knows this lol

[@DanielJJBGriffin]

Dave Gilmour is definitely underrated. When I was 15 I was pretty categorically under the impression that Roger Waters was the singer in Pink Floyd, and my mind was blown when I realised that Dave Gilmour sings on 'Time'. Mind Blown.

[@motioninmind6015]

Or, he's overrated

[@tridibbiswas3824]

@@motioninmind6015 if you think he’s overrated you need to seriously check yourself for some disease, the man has one of the finest hands to ever play a guitar

[@glenchapman3899]

What makes you think he is under rated. He has a solo rated the best of all time. He himself is a regular in the top 5 guitarists of all time, so I am not really sure how much rated he has left to achieve.

[@glenchapman3899]

@@22julip the big difference though zeppelin had a clear vision of what they wanted to be from day one. Pink Floyd on the other hand where more focused on experimental music and underground sounds that eventually evolved into what we know today.

[@victorarena23]

gilmore is a very good singer. Pete can barely reach the notes. he has a weak voice

[@bigalexg]

These were all my favorites! Can't go wrong anywhere here. I'm old enough (66) to have lived through the 60's and early 70's madly in love with rock and roll. What a non-stop flood of amazing music! Made life back then really interesting. Zeppelin/Floyd? My two faves. Hendrix/Clapton? My two gods. Hendrix was a force of nature - so eclectic, so authentic and original. My favorite musician of ANY era. But Clapton - in his earlier years - hit some creative highs that were transcendent in their own right. Love his solo on Go Back Home on Still's solo album. The song slow burns with Still's understated sound for a long time until Clapton enters midway and blows the roof off.

[@MuiltiLightRider]

An interesting thing of note on the Sgt. Pepper's and Pet Sounds influence. Brian Wilson actually said that Rubber Soul lit a fire under the Beach Boys to make Pet Sounds

[@OmniphonProductions]

YES, THANK YOU!!!

[@bearbryant3495]

Rubber Soul remains my personal Fab Four favorite. You can just feel their evolution in it.

[@wowwhywow]

AND...Paul McCartney has mentioned Zappa as an influence as well. No mention of Zappa here... ever.

[@bearbryant3495]

@@wowwhywow I've noticed that too. Many if not most real musicians have been influenced by FZ to some extent.

[@Nickc4555]

Not to take away from what a great record Pet Sounds is, but it wasn't played by the Beach Boys, it's Brian Wilson and The Wrecking Crew, whereas Pepper was actually The Beatles, albeit with a load of orchestral players as well.

[@spatrick898]

It was great to hear this type of round table discussion. I vote for more of these!

[@ziatonic]

"10 Years Gone", hands down. There's a certain longing in the song that is more emotionally grabbing than "What is and What Should Never Be"

[@JLMtime]

Ultimate rock Elevator music lol... well not sure the track after is separated song the 1 with no voice

[@wendylynn4318]

Not to mention that Pearl jam, I think ripped that off for one of their famous songs?

[@spgtenor]

Absolutely, no question. The intricacy of the guitar parts in Ten Years Gone, the unique chord changes, the emotions it brings makes it one of Zep's best. A better comparison would have been Rain Song or Going to California with Ten Years Gone.

[@rockrep]

Yep. Haunting.

[@kingzriot976]

@@spgtenor ten years gone and Rain song would’ve been so much better.

[@howardanderin]

Love the vibe with you three! Lots of passion and shared knowledge and entertaining stories!!

[@ledferrelin]

Zeppelin and Pink Floyd are like talking about Yin and Yang, two sides of the same coin. One is the complement of the other band. Gotta love them both. You must love them both.

[@chrismartin3197]

Ehh - not big on Pink Floyd. And we all know about Zep’s originality issues

[@dbrooks76]

Huge PF fan but really could care less about Zeppelin

[@agirotto1]

Two of my top three favorite bands of all time, along with Jethro Tull.

[@BlackCatBonz]

@@chrismartin3197 Oh good. Tell us about the originality issues.

[@throgwarhammer7162]

* yin

[@JamesMc2]

Just listened to Money For Nothing’s isolated guitar tracks and it sounds like he’s emulating a keyboard (feel and tone), with the fact that Satisfaction’s fuzz was meant as a scratch for horns makes an interesting parallel. Those two songs are great examples of where originality comes from.

[@edhanlon6171]

Throw in Leo Fender’s basses and he has to be the more important designer.

[@nickangelo3283]

Arguably the Pbass was Leo’s most important contribution to music. Where would pop, R&B, or rock music be without electric bass?

[@robinsmith361]

What's interesting is Pink Floyd was recording their debut album in the same studio that the Beatles were recording Sgt. Peppers. They often ran into each other in the kitchen. So maybe the influences ran full circle. And, Alan Parsons was the engineer on Dark Side.

[@TheTrollMastah]

In like 1975 Zeppelin had all their albums on the board at once. I think that continued after their last two studio albums came out but I don’t quite remember. Led Zeppelin is my favorite band and shaped the way I play guitar. Pink Floyd is my other favorite, as well as Hendrix, Otis Redding and James Brown

[@vpsoundlabs1956]

Floyd never "borrowed" songs from other bands... just saying.

[@tarasn3829]

This is a crucial point. And more importantly, they made better music.

[@cupumanic2541]

Facts bro🔥

[@johnfrenette]

What’s kinda trippy is how much being a songwriter *wasn’t* necessarily a big thing for artists for a long time. Think of how many songs Frank Sinatra wrote, but he was still a big deal. But we (these days) assume an artist is performing their own stuff. That really wasn’t the case for a good long while. (This is not to discount that Led Zeppelin we’re pretty ruthless thieves)

[@-RJ-hw6qq]

Feel free to get Led original songs, no copies, no "inspirations", and tell me they are not the best band of history: Achilles Last Stand; Kashmir; Imigrant Song; Ramble On; No Quarter; Heartbreaker; Black Dog; Rock and Roll; The Battle of Evermore; Four Sticks; Going to California, and many more... Bonham, Page, Plant and Jones. All of them brilliant. There isn't a weak musician on the band!

[@atomiccritter6492]

@@-RJ-hw6qq you are in denial that Led Zep not only lifted blues standards but failed to credit the original creators. And Yes LZ are NOT the best band in history

[@musicmann1967]

Great to see you guys back in the same room! This is exactly the kind of topics my friends and I talk about and bust each others balls about! Lots of fun. Very enjoyable episode.

[@leedonnelly6217]

I'd love to see a UK v's USA band-off. In my opinion, UK bands have tended to be (though not exclusively), the innovators, the abstract thinkers and the boundary pushers.

[@jjhynd7302]

Explain to me why you never talk about Rory Gallagher, a hugely talented guy and influential to so many?

[@lastschicker]

Because he never sold out

[@adikickass84]

because I think Rick mentioned once that they claim copyright on those videos

[@DaveJacoby]

I've known about Rory since his signature Strat in the 1990s, but I've heard like 5 songs, all since 2010 and all because KZbin. He just isn't part of the US rock conversation.

[@nikosschoretsanitis4329]

Because they live in USA

[@45calypso]

Awesome guitar player but not a hugely talented song writer. Sort of the Joe Bonamassa of his day.

[@cortical1]

I almost had a stroke trying to choose between What Is And What Should Never Be and Ten Years Gone.

[@judewessel5713]

I was a little surprised at this one, I love WIAWSNB. But ten years gone is just amazing like it clearly wins for me

[@brunobailly7013]

@@judewessel5713 For me too. I didn't understand the hesitation either. It was obviously Ten Years Gone for me.

[@tylerdurden5122]

Rain song: “am I a joke to you fools?”

[@jchis9852]

What Is And What Should Never Be is a good song and super cool with the channel pans and JPJ's bass work, but Ten Years Gone is a work of art for the ears.

[@afihaileywibowo1095]

@@tylerdurden5122 Yess!!

[@JoeJohnston-taskboy]

"But, David Bowie" is exactly correct, as science tells us.

I must say without a doubt that Sgt Pepper is far more influencial than Dark Side of the Moon. Dark Side of the Moon covers only one style even if it's done with virtuosity and which is what most artist want to find. Dark Side of the Moon is more than interesting for musicians, but Sgt Pepper is the quintessence of an era, it goes from rock'n roll to old-school ballad and pirate-like song, to indian-influenced piece to psychedelic anthem, using a ton of new creative ideas, musical and instrumental influences put together in a magical unique mindblowing conceptual album. You might say that Pet Sound was taken as a challenge by Paul McCartney who always wanted to make better music, even when The Beatles had already written Rubber Soul and Revolver, and were in the writing of Magical Mystery Tour (!!!). But even nowadays, Dark Side of the Moon is still considered as a progressive rock album. Sgt Pepper is above any classification or better, it is the very spirit of pop music itself.

[@johnzias284]

As someone who was a 17yo guitar player in 1970, I'm not sure Hendrix had a quantifyably bigger influence than Clapton at the time. Cream was certainly as popular as The Experience. My first Arena show was Cream's farewell at the Garden in Nov. '68. It was a tougher ticket than Jimi's 5/69 MSG appearance. They were both about the most influential through '70. Page and Beck soon followed.

[@Gcssdvnkloiutesc]

Hendrix definitely had a bigger influence without a doubt

[@ddr5138]

The funny yet tragic thing is though that Roy Buchanan was better than both of them.

[@Nobodyimportant696]

but that popularity was based more on the rock pop songs they were putting out not Claptons guitar playing. tons of musicians who weren’t rock went to Hendrix shows.

[@AliTaylor777]

I think the biggest issue with the comparison is we got to see Clapton sink into vapid mediocrity as his career went on. Hendrix became a legend partly because of his death, as well as his influence.

[@joshmc333]

Rhett is right about the Strat. When musicians and non-musicians alike think "electric guitar" the Strat shape comes to mind. So much so, that the universal emoji for "electric guitar" is a Strat design.

[@gregmize01]

🎸🎸🎸🎸😂😂😂😂

[@Dagger_323]

The Strat is the most iconic electric guitar look, but the Les Paul is the most iconic guitar sound. Most laymen who know nothing about guitar think of overdriven tones and are actually recalling the sound in their heads of a Gibson through a Marshall, not a Strat.

[@spb7883]

8:45 - Pepper, and here’s why: until then, rock albums were supposed to approximate a band’s live sound. After Pepper, bands increasingly tried to get a great studio sound live. That’s the answer.

[@greglarry11]

Yes, but no one ever tried to emulate those arrangements. Sgt. Pepper's has a lot of really quirky, odd ... very British, very Beatles tunes. All that orchestration and horns .... no one ever tried to do arrangements like that. Yes, others saw there was more to recording ... but not the way Martin and the Beatles did it. Listen to what the Lads did to James Taylor's "Carolina in My Mind." They ruined it. It sounds silly.

[@spb7883]

@@greglarry11 Agree, though I wasn’t arguing there was emulation. I’m arguing purely on the basis of studio quality sound, and that with Pepper the criteria for live sound started to gradually shift toward studio quality. Pepper in other words affected live performance practices, which in turn further affected studio production techniques. I feel its influence on rock and popular music in this regard was ultimately negative, even though I love the record.

[@mcrestwood7378]

Sarge pepper,,brought the concept album to the forefront,love em both.

[@joshuabiddix2923]

Clapton has stood the test of time. He's experimented different genres and they've all sounded great.

[@maryforbes4277]

I agree. I think he has made a great contribution to music.

[@michaelred5997]

I totally agree

[@aqbastos]

Great discussion. But I disagree about the band. Pink Floyd was disruptive, new, instigating. LZ was brilliant, magnetic. For me, and I respect all opinions, PF had more impact in the music.

[@Professorkenneth]

Well said mate ..👍🏻 pink Floyd were more conceptual. More cerebral. Zeppelin were just collage artists, a cover band. Their music was about sex drugs rock and roll..nothing deep about that. Pink Floyd were/ is a perfect soundtrack for the mind. But it's all opinion. It doesn't really matter. 👊🏻🇬🇧🎸💯

[@LynneConnolly]

Having seen them both in the 1970's, Led Zep. They had the gift of communicating with the audience. Floyd were concentrating on playing their music, and you got the feeling that they could be playing to an empty room and still behave the same way.

[@boblange6434]

Interesting point about Dark Side being disruptive. I still think Zeppelin had greater breadth of influence, but they were also part of a continuum of Yardbirds, Fleetwood Mac, Cream, etc. Pink Floyd had to have felt like a whole new thing precisely because it was a disruptor.

[@jacobgetlan5609]

I think how you frame the question is important too. Which band was more revolutionary is Pink Floyd almost without question. But the question was which band was more famous? Can you really think of too many rock bands more famous than Zeppelin? Does Dark Side, Wish You Were Here, and Echoes go up against countless, and I mean countless, Zeppelin hits? I love them both though so much.

[@mrfester42]

"Pet Sounds" didn't influence Sgt Pepper. "Pet Sounds" inspired the making of Sgt Pepper. McCartney wanted to top "Pet Sounds" rather than build on the music of that album.

[@richardnanian6075]

And "Pet Sounds" was influenced by "Revolver" and "Rubber Soul" to the same degree as it influenced "Sgt. Pepper's."

[@dezertfox3130]

You were there.

[@jaysterling26]

Indeed. There's no barber shop harmonies on Sgt. Pepper.

[@tw364]

mrfester the reason 'Pet Sounds' keeps being brought up here, is these guys don't really know what their talking about when you get outside of their range and timeline.

[@mrfester42]

@@tw364 I was pointing out what was, in all likelihood, a less than perfect choice of a word. I was NOT pointing out what these guys know or don't know about music. Your response to my post is a complete non sequitur because I wasn't commenting at all about what these guys know about music but now that you've brought it up... I'm no music scholar but I am a music junkie and I'm 62 years old so I've heard a lot of different types of music in my life and I love most of it. I haven't heard much of what the others guys know about music but from the little I've heard they seam to have a good feel for what is good and what is not and that has NOTHING to do with what people like or don't like. Most people who don't know much about music think that anything they like is great music. They are clueless in understanding what a great songwriter is or what great musicianship is. Rick is especially talented with recognizing all that and he DOES have a wide range of understanding for modern music of all types and by that I mean modern 20th century music. Your comment tells me that it's YOU who really doesn't know what he's talking about.

[@mikekirby2085]

This is hilariously fun to watch. These are the conversations i live for.

[@JiminTennessee]

The Bowie/Jagger discussion is GREAT. Tie for singing and songwriting....the thing that sets Jagger apart is that he is the best front man EVER :)

[@inthso362]

A little unfair, because the Beatles started earlier, but Dark Side of the Moon wouldn't have been conceivable without the broken ground Sgt. Peppers provided. Just an opinion, but a right one.

[@jamesdavison2927]

Agree

[@doscwolny2221]

I agree,waters said as much. But sgt peppers was also a reaction to the London Underground which Floyd was a part of. A real ‘chicken and the egg’ moment.

[@CoxJul]

Sgt Peppers was an album (possibly the first) made without consideration of having to perform it live following the Beatles decision to stop touring in 1966 - that's what makes it the first 'Studio album' that opened up a whole new music business model.

[@inthso362]

@@CoxJul Interesting. I never considered that. I'd heard when the Beatles started, they wanted their recordings to sound as good as their live performances. By the end, they wanted their jams to sound as good as their recordings.

[@Jiv_Ing57819]

Beatles more well known than either yet is that a good thing? ,:-0

[@TheWctman]

When I've had a few beers, I get the Led out; after a few joints, it's time for Pink Floyd.

[@jeanpaulmichell7243]

I know what you mean. Zepp has the kick-ass energy, Floyd the enigmatic space-time contemplations.

[@debbiemiller421]

clev er

[@andyfletcher3561]

Maybe my developing a sensitivity to alcohol is why I can't much listen to Zeppelin anymore...I mis the warmth of my Turkey 101 something fierce at times...

[@Jiv_Ing57819]

Early pink Floyd would be a Trip with weed ,:-0

[@matthijssmith733]

and if its beer and weed - Hendrix

[@jacksondavies1451]

I still think The Beatles is the most influential band of all time

[@carmstrong6507]

That’s not just an opinion it’s an objective fact. The Beatles are without a doubt the most influential band ever.

[@lyndoncmp5751]

And yet I hear more Zeppelin influence in music than The Beatles.

[@vladimird5280]

Yes but they are unimportant in this context

[@vladdrakul7851]

I would rate this as Rick's best video yet. The questions and answers were top notch and a very thoughtful gathering without the usual tiresome dogmas and egos 10/10! You guys were great together and knocked this one out of the park IMHO! Some real hard choices there! Many natural ties!

[@robelsac]

I just heard “10 years gone” for the first time. It strikes me as a masterpiece, and the better of the two.

[@zachramsden9549]

Listen to “The Rain Song” next. It’s Jimmy Page’s response to George Harrison asking him why he’s never written a ballad before.

[@abbeyroad9529]

I'm jealous that you've just heard it now

[@TML34]

I agree, but just. How many guitars were layered into 10 years… it’s brilliant.

[@mcasteel2112]

Changes fill my time, baby, that's alright with me In the midst I think of you, and how it used to be

[@mr.mojorisin6402]

Ah, that's a great one. I was in Greece for two weeks... nothing against Eastern music, but as a Westerner I'd had my fill by then... then I rented a car for a drive through the mountains and it had a CD player. Ten Years Gone never sounded so good with the sun setting behind the mountains. It's one of those forever memories.

[@jimmymac9388]

There is only two albums in my 70 years that actually blew me away when I first heard them.Jimi Hendrix are you experienced and the Beatles Revolver album (Tommorow never knows)

[@stephanegosselin3010]

Dark Side of the Moon secret key is Alan Parsons, listen to Parsons’ works.

[@jrensh]

Absolutely....little known fact

[@tonylaughlin6663]

Alan Parsons worked on both Let it Be and Abbey Road albums as an assistant engineer. A few years earlier than Dark Side.

[@josephvoorhees9353]

BINGO ON PARSONS!!!!

[@MrFloyd-te1nh]

Alan Parsons gets more credit than what he really deserves. Eric Woolfson was the real deal in The Alan Parsons Project. Look him up.

[@stephanegosselin3010]

@@MrFloyd-te1nh I don’t have to look it up, you are wrong.

[@johnhostetler9666]

The Money for Nothing intro is basically the guitar equivalent of Jeff Porcaro’s Rosanna shuffle. Possible to replicate, impossible to duplicate. It’s all in the fingers.

[@emirozdemir2037]

so true

[@garystackhouse5787]

Perfect way to put it... I try for the groove and feel and don't worry if it's not perfectly note-for-note. I think Knopfler does the same live.

[@221b-l3t]

I think Espresso Love is harder. I can kinda do Money for Nothing and it sounds halfway like Mark but Espresso Love no idea. It's the same notes throughout and simple to play but I can't even get close.

[@Salah.alkhalifa]

PF redefined the whole new concepts of recording history. They are absolutely the exception in this industry.

[@justinschuster4794]

Thank You fine sir. A man of reason.

[@pierreschnehage8152]

Indeed!

[@luksjfernandes]

Not as much as The Beatles

[@Salah.alkhalifa]

DSOTM 1973 alone marks the standard of the music industry. Meddle ‘71, WWH ‘75, animals ‘77 and TW ‘79 are additional peaks in the history that no band could ever achieve! By the way, the DSOTM live at Empire Pool 1974 version is the best album in the whole history of live performance ever made. I’m not sure how the other bands think about their own work but they are indeed still feeling jealous about PF work.

[@luksjfernandes]

@@Salah.alkhalifa you're talking no sense dude. There's a lot of other musicians/producers/bands/engineers that set standards as high as Pink Floyd. Floyd wasn't the most experimental band like Mothers of Invention, neither invented most of the studio fx like The Beatles. Todd Rundgren's very much influential to the producers old school scene, as well as many others. Floyd is great but is just another band. Floyd's a one trick pony, with only one really great solid album (DSOTM), while The Beatles has like five and The Stones has like three or four. Also, Pet Sounds was way more revolutionary than DSOTM. I agree that Dark Side is very well recorded, but it has more to do with Abbey Road then with fucking David Gilmour and Roger Waters. 1972-1973 is the highlight of rocknroll well produced masterpieces albums: Ziggy Stardust, Machine Head, Vol. 4, Aqualung, Something/Anything?, even fucking Lou Reed was very well recorded in Transformer...all the while The Stones were giving a fuck to it doing Exile on Main Street, raw in a way PF will never be able to be. They are too english divas to play rocknroll like The Stones. Even Zappa rocks harder sometimes, like in "My Guitar Wants to Kill Your Mama". Floyd's pitiful try of rocking hard is "Have a Cigar", a cool song, but that's it. Last but not least, much of what you hear today (drums and bass sounds and overall mix balance) comes from Billy Joel's Stranger. P.S: Roger Waters will never write a Bob Dylan lyrics quality song. If we gonna talk about jealousy, Dylan can laugh of them all songwriters. Every honest songwriter will always be jealous of his unbelievable and unique talent.

[@pressonc]

“What is and What Should Never Be” is an amazing piece of music that is criminally underrated and underplayed. HOWEVER, “Ten Years Gone” is probably one of Zeppelin’s top five best tracks ever written; it’s an entire, self-contained listening experience with the potential to dramatically change a person’s outlook on life. For me, “Ten Years Gone” wins that matchup.

[@UnwrittenSpade]

While I agree with what you say I still gotta side with what is and what should never be I love talking to other zep fans

[@christopherprim1973]

That's a hard one. It comes down to whether you prefer early Zep or later Zep: at the time of the question, because your tastes change, just like mine. I'm still waiting for the band to include 'Out on the Tiles' in the set, like Jimmy did with the Black Crowes. That youthful innocence and zeal will never be repeated.

[@frigginjerk]

Tough call. I can't make any claims to something like "better." As for which I like more... I enjoy the quiet-verse, loud chorus thing of "What Is," but I just have such a hard time saying no to a big, epic song like "Ten Years Gone."

[@haydnmcdonnell2397]

i prefer what is and what should never be even though ten years gone is the first solo ive ever learned because what is and what should never has more of a bluesy feel to it

[@dontreadmyprofilepicture1152]

Ten Years Gone is both me and my dads favorite led zep song

[@graemebarnes4405]

In the nineties I played in a cover band doing Cream and Hendrix covers. Clapton and Hendrix really taught me a lot.

[@Nominay]

God channeled through Jimi Hendrix to play guitar. I've always seen it that way even when I was ignorant about music. There is only one guitar hero, and everyone else is an exceptional guitarist.

[@ZZZebman]

The only missing part was beer and a bartender for adding his two bits.

[@meeds7473]

Pet Sounds was influenced by Rubber Soul. Brian Wilson is on record, multiple times, saying that his main motivator for making Pet Sounds was the Beatles' Rubber Soul. He said that the avante-garde choice of different instrumentation (e.g. the sitar) while maintaining a singular thematic thread was a major influence on the album. Then Sgt Pepper's comes out and it's turned it to 11. I think it's fair to say that Pet Sounds bridges the gap between the two albums somewhat - but I think the Beatles were already on that journey (see Revolver), so it was inevitable regardless of Pet Sound's (or Zappa's Freak Out) release. Pet Sounds is also very Spector-(yikes)-influenced - while Sgt Pepper's (and the two albums that preceded it) are both quite pioneering in the way that they are produced and arranged.

[@lrvogt1257]

Pet Sounds was clearly important and influential but I never found it very compelling. Meh.

[@timhoovermusicman]

@@lrvogt1257 to this day I've never listened to it and I like the beach boys. looking at the list of songs there's nothing I want to hear.

[@davidannderson9796]

Paul McCartney himself said that Sargent Pepper's was an attempt to equal Pet Sounds. And yes, Pet Sounds was influenced by Phil Spector (so were huge numbers of other great artists (like Bruce Springsteen and Born To Run for example)), but where Phil Spector hits with a sledgehammer, Brian Wilson paints with a very sophisticated paintbrush. Brian Wilson advanced so far on Phil Spector's techniques it's ridiculous. And the sound of the whole rock movement changes after Pet Sounds. Gets much more symphonic. You go from folk rock to The Doors and Jefferson Airplane, Cream and Iron Butterfly. Pet Sounds was huge. Musicians just worshipped that album. So many of the great musicians of the time heard and were influenced by that album. And Good Vibrations too.

[@rft2001]

I'm way into psychedelia but Pet sounds holds up slightly better for me because the lyrics are deeper and more universal. I'd put Revolver as better than either one however. Sgt Pepper's is by far the most important album of all time though for it's cultural importance and musical influence. Dark Side is the better album though. It is a 100% perfect album.

[@mikaelsjoberg1894]

3 teenagers talking about whats important in life. Its beautiful!

[@stevengifford7457]

Freshman dorm after bong hits.

[@mrax101]

Awesome vid! @3:17, when you mention 'Happy", Learning the opening riff taught me all about Major Pentatonics, and eventually, the major scale. That riff mystified me for years. "How does it work with this song'? Funny, but learning that little intro riff ended up DOUBLING my repertoire and knowledge of music.

[@dazxmedia]

everyone knows dark side of the moon, yes, EVERYONE also knows The Wall

[@scrout]

How long did Dark Side of the Moon chart? Yes.

[@paradiswest4395]

Everyone knows Zeppelin IV

[@tinmachine693]

Everyone knows Johnny Mathis greatest his Vol III.

[@vladimird5280]

@@paradiswest4395 nah

[@joeking433]

The Wall was cool but it's no Dark Side of the Moon. Gilmour was saying that after the huge success of DSTM that they really lost their direction and inspiration. It's hard to follow such a great success. Athough their post DSTM albums were all good they never reached the pinnacle of DSTM again. The Wall was huge because their managers pushed really hard. That's what happens, a seminal album is made like DSTM and then the record companies put so much money into furthering that success and although the albums are not quite as good they sell a lot more and get more publicity. Happens all the time with bands.

[@davidc6032]

Ten Years Gone, easy call. In fact, it's way up there as their all-time best.

[@Atomic1710]

Not Hot-Dog?

[@marvezellman6151]

Agreed, its clear of what is and what should never be

[@DC-ih8bv]

Jimmy’s most melodic and heartfelt solo.

[@BenNouhan]

Legit, ten years gone is the best song on PG I reckon, whereas what is and what should never be doesn't even crack the top 5 on zep 2

[@christopheralton-moonn2097]

@@Atomic1710 ha ha that's my least favorite song of their's

[@09ncowan]

Pet Sounds was Brian Wilson’s response to Rubber Soul and Sgt. Peppers was The Beatles response to Pet Sounds

[@ZaphiroAnejo]

Actually, I believe Revolver was a response to Pet Sounds

[@SimpleManGuitars1973]

Pet Sounds is the most incredible pop record of all time and it's honestly not even close to me. I actually think Revolver is better than Sgt Peppers. I love all those albums but that's just my take.

[@melrupinski88]

@@SimpleManGuitars1973 FWIW, “God Only Knows” is Paul McCartney’s favorite song, and he has given each of his children a copy of Pet Sounds as a rite of passage.

[@atomiccritter6492]

I thought Sgt Pepper was down to some sort of musicians writers block where MCartney encouraged the others to step outside their Beatles sound to avoid being The Beatles...like musical roleplaying

[@atomiccritter6492]

@@SimpleManGuitars1973 I would argue that Pet Sounds is THE most overrated album ever perhaps for musos and journalists on the make its good but its a very weak album to the general public. Oh before anyone launches into an attack I DO like The Beach Boys

[@odgeUK]

I was born in 1977. If you grew up in the U.K in the 80s, only Rock Fans knew who Eddie was. Van Halen = Jump then, and not much more to the mainstream. EVERYONE knew who Sting was. Different in the U.S. I know.

[@Fatchance89]

Sting vs Eddie Van Halen - The Police and Sting were HUGE all over Europe pretty much for over two decades. On the other hand though, if you had asked, 9 out of 10 people in Europe would have had no idea who Eddie Van Halen was. And it's still true.

[@stefan1024]

I agree. Show random people fotos of both and they will recognize Sting but not Eddie.

[@RebelToneMusic412]

Attempted “money is for nothing” after watching this, it’s nearly impossible not to butcher

[@lewsheen7514]

Yeah... It's a BITCH. I worked on it for a while, then gave up. You DO realize the iconic guitar part is finger-picked, right?

[@marla591]

Thank you for stating this because it was a personal goal of mine for years but never felt good enough and now feel less alone LOL

[@davej9228]

@@lewsheen7514 Everything he plays is finger picked, that's why it's so difficult play.He plays electric guitar like a classical acoustic.

[@megawega6370]

I could never play it right and it always frustrated me. Makes me want to waste a few hours trying again....nah.

[@lapelcelery42]

I learned to play guitar listening to Mark Knopfler and David Gilmour, and Money for Nothing is a good riff to cut your teeth on for Mark. It is finger picked, which is tough if you haven't learned in that style, but it's only a back and forth between one finger and a thumb, rather than using three or four fingers like a lot of his other stuff.

[@vDomMusic]

"Which album is more influential, Sgt. Peppers or Dark Side of The Moon?" Me wearing a Dark Side of the Moon shirt while watching this: "Sgt. Peppers"

[@LivingArmor196]

There wouldn't be Dark Side of the Moon without Sgt. Peppers.

[@rohnnyjotten3985]

Depends how you define influential, for me Sgt Peppers is influential in how studios were used as instruments and the recording process and what you could do with all the tools at Abbey Road. DSOTM influenced a lot more people to learn to play and form bands IMO.

[@juliemanarin4127]

Dark Side Of The Moon!

[@velvetwatermelon2647]

@@juliemanarin4127 But without Sgt. Peppers, there would be no Dark Side.

[@darwinswrong]

@@LivingArmor196 There wouldn't be a Dark side without Pipers at the Gates of Dawn

[@seancowan685]

Thank you! money for nothing is a tricky tune! I appreciate how thoughtful you all were with your answers. It shows your passion and that you truly appreciate good music! Les Paul sunburst guitars is what first pops up in my head

Rick, you could make a video about Brian Eno's influence and production directions on Bowie's work!

[@0000song0000]

Brian Eno even produced U2... that's how eficicient he was

[@ljmiller96]

Talking Heads and Roxy Music too. How many artists has Eno influenced? I'm thinking he influenced all the artists.

[@songsmithy07]

Or just make a video of Eno's influence as a producer. It could be an episode in a new series about producers. The lust is endless: George Martin, Tom Dowd, Phil Specter, Rick Ruben, George Massenburg...

[@acausalfermion]

@@songsmithy07 Robert Fripp, John Cale, Kevin Ayers...

[@songsmithy07]

@@acausalfermion Daniel Lanois

[@pm5858]

I don't see how Floyd can be influential when no one has ever sounded like them but them. There are lots of Zep clones. That being said, I love them both.

[@LaMarcGasoldridge]

I don't think a band can only be influential by having clones of how their band sounded. The way i see how influence works, other bands take bits and pieces of Pink Floyd, for example, and make it as their own. Using Floyds influence and the bands own creativity

[@captainnemonic]

I can name two huge bands influenced by Floyd: Radiohead and Tool. Floyd laid the groundwork for both. The cool think is that they're not direct clones. Rather than a "let's just copy them directly, these bands were influenced on completely different dimensions, like unorthodox songwriting, conceptual approaches, musical landscapes. Listen to Set the Control for the Heart of the Song and then dish up some Reflection. Ok Computer is a conceptual descendent from Roger's style.

[@RickReasonnz]

You don't have to be a copy to be influenced by a band. Hell, the entire genre of progressive rock/metal would be shadow of what it is without Pink Floyd.

[@Sandkasten36]

Listen to Octavarium by Dream Theatre and tell me that this is not heeeaaavily influenced by Pink Floyd.

[@irvinemeadows6235]

You guys should check out band called ‘Airbag’ Almost all of their songs have huge Pink Floyd vibe I suggest You to check out song called ‘Colours’ Let me know if someone also thinks the same :)

[@strazburg]

I think it would be safe to say the peppers influenced Dark Side, or at least floyd in general. I remember seeing an interview with waters where he said that once they heard peppers, everything changed for them.

[@seabud6408]

This is what I posted above re this and DSofTM in particular.... what do you think? What influenced Dark SOT Moon 🌑. I did think about this years ago. It was Abbey Road 🚗 by The Beatles IMO. Why do I think that? I bought Abbey Rd aged 12 in 1970, and played it to death (my only album) I think it’s the Beatles best “album” ... not necessarily their best collection of songs. I couldn’t work out why I seemed to be the only person I knew who wasn’t blown away by DSOTM, 🌑 though I liked it a lot. To this day I have rarely met anyone who has really “listened” to Abbey Rd. Evidence? When I mention it, people say they’ve “never listened to it” or “What’s on it?” Yet, it’s a fantastic album. Floyd recorded it in the same studio, not long after the Beatles. I feel they were influenced by it’s beautiful rounded production/great sound quality and flow. The albums actually sound similar, production wise, to me. I think Pink Floyd decided A Rd 🚗 would be a good template for a more American sounding album format, with a broader appeal than their quirky Englishness/ambient leaning, long form material, thus far. They were aiming to go mega and they did, just that. George Martin is responsible for making so many song fragments work together on A Rd 🚗 side 2. He stipulated that he should have overall control production wise. Great production and overall vision/cohesion is also evident on DSOTM. Finally, the covers/titles. The Beatles dressed enigmatically walking across the “Zebra’s back” ... is almost as iconic as the Prism. Naming it Abbey Rd and showing them symbolically walking 🚶‍♀️to work, was brilliantly mundane. “Dark side of the moon” evokes an location that epitomises mystery/enigma about something we see everyday. You can’t walk🚶‍♀️there. 😀 The Prism, in contrast is about the mysterious nature of that most ubiquitous, yet only seemingly mundane, phenomena ... light. 🌈 . Dark and light. There was speculation at the time that the Beatles diverse dress, (eg white/black suit, life/death etc) for that shoot, evoked the spectrum of human personality. They are walking across dark and light .... TooFar! I hear you say. That is my tuppence worth. I’ve never had anyone agree with me on the above or why I feel “Wish you were here” is a better album than 🌑 😀

[@bryanfinkell5184]

This just goes to show how age effects musical options. I was alive when Sargent Pepper came out. That album was a musical phenomenon. It totally and permanently changed pop music forever! As well as other musical genres. Pink Floyd didn't even come close. Neither did any other band. 🎸

[@apezincorporated321]

This reminds me of that scene in "Stand By Me" where they're arguing over who would win in a fight, Might Mouse or Superman.

[@Peter7966]

Goofy wins by a nose.

[@jeanpaulmichell7243]

@@Peter7966 Pluto would maul goofy to shreds. Because Pluto is pure-breed, see.

[@Peter7966]

@@jeanpaulmichell7243 I think it would be a tie. I figure Goofy might be able to outsmart Pluto. He's a talking dog. That's rare. So I'm using my one tie and calling it a toss up.

[@jeanpaulmichell7243]

@@Peter7966 Good point. Pluto wasn't known for his intelligence, after all.

[@cirenosnor5768]

Peter7966 - And then Scooby Doo does a drive by and kills ‘em all

[@joegalante7004]

Aristotle, Socrates, and Plato discussing the height of rock music.

[@davmets86]

I hope they don't drink the hemlock

[@Rusty69-er]

Three guitar playing, alcohol drinking bums waxing lyrical

[@GaryBook]

I love your humor.

[@OscarRuiz-gj3mp]

@@Rusty69-er Bums? All 3 of them are gainfully employed. What about You, Kiddo?

[@Rusty69-er]

@@OscarRuiz-gj3mp Ah bless!

[@Slydeil]

The Pet Sounds influencing Pepper point misses that Rubber Soul influenced Pet Sounds. Rick was perfectly correct in saying that the influence was on the recording and use of orchestration rather than on the songs or sound. And without Pepper I doubt we'd have heard Dark Side of The Moon as it allowed bands to experiment and develop in the hope of another Pepper being produced.

[@MrBillybooth]

Very good points. I agree with you.

[@michaelheinz3954]

Agreed! It is well documented that Brian Wilson was completely blown away when he heard Rubber Soul. Pet Sounds was his effort to better what the Beatles had achieved with Rubber Soul. And then the Beatles made another huge step forward coming up with Sergeant Pepper. In my opinion you cannot overestimate the influence of Sergeant Pepper. I had never heard something like Dark Side, but that one goes to Pepper, hands down.

[@lp59pete]

I came on here to point this out, but here it is already. 👍

[@paulreese3071]

As I was listening I thought it might be more appropriate to say that they motivated each other, if not outright challenged each other?

[@Slydeil]

@@paulreese3071 The Beatles, Beach Boys and Dylan all fed off each other and pushed each other to make better and more ground making music. Along with Motown they are foundation of all modern rock and pop.

[@ryanpeters2336]

Pet Sounds influenced Sgt Peppers, but you’re starting point in that discussion is really Revolver, which might be the most important album in that discussion. Also, the direct influence for Dark Side is obviously Wizard of Oz

[@christopherprim1973]

David Gilmour is a SWEET singer! The acoustic stuff on Meddle is amazing. Floyd is known for the rock, but the folky ballads are beautiful.

[@neillenet291]

Gilmour never gets the credit he deserves for his voice. Although Rick Beato has given him his props.

[@melian9999]

Wish you were here disagrees. I can play 9 pink Floyd songs that no one knows but everyone knows wywh.

[@christopherprim1973]

@@melian9999 But your point is.. what?

[@melian9999]

@@christopherprim1973 that Floyd is known for the rock sound. I disagreed cause I think their most known song is wish you were here, which is the folky ballad. Not fighting just my observation

[@doscwolny2221]

@@melian9999 money or another brick in the wall

[@trevorchapman4304]

Lsd was the most influential thing to happen to music

[@donlofting4268]

Mmmm

[@JulioLeonFandinho]

whatever that means, it's not true

[@mikezingone9471]

Hilarious! Awesome comment dude!!

[@MrBillybooth]

I was just starting college then. And for the most part, I agree. :)

[@JulioLeonFandinho]

@Dallas D American icons? what about freaking classical composers? I can see Vivaldi writing the 4th seasons high 🤦‍♂️

[@Doohickie]

Bowie vs Jagger: Bowie is by far the better singer. Jagger is, however, the very best front man of any band ever.

[@paulshanahan135]

Who’s a better front man, Mick Jagger or Freddie Mercury? Mick has obviously done it longer, but Freddie was one of a kind. For example, his performance at “Live Aid” stole the show.

[@tonybates7870]

Bowie had a lot of different voices. Jagger only really had one. That, added to DB's superior range, makes him the better singer of the two for me.

[@maxwellkazemba2299]

Iggy Pop wants a word

[@harrysachs2274]

But have you seen Jagger and Bowie singing "Dancing in the Streets"

[@autoproblematic5800]

Sorry dude, best front man ever is quite obviously Morrison.

[@lgrim68]

It's great to see this video get almost five million views. One can call these types of discussions esoteric or trivial, but we must remember that art is part of what makes us special as a species. These kinds of debates are worthwhile and provocative.

[@tranquilitybase6417]

So when is the next installment of the Joni Mitchell interview? 50 years since Blue?

[@leighfoulkes7297]

I feel that Pink Floyd has gotten bigger over the years (their albums have timed better) but Led Zeppelin was at the time. Led Zeppelin has always been more influential though.

[@DerekBolli]

Both bands tapered off later in their careers. Led Zeppelin after "Physical Graffiti" (1975) and Pink Floyd after "The Wall" (1979)

[@davidparadis490]

All zeppelin is way over played...there is a lot of great pink Floyd that doesn't make the airwaves thats so great to sit back and absorb

[@oneaburns]

@@DerekBolli Disagree. There are lots of great songs after The Wall.

[@oneaburns]

I think no one tries to imitate or even approach Pink Floyd because they can’t. I love Zepplin but lots of bands have come out sounding like them because it’s relatively easy. They’re never as good but you know what I mean.

[@DerekBolli]

@@oneaburns Sure, just not as many and not the same high quality as on earlier albums. Hence "tapering off"

[@Fraizh]

Each time they say: ‘everybody knows’ in reality means: ‘everybody over fifty knows’

[@morganghetti]

By 50 you mean 30.

[@tb-cg6vd]

Thankfully I'm on the right side of that number.

[@edwardlagrossa1246]

Who is "everybody?" That is the laziest word in the English language and it mean absolutely nothing! Maybe one is talking about the five or six people he knows in his immediate circle. Big deal. Drop it from your rant people.

[@raybrown1725]

what a cool dad

[@andykamulya8634]

man, after seeing Rick playing Djent music and all that, Rick is definitely more millennial than Rhett lol. Rhett's a 30 year old boomer when it comes his influences and gear choices! if anyone gets offended by my statement, it's nothing serious, aight! I like both Rick and Rhett's content!

[@darrylbaker273]

Boy do I love this kind of conversation. Excellent stuff.

[@BUNKERJR53]

Yes, you need to make this a series. This is one series I would love to be in on (at 68 years old) as a vocalist and musician.

[@jaykay6387]

More videos like this, please! Hendrix over Clapton, that's an easy one. At the end of the day, Clapton is just a blues player(who had some amazing moments), but Hendrix was transcendent, he had an indefinable element to his playing style and wrote some incredible songs. DSOTM vs. Sgt. Peppers, I like DS better but Sgt. Pepper was one of those "before and after" lines of demarcation in rock. And I'll take Eddie over Sting every time!

[@robmorrison1043]

Correct, Clapton vs Henderson is noy close. Clapton is in another stratosphere. In terms of phrasing, tone, building solos, rythem playing and musicianship, Clapton is on another level. You talk about song writting? Layla, Bell bottom blues, Wonderful tonight, Old Love, Lay

[@whipshinedetailing]

Ten Years Gone is my all time favorite song, Led Zeppelin or otherwise. A song that hits a part of me that no other song does.

[@rafaelaugustodantasmota5427]

awesome video rick, rhett and dave made great questions and was really good to hear your thoughts

[@songsmithy07]

The fact that all 3 of you readily admitted that DG has an amazing voice, and none of you said that about PT gives weight to the assertion that PT is the more under rated singer. I mean, PT is also an amazing singer, but the closest any of you got to saying so was that he could, "hold his own." If you really consider who is under rated, I would argue for Pete, because all 3 of you just under rated him ✌😎

[@philcig]

100%

[@garthleckey9797]

What you got right: Everything. What you got wrong: Everything. Great to see such lively debate, and I agreed with 80% of your calls.

[@williamross2579]

These discussions can only be solved in one fashion …. FIIIIIIIIGHT

[@cyberserk5614]

That's how one of them broke his arm "Guys, guys there MUST be another way!"

[@ronnelson7828]

@@cyberserk5614 Food Fight!!!!!!

[@janso7979]

@@cyberserk5614 Funny how I hadn't even noticed his broken arm until you mentioned it.

[@stevengifford7457]

Thunderdome

[@cyberserk5614]

@@janso7979 to be fair, he probably injured his arm when trying to play "Money is for nothing"😏

[@mytandasouder4485]

This was so much fun guys! I'm gonna go with 10 years gone!