Better Riding - improve your cornering

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Күн бұрын

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@harrygooch834
@harrygooch834 3 күн бұрын
I got my knee down once. Unfortunately it was followed by the rest of my body and my bike.
@patchthesinclair5896
@patchthesinclair5896 3 күн бұрын
Not afraid to tell us though 👍😐
@Morbeyn
@Morbeyn 3 күн бұрын
Damn clibbins, eh?
@bennettsbikesocial
@bennettsbikesocial 3 күн бұрын
Oh no, hope you and the he bike were ok. I assume the knee down was unplanned!
@_JimmyBeGood
@_JimmyBeGood 19 сағат бұрын
😂😂😂 Sorry that was funny. Hope it wasn’t a serious rash.
@rratedmotorcyclerides
@rratedmotorcyclerides 2 күн бұрын
I really liked the idea of thinking about a safety bubble, it makes riding more proactive than reactive. A side note, being 60 y/o, this year I sold my GSXR750 for a Hornet750 and love the balance of handling/power, its really enjoyable.
@juliemcgillivray3394
@juliemcgillivray3394 2 күн бұрын
Thanks for the excellent training video and a wonderful instructor!
@tammycooke5294
@tammycooke5294 2 күн бұрын
I've done ROSPA training which I found so valuable in my motorcycle riding. For right hand bends - I go in to position one as much as possible and on left hand bends I use position three. This I have found keeps me away from potential hazards and also gives me a much better view of the bend and road ahead. Great video, thanks
@Cowelly84
@Cowelly84 15 сағат бұрын
ROSPA and IAM are great. The only issue with position 3 on a left bend, is if a lorry or large vehicle comes round the bend slightly over the white line, its not a safe place to be.
@sealteam6319
@sealteam6319 Күн бұрын
Knowledge & vision of the road & road surface determines how I ride. The more knowledge & vision I have, the more I ride in a “fun” manner
@coreydoody1806
@coreydoody1806 3 сағат бұрын
Some great advice. Thank you 🙏
@trdpro2grfks
@trdpro2grfks 2 күн бұрын
The single biggest lesson from every lesson. Is smoothness and in the moment inputs. Don’t upset. Don’t tip. Abrupt. Unbalance. Force the tire, suspension driveline etc. Smooth really is fast. But it’s also smart. And safe.
@MichaelPhillips-wf9nc
@MichaelPhillips-wf9nc 3 күн бұрын
Brilliant video thank you very much 👍
@bennettsbikesocial
@bennettsbikesocial 3 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@michaelwatts224
@michaelwatts224 3 күн бұрын
What a great video! Cheers
@bennettsbikesocial
@bennettsbikesocial 3 күн бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@Grahamvfr
@Grahamvfr 3 күн бұрын
Great point at 12 mins, a lot of new riders are uncomfortable with moving from brakes to neutral throttle (often due to other yt positive throttle advice), but it is often the key to a safe smooth exit, particularly on unknown bends. Great diagram 👍😊.
@05gt99
@05gt99 Күн бұрын
Thanks Gents, very helpful, I like the concept/ system of the dynamic safety bubble.
@bennettsbikesocial
@bennettsbikesocial Күн бұрын
@@05gt99 Thanks! There’s a more detailed look at that in the next episode.
@ziff455
@ziff455 2 күн бұрын
Wonderful video and instructions! Easy to follow. I would like to see the same thing but with an inner corner (from the motorcyclists view). I have had more problems with cars trying to cut through corners than running wide. Cheers!
@Morbeyn
@Morbeyn 3 күн бұрын
Best improvement I saw in my cornering confidence was getting the suspension dialled in correctly (in my case, new springs suitable for the load). You will never be confident in the bends if the front dives under braking or the wheels skip over every pothole because the suspension isn’t right. Definitely putting that traffic light awareness system in place on my rides.
@bennettsbikesocial
@bennettsbikesocial 3 күн бұрын
Good point, thanks for sharing.
@johnnyblue4799
@johnnyblue4799 3 күн бұрын
Dumbfounding how many riders would spend big money on an aftermarket exhaust, but don't invest in a much cheaper and much needed suspension setup.
@niall5181
@niall5181 2 күн бұрын
As a newbie motorcycle rider passed test in may at 57 yrs old.. you mention trail braking in the video .. I was never taught this what is it and should I be using it as a new rider….also find right hand bends harder than left ..
@bennettsbikesocial
@bennettsbikesocial 2 күн бұрын
@@niall5181 hi, thanks for the comment and congrats on passing your test and becoming a member of the greatest club in the world! We’ll be running through trail braking in a forthcoming episode using both the front and/or rear brakes. I also find rights less natural than lefts, I think that’s because the throttle is on the right side of the bike and there’s a slight increase in pressure on that side of the handlebar, or because there’s oncoming traffic to occupy the eyes and brain. Give yourself more space by moving into a position where you can maximise you view around or through the corner, and let us know how you get on. Cheers, Michael
@niall5181
@niall5181 2 күн бұрын
Thanks for the advice much appreciated 👍
@brianglendenning1632
@brianglendenning1632 3 күн бұрын
Irish’s accent is becoming more Australian over time!
@peterwoodham769
@peterwoodham769 3 күн бұрын
In the UK line one is almost unusable so you are left with 2 & 3 if a car comes 2 only.
@andigorani
@andigorani 2 күн бұрын
I passed my test 6 weeks ago and bought my first bike (bmw f900r) and the confidence I've gained is crazy, it's all about belief. I know the bike has amazingly good abs/dtc that I just lean it over and be done with it. But in the rain, I'm very very cautious, I can't help it in the rain 😂
@bradleymorgan2646
@bradleymorgan2646 2 күн бұрын
Anyone who lacks confidence or wants to improve their riding should seek to jump on a FREE bikesafe course run by many local police forces or fire service.
@j.t.jaeger1595
@j.t.jaeger1595 Күн бұрын
Definitely not free but yes, worthwhile course.
@digitalpixshb
@digitalpixshb 3 күн бұрын
Great info .
@bennettsbikesocial
@bennettsbikesocial 3 күн бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@jefflambert8603
@jefflambert8603 3 күн бұрын
Informative Video..some Times Potholes will Force you off the Optimum Line on the Road
@bennettsbikesocial
@bennettsbikesocial 3 күн бұрын
You’re absolutely right, there’s a drain cover just after the apex on a corner on one of my favourite roads which I’m always conscious of, so I therefore take an unusual line but it could be more of an issue to an advanced (confident) rider on that road for the first time.
@brianglendenning1632
@brianglendenning1632 3 күн бұрын
@@bennettsbikesocialsimilar here in NSW Australia. We had a period of prolonged rain a year of so ago - one of the wettest spring and summers I can recall. Result was the rural road where we motorcyclists like to ride became heavily potholed, and the local councils struggled to keep up and often resorted to patching that left grit on the road. While bikes could dodge that, cars and trucks were doing likewise and it was common to have cars partly on the wrong side of the road as they tried to avoid another buckled wheel. Lots of risks, but in some ways the challenges the roads presented meant you had to focus on the best line available, and a huge part of that was keeping your eyes up and looking at the line you needed to follow, not looking at the hazards you were avoiding. The forced practising of those skills means that even though the condition of the same roads has improved line selection and hazard avoidance is improved. MotoDNa track days were part of my training, and the skills Irish and his team taught me have been invaluable.
@garymorgan628
@garymorgan628 2 күн бұрын
Ride defensively ,ride smoothly and know your own limits . You cant buy experience and nothing beats it imo ,i know if i spent as much time on two wheels as i do on four i would be a much better rider 🙄
@3GingerCats
@3GingerCats 2 күн бұрын
I brought a Brad New Suzuki V-strom 250SX 4 months ago, and the lack of grip scared the hell out of me & made it very difficult to corner... people kept saying "there's a lot more grip than you think there is" No there wasn't, there was NO grip at all! and Getting a puncture was the best thing that could have happened! after the puncture I replaced the MRF tyre on the rear with a Pirelli MT60, and noticed the difference in grip immediately, and without the progressive slip in the rear, I could feel it much more in the front! So as one does, I replaced the front tyre with a matching Pirelli MT60. and now that I actually have some grip, I can push it hard enough to get heat into them and find the rest of the grip. the difference between how Dangerously slippery the MRF tyres are, and how well the Pirelli tyre stick is night and day. and I can't imagine that the 80/20 biased Mt60 is exactly the grippiest tyre, Most people have probably always had more grip than these can provide! so before you tell someone to trust their tyres, take their bike for a ride and see just how bad those tyres really are! those MRF's are dangerous, and there is a reason people can't lean on them... they slide even with the slightest load, it progressively gets worse and always feel like they are right at the edge of the limit. and the fact I have tested it, means I can give the truth about stopping distance (a measure of grip) at 40km/h (the maximum speed inside the roped off area) I found that with the ABS going nuts, the stopping distance was the same as just using the front brake without setting off the ABS, and using both brakes without setting the ABS off was 2 metres shorter than the ABS or front only distance... Now switching to the Pirellis, the ABS was harder to get to kick in, so the bike started lifting the rear wheel off the ground and stopped in literally 1/2 the distance the ABS could stop it in (with the rear tyre not even on the ground!) (6 meters compared to the 12 of the MRF's with the ABS going mental) so the Pirelli literally has twice the grip of the MRF... and it's not even a high end tyre! it just shows exactly how bad the MRF is! The result of having so much more grip, is I can actually start to learn how to use the tyres to my advantage, and alter my riding position to fine tune the grip and handling, actually start to use brakes and or throttle in and out of the corners (I found myself riding the Baby ADV like it was a SuperMoto today, and this is a big change, not just for me, but for how the bike responds, It would not have been possible with the old tyres!) riding ability cannot improve without the grip already being there, you need to have grip to be able to learn how to use it!
@RussRyan7713
@RussRyan7713 2 күн бұрын
OE tyres are just "ok". It seems odd to spend all the money on a new bike and the pay out again to replace the tyres. I returned to riding after 30 years and a new CBR650R which came on Dunlop Roadsport 2 OE tyres. While i was getting used to the new biike and be cautious they were "fine". Once I push a little they were not great, felt little slips and tramlined on any type of road surface defect. I replaced them after 2500 miles with Michelin Road 6s. WOW what a difference. The bike drops into a corner so much faster, doesnt tramline at all and the confidence they give has made it a completely different bike. I highly recommended anyone to replace their tyres with a good brand as soon as they can afford to. I know when I buy my next bike I will have the dealer replace the tyres before I even pick it up.
@philbarrett3739
@philbarrett3739 3 күн бұрын
Now throw in some blind crests, potholes and drain covers and that corner will represent the UK roads.
@virupakshawalla5734
@virupakshawalla5734 3 күн бұрын
Add sand pedestrian cows carts buses overtaking buses on blind corners meeting you monkeys hugeeee potholes dogs rice out to be thrashed by vehicles goats drunk people apexing on wrong side of road etc etc yiur in India 😂
@kenbowlus2995
@kenbowlus2995 2 күн бұрын
@@virupakshawalla5734 Your English is good, but learn when to use a comma.
@virupakshawalla5734
@virupakshawalla5734 2 күн бұрын
@kenbowlus2995 lol. Punctuation? Thay, is, for, losers
@PodRob-x9m
@PodRob-x9m Күн бұрын
Went all the way to Australia to speak to someone from Northern Ireland
@rcraven1013
@rcraven1013 Күн бұрын
At 8.00 onwards with your diagram you show the bike slowing and turning ie leaning towards the apex and into the bend proper and and to the limit of your tyres grip with perhaps a slide or two????. Then after the apex acceleration which with some bikers can means too much acceleration whilst the bike is still at its maximum lean angle. Thats the point when you come off the brake, causing the bikes front suspension to relax and lift the front end and at the same time twist the wrist, possibly resulting in the loss of rear end grip and thus a high side. Nice one for anyone wanting to go the racing line round a corner but dismissing all of the safety features and advantages of a slow, press, lean and roll through a bend the safer way forwards.
@bennettsbikesocial
@bennettsbikesocial Күн бұрын
@@rcraven1013 Roll the video on a bit and you’ll see that while we’ve given you the racing line (specifically to emphasise the level of grip and how suspension compression can help), we’ve also given you the road riding line.
@SSS-mp8th
@SSS-mp8th 3 күн бұрын
Here's the thing I'd like to know and what probably most people run into. You are coming into a turn and you realize it's tighter than you thought so you are carrying more speed than your current lean angle can handle. What do you do? Is it essentially you need just lean it over until you hit the pedal blob and pray?
@bennettsbikesocial
@bennettsbikesocial 3 күн бұрын
Mark is best placed to answer this specific question example but I’d certainly be cranking the bike over more and likely to be rolling off the throttle too. But the key to most of what we talk about on this and other episodes is practicing the right things until it becomes muscle memory which in turn could save you in an emergency situation. If a car pulls out on you and you’ve practiced emergency braking and understood the potency and potential of your bike’s brakes as well as the tyre grip then that could be a life saver. Cheers, Michael
@TheItalianZone
@TheItalianZone 3 күн бұрын
Obviously prevention is worth 1000 times the cure, the best thing to prevent these situations in the first place is to get your vision out and scanning back and forth as you ride, prioritize exits and enter at a speed that you feel comfortable with. Now if you are in that situation the best thing to do is to go to the brakes so that you can tighten the radius of your line, it can be a little of back brake, a little of front brake....just realize the more lean angle you are carrying the less you can take advantage of the brakes, so be gentle and apply the brakes gradually and build pressure rapidly as you take away some lean angle. The key is to practice braking while leaned over, you can go to a big empty lot and go in a circle at whatever speed you want and practice applying the brakes, you will see how your circle gets smaller as you apply the brakes. You can try applying more gas and notice how it makes the circle bigger.
@Az_Rides
@Az_Rides 2 күн бұрын
Look up trail braking
@bhok1971
@bhok1971 2 күн бұрын
You just apply gradual brake pressure
@rcraven1013
@rcraven1013 2 күн бұрын
@@Az_Rides Bugger trail braking that's taught to pupils in the USA that use the performance line round bends and they do a lot more training on racing circuits than we do. For performance read racing line. If you do it the UK way of slow press lean and roll then taking into account that you will be at the correct speed for that bend ie your limit point is now static and you are following it at that same distance and follow it all the way round so that at any time you may need to brake and in that distance that you can see to be clear. Then everything is ok. Go in too fast, too soon or too late as with the racing line then its already too late.
@jadonx
@jadonx 23 сағат бұрын
Taught to look in direction your going when cornering but it must be hard to not look at a car drifting into your lane!
@steve00alt70
@steve00alt70 2 күн бұрын
About grip, why do alot of riders use topboxes if they reduce the load on the front tyre (which is where u need it most) and put most of the weight on the rear? Or does the reduce front grip only happen if the topbox is behind the rear axle not on top of the axle? Potholes will affect and mess up all your pre planning on the bend.
@EvanBates-k3m
@EvanBates-k3m 2 күн бұрын
On the road diagram around 12 minutes in, where would you downshift - I'm assuming before the initial braking phase? Police roadcraft book though says to get to correct corner entry speed and then select the appropriate gear
2 күн бұрын
I know a girl went from Anchorage through the Yukon at the start of winter on knobbly tyres...............on a CBR 600😵‍💫😵
@3GingerCats
@3GingerCats 2 күн бұрын
when people talk about lane position, what are they using as the measuring point? the contact patch(s) or the riders head? because If the tyres are in position 3... so is the riders head (of the opposite lane!)
@chrisowens3781
@chrisowens3781 2 күн бұрын
Tyres if your in position 1 on a right hand bend your heads will be in position 2ish And if your tyres in position 3 for left hand bends your heads in position 2ish your head should never be over the white lines.
@brendanmccabe8769
@brendanmccabe8769 2 күн бұрын
I’m sure your man’s a really top bloke and very capable and all that but when an example of motorcycle training starts with “In racing.......” I must admit I start to turn off. If your at the point where you want to learn how to pull 1.5G you should probably be good to go cornering on the road but the kind of issues you’ll meet an the road are totally different. I’m not trying to be a MGP rider so I think I’ll look elsewhere.
@ronlysons6750
@ronlysons6750 Күн бұрын
I agree, track and Road are chalk and cheese.
@bennettsbikesocial
@bennettsbikesocial 13 сағат бұрын
That's a shame because if you watch it through you'll understand how the racing analogies are there to help road riders understand the physics (because the extremes in racing amplify the effects of what can be subtle nuances on the road). You'll also see how the understanding of the physics then helps road riders to progress because they can understand what is happening to their bikes in a les extreme way when they corner. Seriously, give it a go and watch right through to the end, you might be pleasantly surprised.
@brendanmccabe8769
@brendanmccabe8769 12 сағат бұрын
@ maybe but with modern tyres lack of grip on a decent surface is way down the list of things to worry about IMO and focusing on trying to corner at 1G is probably more likely to be a cause of an off than save you from one on the road.
@WilliamWBG
@WilliamWBG 2 күн бұрын
Unfortunately,……… his voice = fingernails on a blackboard And I love an accent from down under but this is 😬
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