Better Than The F-16 At One Important Thing: JA37D (War Thunder)

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[@exoterminator6995]

Gaijin held back on the JA37C's loadouts because of balance during the tomcats' reign. Then instead of giving it everything it was supposed to have, they literally copy pasted it to rank 8 then added the loadout. But then renamed it to the upgrade and didn't actually add in any part of the upgrade the 37D got. so now you have to grind an extra 400k rp just to get the JA37C in its full capacity. Oh and you have to grind the entire Finnish line and get the Mig 21bis, or cough up $70 for the J35XS

[@tomi9562]

The Finnish line was just awful

[@thatt3449]

​@@tomi9562 But it will get the f18 eventually

[@Arthion]

It still fascinates me that the RM8 is basically a modified civilian JT8D engine with an afterburner and strengthened components. Apparently there weren't many military turbofans on the market when it was being designed and the advantages in short take-off and better cruising fuel economy were that important.

[@collander7766]

And the J8TD engine was a modification of the J52 engine, used on the A-6 Intruder an A-4 Skyhawk. This engine has seen it all: from Skyhawks, to Boeing 727s, to the Viggen!

[@s_ziel]

the viggen should be the fastest top tier right now. in dcs the ajs 37 (with the weaker engine) reaches mach 1.3 at ground level while the mig 29 reaches 1.25, the difference should be that the viggen has lower thrust to weight so less low speed acceleration but it was simply made for high speed at low level, at those speeds it has less drag than the mig 29.

[@yesyes-om1po]

I don't really see how the viggen could have lower drag than the mig 29, especially not with those canards.

[@asukahasegawa]

@@yesyes-om1po intakes do a lot more than you'd think in terms of drag, and the fulcrum has some real girthy ones

[@Anon-yi9yn]

Same with the Tornado. It's not fast as it should be at low level flight

[@K_GHOST225]

In DCS the Mirage 2000 out-rates every gen4 fighter to ever exist. DCS is not the performance benchmark for other games, as DCS itself is hardly realistic.

[@ValentineC137]

@@K_GHOST225 I trust DCS over WT

[@jfv2312]

Sweden definitely has a good future ahead for tier 7 and 8... AMRAAMs for this plane, AJS37, early versions of the Gripen, maybe some more versions of the J35... Hype

[@bigmcjones230]

I simply do not see a future where AMRAAMs are a fun and healthy addition to this game.

[@jfv2312]

@@bigmcjones230 me neither, from a balance and fun point of view. But ever since we got 3rd Gen fighters with BVR weapons, it became inevitable. The only possible balance achievable with active radar missiles in this game means every nation having comparable weapons, and Sweden is in a good position, that's more what I meant

[@zahnatom]

we aint seein shit for a long while. the 37D shouldn't have been added and gaijin should have upgraded the 37C instead. the 37D's one big thing was the AIM-120B so why introduce the 37D now? AJS 37 would be nice, Early versions of the Gripen could already be added and more version of the J 35? no thanks. all of the swedish ones lacked RWR and countermeasures so we'd need something like the Austrian 35OE for it to be competitive.

[@jfv2312]

@@zahnatom I mean, it's easy to see the current 37D is a placeholder until AMRAAMs are in the game, I'm sure it'll get them the second they're added to the game. When that happens the 37C should be updated with Rb74, etc

[@zahnatom]

​@@jfv2312 but why bother adding it now? its painfully obvious how gaijin added this to sell the J 35XS. they didnt even bother changing anything about it. it gets the same cockpit in game, still gets an airbrake and just overall is an exact copy paste. they never cared about sweden getting something better, it was always about adding a rank 8 so that they can sell a rank 7.

[@ThaiLitzki]

Why I love the JA37D is not only because I'm swedish BUTT! The survivability with so many flares/chaffs, I can be one of the best wingman one can wish for in a squad since I can just fend of missiles the whole game and people act like mindless zombies when they see a plane flying under them. I learned you ear a shit ton more RP for just winning with one kill OR EVEN 5 ground targets than getting three kills and lose.

[@blueflame6237]

the viggen has so many flares to compensate for forcing you swedish mains to suffer through all the other planes that have none.

[@ThaiLitzki]

@@blueflame6237 It's like it was almost worth it :')

[@NineSeptims]

had entire enemy team following me I just dumped flares the whole time as they kept teamkilling each other it was so good

[@Mike-xg3bk]

Me: wants more viggen 2.0 vids. Spit flyer like 2 h later: truly a saint

[@vincentsept8433]

I still feel like the AJS37, an AJ37 with realistic loadouts and hardpoints or a JA37C with realistic loadouts would've been much more welcome additions than this thing that is now the third viggen that is a nerfed version of it's real life representative to keep it balanced in the current meta of the game. to eleborate a bit more: -The AJ37 was had a total of 6 hardpoints, not 4 like we have it in game and it was also able to carry RB75s on all of those 6 hardpoints, not on only 2 like in game. -The JA37C was equipped with RB74s/Aim9Ls, instead of the RB24J/Aim9J we have in game -The JA37D was able to carry the RB99/Aim120 AMRAAM missile (this will likely be added in the future tho) -> I'm not saying the AMRAAMs should be added right now or that all viggens should just get a free upgrade with no increase in BR but instead I think it's just dissapointing to see that literally every viggen in game doesn't equal it's real life counterpart and instead of fixing these "old" aircraft, that now could very well have realistic loadouts without destroying meta, we keep getting more unrealistic crap.

[@marksmith2402]

Also don't forget their radars in the game are hugely nerfed. They could track far better and multiple targets simultaneously. The radar in game is a constant source of pain getting tripped up on everything from a stray chaff, mountain ridge in the distance, or a damn cloud off to the side.

[@shaggings]

Also JA37C carried the exact same amount of countermeasures as the D. But Gaijin is....what it is. Both should also only be able to carry 48 flares and the rest be chaff.

[@zahnatom]

@@shaggings not necessarily. there is no proof that Sweden used the BOL-IR countermeasures but it will technically be compatible because its the same as a chaff packet

[@brunobegic3841]

My favorite thing about the Viggen is the cannon believe it or not. Yes, it lacks tracers but it's actually not that hard to aim once you realize that the velocity is pretty much the same as the Vulcan. Just make sure you use ground belts since they are faster and hit harder than air belts. In most cases you only need one hit to kill a guy unless it's an Su-25 in which case you'll need 2 or 3.

[@jonadolfsson7777]

Good to see that the castrated Viggens still keep up with other planes!

[@Doggo448]

It would be awesome to see a video on one of the phantoms. Especially the insane power creep that they have to face.

[@Spitflyer]

That’s on the list to do

[@evo3s75]

if you want to see powercreep, pick the F-4F! insane that it's still 11.0 and gaijin still refuses to give it it's historical 9L's

[@nanocompa2411]

Love the way you use words! He brought his braincells today and rubbing those two together is gonna give him… death anyway. Cracked me up

[@Spitflyer]

I’ve been trying to be a bit more creative with words. Thanks :)

[@AiRbU380]

I love your type of vids!!!

[@norske_ow3440]

The “similarities to the zero” is a very good point. In the aj37 I play it almost the same way as the zero when I’m out of missiles, and that bait and switch play style works really well

[@aleski6506]

Bad point

[@norske_ow3440]

@@aleski6506 leave

[@callsignmaui6565]

I really enjoy War Thunder players obsessions with "fighting speeds". I've seen a lot of people complaining about the F16s "low speed" performance as though it's new to War Thunder. As if the Phantom and the Tomcat don't have subsonic corner speeds lmao. I think the tactics that players employ have been sort of lagging behind the technological advancements, just as they did in real life, which is always entertaining to witness.

[@flavortown3781]

Literally this, at this point WT is still a gun fight with missiles in RB anyway, it's better in sim but not much

[@Bud_Weedmin]

Dude i feel the same, would love to know how u have your radar and missile controls and maybe even an explanation, i cant figure it out for the life of me

[@fivedollarsfifty1804]

the only drawbakc with the viggen is how large and heavy it is and teh enermous engine it has making it burn fuel like a plane with 2 engines

[@bobdole6768]

skyflashes feel like total shit after using aim7fs, i've got kills firing from 20km+ on people who are maneuvering well and spamming chaff (though i was at like mach 1.2 and 10000m when i fired. Skyflashes rarely kill anyone further than 5km and 10km is about the limit.

[@nicojokelin5547]

7f has a tendency to hit even if you lose the radar lock

[@BigZ-il5hg]

Bro i swear i was thinking this that i haven't seen a video form you in a while boom here we are

[@peanutraider8654]

3:08 the E2s can be nasty sometimes, the FGs are kinda fun with the Skyflash as it’s this but tracks slightly better, being able to get away with ridiculous head on kills is pretty funny sometimes. Gotta take the small wins at top tier.

[@roempoetliar7995]

it really is similar to zero *flashback to a few years ago, ptsd getting played by 2 really skilled mustang pilots cannot retaliate whatsoever just dodging them

[@AttiliusRex]

havent seen the vid yet but can say that the thrust reverser is a gamechanger on the battlefield and in the skies, this is why the viggen is the best jet in war thunder.

[@norske_ow3440]

You can’t use the thrust reverse in air…

[@AttiliusRex]

@@norske_ow3440 thats what makes it so great, Pretty sure the viggen would crash if it wasn't for the thrust reverser being interkocked by a weight limit switch on the landing gear

[@Ziflin]

Hope you’re doing well spit

[@AWACSR3D]

If there’s one thing that puzzles me it’s the counter measure count, how did we go from 90, 72, and 64 to just being flat 60? Shouldn’t modern aircraft have higher countermeasure count? I understand if it’s balancing but we have aircraft in the game with 200+ counter measures I’m sure the GR.7 Harrier has like 700+ counter measures.

[@plazmaflare5199]

Like why are lower br aircraft bringing way more than higher ones it's crazy

[@evangalinsky2499]

Because most don't actually carry that many CM's. At least on their early models. Late block F-16C models have more CM's than any of the F-16A models. Same goes for the F-15E over the 15A. That's not to say it's 100+ but more is more.

[@plazmaflare5199]

@@evangalinsky2499 That may be however gaiijin doesnt always care about stuff like that and will just add shit onto aircraft that they never carried so it's just a little odd to see.

[@evangalinsky2499]

@@plazmaflare5199 well, yeah... When it comes to overpowered weapons and shit that would power creep the game too hard/fast. Not countermeasures (with like one exception, ahem, F-5A and F-5C in the US trees 👀)

[@plazmaflare5199]

@@evangalinsky2499 again gaijin really likes to add things onto aircraft that they didnt carry lol, they really should remove cm from those and the av-8a or whatever the american prem was since it didnt come with them and then with the cm on it it's just better than the other harriers it came with, with other aircraft i tend to forget cuz not as many of em get played

[@jakobmax3299]

Gah im also grinding for it. Paaaaaaaiiiin. I still need to buy the finnish vampire, the j34 and unlock the aj37 and mig21bis.

[@EnhancedCognition]

that should take you a good month or two ...

[@Panuch412]

Had to do this grind but unlocked last week. Pain is absoloutely right, I am sorry for you.

[@95Karlsson]

I feel you bro. I rarely pay for anything in WT but last week I caved and got myself a week of premium to grind out the Hunter, the MIG and the JA37D. 😅

[@balthasargelt4075]

Nothing added in the coming future will be strong enough to compete in the Swedish tree tho

[@singularfish]

We'll suffer together Jakob. We got this.

[@tunnelrat11]

Can we get a video on f4j phantom 2 with its new hmd and upgrades❤

[@mariogallant1178]

Well spit i can tell you where i wasnt looking.

[@aescobar32]

great videos but damn, you can turn off steam notifications for friends playing games

[@freddiejohames8332]

Can we have a vid about the phantoms plz?

[@samuelrojasdominguez8535]

Dam it burns a lot of fuel ⛽️

[@rt-eden8392]

is your viggen PD radar also easily chaffed in headons? its very wierd

[@Texas_Engineer_Mike]

I noticed the same thing in my F-16

[@rt-eden8392]

@@Texas_Engineer_Mike same

[@rt-eden8392]

@@Texas_Engineer_Mike there is a bug rep for it

[@zahnatom]

yeah it goes for chaff like its not a pulse doppler.

[@Blazy-DK]

Slowest plain of 11.7 ''f4 kai Phantom II''

[@lovethegame0204]

First?! Thanks for all the great vids Spit!

[@Spitflyer]

Glad you like them!

[@havensam2716]

how long would you say the grind is?

[@Spitflyer]

Never ending lol

[@patrickhandler16]

how you can switch the rockets

[@Sneppydeppy]

AINT no way the F16 and MIG 29 were 6 months ago 😂

[@ODST_Parker]

This is a very strange process for me. I've never been part of the top-tier grind for a new update before. I had my F-104S ASA spaded, eagerly awaiting a fighter or at least the Tornado to grind. Got both, but I'm still about 100k RP away from the F-16A. Don't have all day to grind or the money to blow on buying RP conversion, so... here I am. I've watched, listen, and played my way through this grind, and it's fucking depressing. Started out as something like the F-16A and MiG-29S being considered somewhat overpowered. Then it shifted to them being underwhelming. Now, it's almost as if they're quite shit against many other things at top-tier. I know that's not the case, but the community is so fluid when it comes to praise or scorn for new vehicles that it's hard to tell what's true and what's just personal experience or bias. All the while, I'm just sitting here in my F-104, mindlessly grinding away against people who bought their 11.7s and paid for the modifications, people who sat down for entire fucking days after the patch and grinded them all out, and people who have been playing top-tier for years with far more experience than I'll ever get. Honestly, the higher you get in this game, the worse it gets.

[@flavortown3781]

I implore you, get a hotas, play some sim. The community is much less toxic.

[@ODST_Parker]

@@flavortown3781 I wouldn't touch Sim for any reason. I want a simple game, nothing more.

[@flavortown3781]

@@ODST_Parker sim isn't that complicated

[@ODST_Parker]

@@flavortown3781 I don't enjoy playing from the cockpit or having realistic flight controls. I want a game, not a simulator.

[@SigfredBarfod]

Get into sim man, the game transforms into something so enjoyable. It's not a simulator, still just a unrealistic game, but more fun.

[@ossie9668]

Is there a spit flyer squadron

[@Spitflyer]

Yes they are NIGEL, N2GEL and N3GEL

[@demonicleek1378]

Play Saab 105 it’s actually crazy in the new matchmaker for some reason

[@DeckerdBR]

Ohh the poor mig and F16. Try being in the Tornado is this meta. :/ Nice vid though.

[@MrAnt69_]

Hopefully when the Tornado ADV comes to game it should be better

[@DeckerdBR]

@@MrAnt69_ yeah, I hope so. But it sucks for anyone who went to the effort of grinding the GR1, when the harrier GR7 is just better in nearly every other way.

[@derkaiser9881]

Tornado IDS in the TT was the biggest waste of time. Grinding that shit just to realize it's absolutely dog water. At least the F-104G was somewhat enjoyable at 10.7.

[@MrAnt69_]

@@DeckerdBR that's true, I know that pain

[@MrAnt69_]

@@derkaiser9881 I think it was added to the game too late

[@matbtz_wt9618]

Fun fact the aircraft is nerfed bc 11800kgf and not 13000kgf

[@Kriss_gaming_hole]

When I told the Bulgarian ministry of defence to consider the viggen they called me mad.

[@Spitflyer]

Tbh the MiG-29 and F-16 are excellent picks as well

[@Kriss_gaming_hole]

@@Spitflyer we already have mig 29s in our airforce and we plan on swapping them with f-16s for some reason. ,,Ah yes let's get a new jet rather than modernizing the one's we have."- Bulgarian Ministry Of Defense probablly.

[@bpomowe224]

@@Kriss_gaming_hole Age has a cost too, sooner or later you hit the point where restoring and upgrading is more expensive than replacing with new stuff.

[@mintman825]

Sweden wouldnt export the viggen so it makes sense

[@bpomowe224]

@@mintman825 Sweden tried to export them, but USA blocked it by refusing licences for the engines.

[@Elbereth_TV]

RB71s are skyflashes not sparrows

[@Spitflyer]

In wt the skyflash is basically the same as the aim-7E2. iirc irl the only difference is electronics

[@HighRiskV]

I never flown the viggens but I managed to consistently kill them on a 1v1 dogfight with a F8 crusader even when they start at an considerable advantage. I think they are a bit overtiered because they are horrible dogfighters if you force a 2 circle fight

[@evangalinsky2499]

No shit, as with literally every delta wing expect the J-7E.

[@HighRiskV]

@@evangalinsky2499 don't forget the mirage2k, although the j7e is not a true delta wing

[@evangalinsky2499]

@@HighRiskV yes it is, it's a tailed double delta. The regular 21's are tailed deltas. Just because it has a tail doesn't mean it's not a delta wing, it's literally called a tailed delta, or in this case a tailed double delta. Also the M2KC doesn't hold energy nearly as well as the J-7E. It's still very good for a delta but the J-7E is fucking cracked.

[@niggalini]

They aren't overtired, these ppl are misusing their plane and fighting to your strength.

[@HighRiskV]

@@niggalini nah, all I did is avoid their nose when they still have energy to 1 circle me while i keep speed and give them a false sense of easy angles to shoot, after some passes I can force the 2 circle

[@connormoylan2466]

The F16 and mig 29 have fantastic nose authority, have you even played them

[@evangalinsky2499]

No, they have good nose authority, not great/fantastic, and only at low speed. Plus, the 29 has was more authority than the 16. Also, just to be clear by "nose authority" he means instantaneous turn rate and AoA. Both of which the 16 lacks quite severely. That's the way it should be tho, the 16 until the C models didn't have very good instantaneous turn rate and even on the C models its AoA isn't very high, it's not meant to be, it's not meant to fight that way.

[@connormoylan2466]

I know what nose authority is, and that's simply not true, manage the after burner and rudder below 800km then open up the air brake and you can do whatever you want, yes they suffer at above mach but only in turn radius, and even then there arent many planes at any tier that can remain above mach after first turn, I'm just not understanding the bad wrap when atleast I personally haven't expirianced the same problems everybody else is and that's mostly because i go 0 throttle at the beginning and do as mentioned above and i can and have out flew everything i fight exept missiles, now theres a question of pilot skill on the enemy's part but it's fairly consistent

[@evangalinsky2499]

@@connormoylan2466 you clearly did not properly read my comment so I'm not going to reply for now. Let me know when you finish reading please. I saw "800 km" (it's km/h btw) and instantly knew you didn't properly read, I clearly said slow/low speed at least once.

[@connormoylan2466]

Yep and I mentioned the suffering at above mach witch is fixable, there may still be something I misunderstand but I dont think it suffers as badly as the reputation it's got

[@younghan5393]

5:53 AHHAHA GOOD JOKE 😂

[@balthasargelt4075]

It barely makes the 5th spot in a top 5

[@keymind117]

Wrong

[@balthasargelt4075]

@@keymind117 You got the F-14, F-16, Mig-29, MLD and Mirage 2000, maybe it competes with the last one but barely...

[@keymind117]

@Balthasar Gelt I think with its loadout and nose-authority, it is definitely placed above the MLD and Mirage. I would argue in many ways it's even more viable than the F-16. I have the F-16, and it struggles against jets it would dominate IRL. It is limited and gimped to a level it should not be within War Thunder. If Gaijin allows it to pull 1.5x the IRL G-limit like all the other fighters, then it will undeniably be top-dog.

[@zahnatom]

it doesnt even make the 5th spot.

[@balthasargelt4075]

@@keymind117 ye I don't think so, Viggen is mid at best in comparison to the top 5 and there won't be any better jets coming to the swedish tree that will be relevant in anyway...

[@jimmothyr6500]

Spitflyer fan club

[@gagogina]

hi

[@forgza9859]

Pog

[@HellXels]

yeah, looking at this footage it is not how aim9l performs now... 1 flare and it goes 180...

[@illegalaryan823]

since they nerfed Aim9L flare resistance the D is pretty much unusable anymore. i never die from a IR missile but I cant avoid the barrage of Aim7Fs and Aim7Ms

[@MrTheWaterbear]

If you know what a flare is, it’s extremely easy to defeat, energy-trap, and kill, a Viggen. I don’t fear this plane at all.

[@Akira556]

What if the player has more than 5 brain cells and avoid

[@Entrailraider]

Bruh average American main

[@MrTheWaterbear]

@@Entrailraider Typical Swede fanboy can’t make an original comment. Actually, I have every Swedish plane except the Finish line and the Viggen-D. I do look forward to getting the Viggen-D and having to run away all the time because the enemy players have one briancell and a better plane. Cope.

[@MrTheWaterbear]

@@Akira556 Avoid what? Avoid guns? When you’re energy-trapped in a dorito? What are you smoking?

[@balthasargelt4075]

@@Entrailraider lmao avg ikea fan not being able to cope with reality..., the gripen wont be relevant dude, hope you realize this...

[@pjbunnyru]

what can i see in your statistik k/d? mig29 138/66, f-16 128/51, f4ej 231/89 and ja37d 67/37. does so realy good swedish jet? ja37 is worst at 8 tier.

[@EnhancedCognition]

by that logic, (which is based on some statistics ill admit), would make the f4ej the best, which it obviously is not. At top tier, he said the Saab has mediocre acceleration, low top speed, bad energy bleed, but that it has 2 things going for it which is a high AoA (making it a good one turn dog fighter) and an excellent loadout with its extra large countermeasures and 6 missile loadout (4 Ls and 2 Sparrows). So play to its strengths and it should begin to excel.

[@Morfeusz1895]

And where Spit did claim it’s the best? Because I believe that he said everything but that. Also EJ Kai is already in game for more than year go taking it’s stats right now is just bad.

[@sherlocksinha2435]

@@EnhancedCognition Ever since supersonics were introduced pilot preferences and strategy have been a bigger factors than straight outright performance. A good example was the F4E vs Mig 21

[@pjbunnyru]

@@EnhancedCognition rb71 is mediocre rocket now. in general, 37D is in no way a competitor to mig 29 and f 16. all those missiles can have 37C. but gaijin wants players to open an unnecessary plane due to 9L missiles/

[@Spitflyer]

You forgot the F-14A with the highest KD of all of them (I’m out at the moment so just check the stat card)

[@zahnatom]

sorry but "incredibly powerful at 11.7" is just wrong

[@Entrailraider]

American main?

[@miquelescribanoivars5049]

This plane eats jets for breakfast.

[@sherlocksinha2435]

All jets at 11.7 and 11.3 bar the tornado and a few other jets are all dependent on pilot style rather than outright performance

[@balthasargelt4075]

Correct, its decent but lacks...

[@bigmcjones230]

​@@Entrailraider how does this even make sense

[@Dave-jv3th]

The F16 will cream the Viggen in a dogfight. The thrust on the F16 is enough to overwhelm the viggen in a dogfight in most scenarios

[@01freshman]

ben

[@firewhisperer]

The waffle house has found it's new host

[@bukhariez97]

mig 29 can win the game alone

[@falarius123]

bruh mig 29 in current meta is kinda trash. Dont get me wrong its not bad but other planes are just better

[@Ghost-tw7xw]

Says who? You get 2 fox 1s that work 70% of the time and 6 r60m that only gets kills when the enemies aren't looking..

[@bukhariez97]

I already proof it at my channel

[@Ghost-tw7xw]

@Bukhariez 1 game out of what? Because constantly going against f16 and f14 isn't going to guarantee a complete win no matter how good you are. The mig 29 is good, just not very consistent.

[@plazmaflare5199]

@@Ghost-tw7xw And the consistency really kills it ngl, r-60's will miss if the enemy throws a warm rock out the cockpit and the r-27er's just fuckin miss with a perfect lock so it takes 2 to kill 1 dude sometimes. Defyn or Spit whichever one said that the r-60m's were perfectly fine at top tier and esp on the mig-29 were out of their mind.

[@ja37d-34]

There should not be any performance upgrade - the Ds are upgraded Cs. There is no change to the engine.