BETTER THAN TIMELESS? Shuoer S12 & CCA CRA

[@NekoOkto]

It would probably be better to push a Discord than a Facebook group. Most people absolutely despise Facebook and don't use their services.

[@jb678901]

Haven't had a Facebook account in over 5 years. Cannot stand the kokzucker and the rest of its lackies.

[@DivinezTV]

i agree

[@TheRealL1R]

hate to necropost but from a purely privacy-respecting standpoint they are both just as bad and discord might even be worse, because -it logs every single key pressed -tencent has 30% share in the company iirc -deleted accounts are never deleted, they are stored on the servers along with all their messages etc -tencent is required to send all data back to the ccp

[@Heiwvwivs]

Bruh discord is worse

[@leonardlandicho7491]

IEMs are really getting good over the years

[@mensrea1251]

Thank chifi. They totally changed the game. Kilobuck level sound quality for a fraction of the price.

[@rigel8755]

For us average tunning enjoyers, it's getting better every year, but for Etymotic ultra neutral-boring sound signature crybaby fans, its only going downhill.

[@mensrea1251]

@@rigel8755 😂

[@phalanger1]

Yeah the progress has been amazing. I had taken a long hiatus from IEMs after the Sennheiser IE8 back in the day having given me the impression that IEMs really are only for when you don't have any other options. Bought the Timeless on a whim recently and boy have things changed. I now use them regularly instead of my large headphones and speakers just because its truely great sounding and has its own unique qualities.

[@samidanger3666]

IEM's get better every week 😅🤯

[@ernest4483]

Another great content review Timmy, I do have the S12 & so far I'm liking it, like you said hope it will be an exciting year for IEMs the Zenns Mangrid Tea MKII, Softears Volume and other IEMs that will be around 200 ish plus thru 500 plus price bracket and have a great, wonderful, blessed, positive, productive and safe week and as well safe weekend

[@EduRB99]

Yeah man, so many great options now for the "budget" market, there's a new audiosense hybrid in the 200 dollar range as well, I hope it sounds as good as it looks

[@beepover]

I have well over a dozen Chifi IEMS including the OG Monarch, Clairvoyance, FH3, Voyager 3, Legacy 3, Olina, Mele, TFZ Live 3, Blons 03, Blon 05, TC-01, Urbanfun to name a few. The only IEM that has ever been silibant is the S12. The S's are horrible on the S12. Luckly I bought it on Amazon and returned it. I did try diffrent tips and cables. The DACS tested were M6 Pro, Q1, R3 Pro Sabre and Asus STX running Jriver. I can say the Clarity on the S12 is top notch but for me the siblance just killed it. I did EQ the bass on the S12 and it is very responsive. End of the day I am not going to EQ IEM's. I have too many IEMS and DACS to mess around with EQ. I'll have to wait for another sub $150 Planar. Possibly the Crinicle X coming out will be better for me.

[@moonsofjupiter]

I'm with you. When the Z12's came out and I hear Zeos talking about how they added some sub bass, I was excited...then I was sure he would next say "and we turned the treble a bit as the S12's were a bit too much"..but alas it wasn't to be. He left everything else untouched - and I think they lost a lot of potential sales because of it.

[@ThNamesAL]

If you could get your hands on it, I really recommend the Nicehck DB1 as an alternative to the CRA. It's like a more tamed CRA, still leans more towards Bright and mild v shaped but because they smooth out the treble and bass, Vocals comes across a lot better than the CRA.

[@hammerfall6666]

how about the soundstage and the imaging? is it good on Nicehck DB1?

[@ThNamesAL]

@@hammerfall6666 For the price that they're at I would say the Imaging is good maybe slightly above average compared to others (I can still pin point things just fine) and soundstage is average at best, don't get me wrong it's still wide but nothing too special. Imo for sets that are priced around $15 (I got mine for less in my country) having average soundstage and imaging is good enough for me, because other than something like the CRA or the Quarks, most are meh in those departments. Detail retrieval maybe slightly behind the CRA but that could be because the CRA is slightly brighter, still for the price it's great.

[@Weareonenation303]

I wonder if companies like Moondrop and DUNU will get into the Planar craze this yeae?

[@krayozmines]

they follow trends. so yeah i think they might

[@jb678901]

Probably NOT at this price point.

[@dusk-i3m]

Ordered the S12's a while ago as my upgrade from BL03. Really looking forward to how planar sounds compared to dynamic.

[@Jakco808]

yeah im curious too

[@wadec6799]

How ya liking em??

[@Rsalmond83]

We’re waiting…

[@olo7297]

We are waiting

[@cnyegun]

still

[@kizzymartinsborges3981]

I got the s12 and I'm really enjoying it I just felt a pick on the S12 in dac that already has characteristics for being brighter in the treble like the Zishan Z4, on the Hiby and Fiio Q3 I didn't feel anything, and I highly recommend it.

[@BrunoMontanhez]

Hey Kizzy, would pick these instead of Timeless? Being myself a HiBy DAC user I'm quite biased right now to go for S12 and save some money for other IEMs.

[@kizzymartinsborges3981]

@@BrunoMontanhez it I'll be a nice choice in my person opinion s12 is a good planar and worth the money.

[@arthur3593]

So they match better with warm sources?

[@_Common_Logic_]

Wait... An IEM reviewer in 2022 who's concerned with SOUND and musicality?... You aren't comparing water resistance, gym-proof ear canal security, triple-enhanced ultra- bass, with enough colored EQing to stomach 192 bit mp3 files, and a palette of available colors as your top criteria? This is madness... Yeah, I subbed. 😉

[@elypeachy3296]

I must have CRA. Would you say $80-$100 is the sweet spot for IEM's. I feel $150 is a starting luxury price and IEM's at that point should be phenomenal is s12 really that?

[@thiscorrosion900]

It might help to use an EQ to tame those highs if possible. Just a suggestion. I just got a set of the Purple colour ZSR IEMS and the highs actually aren't inherently too harsh or bright, amazingly. Those are $30 list and are spectacularly good.

[@josefthedreamer]

Exactly my thoughts on CRA!

[@linolingelbach2214]

It's like a tamed zsn pro

[@josefthedreamer]

@@linolingelbach2214, I don't have ZSN PRO, only CRA.

[@phpaschoal]

I look forward to the Fiio Eclipe review !😀

[@MrDomq22]

The new animations are on point Timmy! Great review 👍

[@krayozmines]

good advice on only keeping 2 daps. money spent on iems sounds like the way to go! for me the shanling m3x is my end game dap cos I don't think I need anything better than this. since, realistically paying hundreds more for a better dap ain't gonna gimme THAT much improvement. diminishing returns really stop us common folk from over paying huh? and other dap is the fiio m3k.l love them both. also, thank you for yr video on the m3x. it helped me make a decision when buying an upgrade dap. I'm really thinking of getting an upgrade iem. Tryna choose between Acoustune HS1300ss and timeless

[@gadinggajah2468]

I preffer to Dq6 than cra,for clarity sound stage n bass,the sound more natural than cra,it sound like metallic in my ear

[@Luca-xr7bs]

Dq6 is stunning and somehow undervalued. totally unimpressed by cra

[@linolingelbach2214]

@@Luca-xr7bs what makes you unimpressed with the CRA?

[@gadinggajah2468]

Just wait for HBB X DQ6S

[@costarodrigo7414]

On the whole, the sound field is clear and the bass is thick.

[@lanemiddleton9]

Hello 👋🏼 Timmy, I’m interested in your future side-by-side comparison of the S12 and the Obsidian . . . 😎

[@kshitijdeole6980]

Just bought Aria week ago. after I watch your video 😊😊

[@yurucampenjoyer9195]

Me who listen to this via a cheap headphones/IEM : Hmmm yup I agree

[@MisterRhul]

I have the CCA CRA as my first IEM. Worth the upgrade to the S12?

[@User-s2f3s]

Buy Moondrop Chu to figure out what type of tuning do you prefer and then look for more expensive iems

[@costarodrigo7414]

Yes, I'm looking forward to it, too.

[@rawjugv.u9519]

Timmy, you getting more handsome by day 😚 I am pretty sure you will review 7hz Eternal soon, am I right? I hope one day you will colab like Crinacle too, like 7hz Timeless x Timmy or 7hz Timeless TT (Timmy tuned) or maybe Moondrop Aria TSE (Timmy sound/special edition). 🤩

[@theodorezurla496]

Giz deserves way more subscribers 🔥

[@linolingelbach2214]

CRA needs tip rolling to make it sound bassier. For me, the large stock tips does the best for sound.

[@Shaiy007]

My CCA CRA will be here tomorrow!!!!😀I can't wait. If I didn't have the Timeless, the Shuoer S12 would be a no-brainier!

[@ustav_o]

hey!! could you tell me wich one is better?

[@costarodrigo7414]

The effect is very satisfactory. I like it very much.

[@elpanameno8127]

Today I bought the s12... and yes im excited

[@kyron42]

When you compare iem's how do you precisely volume match?

[@arammco]

I'm curious how are the Shuoer S12 compared to the Kato?

[@salgymbro7624]

New sub and also new to the iem world (I own a bunch of headphones and tws), I own the zero red and cca cra and that's it... For now. The question is which is the best option under $100? Aria, t3+,titan s, or just other?

[@yunhaotsai]

great IEM review, is it possbile review any "upgarde cable" for these Best IEMs/ budget IEMs

[@Minerva___]

I had the CRAs and would have kept them but there was a legit channel imbalance. I tried getting used to it since they’re so inexpensive but I returned them. I was impressed with their sound quality at the price point.

[@yudha_saputra]

Next review Tripowin Olina

[@temporoyale6251]

I cant find anywhere the Shuoer S12 measurement from the nozzle, have you measured it?

[@ThatOmadGuy]

Can you review the Dunu Titan S? Thanks

[@jeffrose61]

shorter/wider bore tips fix the CRA for me. the deeper fit and the wider bore clear the sibilance and the treble that can get a bit piercing now it performs well enough that it's a toss up whether I pick it or the FH3. CRA has better overall tuning and timbre, but FH3 has the edge in bass quality and extra details/technicalties could see a reworked CRA that comes stock the way I'm hearing it that sold for $80 (comparing the FH3 @ $130)

[@hammerfall6666]

what eartips you would suggest for CRA?

[@jeffrose61]

@@hammerfall6666 BQEYZ grey transparent tips from BQEYZ store on Aliexpress are probably the most reasonable for ease of use and price (they are a short version of the BGVP A07/Fiio "bass" tips/Symbio Peels). Less reasonable but better sound is if you have the size adapters from a set of Final Type E tips, i've managed to get those fitted on the CRA (stretched with a screw first) then that opens up tons of wide bore options like Moondrop Spring tips, BGVP W01, i'm currently using tips from a 1more Triple.

[@juliankreuz]

Hope you review Tripowin x HBB Olina.

[@pakenkrak]

Stayed until the chika ed, love it

[@umtbozkr2358]

Just watching this older video and owning S12 pro, Timeless, and Timeless AE, I compared the vocals/voice of Timmy in this video, the Timeless is better. S12 pro got this peaky s in the treble which Timeless (AE)/doesn't have. Like a metallic sound on some home/car audio metal dome tweeters. But there is a price difference...

[@nsivaraj777]

Hey bro, can u make a video of best dongle, Dac/amp below 130$ and compare them all. As there r lot of iem reviews only few do Dac/amp reviews.🙂

[@xhappymasksalesmenx4092]

FiiO btr5 if you can find it on sale. So versatile. Has plenty of power. Portable. Can use as usb dac. Bluetooth support with good codex support. 3.5mm with 2.5mm balanced output. Other than that the iPhone dongle is dirt cheap and a solid dac. Amps aren’t needed for majority of headphones/iems today. Anything above the 90db range is just bad for your ears. Wouldn’t want to mess those up.

[@zodiacfml]

turns out I have similar tuning earphones to the CRA, the Samsung AKG. Would it be worth buying the CRA? I have other IEMs but turns out I prefer having good balance

[@laurentt1192]

Hi, how do they sound rock (RHCP/ACDC/Chevelle,...)?

[@realaudioreviews]

Great video, the timeless sounds amazing. I prefer it over the kato.

[@cafepaulistadechile]

Amy opinión about meze Ray penta? Thanks

[@Rybz]

Is the CCA CRA good for bassheads? What are the other better options at 50$ mark if any?

[@normalhumanbeing6066]

how would you compare the katos to the s12's? I'm having a dilemma deciding between those two...

[@michaelgrammer]

which one did you get?

[@FirmanSyah-ww7hr]

how about metal music i mean double kick sound how's the detail in cca cra????

[@nyihtalwah1047]

Tin hifi t4 Vs s12 what would u prefer bro ? Is there a different between these two?

[@samidanger3666]

You should try a side by side review with the timeless as your memory is making you say opposite things to many reviewers 😅

[@Gizaudio]

In the full review I compared them. This was just a first impression

[@jb678901]

Given the planar driver on the S12 is 8.8% larger in surface area than that on the timeless, I wonder if this is the key design difference.

[@TheDistortionist]

It might be the same driver but measured from different points on the surface of the driver. According to some.

[@guisado1002]

Tripowin Olina vs Oxygen

[@CXXX-i7p]

Is it type C or jack?

[@PinkAsAPistol]

Man I bought the CCA a couple of years ago, intending to give them away to somebody who doesn't care much about sound and it was so bad all over that I've be embarrassed to do so; I've had some 20-dollar Sennheisers two decades ago and they were utterly mediocre, but never with such murky bass, hugely unbalanced sound, unnatural midrange and that downright painful sibilance - which of course doesn't respond to EQ. So while I'll always say that no, they're not even worth their price, at least this is the first review that I've seen which describes their sound accurately enough. This is significant because my experience with the CCA was so horrible that I felt gaslighted by the raving reviewers, and since it was the only "chi fi" product I ever got, I got really apprehensive about buying a more expensive one, thinking all reviews must be paid promotion or something. So now I'm thinking of buying, say, the Dunu Titan S that you reviewed positively and my next step was to look if you reviewed the CCA and what you said about it to see if you sound trustworthy. You passed, I guess.

[@alphiebot5099]

What is the name of the song at the end of your videos?

[@saurabbbhardwaj1930]

Both brilliant.

[@Krishnakumar-wl7ih]

IEMs above 700$ are very demanding of the DACs. They would sound garbage in some while sounding godly in others. IEMs above 700$ is a gamble. You may never be able to realise their full capability in your lifetime... But the below 200-250$ mark is super good. They might end up sounding much better than the 1000$ IEMs with the gear you own like 99% of the time

[@adit2112]

Why no more perfume vids?

[@devaraft]

I really don't get the hype behind CRA. It has sub bass but no mid bass, mid is recessed, thin, grainy and the treble is just a bit much

[@linolingelbach2214]

Tip rolling

[@devaraft]

@@linolingelbach2214 done that and still not that good

[@linolingelbach2214]

@@devaraft Idk cuz for me after I changed too the large stock tips it sounded bassy and even too bassy at times.

[@hartyewh1]

What music are you listening to? EDM and rock for example don't work so well with the same tuning.

[@devaraft]

@@hartyewh1 mainly jpop

[@loveiloveyoutoo1121]

I don't know how it'll sound n very first time I'm switching to wireless to wired iem . N my first buy is definitely cca cra .

[@rahulmahela999]

What do u mean by speedy?

[@taufikfirmansyah6513]

bro do you have recommendation for reduce sibilance in cra???

[@EduRB99]

Is the s12 hard to drive? I'm anxious for the review 🙂 I'm waiting till the march sales, I have a feeling we will get some great deals on chifi

[@Kiefy6886]

@@Isfann Headphones/earphones all have different ohms, meaning they need more or less power to reach a good volume. Some headphones work fine right out of the box on your smartphone for example, but higher ohm headphones like 250 ohms for example need an amplifier added to get the rich sound and volume needed to enjoy.

[@EduRB99]

@@Isfann It's a reference to how much power the headphone needs to sound good, iems usually don't need a lot of power, but some do sound better with a dedicated amplifier, and I've heard that's the case with the s12, a little extra power gives it some extra "openness" and some more bass punch

[@jb678901]

It's pretty easy to drive IMO, and the fuel economy is not that bad. Maintenance costs for a car this old are pretty average, I suspect.

[@thiscorrosion900]

I don't think planar IEMs take as much power to push as the average over the ear planar headphones. I have the Hifiman HE400Is and they definitely take a bit more amp power to really drive than any IEM I own. I believe planar IEMs are a bit more efficient than headphone planars, the latter just suck more power no matter what due to driver size etc.

[@campingdoesntpay5235]

Landed on your channel and I love the thorough content, I see that you recommend the moon drop aria as a good budget pick, would you recommend KZ ZS10 Pro over the Arias? I want the for PC use, mainly gaming and music.

[@ramaidaugirdas]

Man, i have to say that though ZS10 Pro is good, Aria is indeed better. If you like KZ V-shaped sound, get CCA CRA, is cheaper and better! :)

[@campingdoesntpay5235]

@@ramaidaugirdas Thanks, already bought the Arias but might give the Cras a chance given their accesible price point. Cheers!

[@ramaidaugirdas]

@@campingdoesntpay5235 I have both and use CRA for daily use, 'cause of it being cheaper. I higly recomend it!

[@mlee9725]

I dont like CCA CRA, i dont get why's the hype

[@Luca-xr7bs]

agree. totally unimpressed

[@xeryan2747]

Same, my left unit comes with driver flex too. Will be saving up for timeless

[@realadnankhan]

i really like your videos which are.very informative about iems. just 1 question which are you prefer in fh3 or s12 ? and i like just bass.

[@zachillescas]

Please test and review the ND NSK :)

[@bithchandaravisal5749]

will u review ISN H50 ?

[@PasserbyP]

cra vs kz zs10 pro?

[@paulosilva8200]

I gotnthe cca for fun. Even with the high density filter in the nozzle still sharp. Other iem that will be kicked or giving to the next girl that I date and she know nothing about music

[@nsivaraj777]

Onlina review and compare with tin t3+ and tanchjim oxygen..

[@jb678901]

I have the TinT3+ and really enjoy this IEM. However, I have ordered the S12 to experience planar. Then the damn Olina came out and put me in a bit of a quandary...so I went and ordered it too.

[@nsivaraj777]

@@jb678901 from where did u order olina bro? And which place r u from🙂. And do u use any dac/amp in ur mobile?

[@jb678901]

@@nsivaraj777 On AliExpress, DD-Audio Store, for US$98, including delivery to Switzerland. For phone DAC I am using either the Abigail CX31993 ($14, AliEx) or the CS Pro CS43131 ($27, AliEx), both DACs are 32bit/384Khz. When using DAC with notebook PC, and upstream of DAC, I have an Oehlbach Pureclock (anti jitter) filter ($37, Amazon). Else, for LDAC from Home PC (Win10 Pro), using FiiO BTA30 Pro ($116) for wireless BT to a FiiO BTR5 ($125). For phone only, the Abigail DAC is a winner IMO; at relatively low cost.

[@kabirdevnm4850]

If I already own kz zst, KS zsn Pro & kz zex pro, does it makes, sense to consider adding cra to my collection?

[@linolingelbach2214]

Yup

[@kabirdevnm4850]

@@linolingelbach2214 so cra is quite different from the other kzs I own?

[@linolingelbach2214]

Closest is to the ZEX PRO, think of it as it is a V-Shaped ZEX Pro

[@linolingelbach2214]

For the ZST I haven't tried. And I don't really like ZSN Pro because it's fatiguing

[@kabirdevnm4850]

@@linolingelbach2214 cool thanks for your inputs! 👍

[@yariban9735]

This has me concerned about my ThieAudio Clairvoyance purchase 😅

[@Gizaudio]

You shouldn't worry. The Clairvoyance is near end game level performance. I would say it competes well with $1,000+ IEMS. It's far better than Timeless.

[@paulorocha7955]

@@Gizaudio This s12 or other planar iem, I know that to play on the cell phone you need an amplifier. But what about the PC, you also need it? My use is mostly on the PC, and one can be purchased, but without having to use an amplifier..

[@landarr]

Do a Giveaway and people would be rushing to join in the group lmao

[@costarodrigo7414]

It is a good choice to give this product as a gift to others.

[@gellertvarga4800]

Shuoer S12 > KATO?

[@paulosilva8200]

Whattttttttttt. To much treble on both iems . Is the elysium making your brain getting the right tuning ? I agree with you 100% here. Very good .tap tap. Lol

[@monkeyface6139]

I remember when Phil Oakey was good.

[@syafiqsyahmi2755]

I have kz zs10 pro

[@LandsPlanes]

Please rank s12!

[@mdk12172633sg]

Shoure s12 vs moondrop aria ?

[@tdwp909]

s12 is way better

[@mdk12172633sg]

@@tdwp909 thankyou for reply ... Have you tried both ?

[@tdwp909]

@@mdk12172633sg tbh i have not but from the research ive done, I would assume so, plus my experience with the tin t3+ (which is similar in performance to the aria) compared to the 7hz timeless (which the s12 is similar or subjectively a bit better) is that the timeless out does the t3+ in every aspect

[@mdk12172633sg]

@@tdwp909 👍🏻right thankyou. I now i know i have to wait for s12

[@moonsofjupiter]

Only get S12s if you're not sensitive to too much treble.

[@kyron42]

CRA or ZEX or VK4

[@kyoroshidest1865]

People should really exclude the VK4 in their comparison between iem. They're like 3 variation of the vk4, it's almost like impossible to get the first version which is like almost discontinued and the qe is like gambling if youre getting the good one

[@kyron42]

@@kyoroshidest1865 I like the VK4 original which is still available.

[@EduRB99]

Dq6S tuned by BGGA

[@linolingelbach2214]

If you can find the OG VK4, I think it's the best along with the CRA if you want a more fun listen.

[@hammerfall6666]

@@kyron42 do you have a link for that VK4 original?

[@dangaynhsblitzkrieg4799]

new subscriber here..

[@zhanurdos]

Imagine moondrop aria planar kekw

[@beammie2858]

Woah wow wowwwwww!

[@joshmaverick6692]

can you make a review of KZ x HBB DQ6S

[@INEARMODERATOR]

Just wow? Just Ow more like. The treble sound like millions of pins being dropped onto a glass floor. The treble love from the east is not resinating with me. Bough the z12 as I was told more bass... What a joke.

[@wrusst]

Lea is a better entry

[@azizinanc]

No one uses Facebook. Do Reddit or Discord

[@zhylerliebesleid9771]

But I bought timeless at 150$

[@chapinhagreen8443]

That's weird, because Timeless for default is $220

[@linolingelbach2214]

Congrats

[@microwave6097]

[@Gustav0Silva]

👁️👁️

[@edrdopalo]

hey gizaudio can you gift me an iem

[@JovanKK]

Lmao thats lame

[@edrdopalo]

@@JovanKK worth a try