Between Hitler and Stalin on the Eastern Front

“Between Hitler and Stalin on the Eastern Front” with Jennifer Popowycz, PhD, Rob Citino, PhD and Alexandra Richie, DPhil.
Panelists in this session explore what resistance against two forces-Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union-looked like on the ground in the USSR and in Poland.

[@jjforcebreaker]

I'm always super happy to listen to Mr. Citino. Thanks!

[@bbbabrock]

I understand I don't have much room to bitch since this is completely free, but it is particularly frustrating to hear the speakers going on referring to particular visual info in a particular slide picture, yet there isn't ever any shots of any pics or anything.

[@willboudreau1187]

Hallalujah brother, see my rather pointed comment on the same above!!

[@gsilcoful]

Thank you so much for this video.

[@lislisser6036]

1:18:29... ukrainians of SS "Galizien" got refuge in the west, mostly England and Canada after the war...

[@sparkey6746]

Fascinating discussion, thank you.

[@picogang]

The audience for these talks is very small sadly

[@timburr4453]

​@@picogangI wish I was there!

[@stevefowler2112]

I've always wanted to ask an expert how much the difference in railway sizes in Europe vs. Russia played into Germany's defeat in Russia?

[@DannyBoy777777]

Strategy, coalitions, and intelligence play a much more important role than railway gauges.

[@Ausumist]

What kind of daily difference and yearly difference would be interesting to know

[@sirllamaiii9708]

I'd reckon that it made it much harder since Russia used a much larger railroad gauge, meaning trains either had to be taken from the Russians, refitted, or rails completely redone. Made supply much more restricted even more than it already was. That's my take at least but I'm not an expert

[@USBBenson]

Turing didn’t build collosus and it didn’t have anything to do with enigma

[@zohzu]

Is there a discussion about the Balkan region too? This one was really interesting too

[@lislisser6036]

Heyndrich was killed driving not escorted open top car in Czechs countryside... Kutchera on the street in front of heavy guarded SS Headquarter in center of Warsaw... so not really the same..

[@timburr4453]

didnt heydrich die due to infection from the shrapnel? it wasnt right away I think he may have lingered in hospital for a few weeks

[@Ausumist]

Incredible discussion. What a spotlight on all the people, nations, and states caught between Germany and Soviet Russia.

[@ericmotta1]

26:48

[@lislisser6036]

1:20:13 soviets were very busy with hunting down AK units in the aeries of their control, AK Army units went on to help Warsaw uprising from all sides of Poland.. for example one from Vilnius (nowadays capital of Lithuania) managed to get in night marches, between soviet and German troops to Warsaw and break true German encirclement to the city... most didn't make it

[@lislisser6036]

by the way..... Ukrainian Banderas men, cruelly murdered approx 100.000 Poles times of ethnic cleansing... 30% of them.. children.... and on the top Ukrainians formed SS division 'Galizien", and formed plenty of concentration camps guards companies

[@kiltallagh1]

Still stuck in the cold war . Sad .

[@BibEvgen]

Nonsense

[@markolson9913]

What is?

[@ellenharold5191]

Let’s not be beastly…. God will sort it out .. in a couple of centuries

[@Ray-uk5db]

Moderator uses the filler “umm” too much. Very distracting.

[@thelememonk]

saying that much about Stepan Bandera and his legacy is like saying nothing, at all. Around 60k-100k Poles were brutally murdered in ethnic pogroms in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia in the most vicious way by the Ukrainians from UPA.

[@azbestusa8107]

POLAND was the only country in Europe in 1939 that fought with Germany for a month. Other countries either immediately surrendered and/or collaborated as so-called "neutral" countries. This situation of no one fighting Germany lasted for a year until the Battle of Britain beginning in June 1940 then nothing else happens in Europe, Operation Barbarossa (German attack on Russia) in June 1941 and the US entered the war in December 1941 after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor . If I am wrong please correct me. At that time, the Germans did whatever they wanted in Poland... The Germans were in Poland for full FIVE years, 1940, 41, 42, 43, 44, they did what they wanted in Poland... The Red Army liberated Krakow in January 1945. The Germans did not use forced laborers, but SLAVES, let's call it what it is. When they wear one to death, they took a new one... and so on. It was even worse than during Roman Empire or the United States because there you had to buy a slave and take care of him, and here it was enough to do a round-up on 2 streets in Poland. Now let's move on to a few so-called "neutral" countries that collaborated with Germany during the war: Switzerland - Swiss banks were closely linked to the German economy. Switzerland paid compensation to Israel. Norway - production of heavy water for the German atomic bomb and the German nuclear program at the Norsk Hydro plant. Sweden - sending machinery and steel to Germany during the war Turkey - sending chromium and other minerals to Germany. At the end of the war, when asked by the Allies, they stuffed themselves claiming that they were "not ready for war" The Vatican - issued false passports to German refugees, mostly to South America. Spain - General Franco sent food and military aid for support from Hitler and Mussolini during the civil war. Lichtenstein - gave asylum at the end of the war to Russians fighting in the German army. truly neutral: Tibet, Afghanistan, Yemen, almost neutral: Iceland, Ireland, Andorra Lvov was a polish city forever until 1945 when Stalin chopped it off, Three Polish mathematicians were fluent in German language and math, and they did it just for future reference

[@ocdoc4841]

'If I am wrong please correct me.': Greece says hi

[@Jakob_DK]

Norway agrees, from April 9 to June 10 1940 is two months, not just one. Please get the facts right

[@azbestusa8107]

German loses were 5 thousand mainly at sea during the invasion

[@azbestusa8107]

@@ocdoc4841 Hi - 1 month 3 weeks Greece.

[@sitting_nut]

in 1938 poland joined fellow fascists in germany and hungray to carve out czechoslovaka. so much for neutrality

[@vhjmvn]

It would be good to draw parallels with Westen European partisans and resistance, and not trying to sell us on a "mythology" that few will recognize outside the USA. 'Hogan's Heroes', good heavens! Fast forward and join the world in its present.

[@The2ndFirst]

What mythology are you talking about? The Hogan's Heros remark was simply mocking about how little the average American knows about the eastern front.

[@ekesandras1481]

@@The2ndFirst besides Yugoslavia the Wehrmacht never had to retreat from anywhere because of partisans. Might be due to the lack of mountains in that area, or by the lack of serious partisans. Hard to tell in hindsight. They did hurt them, that is for sure. But did they really have much military influence?

[@The2ndFirst]

@@ekesandras1481 I would say they absolutely did. Especially in Russia and France. The transportation net was so ruined in France that it actually hurt the allies in their push after the Germans. I don't think anyone's claimed that they singlehandedly made the Wehrmacht retreat anywhere. They're just a piece of the puzzle.

[@ekesandras1481]

@@The2ndFirst That's true. Another reason why it is hard to know: part of the partisans were not necessarily communists and that is why the Soviets tried to downplay their roal, or erased them from the Archives.

[@The2ndFirst]

@@ekesandras1481 There is some evidence that suggests that German army plans were captured by partisans that resulted in the drive on the caucases being halted.

[@wadedavies3924]

Hitler can be considered the modern founder of Israel when compared to Stalin's treatment of his Bolshevik comrades. If only the Ukrainians could distinguish between the Russians and the Bolsheviks where the Holodomor is concerned. Zelensky has been likened to Churchill in historical perspective, if not personal habits. Now Putin is characterized as another Hitler in the west but I don't believe he is following the script. He doesn't appear to be willing to betray his nation and if he did, he wouldn't last a single day in the Kremlin.

[@achtet7480]

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[@swdierks]

Dr. Citino, have you heard of the Azov battalion? Did you know of the US involvement of the 2014 overthrow of the Ukrainian elected government? The Minsk accords? I have the upmost respect for your historical knowledge, but perhaps you should steer clear of current affairs. The situation in Ukraine today is very complex. Russia did not invade Switzerland.

[@The2ndFirst]

You should really take that Russian propaganda elsewhere.

[@swdierks]

@@The2ndFirst It's sad that you can't think for yourself, and just swallow CIA propaganda. Everything I wrote is legit.

[@The2ndFirst]

@@swdierks Nothing you wrote is ligit. Russia is a 1.5 word power that thought they were going to destabilize and run over another country. They didn't. Now they are in a tar baby they can't get out of.

[@swdierks]

@@The2ndFirst You didn't read what I wrote. We DID support the 2014 coup. There IS a Minsk accords (read them). And there IS an Azov battalion that was listed as neo-Nazis until they were incorporated into the Army. What Russia did was wrong, no one can justify this war. However, it's complicated, and they did not invade Switzerland. They invaded the most corrupt fascist country in the world today. Again, it doesn't make it right, but it's much more complicated than we are being told.

[@The2ndFirst]

@@swdierks None of that excuses an invasion or the war crimes your lot is doing. Give it a rest.