BEWARE OF FAKE PAMP 1oz GOLD BARS on eBay!

Came across this bar on ebay for a reasonable yet believable price. Turned out to be fake. Just wanted to share. If I am unable to return this to the seller, I will make another video where I will open and examine the bar to learn it's true metal content.

[@prophez23]

It's really good that people like you are putting this out there. Unless you're rich and have money to burn its not cheap or easy to invest in gold. And to be ripped off for thousands of dollars hurts. So any help in keeping this from happening is greatly appreciated. Thank you for sharing this.

[@EmilyTienne]

He refunded the full amount and based on that, you’re not opening a case against him??? Why? He’s still a fraudster doing damage to the public and needs to be arrested. Why anyone would buy “gold” from a strange individual on eBay is beyond comprehension.

[@thomastaylor2395]

Great video. The best advice is to always buy from a reputable dealer. Very good advice, thanks.

[@marciano9492]

Thank you for sharing and demonstrating, you are saving a lot of people from falling for this trap. You are doing the stacking community a solid a charity if you will, and helping new stackers to understand what to look out for. All in all better to spend the extra 20 bucks or whatnot and always go to a trusted reputable bullion dealer.

[@jeffw1267]

If it's discounted below spot it's got to be fake. There's no reason to sell gold below or even at spot because it has so much liquidity. But of course fake bars are also sold at above spot.

[@tanweixin3504]

One of the easiest way to tell if a PAMP bar is fake is to look at the details of the woman. The fake ones are usually larger and visually "uglier". Real ones are usually more defined. 2nd dead giveaway is PAMP's logo. Theres almost always a noticeable difference between a real and fake logo. Check 2:38

[@mos342]

ebay has cracked down on fake gold bars since this video. With that being said, always remain vigilant and only buy from reputable gold dealers on ebay

Please, where i can buy this Panda gold coin? Im from EU and i can't find at local dealers. :( Thank you!

[@JimmyStruthers1000]

Mo S you shut your fucking mouth

[@626-p4x]

i would do testing on any bullion i bought immediately. even if it came from the mint that produces them.

[@etherealenergy9471]

I know people are quick to think a company is being honest just by good reviews. Hell even their employees could be posting good reviews. Not to mention the people giving them reviews probably never tested the gold themselves.

[@nopeynope7378]

It seems as though that gold induces neuropathic side-effects: I've seen so many shaky hands while handling gold bars.

[@deejayy8303]

24k baby, that’s the real deal!

[@jerryfacts9749]

Specific Gravity test using a Specific Gravity scale is a way to determine if the bar is gold or not. I have bought gold. I don't buy on line. I go to a local precious metals broker or one of the local banks that sell gold and silver bars, and gold coins.

[@lorabenz]

Mo S take your gold out of the plastic, gold is gold no mater if ther are finger prints on it gold is gold, you pay for gram of gold not what it look like, gold is gold

[@mwilson14]

I only use one seller on eBay for purchasing precious metals and that is MC*M (Modern Coin Mart). I haven't bought any gold from them yet, but I've got silver and it's authentic. I'm making silver nitrate with it to have specific reagents for future chemistry experiments.

[@mos342]

honestly any REPUTABLE gold dealer on ebay us legit, MCM, APMEX, JM, Pinehurst just to name a few

[@mwilson14]

Mo S That makes sense to me. eBay has so much buyer protection in place. Along with using PaPal it is really difficult to scam people. I have been ripped off on Amazon three times but never on eBay. I was honestly shocked to see all the videos about people getting scammed on eBay over something as high profile as precious metals.

[@beaucarmenianuzzii6746]

Glad you got your money back, I don't buy it unless I hold it first. I don't know if you have any local shops, maybe I'm fortunate. I have about nine shops within a 10 mile radius. he get weight it, and test them before you buy,,, it's hard to trust somebody you don't know. And that's a lot of money. Plus private stores don't want a bad name forever, fake sale could ruin their reputation, and that's a good thing...

[@money_hobby]

👍A few years ago I had a similar case with a fake one ounce "platinum" bar in a package from the same company. I returned it safely back to the seller.

[@MrExplorer05]

Serial Number font is different too. Thank you for sharing.

[@mos342]

I noticed even more and more differences when comparing the fortuna lady. It's not even close. Easy call. Although it looks very real superficially.

[@pontuserikson5868]

A big problem is the plastic packing. Serious gold dealers pay less if opened. If measuring weight, volume and electric resistivity - it's possible to reveal also golden core Tungsten, without damaging the bar. There is no possible way to make a fake bar with same density AND resistivity as pure solid gold. Electric resistivity is a measurement of how good a certain material conducts electrical current, and (if the density equals 19,3 gram/cm3) we only need to worry about 100% Tungsten. And the electic resistivity differs A LOT between Gold and Tungsten. (Tungsten with 25% Copper will fail a density test. Density and resistivity together separates Gold from Tungsten, but the package has to be broken. (Also hardness differs, but such a test will damage the specimen)

[@JamesMillerBand]

Nacholibre77 is my uncle's girlfriend's mother! I laughed so hard, thanks for the vid and laugh

[@KernCountyTransparency]

What was the outcome?

[@mauriceorayii2964]

I guessed right. The edges of the real bar have a more dull appearance.

[@videosuperhighway7655]

The color and the fortuna depth gives it away quick and yeah that is a thickness is huge lol. I bet the mainly get first time buyers who have no experience. It took me 2 seconds just from initial view.

[@2011blueman]

I have metal verification machines so I don't have a problem buying from anyone on ebay, but if I didn't I would only buy gold or silver from one of the major dealers on ebay (e.g. Apmex, MCM, etc.).

[@ultrabaron]

Can you verify through the plastic?

[@JK-vl6rt]

@@ultrabaron the blister pack/plastic adds no value. Gold is gold. Open it up, weigh it, do a specific gravity check on it, dimensional measurement check. You don't need machines. It can be done other ways.

[@sweetcostarica]

_Somebody on ebay selling..._ Buying gold and/or silver coins/bars off of ebay!? That is an unwise move to say the least. Buy from reputable metal dealers like APMEX, etc.

[@darrenpowell7225]

Did you ever test it

[@ideas839]

you should report to police, to save innocent buyers

[@mos342]

aloysious santhpradhap reporter to eBay's fraud team and these bars are no longer listed

[@exrfn]

Mo S Hi great video as you say its very hard to tell the difference from fakes to genuine bars.A 1oz pamp fortuna bar sold today on ebayuk for £232 uk pounds about $300 U.S....Looked genuine and seller 100% positive but i seriously have my doubts as 1oz gold bars currently selling for about £1000 in uk.seller was from Lithuania.What are your thoughts???? Thanks in advance...btw so glad you got your money back from seller👍👍👍

[@mrbrickreviews7808]

aloysious santhpradhap go home bro no need for your BS

[@ducheau100]

I could tell by the tint of the gold. fake is brighter, shinier. The fake might be a tasty chocolate treat under the gold foil

[@grahamconquerghc2358]

Always buy from suisse gold limited from Switzerland guys they sell every Swiss bar plus they even store ur goods for up to a year free and after the year u can sell it back to them or take delivery the post all over the world and their usually 1% over spot

[@wrangler0829]

30 seconds in and I'm calling the left one the imposter. Edit: damn. I was off by the front view.

[@grahamconquer5901]

The brand new ones have a plastic skin over them do the fakes?

[@pontuserikson5868]

Well done job ! Revealing fake gold in plastic - I guess there are more out there. Not 12k gold even ? Layer on layer ?

[@lander77477]

So would you advise against buying gold bars on ebay in general? Or just pay extra close attention to their feedback and/or if their account represents a legitimate business?

[@jeffw1267]

I would say, don't buy them in assay cards. People think they are more safe but actually they are less safe. Counterfeiters know that most customers would not tear a bar out of an assay card to test it. The bar in this video is clearly too thick and has scratches on the edge, so it's easy to spot without cracking it out of the assay card, but there are tungsten fakes that will look as thin as a real gold bar. Unless you have expensive X-ray equipment you would have to take the bar out to test it, and like I said most people are hesitant to do that.

[@TheSunnycal]

Why don't people buy directly from their mint? I don't get it,maybe they pay a few more dollars but at least you know your gold is real.

[@mos342]

TheSunnycal well if you buy from a reputable dealer on eBay, there shouldn't be an issue. These dealers are very careful about their reputation because it means everything. When I mean reputable I mean APMEX, BPM, and pinehurst

[@martinlanigan803]

Fools gold

[@MetalBum]

Dammit I just bought from nacholibre77!! 😤

[@brendalee798]

Metal Bum Ya! He’s got the best gold. I maybe a make up but I know my gold.

[@simonadebisi3619]

the only way to tell from just the front is the R in the circle next to the last P in PAMP is bolder than a real

[@afroballer]

wow I AM SHOCKED! thanks for sharing...

[@becomematrix]

I was right on the fake before you mentioned it 👌🏼

[@Skandalos]

If nobody buys from private who will buy your gold when you need to turn it back into money?

[@esko4725]

so the scan would not be an effective way to know if its real pamp?

[@johncarlson6472]

Just think of how many people don't check, because these fakes do look so good. That being said, if you don't by from a reputable bullion dealer, you're asking for trouble.

[@CraveThatCoin]

Good job on spotting that it's a very good fake. Personally I don't use eBay for gold. I do for silver sometimes as the money involved is much less.

[@mos342]

Well half of my gold collection is from eBay. I save money by using credit card rewards like cash back. Nothing wrong with using reputable gold dealers like APMEX or BPM. I get prices below spot at times.

[@CraveThatCoin]

Oh i see that's fair enough. We don't have ebay bucks available in the UK which is a shame. I would buy gold from reputable dealers via ebay, I agree there's no risk in doing so. Personally I wouldn't buy gold from a non-dealer via ebay but you know what you're doing so good job. I'm going to look into ebay more seriously for silver, I've heard good things about making offers

[@mos342]

+Giant Jack for silver I highly recommend golddealer.com and for eBay bucks you cannot use them for bullion. I was referring to credit card cash back. Good luck

[@cqpygs3840]

More important than saving a couple dollars and risking buying fake gold is building a relationship with your LCS. Investing your money back into your own community. And did I mention you won't receive a fake?

[@mos342]

I agree, I mostly by from a numismatic dealer near home but when eBay has deals from reputable coin dealers such as APMEX. I don't mind saving a few bucks while using my credit card to maximize points. I've gotten gold 20$ below spot price before. It all goes back to my community but maybe not on a local level.

[@brycen_4202]

If you look at the R for the trademark it’s bigger on the fakes, that’s how I tell it’s fake. At least for pamp

[@etherealenergy9471]

Gold could be used a barter during a disaster, but I'm just a sceptic when it comes to buying gold bars online. Especially when I went to a pawn shop, and they only accepted twenty dollars for 14k gold small ring. How am I supposed to believe if gold is really valuable at this point. These inflated prices are the company expenses your paying for. Only way to confirm they are real is test them yourself.

[@kozofit]

glad you uploaded this

[@mos342]

Kozofit 10k views bro!!

[@justinrogers9010]

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

[@jamienhb9770]

its not just on ebay these fake gold bars are everywhere

[@mmr3388]

What about barcode, is it protection?

[@willgeo2215]

I only buy from JM Bullion and APMEX....never from Ebay or private sellers.

[@Bmacvlogs23]

Where did you get the real one from

[@BruceBurger]

Wow, I wanna get into gold, but I wouldn't even know how to verify gold. :o Can a fake gold bar have the same weight and dimensions as a real one?

[@devaulter]

If it's solid, the same size and same weight, then it has to also be gold.

[@etherealenergy9471]

Bring gold bars to a store that sells gold, and have them test it. I found out the diamond in my ring was fake that way.

[@money_hobby]

devaulter, Counterfeit bars can contain a tungsten, which has a specific gravity of nearly the same as gold. (See information on the Internet.)

[@shaitan4458]

whats with a veriscan?

[@macguru9999]

did you get your money back ?

[@doncardo6687]

There a veriscan app in the appstore that can detect fake veriscan pamp bars

[@kozofit]

1000 degree hot knife through the fake bar!

[@mrbrickreviews7808]

KOZofit it would be dope but realy stupid.

[@mrbrickreviews7808]

KOZofit you could.......you could do that.......but why......why would you do that ?!?!

[@chimeraproject9481]

Are the ones on Amazon fake too?

[@Antandthegrasshopper]

Holy Shit! I was looking into buying some coins... Not gonna do it now, can't tell jack!

[@deejayy8303]

Just buy it from the site itself lol can’t go wrong that way

[@aaroncassell2162]

Just find your closest gold or coin dealer or go to a real precise metals website not EBay.

[@ajandnik1]

what ended up happening with the bar were you able to return it and i wonder if the sellers knew what the had

[@JK-vl6rt]

just from his voice, I can tell he wanted to keep it- eBay is pretty easy on returns and provides return instructions/address. No reason not to return other than being spiteful for the hassle.

[@manoelramon8283]

who is the seller ?

[@astronutz6623]

He will try to sellit again to someone who wont complaint

[@mrbrickreviews7808]

Zero Melsgiven The buyer is you. 😋

[@hippopotamus86]

Didn't even open it and cut it open?

[@JP-pw5no]

When people selling fake ,are they go to jail ?

[@bananaswag5017]

He said right when I bought it I noticed it was fake .. then why

[@wilsmanpeterexcess]

Did Ebay honor the refund?

[@davidhousley9155]

Has anyone on here seen a Pamp Bar pass the Veriscan test and then turn out to be fake ?.

[@sivaku42]

Did you buy from a ebay coin dealer or individual seller?

[@mos342]

Rohith Dravid I bought from an individual seller which is a HUGE risk. If you buy from a reputable dealer, it should be fine

[@ahmedelhady4177]

how i can get the fake one

[@beaucarmenianuzzii6746]

Why do you still have it, Grant I haven't finished the video ,,, Maybe I should have waited.

[@imduc2]

Great video! Thanks for the information

[@rpmillam]

Let the police deal with the fake.

[@fellafacade317]

Nacho could’ve also been scammed and simply bought 10 bars and 1/10 were fakes but I doubt it. How do scam artists become “professionals” by successful scams. Sell real bars for a little below cost, consider your loss as a longterm investment on peoples greed because when those people who bought the gold initially for cheaper and then see its real when they receive it, they’ll then buy MORE from scammer and now he sends the fakes !!!

[@PreppedScots]

That's why I buy pamp because of verascan

[@Parekhjosh]

eyes opening video Thanks

[@paviipanesar9931]

Can I buy the fake coin off you? Does anyone know where I can get fake coins?

[@grahamconquerghc2358]

Did he just say they both weigh 37grams I think both are fake he did he said they both weight 37 grams

[@paganphil100]

Graham conquer GHC: That probably includes the weight of the packaging.

[@richardsanchez9190]

20 dollars below spot???? Ain't that the first clue?

[@militantpacifist4087]

Who buys gold on eBay anyway? I only buy from APMEX.

[@doaanassar8673]

very very thanks..helps me a lot! !!!

[@sabinsb9940]

Actually the qr code works

[@evokaiyo]

Get a camera/phone stand if you can't even hold the camera without the heavy shaking

[@gumelini1]

Look close,they are not the same.Face and nose have some diferences and also that chest part is not the same

[@womblestacker7993]

Your lucky you got your money back

[@moeahmad19122]

I bought on ebay and it was real

[@astronutz6623]

What metal will equal 31.01 grams? Not even lead has that

[@2011blueman]

All metals can equal 31.01 grams, but that 31.01 grams won't have the same specific gravity and volume (that's why the fake bar in the video is thicker than the real one).

[@Uvirra]

Tungsten

[@Revealthefactsbpsolanki3456]

Thanks

[@MrBubbi2000]

If it's too good to be true it probably is always buy from a bullion dealer

[@deeas6518]

Why would anyone buy a gold bar on ebay?

[@user-kz3oi2zd3r]

Why on earth would anyone buy from eBay?!? Go directly to their site or buy locally, I would never buy anything other then junk silver on eBay in my opinion

[@mos342]

ajk00421 eBay has reputable sellers like APMEX for example and that's where you can get the best deals and save the most money by using credit card and not cash. Just to maximize on credit card points. As noted in the video, I advise everyone to buy from reputable dealers and not individuals.

[@dustinmiller2775]

37 grams?! Dead giveaway. A troy ounce is 31.1 grams.

[@billc6762]

Made in China. A bunch of gold store in Hong Kong got scammed

[@vincemorgan1742]

I don't know why he didn't acid test to show us how fake it is or grind dome down

[@ryanray6215]

No need any testing , the thickness sais everything .

[@parkerk6210]

do what I do on ebay when I get sold fake gold bars. I get an engraver & scribe FAKE on it!

[@NobleKnowledgeofphilly]

It's such a shame everyone thinks there the guy with the gold.. You know hey I listened to the gold rush show and I went and got mine.... Little do they know the government has most of the gold and they will never let the people have more of the Yellow stuff than they do... It's playing the lottery these days. Sorry guy's

[@henryhalamadrid7095]

Who the fuck will sell 1oz of gold for $20 dollars are you serious???

[@ahmedharagy2277]

guys these fake replica are too good to be discovered even for jeweler

[@2011blueman]

Any legit jeweler or coin dealer these days has some sort of metal verification machine that uses either metal resistivity or uses X-rays to determine the metal content.

[@miguelena40]

copper + zinc = brass that's what it is., looks exactly like gold, but I don't know if the weight is different my dad was jeweler and that was the same shit every days even my dad can't recognize the difference in those years you don't have the equipment that you have on this days (price expensive equipment) so just one droop of nitric acid and start burning green bubbles. I heard many stories from EBAY like a lady bured a nikkon d7100 for 900 dlls the advertisment said BARGAIN PRICE FOR THE PHOTO OF THIS CAMERA NIKKON D7100 REGULAR PRICE 1500 DLLS ONLY 900 DLLS the lady did the transaction and they sent to her a fucking picture of the camera not the camera , this history came from the manager of best buy , true or not I don't buy in EBA

[@ashi6838]

miguel f it would bot be wise for a proffesional counterfitter to use cooper and brass since their densities are around half of the density of gold. The metal with the closest density to gold is tungsten (wolfgram). In that way you can make the bullions that match the size of genuine gold bullions and then goldplate it. Thats probably what the proffesionals are doing

[@miguelena40]

thanks for your info :)

[@RayleignRonald]

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[@adammir8235]

why buy on ebay in the first place??? Risky business.

[@joaolp3431]

Certified by VeryScaM...

[@johnvines4875]

Thats why you only buy from PAMP ebay and not some random schmuck

[@mos342]

john vines you live and you learn

[@JohnHancocked]

The coin you are holding is a fake.... how do I know that .? Ask me.

[@RandomRandomnessKCMO]

How so ??

[@mos342]

John Hancock ok buddy

[@Wess-S]

This is why I only purchase from kitco.com

[@Flockingtheherd]

Always link the scam sellers name