Is The Secret Lab Titan Evo 2022 Overrated?

[@btodtv]

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[@Map71Vette]

Happy to see they didn't just eviscerate the chair and write it off as a gaming chair from the get-go. I bought one a few months ago and have really liked it so far. I was also coming from a very basic Ikea chair )not even an "ergonomic" one) and mostly was interested in the adjustability and I do like the bucket design as I'm a car guy. It's quite a bit stiffer material than I was expecting, but I like it more the more I use it. I've been working from home for over a year now, so that was one reason I finally decided to pull the trigger on a "real" chair. For the price I'm pretty happy. I got the softweave fabric because I have cats, but even with the minor upcharge it's still quite a bit cheaper than many "ergonomic" office chairs and seems to have more adjustability than similarly priced office chairs, at least anything I would be able to find locally.

[@JGAbstract]

Do you have the 2022 version?

[@Map71Vette]

@@JGAbstract Yep, got a 2022 in the standard size and black softweave. Still really liking it and it had held up really well. One cat likes to try to claw at it some, but so far very little noticeable effect. I try to keep him from really going at it though.

[@Demon09-_-]

@@Map71Vette its defintely better then alot of gaming chairs. those standard back support pillows are pretty bad for most people. But yea ergo chairs get expensive fast. you can find used aeron chairs in the 300-400 range or new stuff like Autonomous ErgoChair for about that price new. But chairs like the embody or aeron new get pretty expensive fast. CHairs are kinda like bike saddles/seats what ever you want to call them its not a one size fits all kinda world so if you find a chair that works for you and doesn't cause you any issues Don't be bothered by others opinions on it

[@thelazyduck9370]

Besides your point about your cats, do you find the softweave material itself to be comfortable?

[@Map71Vette]

@@thelazyduck9370 Yeah, generally speaking I think it's pretty nice. I think leather style material would be a little more "sticky" and less comfortable in any temperature. Also just think it provides a little better motion, like when readjusting I'm not dragging across a smooth surface like with leather or vinyl.

[@ThatDearOne]

I know this is an old video, but, I've watched like 10 reviews on this chair and yours is the best quality and most comprehensive. Thank you

[@matthewjbutch]

Yeah agreed, very very comprehensive.

[@yanycccc]

this guy is great, i watched another chair video from him and it was the best out of all the reviews

[@bluejazz04]

For people watching this 2 years later. I ordered one of these chairs in October of this year (2023) and can confirm the seat & back are hard as a park bench. Much firmer than my 2008 DXRacer King, which also has a firm seat. I also have a Steelcase Leap v2 I use at work, which is well known to have a firm seat. So when people say the chair is firm, they are definitely not exaggerating. It’s a shame, because everything else about it was great. I opted to return it. If they dialed back the firmness, I’d probably have kept it. I also ordered their lumbar pillow, which feels nice due to it being memory foam, but it slides you further forward in the seat pan due to how thick it is, making it less ergonomic. Also, regarding returns, they do not cover their initial shipping either. So this “experiment” with the chair cost ultimately cost around $106 for shipping both ways.

[@Gibsons_jzs147]

nobody uses a keyboard tray on a gaming setup

[@VMYeahVN]

Do people even use keyboard trays for office setups anymore? I feel like i haven't seen anyone with those since like the 90s or early 2000s.

[@paulkaehn6203]

I use it for food lol

[@Alien_4M]

I do

[@RealNaisuCinema]

@@VMYeahVNIn my office we were offered the trays and no one asked for one to be installed lol

[@McSmitty69]

I do .

[@zk4654]

I had the same issue with the Leather rubbing on the plastic noises. They sent me a barrier kit and the noise was completely gone. It took me 2 mins to install them. They are basically 2 pieces on the sides that go in between and are not visible. I have the XL version. I highly recommend the chair.

[@joshuawallace8921]

Was that with the leather version? So the barrier kit removed the sound with the leather one?

[@SpiceCh]

@@joshuawallace8921 Anyone having those issues can contact costumer service for a set of them, but new chairs have it pre-installed.

[@Dubsinsauce]

I got the softweave titan XL and it makes no noise whatsoever anywhere on the chair. It's completely silent, comfortable, and solid. If I had to nitpick, I'd say the only thing I don't care for is the small amount of play in the arm rests, but that's just a byproduct of the ability to adjust them to that extent.

[@SpiceCh]

@Relaxxed There's also the fact that they allegedly fixed the noise on newer models. Those who have older models can contact their support and have a kit sent to fix it.

[@jackedkerouac4414]

Do you mind saying what your height and weight is?

[@mc-mm5vw]

I received the Titan EVO 2022 black leatherette chair four days ago. I was impressed with the way it was packaged in the box , foam padding throughout which helps eliminate any issues one might encounter during transport. Instructions to assemble the chair were very clear, and the parts for the chair justified the $580 price tag. My only peeve is the formaldehyde like smell on the chair padding . I’m going on day 3 and I’m still “airing” out the chair. As for the lumbar support, it’s ok, it could be better. Please note: the chair padding is firm and I recommend getting a “purple” seat cushion. Good luck .

[@harrier1830]

How's the chair after 10months?

[@Guy-wd3yi]

What purple seat cushion? Is it uncomfortable??

[@2victor2]

@@Guy-wd3yiAbsolutely, hard as rocks.

[@Snxgur]

@@2victor2 BS, you dont even own a secretlabs

[@2victor2]

@@Snxgur I have 2.. the original Omega and the Titan XL evo. However, seeing your comment history you’re just being a fanboy so doubt it’ll matter one way or another. Happy Holidays. 🎄

[@liambarbour6037]

You are right about the seat plastics to the leather(fake leather) making noise. I am just about to recieve two custom made things from them that slot into the plastics on the side to reduce the rubbing noise. I also used in the meantime a small to size cut piece of paper and slid it in the side of the plastic, makes the noise disappear.

[@johnnyray5515]

I have the Superman Titan EVO and have had for a couple of years now. I weight a little more than 300lbs and have never complained about being uncomfortable due to the seat being stiff or back being too stiff. I’ve sat in it for hours at a time without getting too hot or anything. I don’t have any issues with noise either. It’s been such a great chair, I had my employer get me one for the office, but in Stealth color.

[@bluejazz04]

For people watching this 2 years later. I ordered one of these chairs in October of this year (2023) and can confirm the seat & back are hard as a park bench. Much firmer than my 2008 DXRacer King, which also has a firm (and similarly designed) seat. I also have a Steelcase Leap v2 I use at work, which is well known to have a firm seat, and it’s nowhere close to this. So when people say the chair is firm, they are definitely not exaggerating. It’s a shame, because everything else about it was great. I opted to return it. If they dialed back the firmness, I’d probably have kept it. I also ordered their lumbar pillow, which feels nice due to it being memory foam, but it slides you further forward in the seat pan due to how thick it is, making it less ergonomic. Also, regarding returns, they do not cover their initial shipping either. So this “experiment” with the chair cost ultimately cost around $106 for shipping both ways.

[@HanzoTookTheWrongShuriken]

I have sat on a softweave version daily for over 3 years. I haven't had any issues with backpain, stiffness or anything. I don't use the backpillow, I dont find it comfortable for me. But overall, the chair is very comfortable! It's the best chair I have had. I'm very happy with it, and I recommend it.

[@potatochalbro]

Just bought the Softweave version too, glad it lasts you 😊

[@Nedvio]

Hello. What ergonomic office chair would you recommend in the 400-600 dollar price range? (best quality to price ratio)

[@rorothegoatboat]

Mavix, Eureka has one but the build is sh*t

[@Nedvio]

16:11 where is that video? Titan vs similarly priced office chairs?

[@uch1gatana]

I just ordered this. I am not a fan of "Gaming Chairs" but i heard A LOT of good things about this chair. I am coming from a small Hyken Chair and was looking for something bigger. update: I have had this chair for over a month and it's the best chair I've owned. No pains and aches after long sitting sessions. It also helps to stretch every hour if you plan on sitting a while.

[@simplyscholar21]

You heard a lot of good things about the chair because they make people post on social media to give them 2 more years on their warranty, or to get a free bottle of cleaner. The posts can be on social media, or a video. Which is why there's so many videos as well.

[@uch1gatana]

@@simplyscholar21 I bought it and it ended up being really good

[@simplyscholar21]

@@uch1gatana I'm considering it, but a lot of stuff about Secret Lab seems shady and puts me off. Like the warranty thing I mentioned above, and the fact if you want to return it within the 49 days, you need to repackage it exactly as it was shipped, and if there's any damage, even to the packaging, they deduct whatever they want from your refund. Their Trustpilot reviews are half great, and half really poor. So I have a hunch it'll be a nightmare dealing with them if it ends up breaking.

[@VMYeahVN]

@@simplyscholar21 They make you post it on social media but they don't tell you what to say about it. If there's a lot of good things being said it's because people like it. It's not some conspiracy.

[@simplyscholar21]

@@VMYeahVN they need to approve the post before they give you the extended warranty. You don't think that seems like added incentive for someone to be positive out of fear they won't get the extended warranty?

[@Athridar]

I purchased this chair and it arrived yesterday. I purchased this chair to replace my dx racer. End result, the titan 2022 evo regular size chair is now my wife's chair. Why? The chair is not as comfortable as my dx racer. The seat cushion is harder than the dx racer. But what surprised me more, the back cushion is much harder than the dx racer. It's almost like putting your back against a wall, especially if you use the lumbar support. They say it's always greener but after trying this titan, I appreciate my dx racer chair.

[@watermouse9296]

I am having a similar issue as you. I have bought 3 chairs (Random Fabric Amazon Chair, Razr Iskur XL, Automous Ergo Chair) and I cannot find one to replace my 2016 DxRacer. I didnt realize how much I loved my DxRacer until buying 3 different chairs and either giving them away or returning them because they dont hold up. Honestly, I am about ready to just buy a 2nd DXRacer chair at this point. Potentially the KING, except it seems like they havent improved them at all, they all look exactly as they did 6-7 years ago.

[@lanx0003]

I do not quite understand if DxRacer were good, why do you and the visitor were thinking and actually trying to replace it.

[@DGneoseeker1]

Ah so the backrest is still rock hard?

[@Aybrix]

At 5'5 I had the 2020 version for over a year, using it with and without the lumbar pillow and had lower back pain I couldn't alleviate . Swapped to my old chair and it went away instantly. Tried the Evo 2022 and after 2-3 weeks I was hurting again. It just felt too big for me, despite messing with the lumbar settings, no matter where I put it it just wasn't comfortable. I just managed to get a Haworth Fern for an amazing deal and it's night and day. This fits me perfectly, personally. Thank goodness Secret Labs has a decent return policy. Very nice chair, just not for everyone.

[@nassmaschine7397]

Did you try the regular or the small size version ? because at 5'5 I can imagine the regular is gonna be a little bit to big anyway.

[@jeffdietzphotography]

the problem is it's not a 'free' return when you will pay at least $100 to ship it back

[@loganeau]

14:40 wanna try the other lever?...

[@rattoh]

Super informative to the detail & seemingly honest review unlike all the others reviews I've seen on YT about this chair.

[@JayBeeGamingg]

Day 5 having this chair and I’m still struggling to get that consistent ‘sweet spot’ comfort to be honest.

[@msandonato23]

you won't. ive had mine for a month, and im actually waiting on customer service to reply to me so i can send it back. it doesn't get any more comfortable after a "couple weeks" like secretlab will tell you. plus, the quality issues are already showing themselves. overrated.

[@JayBeeGamingg]

@@msandonato23 Yeah I’m sending my back too, I have to find a massive box somewhere and print off a label for them to collect

[@staydigital81]

@BTODtv What would you recommend around the same price (give or take 100 dollars/euros) as this Titan Evo 2022 please?

[@hyeon9840]

the return policy is totally screwed. u need to pay 150 dollars to ship it back.

[@goosesmile697]

Did you get all of your money back though? I opened all of the plastic like a bit of an animal and Im worried I won’t get a full refund

[@hyeon9840]

@@goosesmile697 yes but not shipping fee.

[@SmugCanadian]

I recently got a used Herman Miller Mira 1 from a government auction, but I have to say I can confidently say it was one of the worst chairs I've ever used. The Back support was 10/10 the actual seat part was brutally uncomfortable. Ended up going with one of these even though I saw some reviews about it having noise issues on some older ones and I have to say I much prefer this over the Herman Miller but again mine was a used Mira 1 so maybe that had something to do with it and the new herman millers could be better.

[@RideBonesSwiss]

what website did you use to find the chair?

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

Mirra 2 is vastly superior imo.

[@rollforever85]

I have the Mirra 2 with butterfly back and find the back rest extremely uncomfortable. I find it triggers pain in my lower and mid back after only a short time sitting in it. Wish I'd sent it back whilst I had two weeks to return it 😑

[@pehlim1381]

The headrest pillow is magnetised will it drop off after some times ?

[@varunaX]

yes it falls off all the time. its may look good as feature on paper, but its a horrible design functionally.

[@ItsShatter]

Being brutally honest, the seat is so hard and uncomfortable. I have never had lower back pain issues and started getting them bad within hours of sitting on this chair.

[@itsathejoey]

I bought this chair a couple of weeks ago and you are right. People say it breaks in but I don't get it. At least the cushion doesn't bottom out though.

[@TheSports507]

It’s meant to be a firm chair. I personally like it compared to a super cushy chair.

[@itsathejoey]

@@TheSports507 Well it could be just a bit softer to where it doesn't bottom out. Buying a kingphenix memory foam cushion helps it.

[@inkinen]

You are right. The chair is absolutely agonising and i started to feel pain only after 30 minutes sitting in it. My wooden kitchen chairs are more comfortable than this. Luckily i was able to sell mine at a smaller loss than the return shipping would have cost. And why did i buy a gaming chair instead of an office chair? Mainly because of the tilt mechanism, thinking i would be able to chill and watch movies and play some casual games laying down... maybe even take a nap? But when the chair is as comfortable as a pile of rocks, that didn't happen. Hopefully the new owner enjoys it more.. or at all. Few things i learned is to NEVER again buy a chair without testing it first, and for the love of god DO NOT buy a racing style seat (unless you own a race car).

[@peterjg001]

Anyone about to buy one please keep in mind this chair is as hard as a rock. I found it way too hard and not comfortable. Its solid and quality product, but I prefer a soft cozy chair.

[@MJR91]

Totally agree

[@zomfgeclipse]

Very useful!

[@reactiveportal6572]

100% Overrated.. Titan Evo 2022's are horribly uncomfortable. About as hard as cement. Buyer beware. They wont even pay shipping back if you want to return.

[@DylanZ1201]

Definitely not overrated, everything about the chair is premium, even down to the packaging and assembly. I got the soft weave material, and it feels and smells great. Huge improvement over my old cheap gaming chair, and loving the lumbar support.

[@btodtv]

I think it is important to qualify the premium quality sentiment. It is premium quality when compared to most bucket seat gaming chairs. It is definitely the best of that group by a good margin. When compared to high end gaming chairs, like the Gaming Embody or Halo Fern, it would be considered a mid-grade chair. -Ryan

[@joandsarah77]

How hard is it? I just ordered one as I need the lumber support, but I am worried after seeing people say its as hard as a rock. Could a memory foam pad be added or would that ruin the lumber support?

[@damatnajat2560]

@@btodtv im 5 ,8 ft do you think is should get the small version bc of seat depth ?

[@DGneoseeker1]

@@joandsarah77 It is indeed as hard as a rock on the old Titan chair at least. I've had to put various cushions on it. I never found a suitable memory foam pad. I don't know why they seem to be so hard to find. All it needs to be is a rectangle...

[@joandsarah77]

@@DGneoseeker1 I bought an automotive one that was shown on KZbin as fitting the chair well. Stays in place too.

[@mr.jellybean]

I've used this chair for a year now and I can say that it is the best chair I have ever sat on in terms of office work. To give an example my work mainly revolves around a computer and so do my hobbies. I easily spend over 8 hours just sitting on a office chair daily. The main reason I chose Secretlabs was due to the adjustability. You can asjust height, seat angle, and the back angle. My experience with office chairs range from 150-3000€. The most expensive chairs usually had the same types of adjustments like the Secretlab which I liked very much. Unfortunately, I was not able to find an office chair under 1000€ with the same features, so I went with the Secretlabs chair. No regrets and I can recommend it. No backpain for me even though I have a herniated spine.

[@gabrielebelcastro2430]

You can adjust the angle of the seat? I didn't know. What do you mean by this?

[@msandonato23]

i can see on the video that your example is sitting crooked too lol. this is extremely common. mine does the same thing. the cylinder isn't straight internally. depending where it is in the 360 degree rotation, it either leans left or right. plus the backrest is literally built crooked. PSA don't bother with secretlab. they're all hype.

[@IAmLeroy_]

Im just around 6ft weighing 170. I have pretty wide shoulders. What size would be better, Regular or XL

[@Wiksila-co1fg]

Just because of wide shouldes i need to go for xl even headrest is little too high for me since im only 172cm

[@itsathejoey]

If the 2022 Titan seat cushion is softer than the 2020, then was the 2020 seat cushion made out of concrete?

[@fragmentalstew]

In this video, it was said that the BTOD 100MC was selling for around $200. Now, 6 months later, that same chair is $300. That's a 50% increase in price in only 6 months. Inflation has been high, but it was probably closer to 4.7. 7.9% at most. I've noticed this trend with a lot of chairs, from many different manufacturers. What is going on? Is it because more people are working from home?

[@btodtv]

Just the freight cost alone on containers shipping across the ocean is up 3x. You can fit about 300 chairs in one container. The difference could be as much as $30-40 a chair just in freight alone. We’ve seen 3 price increase from some manufacturers in the last year -GK

[@imjustagrill]

Like the guy below me said oversea freight costs skyrocketed during covid.

[@fiveforbiting]

I like how Secretlab designs a better gaming chair by removing the side bolstering...just imagine if they got rid of the ridiculous racing seat aesthetic, completely. Perhaps even designed a proper "regular" chair.

[@derek8c829]

I agree, a bit classier designs would be nice. Instead the designs feel immature. They're marketing towards adults right?

[@TheLoneMartian]

They do actually sell a more office/regular aesthetic chair called the Neue.

[@danielelewis9303]

​@@TheLoneMartian I had Neue for 9 months and sold it. Most uncomfortabel chair I ever had... I would not recommend it to anyone under 6' and the recline is back only, it makes your lumbar support move up your spine. Very bad design... also you can find GT-Chair Marrit on Aliexpress/Alibaba for half the price. Neue chair is just rebranded GT Chair and they still tell you they produce it...

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

@@TheLoneMartian Absolutely garbage chair that they don't even make, it's literally a rebranded chair made by Chinese OEM.

[@bluejazz04]

The DXRacer King series chair I’ve owned since 2008 lacked side bolsters, so it’s not even a new thing. And that chair doesn’t use rock-hard foam, so it’s actually comfortable to sit on, unlike the Titan.

[@mukundchohan4384]

Is this chair good for office work and also does it provide good neck support for someone who is suffering from neck pain ?

[@JDS-Dalton]

Been looking at the fabric version of these to get, have been looking at ergonomic chairs for a while, have a good one at work, but I came to realize that when I'm on my home computer, I really just want to lounge back, and not be ergonomic, that's when I'm most comfortable.

[@Bulldawzer]

What's the other chair you used for comparison in the recline section?

[@turtlebeef]

I'm torn between this titan Evo gaming chair or the Haworth Soji office chair. I use keyboard mouse as well as lean back with a controller about 4- 6hr a day. Im 5'10" 200 lbs, any advice?

[@SpiceCh]

The fact that you can recline and lounge in a gaming chair is without a doubt one of its biggest advantages over an office chair that office chair elitists always seem to discount completely. I challenge any of them to show me an equally good office chair that doubles as a lounging chair replacement in the same budget range - it simply doesn't exist.

[@btodtv]

You can recline and lounge in almost any office chair. The recline on gaming chairs being special is the most overhyped thing about them. Unless you love having numb legs from having them hang over a non ergonomic seat edge, the recline is worthless. I’d take the IKEA Markus as a better option for recline and lounging over any gaming racing gaming chair I’ve used and it’s only $249.

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

Ever heard of a bed? Go and lie down in that instead of expecting an office chair to recline 180 degrees you lazy shit.

[@oldschoolgamer5113]

This is the most uncomfortable so called chair you will ever own. If you want to sit on the bleachers at a high school game while Brett hart has you in the sharp shooter then you will love it. The shipping is half the price of the chair. I have a brand new one right here. I can't sit in it for more then 5 mins without my butt falling asleep and my neck and back feeling like I got whip lash. The chair is too flat and the back is way too long and doesn't fit your body your body has to shape the chair. You have been warned. I have tried to sell it no one's wants it, I tried to give it a way no one wants it. 400.00 paper weight that is pretending to be a chair.

[@Silverwing_99]

i was looking for more of an office chair and this video was fab, which ergo office chair for teh same pricepoint would your reommend?

[@I3igI3osS_v1]

For me it's a big difference I was sitting in a kitchen chair and now have the titan evo xl, it's so confortable love it

[@DesolatePsyche]

one of first chairs I bought was cheap 90EU office chair. lasted me a year then cylinder gave out. 2nd chair I bought was cheap gaming chair for 150EU or so, lasted 3-4 years. It back screw location chassis broke so it became all tilted + ass cushioning became non existant. Now I bought secretlab chair for 550 . So far I love the comfort and adjustability... whenever it's lounging or sitting properly. Now I just hope it will last 6 years at least to make it money worth.

[@SpiceCh]

Personally I think the chair is great. It has the huge recline and long back with head support that you don't find in office chairs, the adjustable lumbar support is really nice, and any point of criticism towards the chair's base height and butterfly seat tilt don't apply to tall people and is otherwise easily addressed with a footrest. The people who dismiss this chair on the basis of it being a "gamer" chair are doing themselves a disservice.

[@reedsmall2601]

How’s it lasted you so far? Still holding up?

[@fuileadan]

I got an Evo 2022 recently, the seat cushion is NOT soft. its feels like sitting on a piece of wood. they say it'll break in, but i'm curious who breaks first, me or the cushion.

[@MrFreemanNL]

Any changes? I'm curious!

[@fuileadan]

@@MrFreemanNL nope still a piece of crap. I had to buy an additional cushion for it.

[@OSS976]

@@MrFreemanNLfyi mine is rock hard 2yrs later. Don’t get these… ur better off spending double on a Haworth fern that’ll last you years and years

[@FlashlightTech]

Those synchro recline will break your spine in 1month, I tested 4 biggest chair stores, about 100 chairs and none up to 400€ price was worth the price. Ended up with titan 2020 and will never sell it. Best chair I tryed in 33 years. I have back problems, but with this chair I can spend 8 hours working without any problems.

[@btodtv]

Did any of those 100 chairs you test break your spine? -RB

[@FlashlightTech]

@@btodtv yes, I have 230€ new office chair at work and it hurts to sit, it does not lock reclined, it does not have adjustable armrests. Before I had 300€ chair from ikea with that synchro, ended up 2 months at home with awful back and neck pain, after whitch I had 2 year panic dissorder. So yes 99% of office chairs in my local stores up to 400€ are garbage worth 50€. Not only that, for 400€ (I paid for my titan) I have 5 year warranty for whole chair including peal protection. I use it already for almost 2 years. Everything works, no noise, just a little crack on armrest side, because I always lean on that armrest and I am 103kg, was 120kg. BTW secret lab sent me new armrest free of charge without any issues.

[@DGneoseeker1]

How on earth do you sit in this thing for 8 hours without it hurting you? I can't sit in the Titan for more than 5 minutes without some kind of extra cushion on there without the backrest torturing me.

[@FlashlightTech]

@@DGneoseeker1 this is the best and most comfortable chair for me.

[@DGneoseeker1]

@@FlashlightTech You have no issue at all with a super firm backrest with seemingly zero cushioning? I keep wondering if something is wrong with the lumbar support device in the chair making it feel worse than it should.

[@McTwistedTwisties]

Does the base of the chair contain wood?

[@Dubsys]

thanks for the review, a friend told me to check this out before buying a haworth fern and i think i'd rather just spend the little extra and get something with twice the warranty.

[@senniboyo8672]

What is your opinion on the andaseat kaiser 3? It's a "clone" of the secretlab but apparently it has a softer seat and is more open for movement and has the same set of features as the titan. I am considering the kaiser 3 also because it is a little cheaper

[@btodtv]

My opinion is that you shouldn’t waste your money on a racing chair and get a proper ergonomic chair instead. -Ryan

[@senniboyo8672]

@@btodtv I've watched some other videos of you guys and I think I'm going for the Haworth Soji, also thanks for the response!

[@ehsanahmed2896]

What's your opinion of the Sihoo M57 compared to the Titan Evo 2022?

[@Zenith1.34]

Did you try the soft weave version?

[@obamalastname34]

What about the squeaky issues?

[@jeebtheboss]

I received mine 10 days ago, softweave, and no squeaky issue for now. Lucky me maybe, as I saw other customers complaining, but maybe they finally fixed it

[@patrickkellaher9673]

Mine is the pleather and it squeaks. Secret labs will have you send them a video of the issue and they said they would send me a fix kit. Brand new and squeaks... That is why I got a new chair, my Ikea chair finally started squeaking after 12 years... And this secret labs chair squeaks the moment you finish putting it together.

[@jeebtheboss]

@@patrickkellaher9673 well, lucky me mine isn't squeaking (yet). And I was super afraid about that seeing some reviews like yours before. So I advise you to push Secretlab for getting a replacement one then, it seems not all their chairs have the issue

[@nomore6167]

Like every other video/review I've seen, this failed to mention or show the angle of the backrest. Every high-back chair I've seen requires you to recline when using it; if you sit up straight, your back will be several inches away from the backrest. This chair claims to have an 85-165 degree angle for the backrest, which would indicate you can sit up straight, but every picture I've seen shows an angle much greater than 85 degrees, so I'm not so sure about that claim.

[@brandonb8705]

I personally hate the way office chairs "rock". It's not even like rocking really. It's one of the reasons I really prefer the rocking motion on chairs like this.

[@HiCZoK]

I really dont want an office chair feel or look for my gaming. I want something col looking with most functions. Something that I can sit one leg up or slouch in! Very happy to see you did not went full on armageddon on this one. nice !

[@TheSydguy30]

You look at the screen or the chair while gaming? Because I look at the screen.....

[@ezwider4652]

What’s a good chair with a head rest - seems like a thing decent is over $1000

[@Truthorfib]

Hi, do you have a review for the softweave version?

[@IsThatDrak]

great review! very in depth, i never lean back most appealing thing to me is it sits straight upright something that many dont seem to do anymore

[@wallonthefloor]

I would love to hear btod talk about the new razer chairs!

[@brandonb417]

Can someone familiar with the chair comment on the side wings by your shoulders? Does it push them in and make you hunch? I'm pretty interested in this chair but don't want to have to worry about my neck getting sore from my shoulders hunching over. Also, I try to keep my chairs for 5 or 6 years, does it look like this one will last that long or will I be done with it in 2?

[@Anderson-n7e3i]

You will regret buying this chair. Its soo bad Brandon. I returned the XL version of the chair and the side wings were not a problem for the shoulders, but I have heard they are an issue on the large and small versions of the chair. I'm 5'11" 180-190lb and the besides the seat, horrible back and worthless lumbar support the chair was semi decent. All the positive reviews on youtube got me to buy it and I should have searched deeper on reddit first. This chair is so stiff and never breaks in like they claim.

[@brandonb417]

@@Anderson-n7e3i Thanks for the heads up. Do you have any recommendations? What did you end up settling with?

[@brandonb417]

@@Anderson-n7e3i Also too, how long did you try it before giving up on it.

[@Anderson-n7e3i]

@@brandonb417 Secretlab gives you a very small window for returns, I believe 30 days or something. So I only used it for about 2 weeks. I was in denial at first so I bought an aftermarket seat cushion, lumbar support and arm rest covers for the evo before I realized how ridiculous it was. Shouldn't have to completely cover the chair in padding to make it comfortable. :/ I ended up going to a showroom here in Arizona and trying out about 20 high end $1000+ chairs and went with the X3 Xchair with the wide seat and memory foam upgrades. Its amazing, I can sit in it for 8-12 hours and it feels like i'm sitting on a cloud with excellent lumbar support and every adjustment you could ever need. The whole thing about being punished for not sitting correctly and that's why the titan evo is so stiff is a bunch of crap i.m.o.

[@alexgosser5587]

@@Anderson-n7e3i : I think you may have gotten the wrong size chair.

[@nnocon]

The Secretlab Evo 2022 is the worst chair purchase I ever made. Backrest is extremely stiff and it's not made to be sit in for longer sessions. It fixes your body to one position and it will get uncomfortable if your sessions are too long. I have sold my Secretlab chair and have now ordered a Herman Miller Embody.

[@waxqueenbeenichole8839]

What keyboard mount are you using in the video?

[@btodtv]

Are you referring to the 11:30 mark? If so, Ryan is using the Myriad MFP21, www.btod.com/RA-MFP21.php. NL

[@KoolCatCurtis]

Can you do the Razer Enki Gaming Chair? Thank you! It has a natural lumbar curve in the back similar to the Eurotech Vera

[@Wistbacka]

Great review! Can you please also review their office chair, the Secret lab NeueChair?

[@AzurePursuer]

The Arms work really well with my desk set-up, but I could see if I had my tray and whatnot lower how they could be an issue. I really like my Evo 2022, but you are definitely paying for the name. I am 5'10/11 and I have the regular chair and the seat doesn't touch the back of my legs either.

[@nyxkhaos247]

I was all for these chairs, highly promoted them telling friends they had to get them. Sadly 4 months after the 3 year mark the air cylinder is going out and fast. Some would say well how much do you use it, weight and height. My boyfriend bought one for him and I a couple months apart. I use mine from 10-12 hrs a day for work and leisure. Im up and down a lot so not sitting in it that many hours straight. Boyfriend on the other hand sits in it from 4-6 hrs maybe 2-3x a week. He works all other days and is usually too exhausted to be at his desk on days he works. At around the same time both our chairs air lift cylinders are going out at the same time at the same drastic decline. I loved my chair. It helped when i hurt my lower back. Just feel like items today are not holding up like how they use to. When I was younger my father has a pc chair that lasted 9 years. Given it was no where near as comfortable but two kids were trading off, using it from morning to evening and then my father would use it for long hours on the weekends. Feel like now adays a higher price tag doesnt always equal great quality. Over all a great chair, I love it to death, but put parts of it could be done with better longer lasting parts for how much they are selling it for.

[@DRsideburns]

you got the 2022 chair in 2020?

[@clivewatson8641]

dunno where you get the seat was "softer" because mine is hard as all get out..lol

[@elijah1110]

damn i love this channel sooo much. I finally bought a leap v2 from you guys, cant wait!!

[@btodtv]

Thank you! -GK

[@orangemc9358]

The packaging and build quality is superb, but honestly, I'm returning mine. The comfort is just not there. It feels like a brick and is stiff, the back is so flat and only really has the lumbar support for any amount of texture or support. The arm rests are nice, but they don't really let your arms rest, they feel somewhat squishy but hard and I noticed pain in my arms where contact was made after long enough. They jiggle and don't really feel solid, alongside the arms not sliding backward enough for me to actually rest my arms on them without needing to wheel much closer to the monitor than I'd want to naturally.

[@cheapbongs]

how long did you use it? i have an opportunity to buy it basically new for $200, but after seeing all these reviews, im not so sure anymore

[@rex436]

Just go and give it a try? If you don't like it, don't buy it@@cheapbongs

[@brandonxchang]

Can you guys compare this to the similarly priced Haworth Soji in the next video?

[@Dracconus]

The Soji that would be relatively the same price ($500 USD) has zero adjustability. That's not really a "comparison" For the same amount of adjustability you'd end up paying twice the cost.

[@brandonxchang]

@@Dracconus I ended up getting the Soji. I got adjustable lumbar, 4 way arm rests, adjustable seat and even seat tilt and it was still way cheaper than this.

[@Dracconus]

@@brandonxchang Then there is no way in hell you bought it new from Haworth or several other reputable sellers. That is a 1200 dollar chair fully specced.

[@brandonxchang]

@@Dracconus bro what LOL I got it from Haworth’s website. I think you’re thinking of a different chair. It’s only $450, and then I got a discount during their fall sale so total including shipping was only like $419

[@dagoelius]

Excellent review. For the price Secret Lab charge, they are highly overrated chairs especially for tall guys over 6 ft.

[@TheSydguy30]

100% for $990 (which is what they want for a 2020 Titan in full leather) I can get a V2 ErgoHuman in full leather (fully adjustable everywhere) for $300 less! AND way more comfy.

[@F1_Guy15]

Is this the best of the year?

[@SteveB4829]

How long can we expect any Titan Evo chair cushion to last? My problems with chairs over the years is the cushion/foam wearing out after a year, any thoughts on this?

[@DGneoseeker1]

I've had mine since the original Titan was released. As of the last couple of years it does have wear and tear on the seat cushion but only enough to look bad, not actually effect it meaningfully. The seat cushion is firm and doesn't wear out. The problem is the backrest basically has no cushioning.

[@nikidimitrov1215]

I'm 187cm tall and I wonder what size should I go since I'm in between the regular and the XL...

[@frittesmayo3103]

get the xl

[@jeebtheboss]

One weird point tho: no conclusion, no overall comment. Is it because you don't sell it so you don't wanna say something bad or good about it?

[@btodtv]

Most people skip the conclusion so we have been cutting them down. Hard to believe considering it’s 16 min long. Haha. I think Ryan did a good job saying that if you want a racing style gaming chair, this is probably the best option out there. If you want an ergonomic chair, this is probably not it. Hopefully that helps :) -GK

[@itzjustkris7964]

Just went from a knock off walmart crappy red and black chair to one of these and it’s insane

[@randomtechreviews]

Great review, not as biased and ”bought” as other youtubers. I find it way to hard and lumbar support are very uncomfortable.

[@Meatwad0666]

i want that desk lol link?

[@DGneoseeker1]

Why the hell are they selling chairs with effectively a fake leather coated plank of wood as the backrest? All they need to do is build cushioning into the backrest and I'd consider it a good chair. This is based on me having the original Titan, not the Evo. It does look like the seat cushion is squishier now. Is the backrest any softer on the Evo? On the original I've found the lumbar support to be utterly useless. The backrest itself is rock hard. Hurts me in seconds let alone any longer period of sitting against it.

[@seshasaisrivatsav]

Shipping isn't straight forward, it's not easy to remove the piston once installed. Even if you try the hammer method to pop it out, getting it out of the socket is near impossible. THINK FIVE TIMES BEFORE ORDERING IT. You can't even fit it into a hatchback. Shipping it back costs $150

[@Anderson-n7e3i]

It cost me 170$ to return it. Horrible chair.....

[@n3verend]

Just got mine and the seat is NOT comfortable. His review of the soft side is accurate but the immediate center seat cushion is pretty damn hard and not comfortable at all. Hoping it will break in a little better with some time but overall disappointed and will probably return

[@sbekarton3458]

Its meant to be firm. Its an ergonomic chair if its to soft you will sink down and sit in a position thats bad for your back

[@Anderson-n7e3i]

The seat is rock hard and sadly it does not get any softer, hurt my ass soo bad I had to return it.

[@MJR91]

It really is rock solid, not convinced this could ever be good for posture..

[@Anderson-n7e3i]

@@MJR91 Its not good for your posture & it never gets softer or so called "broke in". Its a line of bs that secretlab uses to trick people. Secretlab would have free returns if they had a good comfortable product. They don't...

[@arnoldkilla]

I am guessing this chairs are made for under 160 pounds, I weight at 250 and my ass goes straight to the bottom 0 comfort.

[@oscareriksson7423]

with their income they should pay for the return shipping cost without doubt, as they legit the most known gaming chairs i've seen, its kinda sad they show their greed

[@TwilitArchon]

Hold on, lemme TL;DW this entire review for everyone "This chair is really nice for the type of chair it is, but man, this $500 gaming chair just isn't as good for me personally as a $2,200 ergonomic chair or any of the other very expensive chairs that we personally sell in our online store, so keep that in mind."

[@xxDxxism]

Thats the whole vibe of this channel. They heavily promote specific ergonomic chairs rather than having a balanced opinion

[@btodtv]

Change the $2,200 to $500 in your comment and you are spot on. It’s a decent chair for what it is but there are better options for the same price from a lot of different sellers. -RB

[@Dubsys]

when he specifically says in the price range and you assume he's talking about chairs that are more expensive maybe you should work on your comprehension skills

[@ordinarypeople801]

Without watchin the vide I will answer you title: Yes it is overrated. Some of my notes after having one (without too much explanation): 1) assembly is not that easy (not hard either) 2) one of the worst armrests on the market - literally everything about them - they are so flimsy... have so much play it them, it is madness 3) lumbar support is so hard, it actually hurts my back more; also it is too high; it should be called "high back" support, not "low back" support; probably that's why Secretlab are selling a separate low back support :) 4) seat is super hard 5) the chair is very heavy and doesn't roll around easy, so if you move a lot - sorryyyy :/ JOKE: the packaging is better engineered than the chair. :) Now I'll watch your video. :)

[@Anderson-n7e3i]

This chair has the most uncomfortable seat ever! At first it was like sitting on a wooden plank and then after about an hour it felt like I was sitting on nails. Cost me $160+ to return it. The rest of the chair is pretty decent.

[@Demon09-_-]

lol I defintely suggest a budget ergo chair or if you are ok with used a used high end ergo chair. herman millers can be ok if you find used and they are not to old as they carry there 12 year warranty just based off the sticker on the bottom of the chair. but if you want new there are some options in the 500+- range id highly suggest finding a place you can test sit chairs though

[@btodtv]

Just a tip, the warranty cannot be transferred on an Aeron -GK

[@Demon09-_-]

@@btodtv all they have ever asked for is the sticker on the bottom. So while it can be transfered they don't require the orginal invoice to prove its not

[@Anderson-n7e3i]

@@Demon09-_- I went with an X3 xchair ultra wide, memory foam. About $1200 but it is the most comfortable chair. I sat in about 20 different chairs at a showroom and it was the best that was under $2000. I can sit in it for 8-12 hours and it feels like I'm sitting on a cloud and has excellent lumbar support. Herman miller chairs sucked and were not comfortable i.m.o.

[@Demon09-_-]

@@Anderson-n7e3i ah yea understandable chairs are kinda like bike seats they can be very personal since we all are built and sit different. I use an embody daily but its a chair that punishes bad sitting and is not comfy but more supportive. but glad you found the chair that works for you

[@kilruna]

please check the ergotopia masterback!

[@meat_loves_wasabi]

16:03 pure bliss

[@grimshawss4577]

I have an xl viego edition titan evo 2022 and i had two slight issue but secretlabs helped me fix those by sending parts other than that i love the chair and have no problems with it. I also move alot on the chair and didnt have any issues yet

[@StevenSteele]

Just got this model, I like everything about it except how stiff it is. I hope that changes over time.

[@TheBigEmstos]

It won't.

[@jeebtheboss]

Super stiff, right? But I can’t say yet if I like it stiff or not. Because at the end I have no back pain anymore. Yesterday I spent almost 17 hours straight in it working and streaming, and I still felt good leaving it going to sleep, no ass pain or back pain. So I don’t know

[@christofferandersson3322]

I sold mine cuz it was to damn stiff, ass pain within one hour

[@emrys95]

I dont understand, he says the seat is soft and pushed it and it's soft?

[@patrickkellaher9673]

yeah I just bought this chair and I can't believe how hard the seat is. I came from an Ikea chair and it was half the price and more comfortable (and fits me better)... the arm rests are also like rocks as well... I think he got paid for this review.

[@Nononomo90]

Depends on who you are If you cant affort it: its overrated If you can afford it: its amazing

[@destyrian]

Softer seat? Unless you are comparing it to sitting on a concrete block, this seat isn't soft at all. I hate it.

[@lilv728]

My chair is perfectly silent but the lumbar does occasionally creak. That being said I didn't go leather I got the fabric so maybe that's why

[@potatochalbro]

This is a very good review! I bought this chair, I like it a lot but it's true I don't have much experience with chairs. However for a gamer who just wants a good gaming chair this is a great choice.

[@jakesmith9509]

What about this one vs the Razer Iskur?

[@bobz5]

I got the Evo 2022 as a gift had no idea the cost or quality. I have to say overall it's very cheaply made even with the leather edition i have. The knobs and lumbar adjusters are very cheaply made, plastic flimsy for this price point. The magnetic arm rest are nice but mine have unfinished areas underneath. Most of the functions of the chair are very clunky simply raising the height or lowering the back is not a high end experience. I'm shocked at the price of this chair coming from a Herman Miller there simply is no comparison. This chair feels like a cheap $150 chair at best. The only thing i did like was the pillow and the idea of replacable magnetic parts.

[@Rain-Dirt]

Hahaha, his face when he was actually done adjusting the seat when laying backwards xD He enjoyed it alright!

[@WigglesTheDuck]

AVOID their PU leather (or any pleather for that matter) at all costs. It will not last more than 2-3 years until it starts to peel, regardless of how well you take care of it. And honestly for the price tag, yes it's a comfy chair with great features, but apart from its unique designs, it's not THAT much better than say a DX Racer or any other bucket gaming chair. Highly unnecessary unless perhaps if you're a growing streamer where aesthetic almost matters. Stick with a high quality office chair otherwise with real leather or mesh and it'll last ages under decent care.

[@jeebtheboss]

Great review guys! I ordered mine some days ago (softweave tho, not the leather one), and I hope I'm gonna be happy with it. I'm not a gamer but a poker player. However like a gamer I use my chair for watching movies, eating in front of my computer, resting, etc.. Ive tried a couple of ergo chairs (ergohuman, and some steelcase), but I found the price very high for what it is (and no second hand in south east asia...). Ok, they were comfy overall, but not blown minding. So I decided to give a try to that Titan Evo 2022, let's hope I wont regret it

[@alexvswrld]

did you regret it?

[@jeebtheboss]

@@alexvswrld nope, I love it ! It's a nice multitask chair, you can use it as an office chair, but also as a comfort chair, laying back, putting your feet on the chair when you want to make yourself comfortable, crossing your legs on it. I don't think I would recommend it as a 100% office chair, but as a home/office/gaming chair, it's perfect

[@alexvswrld]

@@jeebtheboss Thank you for that. I just purchased an ergonomic chair around the same price as the secretlab but it's been giving me back pain instead of helping it lol. I'll have to look into the SecretLab more...

[@jeebtheboss]

@@alexvswrld well, I had some back pain before, and now I don't. However I don't advise this chair to short people (below 172/175cm, forget it). Why? Because the seat is super deep, and people with short legs will have their calves pressing the seat, not comfortable at all. Especially knowing that the chair does not go down enough from my point of view. But the good point with the deep seat (and that's why many gamers like that chair) is that it is super comfortable when you cross your legs in it, or put your feet on the ledge of the seat. Plenty of space. That's definitely a seat which who you wanna play with, changing position with your legs, laying down for being more comfy, etc.. but keeping your back straight at the same time.

[@philippw4769]

@@alexvswrld Which chair did you get? and did it get better over the last month?

[@brandhark7935]

Hate me or love me, I sat in one the other day and it was hands down the best office or gaming chair I've ever sat in, I bought one.

[@QuandarNl]

It's great for gaming. But for office work I use an other chair. When I switch to gaming, gaming chair everyday.