#audio #audiophile #hifi Hello Tribe ! Here is an explanation on the distinction between these types of hookup for your speakers.
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@EnemyofCredulity Жыл бұрын
Thank you. I think you are the first person to explain how to set those styles up, instead of just explaining what the effects are.
@BoredSilly666 Жыл бұрын
Another Cool video Mikey, I knew this but still a great explanation for the folk that dont know. I currently have a Bi amp set up using two amps and have tried them in Horizontal and Vertical configurations. I have never tried active Bi-amping. More Power Captain lol
@FOH3663 Жыл бұрын
- The last thing an amp needs is a reactive filter in front of the driver. - Unless it's purely resistive, a driver has it's own reactance ... introducing another reactive element (x-over), compounds the issue. Active reigns supreme ... as long as gain structure is optimized. Forced to go passive, ... then it's vital it's executed well, ie., fast, no smear... absent magnetic interactions, just a well crafted whole. If multi-amping via dsp, the caveat is the minefield of digital conversion. It's either adequately transparent, or not. Not just the D-to-A, but the input side must not step on the signal. DSP at the highest level can offer everything. Also, it's worth noting ... bi-wiring is loudspeaker dependent. Nice milieu
@damayor62 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!! You have explained bi-wiring more logically than I was ever able to. Personally I heard increased sound stage depth, width & height immediately with bi-wiring. I'm going to share this video with all my friends who have dual binding posts on their speakers. You have a new subscriber.
@OCDHIFiGuy Жыл бұрын
Glad it helped! Thanks !
@shelly6482 Жыл бұрын
BI-WIRING makes a difference first heard it playing with a pair of Kef Q300 speakers. But some people say its just another pair of cables to pick up more EMI. But you can tune the highs and lows with different cables which is cool. So yeah still doing BI-WIRING and its not a scam to make you BUY more wire hehe.
@TriAmpHiFi Жыл бұрын
Aaahh, sweet validation. 🔈🔉🔊
@3dfx243 Жыл бұрын
right on. your 4 amp, active crossover (4 way) setup parallels the B&W nautilus setup.. yes the speakers that look like they came from the movie aliens. 😀
@MisterChibs Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video! My Cornwall 4’s have 4 binding posts per speaker and when I contacted Klipsch, they told me to plug my speaker cables into the bottom set of each speaker. 😮 Subscribing 🍻
@jimbreakall9331 Жыл бұрын
Hi Mikey Brother. You should have stopped in Monterey/Carmel on your way south, my old stomping grounds !!!! I have been biamping and triamping since the 1970s and you are correct about this being the best way to go. As you well know, the ear/brain system is very sensitive to intermodulation distortion (IMD) (mixing of different frequencies creating new frequencies not in the original music). Separating the frequency ranges before the amps with an active crossover reduces IMD tremendously. I like you use monoblocks on each speaker (6 total for triamping). Biamping is way better especially with an active crossover than just doing bi-wiring. Hey, enjoy the travels and the food. Buen Provecho !!!!
@bradrose6323 Жыл бұрын
Wow finally an explanation that the average person can understand instead of someone trying to prove how knowledgeable they are by confusing everyone
@dragocelander6671 Жыл бұрын
Great explanation in another great video, Mikey!
@lionblack6023 Жыл бұрын
Nice one Mikey. Always informative.
@zackw4941 Жыл бұрын
My uncle used to mess around with DIY omnidirectional speakers and active crossovers. His system is still the most impressive thing I've ever heard. And I own pretty ok stuff.
@06sxt3 ай бұрын
I have been running fully active x overs for years in car systems! Always wondered why it isnt more of a thing with home systems. I use sub, low , mid and high in my vehicle. Have crossover, level and phase for every driver and 30 bands of eq each side. Far superior to passive BS!
@jasonw512 Жыл бұрын
Great video, Mike. 👍
@glenncurry3041 Жыл бұрын
One point of correction. Mids and tweeters produce a counter EMF as well. Connect one to a mic input and talk to it! Coils moving in a magnetic field. But yes it is best to provide a separate path because the woofer's CEMF is much stronger.
@OCDHIFiGuy Жыл бұрын
Mid and tweet back EMF are so negligible, we don't even address it in HiFi...
@glenncurry3041 Жыл бұрын
@@OCDHIFiGuy There is a big difference between "so negligible", yes significantly lower in voltage, and not being interlegible. You will find the better amp companies will rate the Damping Factor across the bandwidth for that reason. The standard is only @ 100Hz. And it easily explains some of the very audible difference between wire types at higher frequencies.
@GavinHodgson Жыл бұрын
Good tips Mikey
@OCDHIFiGuy Жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@billfarrell4387 Жыл бұрын
Hi Mikey I can see you have a California vibe going you seem so calm lol Great video, while I do have my biwiring correct, I did learn a little more on the reasoning, you can never have to much knowledge Take Care
@akhtarizod5802 Жыл бұрын
It's very hard and tricky to control natural response curve of a drivers with active crossover , passive crossover use notch filters to compensate frequency humps to achieve flat response.
@OCDHIFiGuy Жыл бұрын
Yes, its true !
@petekutheis3822 Жыл бұрын
Mikey, thanks for this; it seems a response to the message I sent to you at your consulting contact address. This video, as well as the ones that went over your customized XM44, and the Sublime unit you sell, along with several emails I exchanged with Phil Marchand have convinced me it will be ok to take the plunge without having to necessarily dismantle the speakers' built-in crossover. So, I do have a 3-way XM44 on the way.
@OCDHIFiGuy Жыл бұрын
Great !
@johnnorris7289 Жыл бұрын
Your comments about bi-amping are right on - if a bit extreme. But the thing that all bi-wirers miss is that whether the woofers and tweeters are tied together at the back of the speaker or at the amp, they are still tied together and both scenarios are the same electrically. Also, the whole back EMF thing feeding back to the tweeter is nonsense because of the series capacitors in the crossover. Bi-wiring is just a way to entice naive audiophiles to spend twice as much on expensive speaker wires.
@linandy1 Жыл бұрын
Its really called BUY wire 😉
@PlatypusPerspective Жыл бұрын
"both scenarios are the same electrically" - this is often said both by commenters and content creators, however in reality it's not so. It's one of those things that gets taken as a "fact" simply because it keeps being stated as a given, and the majority of people (even well qualified ones) don't think carefully about it. A proper circuit analysis is not hard to do, and reveals that the two configurations have significant differences in the way they function passing signals at different frequencies. The current paths are quite different - they are largely separated so potential for less intermodulation. The crossover networks are better separated (less interaction) by the amplifier's low output impedance appearing at the center of two long wires connecting the crossovers together, rather than the crossovers being directly connected to one another at the speaker. Again, the current paths and the position of the amplifier damping impedance in relation to the reactive components are different between the two scenarios. Merely looking at a wiring diagram or even DC measuring with a meter doesn't make these differences apparent.
@johnnorris7289 Жыл бұрын
@@PlatypusPerspective That is the same kind of pseudo-scientific nonsensical word salad that I would expect from a hawker selling multi-kilobuck speaker wire. Whether the connection is made at the speaker or at the amp, it is still electrically the same point. Back EMF from the woofer will still be felt by the tweeter, and intermodulation will still exist between drivers, to exactly the same extent either way. You'd have to be inordinately gullible to think there is a difference.
@PlatypusPerspective Жыл бұрын
@@johnnorris7289 Amusingly, it's often the ones opposing bi-wiring who propose the high cost alternatives - bi-amping, or magic money wire with the four expensive interconnecting loops to take the place of the janky links under the binding posts. Anyone who would like to try out bi-wiring for themselves has only to find some reasonable cable, even if it's lamp flex, run the extra connections and do lots of low-cost listening and comparison to see if they can detect any audible difference. Bi-amping is the only one of the three that can completely isolate the LF and HF driver/crossover circuits. However the science of it is that the behavior of a circuit is determined by the laws of physics, whether or not we like how it turns out. And it turns out that a bi-wire configuration does provide a bit more attenuation between the sections on the signal input side. And when bi-wiring, on the negative return side neither section is aware of the other's existence (star earthing), whereas with a single wire return, since both return currents travel in the same wire (common earth path), both sections see a small component of the other section's signal. Since this is one of the possible paths of electrical interaction between the LF and HF sections and the effect exists in single-wiring but not in bi-wiring, we have no option but to recognize that there is a difference. In fact it's one of the fundamentals of circuit design not to fall into thinking that whether you connect to one end or the other of a circuit path it's still electrically the same point. The engineer who trained me in electronics witnessed a hugely expensive mistake in the development of an early electronic targeting system from this cause, when someone non-technical in authority, without consulting engineering and without understanding that changing points of attachment altered current paths and changed the way circuits worked, sent a module design to be converted and manufactured as Thick Film Units instead of the very carefully developed and trace mapped conventional circuit boards. The TFUs simply didn't work. Fortunately between single-wiring a speaker and bi-wiring it, only a few small changes occur, which may or may not make an audible difference, but it would still be a mistake to say there is no difference in the circuit when there are differences, or to say nothing changes when something does.
@andreas7278Ай бұрын
Would you mind doing a video about your private 4 way active crossover biamping setup, i.e. why you chose to do it that specific way and which biamping setups you generally consider to be good and why? That would surely be one hell of a video.
@OCDHIFiGuyАй бұрын
4 way active crossover = Quad Amp not Biamp which would be a 2 way active crossover. I did it to seek the best possible sonic, regardless. I found it. But it's not easily repeatable, and it only teases people coming to buy.
@andreas7278Ай бұрын
@@OCDHIFiGuy My bad for using biamping in this case, it is quad amping of course. These NAT monoblocks just gave me the idea of maybe getting them with an active crossover for bass in conjunction with my parallel set monos which only run in biwiring right now. I have seen and heard those at shows but was not aware that they drive 2 ohms easily.
@meticulous_al Жыл бұрын
Nice job!
@andrewrees8749 Жыл бұрын
I've biamped my Arcam system, with a Rotel power amp, never quite happy with it though, I'm sure there is room for improvement ,
@AllboroLCD Жыл бұрын
I wanna safely assume when its a dinky bookshelf unit with dual posts, theyre encouraging bi-wiring, and when your talkin large towers, theyre suggesting that bi-amping will draw the max performance.
@OCDHIFiGuy Жыл бұрын
makes sense to me....
@chebrubin Жыл бұрын
The monster McIntosh amps have tri-wire binding posts to complete their speaker arrays. Would you use them?
@OCDHIFiGuy Жыл бұрын
If I had those amps which I dont really like I would absolutely tri wire if the speakers could ..
@privateuser7726 Жыл бұрын
What about B & W 800D3 speakers? , the 4 binding posts are all in one row with little jumpers, which are the highs & the lows? I just got them , going to Bi Amp them after I figure out a permanent solution to keep my toy poodles from chewing the speaker cables off when I'm out.
@FOH3663 Жыл бұрын
Use a battery to pulse the driver ... you'll immediately know which is which.
@peterjameswalmsley9185 Жыл бұрын
You mentioned at the end of your video "if you have four outputs on the amp use them for bi-wiring" but I have concerns. - My amplifier says "A or B 4-16 ohms A & B 8-16 ohms" I'm worried about damaging my speakers which say "4-8 ohms" Is this safe??
@OCDHIFiGuy Жыл бұрын
Great distinction... This can be confusing. These are 2 SEPERATE dual outputs. NOT COMBINED dual outputs to facilitate bi amping. you only want to use the 4-16 OHM taps on the speakers..
@brikaf6001 Жыл бұрын
keep checking in brother
@derekviveiros Жыл бұрын
So I tried this on my vintage Yamaha ca-1010 with my wharfdale 80th anniversary's. I used to have usher be718 and primaluna tube amp and did this then and it really helped. Totally forgot about it on this smaller set up. GREAT TIP on the highs being on top dual post when not biamping. Question 1: I was kind of surprised when shifting from speaker A and B on the amp. I thought the highs and lows would be more separated. What does that speak to? The crossover? (after watching the last part of the video, I think this is what you're addressing in having an active crossover) Question 2: How does it work when we combine the wire on the amp side? It's amazing how putting them together (A+B) makes these two odd sounds all come together.
@OCDHIFiGuy Жыл бұрын
Im sorry, Ive got no idea what speaker A and B is. Do you mean dual zone like on a receiver ? if so, No Se Amigo... You should most likely NOT combine those.. you twist the wire together for ONE PAIR of binding posts ONLY. Im talking about high end amplifiers that have 4 right and 4 Left outputs on the power amp...all on the same circuit however (Not speaker A and B)
@derekviveiros Жыл бұрын
@@OCDHIFiGuy Ok, update: I did not combine any wires on the 4 channel Yamaha. So speaker A from the yamaha went to highs on the speaker, Speaker B went to lows. Is this the correct application of bi amping? This is the A+B setting under "Speakers" on the Yamaha. Please confirm, I dont' wanna eff up my system lol
@andrewboettcher9853 Жыл бұрын
You sound a bit under the weather. Get well bro!
@202One Жыл бұрын
High-Low.. 🤔🏝
@OCDHIFiGuy Жыл бұрын
Whaaaaaa?
@202One Жыл бұрын
@@OCDHIFiGuy Bi amping & enjoy the Sunshine..
@davethestalker Жыл бұрын
And then, there are multichannel systems with 6 height speakers.
@OCDHIFiGuy Жыл бұрын
That's Home Theater.... ;-)
@bubblehead5394 Жыл бұрын
IDK Man. I'm picking up what you're putting down. But to me, it sounds like subjective B.S. Nevertheless, I'll still give it try because I don't know everything.......yet. 😉
@OCDHIFiGuy Жыл бұрын
Trying things to decide for yourself is always the best method. !
@mikegoddard7354 Жыл бұрын
what's a quality active crossover for the poor audiophile? :D
@dajikbatarang1 Жыл бұрын
Sublime acoustic makes one that’s supposed to be good.
@OCDHIFiGuy Жыл бұрын
Sublime Acoustic.
@mikegoddard7354 Жыл бұрын
@@OCDHIFiGuy is there any benefit if the speaker already has an internal crossover? I believe you did mention that, just double checking
@bobinobobinet5533 Жыл бұрын
il en a fumer du bon lui
@OCDHIFiGuy Жыл бұрын
Allumez-le en feu
@freeradical6390 Жыл бұрын
Cool vid audiophiles always wanted to see..... Electron Microscope slow motion video of vinyl LP by Applied Science on utube includes other formats too
@j.m.harris4202 Жыл бұрын
I will leave Passive Crossovers to Danny! Learning now about Active Crossovers! Watched some of your older Presentations! They are very Edifying, Especially about your Active Setup! Mikey, you are way Ahead of the Curve Bro! Be Careful Rocking with your ¿☆€~ out in the Hotel California! 🏨