Conlanging Case Study: Part 15 - When Vowels Attack

[@InezAllen]

29:56 i had a solid gigglefit at "yiiy" cause it made me think of that dino video where they guy goes "yee"

[@daandebacker3967]

"Wich means that whole thing would just turn into... Oy" hahaha that made me laugh

[@karlmachnow4961]

Right at "Thanks for tuning in" the video stopped because my internet broke down.

[@tolkiendil4806]

He's really in love with those final -aan's

[@ulrikahaggard9923]

"ngl that final -aan's gon make me act up" -Biblaridion 2020

[@bananamanjunior7575]

I love your content man alien biosystem is the reason why I'm becoming a biologist and why I smoke weed thanks man

[@lukesmith8896]

#NotLikeTheresAnythingWrongWithThatUnlessYoureDriving

[@Paulito-ym4qc]

i relate so strongly with this comment, it's quisitatentive, almost

[@eyemotif]

i-

[@goldeviolets4314]

#justdontdrivewhilesmokingweedthoyoudoyou

[@w.d.gaster3261]

@@Paulito-ym4qc Quisitatentive?

[@Alice-gr1kb]

YAY BIB IS FULL TIME!!!! CONGRATS!!

[@ancientswordrage]

A Bib behind-the-scenes rant! For free!

[@nia5032]

Last time i was this early, native Proto-Indo-European speakers were still alive

[@scptime1188]

Imagine if we could know how PIE was spoken with enough certainty so that people started learning it again and there were new native speakers. 🤔

[@1nestar]

@@scptime1188 You could just make a conlang by evolving it from P.I.E

[@cupcakkeisaslayqueen]

I actually have a project like this, but Japonic does not exist in that project since it's a branch spoken in Japan instead of the Japonic family ​@@1nestar

[@jrfw96]

We all appreciate the alien biosphere videos but seriously dont burn yourself out doing 18 hour days if you dont want to! No one wants you getting stressed about making videos, keep it fun for yourself! Other than that, congrats on going full time on youtube!

[@PigglePigSwillbucket]

Thanks for sharing your rant - I like knowing what goes on behind the scenes - it makes be appreciate your hard work more

[@ArturoStojanoff]

We really don't notice if the videos are a few hours later. Don't worry too much.

[@TheAnalyticalEngine]

Everything changed when the vowel nation attacked

[@psygamez7727]

A, e, u, i. My grandmother used to tell me stories about the old days.

[@TheButterKing1000]

In my opinion it would be a good idea to keep the /w/ from /u/ + stressed vowel and do some funky labialization things with it. Like atuaakya could become atwaay, and you could do something like /tw/ > /p/ which would result in even more fun alternations. Otherwise I think something should be done with the labial besides just deleting it.

[@orion410]

Is the tw to p thing a sound change? Do you know what languages it happened in?

[@onmyway3139]

@@orion410 I know I'm 7 months late but anyway: /kw/ and /gw/ turned into p and b respectively in Romanian between a vowel and /a/ so I don't think it's impossible for /tw/ to turn into /p/ too

[@kakahass8845]

@@onmyway3139 I know I'm eleventh months late but apparently it happened once in Proto-Abazgi.

[@harper5128]

been a fan since how to make a language and i'm really happy to hear you're going full time with the channel, there really is no one else with content like yours

[@schurch1569]

Omg biblaridion and nativlang in one day... this is heaven

[@Alice-gr1kb]

WAIT NATIVLANG TOO??????

[@qwertyTRiG]

NativLang broke my brain. I knew hieroglyphics were complicated, but hoo boy!

[@schurch1569]

@@qwertyTRiG yeah same lol, at some point I just gave up and listened to the story

[@tolkiendil4806]

It is indeed

[@kiyonmusic]

And Artifexian a few days ago

[@ancientswordrage]

Bib, you main strength you bring to the channel is your diction and narration. You're a great conlanger too, but there's no shame in getting help pre-recording to nail down sound changes using technology

[@TAP7a]

The Discord was on fire during that upload period, my goodness

[@Alice-gr1kb]

the main one or the Tira one?

[@TAP7a]

@@Alice-gr1kb main one

[@TheZetaKai]

As for sound change appliers, I prefer to use the SCA2 from Zompist. It's a basic, no frills, free, web-based option. It has some limitations in what it can do, and it's not the most user-friendly thing, but it's simple, well documented, and the inputs are very intuitive. George Corley of the Conlangery podcast recommends the Phonix sound change applier. According to him, the interface is very easy to use, and it has a number of powerful features that other SCAs don't, such as the implementation of supersegmentals like tones and stress. I haven't tried it yet, but it sounds appealing.

[@Alice-gr1kb]

25:07 Omg i say that too about my conlangs like “whose idea was it for all this fortition to happen when you conjugate a verb”

[@scptime1188]

This is not the first time I've felt bad for bib because of hiw much effort he goes through to make the alien biospheres videos.

[@aniketanpelletier82]

I love your content so much. When I see that you've uploaded, my day gets 50% better. Thank you. I'm so happy that you've gone full time.

[@Riurelia]

I tried to find a sound change applier, and now I know why you don't use them.

[@Alice-gr1kb]

yeah theyre so clunky id rather just memorize my sound changes

[@julianolotero6600]

I have no clue what's really happening here. I still watched 19 minutes of it before being certain I don't know what's happening.

[@lukesmith8896]

I am extremely excited for every new Alien Biospheres video.

[@applerunner]

So with sound change appliers the biggest issue for me is anything with supersegmentals (e.g. stress based vowel changes or tones) can be super hard to implement. Also vowel harmony would probably be annoying to deal with in sound change applier. The Lexurgy sound change applier seems to fix a bunch of other minor problems with them but I haven't done an actual conlang through it yet. And moreover it does it by making it more like programming to give you the complexity that to do thinks natlangs do all the time and you can do by hand easily, such as complex conditionals.

[@womtv69]

Happy Holidays! Congratulations on becoming full time! I cannot wait to see what great content you will create in the new year!

[@Wonderland_Jutomi]

5:17 literally me, and I'm a stinking robot.

[@benvel3392]

18 hours a day?!

[@samwoods4518]

Congratulations on becoming full-time! I know its a big leap for pretty much any KZbinr who had a full time job, so hope all goes well!!!!

[@pogeman2345]

Idea for a future feature focus: Levels of Politeness. Something like Japanese's keigo and other parts of East Asia. I find it hard to get ideas on how to put politeness into verbs and how different words became associated with respect while others became associated with casualness or even rudeness.

[@LeChaunce]

Regarding sound change appliers, have you checked out Lexurgy yet? It's what David J. Peterson and Dr. Jessie Sams have been using for the 'Possum Tongue over on LangTimeStudio, and you can set it up so that you can apply your changes using typical linguistic sound change descriptions. The how: www.meamoria.com/lexurgy/html/sc-dsl.html The what: www.meamoria.com/lexurgy/app/sc

[@kevincsellak296]

The first two rows of auxiliaries alternate between kya and sya. I don’t know if that’s relevant and whether or not it would amount in any difference in resulting forms, but you might want to look at it again.

[@nexusoflife]

I am very grateful for Alien Biospheres but if you're working 18 hours a day to make it happen, it's ok to take a break when you need to!

[@Spiceonthehill]

i almost got a heart attack when i heard bib say that he is going full time but then i remembered the american dollar is worth seven times as much as my country's currency so he's fine

[@sumwon6973]

He lives in Scotland last time I checked

[@tolkiendil4806]

@@sumwon6973 The sterling pound is doing well too

[@goldeviolets4314]

The Pound Sterling is another very strong currency

[@Zuzentasun]

well I live in hungary, 1 forint is 340 dollars...

[@jrfw96]

@@Zuzentasun Do you mean 1 dollar is 340 forint?

[@jacobtucker8758]

I would suggest using this sound change applier: www.zompist.com/sca2.html Press the "Help me!" button to learn how to use it

[@masturchyf8536]

Congrats for going full time

[@kevincsellak296]

Well, your patrons do get SOME personal gains from funding you; they get to see your content! Still, they don't HAVE to pay you for it, so you're right. Hamilton's rule has been beaten by kindness

[@zanziboi]

You should be careful when you do all those sound assimilations and sound dropping. There's gonna be a lot of words that are homophones

[@taporpeen5652]

YES CONGRATS ON GOING FULL TIME

[@isaactan8324]

'If 'I'm going to' can get away with two syllables in english...' Two!? I've, depending on circumstances, used anywhere from the full 5 to 2 in I'mna, or even one as a sort of incoherent Ia or Iya or just A.

[@SharkFin87]

HE’S FULL TIME HELL YES!

[@TheMew35]

If you put „suba-“ together with „suu“, can there be „subru“? Because you said that you cant have a „u“ in these words.

[@br2485]

Yiiy!

[@matthewjohnson320]

Did you get 5+6=4? It seems to have been broken back into separate forms. Happy New Year!

[@kevincsellak296]

KZbin chapter auto-generation be like: I'm cornlanging some subpletive forms here.

[@edwardwelsh3202]

Thanks for the video and congrats on going full time! :)

[@mr_JackSchwarze]

Good 0 dislikes. It is perfect

[@Mr.Nichan]

I like "idrë".

[@enigmaticemolga]

Manual sound change gang

[@MGDrzyzga]

Sound changer programs? Sounds cool. More for your audience than you, since you don't use them - but are there any good starting points? Because my current application is generating setting-specific terms by linguistic evolution of English roots. I wonder if a sound changer could streamline the process of picking impactful drifts. Example: I want to separately drift "technology" and "archaeology", and then elide together the drifted forms.

[@MGDrzyzga]

Come to think of it, eliding and then drifting them would also be of interest. And having the two related but different words would be fitting for this world. As long as they're not too close, this would kinda be like having the words for "wizard" and "fool" be etymologically related. The different timings of the elisions would capture the different contexts.

[@abigailross1890]

Sound change appliers and i dont get along either -.-

[@Marek_Chojnacki]

You cannot have a "ġoka" affix, because you said you won't have any mid vowels in the proto language (unless I'm misunderstanding something). Also, congratulations on going full time on youtube.

[@rubbedibubb5017]

He said i and u turn into e and o next to pharyngeal consonants and q which is pretty common.

[@Marek_Chojnacki]

@@rubbedibubb5017 ​ Well then if the affixes are incorporated after the vowels are lowered, then the "gqu" affix would be "gqo", which is clearly not the case (unless the error is in "gqu" and not in "ġoka").

[@rubbedibubb5017]

@@Marek_Chojnacki that’s true. It could be a mistake combined with the u -> o change in some way. Idk

[@SodaliteSabre]

*offers congratulatory hugs!*

[@Vorobushkin]

Привет от русскоговорящих фанатов!

[@kevincsellak296]

By the way, in the protolang, abstract inanimates shouldn't take class markers, right? Otherwise, verbal nouns would have to do so too.

[@sumwon6973]

Wow! Full time! Good for you and good for us!

[@48lexr66]

What keyboard do you use to get the dotted symbols and symbols not on the English-International keyboard for Windows?

[@wtc5198]

Gboard has plenty of keyboards

[@Coolducky2]

I liked the ki-derivations but I guess it didn't align with the aesthetics you were pursuing for this lang.

[@30IYouTube]

HAMITON'S RULE IS A LIE IS A LIE

[@R0mm3n]

Yeey, new one!!!

[@jessehunter362]

automating chapters…. cornlanging

[@arnisbite3274]

I don't know why, but why do conlangs sound so edgy, not like smooth like natural languages?

[@rubbedibubb5017]

Shouldn’t -a-tu-hin have been -a-hin-tu since yiu changed the accusative from -a-ta-hin to -a-hin-ta?

[@mgreen2541]

-a and -ta are separate affixes and -atu is one affix. -a is the inanimate class affix and -ta is the singulative number affix tacked on (5+6). whereas -atu is just the animate pl. affix which is already fused (4). -tu doesn't exist. At least that's my understanding.

[@asloii_1749]

hi

[@plant5875]

ayo

[@AstronautaVerdadeiro_77]

Yayyy

[@wtc5198]

YIIY

[@AnastasiiaKomisar]

when will there be a new part of alien biospheres?

[@k.umquat8604]

Yayy

[@straft5759]

yaay

[@Marek_Chojnacki]

kiaakya

[@straft5759]

@@Marek_Chojnacki aqah*ah*an