Biboo was in Disbelief After Finding Out that Cecilia Using Keyboard in Lies of P and Sekiro

[@BlueLoveYT]

Biboo looking at keyboard users like they killed someone

[@chriswihulu]

Funny, it's usually the other way around, in my experience 😂😂😂

[@Ragnell123]

@@chriswihulu For everything except souls-likes

[@DiggitySlice]

When it comes to Soulslike games, she's 100% right

[@jesusalburgue8497]

​​@@DiggitySlicenah, it just that people that plays on controller don't know how to play soulsgames on keyboard, you don't have to use mouse to be honest, just use JKLI as keys to move the camera and is okay

[@coalstar9030]

@@jesusalburgue8497 I remember in nioh I used the mouse to steer my character basically, so attack using keyboard ubttons then I'd whip my mouse around to change my direction, so no tab lock

[@impakt0]

Lies of C. Lmao 🤣

[@narunwatkawasan9458]

Biboo and CC shake hand CC: "Im using keyboard" on soul-like game Biboo: wash her hand

[@mahapatrasohamm]

I can see that. Oh god, someone please, animate or create and art of that. That’s so good.

[@TeaToaster]

Idk if she explained it in detail herself but I think Ceci literally can't hold a controller even if she wanted to. During Zelda streams she said she played it by putting joycons on pillows and using them like a keyboard, and Uruka from Phase Connect mentioned that from playing violin her hands are shaking when she holds them in wrong way so maybe Ceci could have similar issue when holding a controller.

[@bhirawamaylana466]

Because it is, there 7 common Hand Injuries that all musician suffer and I think Cecil have carpal tunnel syndrome which quite common for Violin player.

[@asteriskonline3494]

Wow, at first laughing, but now I just feel bad.

[@jomujomu7513]

oh now this is kinda depressing. damn pianist and violinist are a different breed to still play after destroying their hands

[@sparko9662]

Wait, so like if she holding something in the air she must hold it in a way like a violin or else she will be shaking? That's just really ironic.

[@Silent-qs6sb]

I have a friend who plays violin regularly, and she also can't really hold a controller for too long because it feels weird and uncomfortable for her hands.

[@NeuronActivation]

Beejoes expression when CC revealed she uses keyboard lol

[@dimasstrandom6406]

0:28 run biboo

[@dex3625]

musicians usually develop carpal tunnel syndrome and can't really use controllers that much

[@Momoyon]

"Lies of CC" LMAOOO

[@generalimlerith8356]

As someone who uses only keyboard and mouse cecila is a great inspiration to me lol

[@bhirawamaylana466]

Keyboard Warrior Assemble.

[@jordanholloman5907]

Irys is the Gilgamesh of keyboards.

[@AUM_-po9sc]

​@@jordanholloman5907, and Reine (?)

[@jordanholloman5907]

@@AUM_-po9sc I didn't know about her keyboard collection.

[@rad_rex]

Here on duty, sir I have played Lies of P, sekiro, eldenring, dark souls, dmc5, god of war with keyboard and mouse. And my dream is to play Bloodborne with keyboard and mouse on my pc

[@jordanholloman5907]

@@rad_rex I played Hyperdimension Neptunia Rebirths 1 and 2 on mouse and keyboard.

[@martinbergen2963]

She said she can't, its probably an injury from playing violin 😅

[@kokonut5]

Totally relate with CC. Ive been playing ER with kb for some ongodly reason as well

[@cuttlefish6839]

To be fair to CC she likely has carpal tunnel so it's not like she doesn't want to but more like she can't

[@MinJyo-Ciel]

It doesnt stop ther biboo When she plays switch games she lays down the joycons on her desk and uses it like a keyboard As someone who cant use controllers fpr the life of me she makes me feel valid AHAHAHA

[@flashtheshapeshafter]

I don't know how I keep finding ways to Vibe with biboo but she's a real Miracle worker😂

[@yupebet]

Keyboard team! ✊

[@ethanfreeman1106]

"Lies of C" is actually genius lmao

[@OneArmedWolfshinobi]

Keyboard&Mouse(KBM) gang, *unite!* I finished my 1st playthrough of Elden Ring with KBM, planning to do the same with Sekiro, Lies of p and Black myth wukong too!🤟🏻👀

[@MrSpragueMikuHatsune]

i only use controller for racing games

[@tiredmann]

Surprisingly, you actually get used to keyboard and mouse with these types of games. I had to learn KBM at scratch against Malenia in 3 days because I didn't have a controller at the time lol.

[@rad_rex]

It is just state of mind ​@@tiredmann I have played above mentioned and completed Dmc 5 on dante must die with k&m. Completed bloody place with biboo's waifu and his brother

[@alonsogabriel9336]

Biboo: 'Why arent you using a controller to play a game?! CC: 'I BOUGHT A PC TO PLAY IN THE PC, IMMA USE THE PC CONTROLS!'

[@fahrenheit1522]

As a "controller" user, approve 😌

[@MrSporkster]

Biboo's 'I don't know if I can help you, man' is killing me. 😂

[@KABLAMMATS]

Bro, she's really good with the keyboard, even better in Sekiro than sober Biboo with controller

[@ilven1865]

Really hard to compare. Biboo did demon bell + charmless challenge. Hard to scale their progress with this factor.

[@OneArmedWolfshinobi]

@@ilven1865 What I want to see is co-op between Biboo & Cece in shadow of erdtree 👀

[@ilven1865]

@@OneArmedWolfshinobi That would be fun but i think it will never happen. Get perms for mod for seemless coop could be just impossible. As far as i understand this perms hell. And without this mod doing coop in ER very hard. On other hand race like Gura and Fauna did with DS1 can be fun too.

[@OneArmedWolfshinobi]

@@ilven1865 Oh..the 'defeat 3 first bosses challenge' DS remastered'? That was actually fun! Maybe Biboo & Cece can do speedrun challenge for ER, example; who can take down most shardbearer in 3hours or smth like that.

[@tiredmann]

@@OneArmedWolfshinobi I wish they did more things like that, I remember back then some members of HoloEN did an elden ring challenge to see who beats Tree Sentinel first with Wretch Preset.

[@santiagomoralesgarcia1802]

I can't play gmes like sekiro, DMC serie, souls games or similar games with a keyboard and mouse (the only game i was able to play woth that set was witcher 2), but i am good playing third person shooter and FPS gmes with keyboard and mouse

[@majesticfox]

For dmc are we talking dmc 1-4, or DmC remake and DMC5? Because those had entirely different keyboard mapping. dmc 1-4 were trash mapping, while DmC remake and DMC5 had very good mapping designed for MnK.

[@56ur4]

Ey keyboard users, our people

[@AlphaPlayer9000]

Wow Cici is unfathomably based and i didn't know

[@nineblu]

1:15 man...that came straight form the soul

[@gizkadasha3989]

CTRL means Controller lmao BASED CC!

[@MilanBuzanoDiporr4]

It's more difficult, then i'm using it

[@infinite-sadness]

People beat souls games using DDR pads so it's not the craziest thing in the world. A little cursed but not too bad.

[@kaimberlyy]

the fact that she is an automaton LMAO

[@SethidusVorscye]

Biboo shaming the mouse+keyboard menace... thank you.

[@free4fire]

I freaking hate how controllers feel so I'm mouse + keyboard all the way.

[@popburnsy3207]

"oh... wow."

[@azekilldiablo9315]

Keyboard on souls game gang, based I never used a controller on elden ring, was great

[@oyoo3323]

Does the fact that you've never done it not then mean that you're unqualified to make a judgement on the matter, thereby making your comment totally irrelevant?

[@azekilldiablo9315]

@@oyoo3323 you should try reading again lol

[@oyoo3323]

@@azekilldiablo9315 I read perfectly the first time, and reading again, nothing has changed. I think you may be the one who needs to think again.

[@azekilldiablo9315]

@@oyoo3323 how does me saying I didn't use a controller on elden ring and found it was a lot more pleasant than controller make anything irrelevant.

[@oyoo3323]

@@azekilldiablo9315 I think your logic circuit may be malfunctioning if can't spot the issue in your very own words just now...

[@lehashura490]

Surprised pikachu face

[@rank1frombottom]

I wonder how will she react to the forbidden mouse+controller combo

[@severussnape2917]

Keyboard and mouse are the best!

[@0GTXR]

she's playing on a hitbox

[@Blitzkit]

this is basically how some would see it as a gamer playing fps on controller xD But most controller fps games have made it easier like aim assist or something. It's still hard because the joystick either has movement/strafes and look around (it feels like a keyboard+mouse but definitely feels way more weird esp camera movement on controller)

[@spegynmerbles3993]

This is how people react when I play shooters with a controller, I played 100s of hours of halo back in the day

[@charltonrodda]

Aim assist on or off, though? IIRC studies of competition between controller and KBM users showed that even experienced controller players were outmatched by mediocre KBM players if aim assist was disabled. (No fault of theirs, the hardware just doesn't permit the same accuracy-at-speed - bar maybe controller+gyro.)

[@AntonYadrov777]

I am not a musician, but since getting my first gaming laptop back in 2009 (and being too lazy to find my PS/2 to USB adapter), I have been playing most games with touchpad and KB, especially those that require speed and precision, like basically every shooter and soulsborne game. No gamepad will ever come close to that level of comfort and precision for me. And definitely no wire-rats, either.

[@obake6290]

KBM doesn't bother me in the slightest. Been both PC and console gamer all my life, use what's comfortable to you. Except laptop touchpads. Nobody should be subjected to laptop touchpads. What is wrong with you bro? J/K. Sort of.

[@AntonYadrov777]

@@obake6290 I could say the same about anyone who plays shooters with gamepads. Seriously though, it's all about finding a good, well-calibrated touchpad. Specifically touchpad, _not_ a trackpad/clickpad. Those are unholy abominations that brought about the ruin of the laptops, alongside hair-thin bga filth obsession. A proper DTR must be fully modular and have a cooling system that is at least 1kg by itself. I really hope there will be something with an actual touchpad in next gen. I really want those 120+ fps @FHD with RTX. Instead, I have to make do with 40-60 @900p med settings (MS-1763 with 4910MQ, 32gb 1866 and a P4200). Was thinking about buying an X170KM, but decided to wait for the next gen of laptops instead. 11900k (which will run 24/7 in cTDP Down, anyway, so a bit slower than 11700 in actuality), 3200 dram and 3080 mobile aren't exactly futureproof, especially for the current asking price on a hand-me-down EOL item.

[@obake6290]

@@AntonYadrov777 I'm with you on shooters with gamepads. The only reason I can think of to do that is if the aim assist is too good. I hear it is (or at least was) like that in Apex, but I don't really know. Don't play shooters myself, but if I did it'd be with KBM. Gotta be honest here - I always considered myself a techie computer guy but I hardly understood any of the rest of that. I do hate laptops though, so if any of that was specific to them it's gonna go over my head. Touchpad vs trackpad I don't know what the difference is. Only difference I notice on a laptop from 2002 vs a laptop from today is that the new ones don't have buttons anymore. Maybe that's what you mean? IDK.

[@AntonYadrov777]

@@obake6290 yeah, that. Trackpad is simply a button-less sensor area, like on DualShock4, clickpad is the same, but has buttons underneath it in bottom corners, and touchpad is a trackpad+ dedicated hardware buttons below (in front of) it. This is the only usable composition, others are hideous, deadly sin.

[@goldfinchui1432]

i only found out that a lot of pc players use controller as a standard later in my life lol. i always thought the xbox controllers purpose was for xbox and connecting it to pc was just something you could technically do.

[@amethonys2798]

Depends on the game. PC controls have gotten better in recent years for ports, but you're actually griefing yourself for playing something like DS1 on M&K since it is a horrendous port.

[@Redgomotor]

I finished the game with keyboard in fact is way better than controller

[@DuJo_oJuD]

based CC

[@ClubbingSealCub]

KBM is superior. Based cc.

[@necrotic256]

I play everything on kb+m

[@dyz2831]

for me, to play action/adventure games i prefer controller. Keyboard & Mouse to play 1st person/ shooter game, for much better aim

[@cuttlefish6839]

I still prefer controller for shooters because of mobility. I can't stand moving in a 3d space with keyboard.

[@Steel12able]

I mean i beat Sekiro even with no charm and with demonbell not to mention getting multiple endings using keyboard.

[@Master_3530]

Playing with a controller made me worse at any game so I stopped and never looked back

[@TheTenimus]

keyboard and mouse for the win

[@yuurai]

I can't, for the life of me, get good with controller. With DMC I only got through DMD and HAH using only KBM instead of controller. Skill issue I know, but I didn't grow up with it and to me it's just too difficult. I have a controller just sitting here that I use to play Holocure and American Truck Sim.

[@nyx2889]

ye

[@thomasfalkenberg8549]

Bro, keyboard is harder, if anything it is impressive

[@oyoo3323]

Only if you're good at it. And, well... Just look at her play Sekiro...

[@pseudipto]

its not though, moving camera is way easier with mouse, and the camera jank is one of the most annoying things about fromsoft games

[@oyoo3323]

@@pseudipto excuse me, but what does a mouse have to do with this? The original comment clearly said "keyboard", did it not? No one said anything about a mouse. A keyboard is an objectively inferior device, never designed for or meant to have been used to playing a video games with, and that is simply a fact. A mouse may indeed offer a unique benefit of more precise camera movement over a typical dedicated gaming controller, but the keyboard is an entequated and objectively inferior tool as far as a gaming "controller" goes. The only reason the keyboard is there is because the mouse is, and there is yet to be a well established way of combining a mouse's precision with the everything else of a dedicated gaming controller.

[@pseudipto]

@@oyoo3323 when someone says they play on keyboard, it's implied that it's mouse and keyboard, are you autistic or something wtf

[@quangtuantran7181]

I ve been playing souls game for 10 years, n I wont touch controllers w stick. I have tried them before, but it felt rlly weird, not something for me.

[@HuYuetas]

honestly i feel the same for Biboo, I am afraid of PC mains

[@azelard]

Wait is this like playing APEX on rollers type of taboo?

[@sturmfall1050]

Frankly I'm impressed she's able to do as well as she does. But let's be honest what peripherals you use doesn't matter. I've seen people do crazy sh!t on mouse and keyboard.

[@kingstonhammerton8743]

Keyboard and mouse gang

[@no_gaming_talent]

its not a bug, its a feature

[@Ichigo2k9]

I've not been able to watch her streams of this or Sekiro because the keyboard is so loud. Some get off on the noises but for me I just get pissed off.

[@ВиталийКотиков-т5э]

So, Biboo is a console-serf, I see.

[@cheeseoh]

To all the "kbm gang" people. Yes kbm and pc is superior. But when it comes to souls like games. Playing with controller is the most op thing. It makes everything SO much easier and playing with kbm is just slow

[@Nyaruko166]

:o

[@peeradettanawiwat7193]

Now I started to think if it's weird to play games with keyboard and mouse because I don't like how hard to move the controller is, and it's expensive too. But I heard some people said playing on keyboard and mouse is hard, then I'm proud to be the one who beat every games with it, even soul games 😎

[@okok-it2iv]

Background song name?

[@lootria]

honestly these games just do *not* play well on a controller anyway. you gotta claw grip to rotate camera, attack, lock on, and roll/item all at the same time!

[@coalstar9030]

"Controller" gang reppin

[@whyoowhy]

What's the big deal?

[@gameguy301]

Keyboard and mouse is far better for 3rd person melee combat games than they are given credit for, they are more than fine for most of them and for god of war, Sekiro, and monster hunter I’d even say it’s the best way to play and it’s not even close. Some console ports put zero effort into their KBM controls (looking at you dark souls 1 and Nioh) and it shows but that’s not the fault of the control scheme that’s on the devs for being lazy or having no care for sane default mappings.

[@majesticfox]

The most eggergious part is mapping right tumb camera movement to mouse movement directly without actually creating new mouse input. All the acceleration, input delay, not to mention translating constant input of stick to impulse input of mouse, makes any good game becomes unplayable for inducing motion sickness for every second of it.

[@oyoo3323]

People keep saying "keyboard and mouse", yet it is only ever the mouse that gives any possible benefit. The keyboard is a tool wholly unfit for games, and never meant to have been used for it. The mouse offers something special in more precision and perhaps speed. The keyboard however is nothing but a shitty makeshift controller. If there were a way to combine a controller with the precision of a mouse, that would be the ultimate combo, the keyboard is only there because the mouse can't do that, not because it's good.

[@gameguy301]

@@oyoo3323 on a controller the left hand has access to the D-pad, the left thumb stick, and the two shoulder buttons. you cant use the D-pad and control stick at the same time since they both use the thumb. a keyboard only needs 1 or 2 fingers to work the movement controls which leaves 3-4 fingers free to do other things and there are over a dozen buttons easily within reach. some fingers like the pinky can even pull double duty like seperately managing shift and ctrl at the same time like a 6th finger. monster hunter on keyboard and mouse makes lock on and the item wheel completely redundant. they are bandaids to help coontroller deal with contention between the thumbs having to juggle face buttons and thumb sticks, and the limited number of bindable buttons available.

[@majesticfox]

@@oyoo3323 technically controller is a simplified keyboard with additional input mode. The main advantage of a full keyboard is unlimited keybind, full access to any key to your available fingers, and being a literal keyboard where you can type sentences and not needing to buy another specialized input. Also most often there is no directional input delay, since you can preemptively input opposite direction just several tenth of milliseconds apart which is highly advantageous in fighting game or movement based shooter. You say keyboard is the limiting factor. No mouse is the limiting factor. Standard mouse has not enough button on it. 3 button is not enough. One scroller is not enough. Two additional button is barely enough. You might think keyboard movement is not precise, because you don't move with just keyboard. You move with mouse too, it is mouse and keyboard input.

[@FarisSF97]

"controller" gang, let's go ! ! 😅

[@Roman0ff_49]

This joke became irrelevant 10 years ago. What is wrong with souls-players is beyond my understanding.

[@sinner5452]

Err, historical console brainrot, nothing incomprehensible. For now those who unironically arguing against preferable input device just cant stand the freedom of camera control with mouse. And trying to cope with it, since we all know camera is the worst enemy in every soulslike.

[@oyoo3323]

​@@sinner5452I think you're missing the point. The problem is not the mouse. The mouse does in fact offer something additional, thus a potential benfit. It's the keyboard, a tool never designed for video games, that is wholly unfit for it, that is the issue. The keyboard is only there because the mouse is. There is no benefit a keyboard itself offers over a controller.

[@sinner5452]

@@oyoo3323 That exactly why i talked about mouse. You are right about no keyboard benefit for games made with controller in mind - i can name some little benefits, like you are using only 6 fingers while on keyboard you can use more, but whatever, its fair. But pretty much the same goes to controller - it gives no actual, measurable benefit over a keyboard. Well, maybe some miniscule things only true guru can benefit from, like an ability to move not at a full speed. And some comfort of course - i prefer controller playing from the sofa for example. But in general keyboard, despite being "not made for" games, was made for pressing buttons. And in that terms its pretty much equal to controller -as long as you can remap buttons however you please. Difference comes down to a personal preferences and what they got used to. That being said, you are right again, and mouse is a real benefit here, almost noone playing on keyboard only, so its not fair to compare just keyboard and controller. Thats why i assumed so much nonsensical arguments about controller superiority is just a cope for the mouse existance.

[@oyoo3323]

@@sinner5452 a controller's joysticks offer an enormous benefit to freedom and precision of movement, the same as a mouse does to a camera. With a keyboard, movement is far more clunky. Not to mention, we have to look at it from the perspective of someone just beginning games too; even if one might get used to using keyboard buttons to move (nevermind that they will never be capable of being as precise in movement direction as with a joystick as a simple fact of technological limitation), we have to remember that it is FAR easier for a new player (especially a child, which is when most start playing games) to learn to move with a joystick than to navigate a sea of buttons. Furthermore, you mentioned that on potential advantage is the number of buttons. And you are correct, however, hardly any games ever require anywhere near to that many buttons. With a controller, there are easily enough buttons to cover the controls of over 99% of all games. Furthermore, it's becoming increasing more regular for games to offer remapping buttons even with a controller, allowing customisation there too. There's only one real genre which does benfit quite a bit from having that many buttons, and that is the complex sim genre. Games like civ builders, city makers, life sims etc.. They have so many complex pieces going on at the same time, that it really does help, and the keyboard aside, once again, the mouse is an enormous help in being able to track so many moving pieces at the same time more efficiently. Then there's the simple, though subjective matter of comfort; though subjective, it is a fact that a strong majority of people prefer the comfort of a controller in their hands (plus again, it's also easier to use). Personally, there's something a prefer even more the feel of than either of them, which is just having its own fully self contained device in my hands, i.e. a portable console. The PlayStation Vita in particular is incredibly comfortable in that regard.

[@sinner5452]

@@oyoo3323 you do not need that precision of movement in most cases, and barely anyone uses it more than fighting against it. Coz you actually have to be extremely precise with your joystick, or your movement would in fact be quite imprecise :) keyboard have different paradigm, instead of measuring angle, dip and time to make precise movement with joystick, you need to just measure time with keyboard button pressing. You could say its clunky, i could say its reliable, it bring exact same result every single time... And besides, you can use mouse to aim your movement, so actual difference lays only in ability to control the speed of your movement. And why would you need not to move as fast as possible? I mean surely there are couple of cases here and there but in general... But again, its mostly matter of perspective, expertise and personal preference. Honestly my main issue is not just 6 fingers usage but the fact 2 fingers are responsible for 8 buttons and 2 joysticks, thus simultaneous or even queried usage of them rendered impossible. There are many games which could benefit from resolving that issue, and soulslikes one of them. Remapping may help a bit ofc... Yet people tend to just play how they are used to play. You may or may not be right about new players, but i can not see it as much relevant thing. I mean, even if its easier to get familiar with controller, thats not a great reason to drop a keyboard you already familiar with. also from personal experience, if parents bring kid a console, kid will get familiar with controller very fast, and if parents bring kid a PC, kid will get familiar with k&m very fast :)

[@Darkeus1]

Yeah you cannot play keyboard and mouse with games like that. Unless you are weird. Lol..