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[@arnandegans]

Tons of things in the new interchange don't need to be raised. To make it looks better, you may wanna lower it.

[@samsam21amb]

Biffa, you should extend the metro to the business park, then connect it to that high density residential district that you built in the last episode.

[@edwardmiessner6502]

Both from East Kettling and Saint Giles West where the two lines would meet with a cross.

[@Soutar3DG]

Business Parks also tend to have shopping centres nearby, at least a supermarket or two, and you also end up having car showrooms in the vicinity as well, just as ideas on how to expand it.

[@smoken81]

Restaurants & cafes for coffee and lunch

[@Salmoddi]

Car dealerships would fit the area well

[@CompletelyCr]

A couple of things, the motorway between the Sutton diamond and the whirlpool goes 4-3-4 lanes in very quick order, you might consider keeping this 4 all the way through. The other thing is that, in my opinion, the "welcome office" near the entrance signs should probably be on the left hand side of the road coming in, rather than on the right for the way out.

[@harrynothairy257]

Think it’s been said, but one direction the motorway is going straight through and the other way it curves unnecessarily. It’s really eeking my brain haha! Thank you for this city. Love the series so so much

[@Dralithian]

Having unlocked that new tile Biffa, you could consider a narrow boat canal system

[@Everie]

CPP: *carefully placing each road and rail so they don't clip and be cheaper * Biffa: I'm about to end this man whole career

[@graemekilpatrick5105]

Im sure you have more plans for the business park, but it think adding the shoe manufacturing plant from the industries DLC would add to the drama of the business park. You could pretend that the new plant put Jacks out of business and as such was converted into offices. You should also look at having a fancy anchor building in there that stands out above the rest.

[@medicallyunexplainedsymptoms]

The only problem with the Whirlpool junction is that it'll soon be recalled due to a manufacturing defect.

[@tigonologdring9189]

Best Bosch it on the head and make a proper one! 8D

[@gridlockjoe]

The flying cars are the new Jubilee Dementia! It's the feeling of driving a cloud!

[@TS_Mind_Swept]

"If I get hungry or thirsty my brain goes into 'durr' mode and I don't know what's going on" massive mood SuperVinlin

[@jeverydk]

A tip for those who dont like to play with tons of mods, yet still get the road management mod. You will lack alot of types of roads you see in Biffas videos, but you can use the lane management that he uses. So in theory, you can have a 6 lane road, that you then limited to only using 2 lanes before a junction. It looks like crap, but it works 100% as well :)

[@l3v1ckUK]

Loving the changes today. 23:21 Just take it under the motorway to join the district on the other side. It stops local traffic from having to use the motorway. 27:35 I like that. It has that "1950's to 1970's, building that needs demolishing, but will still be used by businesses for decades" look to it. It's just a shame you can't get them with the old fashioned factory "saw tooth" roof.

[@marcuskintz]

The business park needs cafes, and or a large cafeteria. Here in Germany they are called a Kantine!

[@stephenreardon2698]

In Britain they tend to have a Tesco Express and a Greggs

[@alder2460]

Jacks Shoes Manufactore is still an industrial company with traditions and financial problems stubbornly refusing to sell its land for a construction of more offices in the Business Park that grew all aroud it in recent years

[@ChimpManZ1264]

A nice touch with the business park would be since you have the factories a branch line would likely have once gone down there. It could have been abandoned after closure and serves as an opportunity for the city to repurpose it as a Metro or bring passenger traffic from the Old Market station as a local train.

[@TheOriginalBadger]

That building that had 1300+ workspaces....I used to work for Inland Revenue (don't hate me, I was young and impressionable) in a building about 1/4 of that size, and we had almost 300 employees....1300+ is not unreasonable for a office building of that size.

[@GolderlightGaming]

I don't normally comment on your videos, but thanks for keeping me entertained all these years while i eat my dinner :) who needs tv when you have good entertainment on KZbin like Biffa

[@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines]

And thankyou for watching 👍😁👍

[@sluktransport7564]

You should add a metro station from the existing metro line near the business park. I also think you should create a new park under the interchange for the workers at the business park to enjoy

[@William_W]

We should rename the Business Park to “North Teatime Business Park”

[@zayedsays4847]

That junction is so satisfying, good job!

[@RoelBaardman]

When you're faced with a highway with potentially a lot of exits close to each other, you might consider splitting the highway into a part with the exits and a part going straight through. That limits the amount of traffic that's affected by lane switching. Have a look at the A2 highway in The Netherlands around Utrecht for a real-world example. It splits before it crosses the city and merges back (into 2 way 5 lanes) after.

[@A_Lesser_Man]

what i do about the lights is use "Bob" to change the lights for all roads to "park yellow light" (type yellow into search). they are much shorter but ... overpasses only need to be a hair above the light - vehicals (of normal height) won't clip through the overpass. i personally like the yellow light - makes the city look nicer, i think.

[@jayzo]

The exact setup at 12:06 is the optimal configuration IMO for when lanes in > lanes out, as on a UK motorway that's how they'd do it, except they'd have a chevron island between slip road lane 1 and 2, so lane 1 would completely detach first and be separated by the chevron island, and then you could diverge off the main motorway lane 1 onto slip road lane 2. I don't think those chevron islands are something we can do all that cleanly in Cities skyines however considering they're at most less than a metre wide.

[@lejezza2492]

These old factories need some canals around,from the Wold, to complete the Victorian look.

[@lejezza2492]

Get the narrowboat pack from spark's workshop.

[@mellowourld7608]

City looking nice. Now that you need housing you should build a shared space community.

[@drjonritz]

I love the parking lots...love love love. Transport to the new business park is gonna be cool, too.

[@tamerucer8282]

Lets build an EXPO Center into this area!!!

[@TheFreebird6121]

You know it's going to be a great episode when you see floating cars at the beginning

[@cedricduchesne866]

Biffa, i feel like u should try to add a stadium or some sort of entertainement to your city.

[@Mr_Haddles]

It might take a while to have enough tiles, but I'd be interested to see how you would implement an orbital motorway - you mentioned the M25 in the opening, as Blighty-on-the-Wold expands, it may eventually need its own equivalent

[@crazydoctor4914]

A46 is an example as well

[@patrickclancy2200]

Loving the city! You've got a town and a village and a city. But somewhere could you fit in a Manor? Somewhere that looks over everything? Somewhere the Lords and ladies would go for hunting and dinner parties etc. 👍👍

[@noahkohn9350]

The entrance to the office park should be flipped around so that you would stop at the gate and security would be inside the building on the correct (left) side of the road.

[@jochem2029]

Love this interchange!! 🤩🤩

[@BeMisty]

Nice thin office park by the motorway, Biffa! ;-)

[@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines]

You just gotta live a little sometimes :P

[@mrxmry3264]

8:14 use the node controller!

[@stephenreardon2698]

Biffa: Imagine this scenario. At the far end of old Blightea, where the terraced houses ended a Victorian shoe company builds a factory which runs successfully until the early 1970's. Suddenly it finds itself being out competed a decides its only solution is a new purpose built factory, so abandons the old building, just as the government authorises a new motorway through the Wold. A motorway junction then causes the demolition of some of the houses between it and the town, leaving it isolated and abandoned. However, as the university grew in nearby Kettling, they entered into a partnership with a developer to build a business park on the opposite side of the motorway where an extension, with 2 new junctions was under construction. The council granted permission on the condition that the historic factory was preserved in some fashion. If this sounds too fanciful, then I blame City Planner for giving me these sort of ideas when I plan my own cities. Basically, in his terms, do a Mulligan on the location of the shoe factory, & move it to the part of the business park closest to old part of Blightea

[@marthanye3029]

Add the BBC television centre to the Business Park :)

[@Wepost16]

Biffa the inside bit should be a three laned motorway as its the main

[@YoWhatGoesHere]

Love it. Expecially the car charging ports in the parking lot next to the 200 year old factory. Though I would suggest that it might be good to download a few statue and fountain asset packs as well as some ploppable water. But there's just one thing. That cyclone is awesome but I do believe the through road should tunnel under the middle leaving it open for a certain asset to sit. It is a British themed city and a better spot for the industrial brick and metal and glass king of all clocks I have not seen than right in the center of the concrete monster. Overlooking the buisness heart of the city. There is probably a good area near it for the seats and halls of the government to sit as well. But mostly I just want a big clock of British pride to have a prominent place in the skyline, and nothing can block the little thing from being seen if it's surrounded by a bunch of on and off ramps.😆

[@dwightsilcott1441]

Are there any mods that make walking path bridges or tunnels at a junction and intersection, cause that might help to stop people from at the roundabout? I thought there was one for biffa to use.

[@NethDugan]

There is ans he has used it before. Dead useful. Doesn't always fit thr look you're going for though.

[@Lwito]

Trully eye-candy place to work Biffa ;)

[@user-qp6lj6gu7s]

Late name suggestion: change North Sutton Business Park to *North Sippa Business Park*!

[@samuelmcmurray3502]

Finally more biffa

[@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines]

Enjoy :-)

[@hellsop]

26:08 Do you know ANYONE that enjoys a business park? Rather than "endures"?

[@Rundberget]

Hello again Hugo There :D

[@CyeMourii]

Biffa said shift instead of shiftify in this video. :o

[@meson183]

Did you correct the number of households in the high density residential as suggested by several people in the last Blighty video? I think you had 24 households in the smaller blocks that should be able to accommodate 96. And as many as 144 households in the taller tower blocks. That would help you on your way to your next population goal before you even begin considering new builds.

[@ruikip3073]

Hi Biffa... It is time to put some graffitis in those sound barriers? Just for some colours in suburbian zone. There's a way to do that? It'll looks nice

[@JDS141NZ]

You should place some commercial zones within you industrial zones

[@riff2072]

"North Tea-By-The-Ton Business Park"

[@Bradbeard-nv1vo]

You adjusted the businesses based of production rate, not workplaces. One option had over 400 workplaces

[@TitanEast54]

Please put a variety of parks

[@mars76mr]

what about a fountain for the offices with the overpass where you put down the bowed walkway?

[@villa30]

you need transport connections in the business park. quite easy to link to the metro nearby

[@landonsandor591]

I absolutely love your videos! Great job. Now that you've created thousands of jobs, wouldn't you need more parking than what you have? Maybe use parking garages instead of parking lots

[@plip13]

Please, please, please...; Every time You forget it. Add Some restaurants and Café in your offices and industrials zone !! Your "lovely people" needs it !! And Why not some tables and chairs and bench for a small coffee in the courtyard ? Oh, nearly forget : and a metro station, of course !! Thanks a lot for your videos.

[@alastairmacnaughton7673]

I love the begining, where the cars are floating

[@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines]

It caught me by surprise for sure! :-)

[@l3v1ckUK]

No business park is complete without a few burger vans.

[@glennnilsen2527]

In the office park, in that half circle area, what about some flag poles?

[@hadifelani]

I know that my comment is kinda out of topic. But I'm really curious about how much CPUs (especially the higher tiers) would affect performances on cities with tons of mods, compared to GPUs. How much of a help will it be when having more RAM and VRAM? I'm aware that this game doesn't really do well with utilizing it's hardware, but still. I feel like this matter is not widely and commonly being discussed outside of Steam and/or Reddit, and I also feel that the discussions in there are not quite that deep about the issue. Can we have a discussion about that? Another side story, I kinda regret that I chose RX 6600 XT (8GB VRAM) over 3060 (12GB VRAM) despite having better performance in other games, but Cities Skylines is kinda my main game for the last 3 years so yeah. I'm also thinking about upgrading my R5 3600 to R7 5800X3D, maybe next year. Think the 96MB L3 cache will help? Since you have such a high tier pc components (kinda in the level of workstation), I hope you could enlighten me about this issue.

[@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines]

A cpu only helps up to a point as CS is not designed to use more cores. Extra memory and faster SSD's helps a lot with lots of mods/assets :-)

[@hadifelani]

@@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines I see, I did plan on ramping up my RAM from 4x8 to 4x16 GB. My game is installed at my nvme drive. From what I've read, 8 cores/threads are the maximum amount that this game will utilize, can you confirm this? How about the L3 cache though? Is it safe to assume that it's down to purely a RAM and VRAM capacity issues?

[@Maximilian1717]

Love your videos! Are you still planning on making one last episode of New Tealand?

[@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines]

No plans for NTL as the save is broken at the mo, due to mods :-(

[@Maximilian1717]

@@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines What a shame. But thanks for replying.

[@Duffman-gj4fs]

At 21ish minutes your speeds were done in km/h not m/h. Keep an eye out for your speeds!

[@brookeudd2828]

a Wold pool

[@georgethomas7814]

I was left wondering how much of that industrial park was inside the industrial park area. The noisy area is empty and the people are flocking to the industrial area with how much pollution. Then there will be housing going alongside. But as always the final layout looks good. I have always wanted to play City skylines but not everyone can have a gaming computer with the output needed to run the game. As always brilliant look 5 star practical application no evidence of old roads around the shoe factory. What about moving the shoe factory up against the motorway near the old junction and cut off the road. Good idea work on the university. High rise and university extension behind the Helicopter/police station/ Shoe factory/ motorway with a new connection to the city further away. Train connection from Keatling ??? and metro from the other area.

[@lorddyson7493]

With the business park why not skyscrapers

[@kacperniewiadomski2292]

you know on the motorway you get of to services can you add that please biffa

[@vakalkas]

Is lane mathmatics just making the lanes not be bigger than necessary or is there a mod to utilize that better somehow? o.o

[@Tim_van_de_Leur]

you can force stuff with traffic manager, but not making them bigger than needed are the basics

[@rounakmazumder6173]

Hey, you can add a metro stop just opposite to the motor way and have a underpass connection, you already have the tracks may as well add a station 🚉

[@reinerjung1613]

You could lower large portions of the whirlpool interchange down. Especially the roads on the outside could be on ground level. That would be way cheaper in reality. Also the crossing highway from West Kettling could be build as one road bridge. instead of two curved ones. However, it might look less appealing. Anyway, the crossing road can also be lowered, as it just needs to go above the other motorway in the middle.

[@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines]

Thanks for the suggestions :-)

[@reinerjung1613]

@@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines Your welcome. Your videos are really a highlight of the day every time one comes out. Esp. As, I have way too little time to play in my own city.

[@rbon1549]

Or put the metro on ground level

[@kaltaron1284]

That thing is part of the M25. It has to be cursed.

[@sintanan469]

I was hoping to see a comment about this. That's my only gripe about the default heights of the interchange is all the raised sections. Works well for plug-and-play intentions of the default, but the actual planning and budgeting would stick as much of it on the ground as possible. This will also help with the look of the skyline, the view of the new business park from the whirlpool, the sound pollution, and the potential for decoration. Or stick the metro on the ground and deal with cursed budgeting concerns as people complain about removing the "traditional" and "historic" metro line and thus the planning commission is stuck building the whole interchange airborne to appease the complaints.

[@AxHost]

Would love to see more public transport into the business parks! and maybe even a dutch style business parks with bicycle lanes as its near the dutch style apartments!

[@th3griff]

I agree. Could definitely use a train or tram station of some kind in there to really help with the 1000s of people who would be working in there.

[@reeceguisse17]

I was thinking a new housing area in the open area between the business park and the existing built-up area, but no road connection, only paths and PT. I'm a sucker for Skyways, so maybe a short one into the business park?

[@JohnLudlow]

Sometimes in business parks you get a landscaped lake / river water feature - I think yours would look pretty good with something like that.

[@kaltaron1284]

I was thinking that when he placed those willows. They need quite a bit of water so seeing them on dry land is a bit odd.

[@megadev9099]

Plopping several small lakes around town would help out the new fire helicopters too.

[@kaltaron1284]

@@megadev9099 Esp. if uou mess them up and they cover a bit more area. ;)

[@nicdesmedt7443]

Biffa: "I'm gong to build a thin buisness park by the highway." 5s later Biffa: Fills up the entire area with different buisness parks.

[@thelastpanda5934]

Noticed that too 😂 He didn't even adjust the zone

[@ondrejkratochvil4589]

Love the UK name generator demo at the beginning - Rottingdean should be definitely academic district :-D

[@q3b26]

Personally can't see Rottingdean as an academic district, it just seems all wrong to me... Perhaps only because I know the place really well and it's just a small village on the south east coast.

[@Helbore]

@@q3b26 I think its because Dean is commonly used for a senior position in a university, such as a head of a faculty. So an old English university might have quite a few rotting Deans!

[@jakemalpass9909]

Loving the vids!! I'm constantly waiting for the next one as soon as one has just been released. Keep up the great work👍

[@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines]

Glad you like them! Thanks Jake :-)

[@williamhuang8309]

6:51 Just use UNION NODES MODE in Network Multitool! 8:40 Finally, someone using Union Nodes properly. Union Nodes and Split nodes are excellent tools. 10:10 The white lines don't get drawn in properly because they are off the side of the road (or so the game thinks). Usually fiddling with Node Controller will get those to work. 15:05 The easy solution would be to just replace that pillar with one that has a gap in the middle e.g. the railway pillar. Also quite upset that you haven't grounded that ridiculous metro viaduct yet.

[@OldManBadly]

I pretty much have the same thought as last time. New business park needs some metro stations. It might be time to run a line that goes through the business park and on to the area you built last time, possibly with 1 or 2 stops on the way for new residential or even retail spaces in between. That would go a long way to solve the issue of missing people / workers as they can come in from further.

[@kaltaron1284]

I was thinking the same. Maybe a connection to Blightea and the new residential and a perpendicular one towards the first part of the city maybe the hub or maybe near the shopping area that could later be continued towards whatever will be built on the other side of the motorway.

[@eloisewhitney171]

The TV studio or radio station would be great in the business park to add some flavour. Could call it BBTea (BBC) or ITeaV

[@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines]

Nice idea :-)

[@DrakeGamer85]

Suggestions for the new area, and these are solid ones I think you should do: 1. The office blocks next to the motorway - GET THEM A CAR PARK!!! 2. Add a metro station, maybe two around the northern and southern points of the business park, or one around the roundabout 3. Establish a bus line around the area. 4. Add some nice commerical services like a couple of retail shops, a restaurant, and a petrol station, possibly around the road linking to the southern motorway extension you made.

[@thelovelyseamus]

Such a great series! Agree with the "lower everything" intersection comments and get that business park concreted over! Looks far too pleasant 😂

[@RolandWolf]

A fun detail that could make the industry look more Industrial: On roundabouts, if you ban trucks, but then fill the roundabout with a crossing road that is truck only. I've seen that here in Denmark, as a solution to long trucks and small roundabouts. It's not good for throughput, so only for decorational purposes.

[@no_idea2224]

Great job! There should be a fountain or pond inside the semicircle of office buildings.

[@Yoarashi]

i really appreciate that you always remember to include accessible parking bays. helps drive home the fact that accessibility isn't a "maybe" or "optional" or "later" type of feature, but something that should be there from the get-go

[@Gary87]

That junction is massive but so cool! I love the added metro line through it, looks really good

[@SiqueScarface]

27:40 In the hospital nearby, they have those overpasses throughout the whole campus, so each building is connected to each one on the second level. The network of overpasses and connected corridors is commonly referred to as "the sickbed autobahn".

[@bobblebardsley]

The University of Manchester used to have them between the Maths Tower and the Computer Building and I always felt super fancy whenever I used it 😆

[@Valthalin]

You find the same thing in some downtown areas, connecting several of the larger multi-use buildings especially where the winters are more serious. This helps the office workers get to the commercial buildings and to the local parking garage as well. All without having to brave the cold or ice or darkness. Or the heat if it is summer. Also great if the local sidewalks are noisy and or crowded at certain times of the day.

[@brysonm66]

Realistically the through road of the interchange should be below ground level, allowing you to lower the height of the carriageways and set most of it at ground level

[@kaltaron1284]

What do you mean "realistically"? That junction exists in exactly (or at least mostly) the way it's in the workshop.

[@KaiHenningsen]

@@kaltaron1284 Pretty sure the original is less elevated.

[@brysonm66]

@@kaltaron1284 The M25/M11 Junction is far more grounded and elevated carriageways are always far less intense/obtrusive in reality than in CS version (which is designed on flat ground). My 'realistically' comment was in regards to how much the CS edition of the junction would cost in the real world, compared to if it was lowered down.

[@memediatek]

Great episode biffa. I'd love to see you revisit Croydon Gardens and install trams, like the real Croydon got. As someone who lives near Croydon, traveling on them is enjoyable

[@memediatek]

The elevated metro should run DLR trains too, they are available on the steam workshop, and they do stop at an Underground station too at Bank

[@rellyrelishes]

I think the metro can start its decent underground, on the straight away, as it's approaching that highway junction since it goes underground after that anyway.

[@beningram1811]

The metro track could just go along the ground under all the roads, as at that point, they're all raised.

[@Tim_van_de_Leur]

would also improve on Biffa's history of it being an old train track being repurposed.

[@bobblebardsley]

Perfect! Just needs a Travelodge/Premier Inn and it's sorted 😄

[@glennnilsen2527]

In that half circle in the office park, what about some flag poles?

[@CityPlannerPlays]

Great looking interchange! Goes to prove that even the best interchanges could use a little lane mathematics 😀

[@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines]

Thank you CPP! :-)

[@09williamsa]

Great Episode Biffa! You should 100& be expanding your metro network through, we saw how much it helped things and given the modern nature of the new business park and Dutch style apartments they would definitely have a public transit metro connection!

[@markusojala2132]

If there there are any hill areas or close there should definetly be coal/ore area and some steel mills etc. Also at the river there could be a long boulevard with cafes, shops, night life etc.

[@tigonologdring9189]

The steel mills would be a shopping centre (or just still derelict ground) and the remnants of the mine a visitor attraction... welcome to 21st century England!

[@stephenreardon2698]

@@tigonologdring9189 I always thought The Wave was built on the site of the coal mine around which Blightea grew in the first place, hence the long rows of Victorian housing

[@hugomaslard9715]

I feel like the business park would deserve a taxi hub for all these corporate meetings.

[@Samm58]

It would be really cool to make a motorway services, inspired by your lovely new overpass bridge at the business park

[@stephenreardon2698]

A motorway services next to the new section of motorway at the new junction is great idea. Many newer ones stand right next to such junctions on the edge of a business parks. Just make sure they have their own separate access point from the main business park entrance (& plenty of unnecessary parking, with no pedestrian access for added realism)

[@SlateTiara]

Jobs for everyone!! I'm looking forward to the next episode, This city looks incredible

[@IraRomfh]

I think you could have a pedestrian/bike connection to the end of business park road that you did not want to connect to the existing roads. That will cut down on traffic and allow shorter commute times for people living in the older part of city.

[@LearnToRace]

You definatly need to add a junction like j6 on the m6 also known as spaghetti junction or should I say 'spagetTEA' junction

[@sedontane]

Make sure you build a little eating area in the business park, make sure to place it in the least pretty area, and annoyingly far from the buildings. At least if you want it to be accurate. I've never seen an office park where the eating area had a nice view and a short walk... its always a good slog from most of the buildings.

[@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines]

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