Big 3 Vs DBZ | How Far Would The Big 3 Get In Dragon Ball?

The Big 3 Vs Goku a matchup so fundamentally one sided, that there is no debate. So what if we asked instead, How Far Would The Big 3 Get In Dragon Ball
Basically power scaling a Big 3 vs DBZ scenario throughout the many chapters and stories of the Big 3 Manga when compared to the Dragon Ball Manga
How Far Would Naruto Get In Dragon Ball ? How Far Would Luffy Get In Dragon Ball ? and How Far Would Ichigo Get in Dragon Ball ? If they had to take on the insurmountable task, of replacing Goku. The strongest hero in Shonen Manga.
In this video, we'll be covering all DBZ continuities, being Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and Dragon Ball Super to find out the answer of if Bleach, One Piece, and Naruto can really compete.
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[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

If you want to experience Water Poisoning, take a drink every time I say the word consistency in this video. You will be on the floor before the half way mark Lol. Also Giant Piccolo Vs Giant Luffy would go pretty hard, not gonna lie. Sub if you agree.

[@ikeillue8385]

I want to start this by saying that I'm not trying to be a jerk about any of the points I'm making here. I know it can sometimes be hard to tell in text form, so I just want to make it clear that I don't mean any ill will or anything, just because I disagree with some of the things said. Little issue (other than power scaling that I disagree with, but that is a completely different topic.), specifically with Radditz. Its shown that the reason why Goku let go of Radditz' tail wasn't just out of "brotherly love", but because he read Raddtiz like a book. After that point, when Goku gets him in a full nelson, he basically points out that, if it came to it, Radditz was ready to cut off his own tail, negating that weakness. It never came to that, because Goku let go of his tail before Piccolo fired his SBC at him (which Goku did purposefully, so that Piccolo wouldn't waste the energy on an attack that Radditz was going to avoid after he removed his tail), and specifically chose a means of holding Radditz in a way that didn't involve the tail the second time, even though he knew it would put him in the danger zone of Piccolo's attack. The point being, even if we ignore the stat differential here (Radditz easily handles all 3 of these characters, if you take their actual feats into consideration, when you don't include statements that could be hyperbolic), and go with the scaling presented in the video, Luffy is still losing to Radditz, because he would absolutely cut his own tail off if it ended up putting him in a situation that could be dangerous to him.

[@drishalballaney6590]

now can you please make another video with how far would Saitama go in db universe ?

[@diegobrando5800]

Saitama (Manga feats) would stop at Fat Buu at best but i think Super-Perfect Cell is more realistic

[@marinomele4575]

@@diegobrando5800 This comment here is literally less biased than the video itself.

[@joelbell6075]

Raditz stated in the manga that he would have cut off his own tail if he had to. Luffy loses after that.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Raditz was paralyzed as far as I remember, and piccolo had his special beam canon ready to go. Maybe he’d cut off his tail? But I’m just not that confident he could pull it off in time IMO.

[@marinomele4575]

Forget Raditz, as of now, Luffy isn't getting past King Piccolo. Effortlessly blowing up large cities? Tanking moon-level attacks...? Luffy can't put one single scratch on someone like that.

[@TheUnseenPath]

Why?

[@johnszymanski247]

I don’t think Luffy has a tail

[@user-wq7pc4wl5z]

​@@TUCKALMIGHTY you completely forgot about Rio haki with is dura neg, in one piece can scale to large planetary to dwarf star level

[@cirnosnumberfan6449]

The grandfather of anime is Astroboy, Goku is the father, and the big 3 are his children. That's how I see it.

[@majinsaiyan4369]

astro boy was the first anime

[@cirnosnumberfan6449]

@@majinsaiyan4369 Exactly.

[@marinomele4575]

"Luffy has minor toon force and reality warping" And this right here is where the video turned comedy, my boy isn't even close to the raw power of King Piccolo. Still enjoyed the ride and I do like how your editing is polished despite the small channel. Kudos.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Glad you enjoyed the content! We put a lot of work into the polish, whenever we can. However, I will say. As long as you’re being somewhat generous to One Piece, and not so much to to Dragon Ball. The gap between Multi-Continental and Moon level, isn’t big enough for me to say Luffy’s reality manipulating hax can’t carry. Just my thoughts though!

[@marinomele4575]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY Yup I did enjoyed both the quality of the vid and the exposition. You erned a sub today - best wishes to reach 1k for xmas. Still... We need to wank Luffy pretty hard to put him to multi-continental... (interpreting quotes in specific ways and taking them absolutely literally) While King Piccolo is factually above Moon Level. So this is FAR from "somewhat generous" and "somewhat not generous" XD It's basically as big of a gap there's between the lowest multi-continental and the lowest moon-level... Around 6 trillion times if we go with the VS battle wiki tiering system. Not to mention the "reality warp" you mention wasn't helping Luffy beat up Kaido, it was cool to see the birds and all but it was the punches who did the work. Luffy's reaction speed is way above King Piccolo's speed, I can see him dodging over and over - but King Piccolo can tank Luffy's best attacks forever, and Luffy's can't keep best-attacking forever.

[@Aluja77]

But the statement itself is right.

[@marinomele4575]

@@Aluja77 oh not at all, because he intended the word in a specific powerscaling-oriented way. So questioning semantics was never the goal here.

[@Plushplush1]

@@marinomele4575People still think Luffy is capped out at multi continental? The one piece verse is able to reach moon level even without the whitebeard statement via blackbeard and his earthquake attack when receiving the gura gura fruit. It was stated that all yonkos are relative to each other so Luffy is moon level. You can also get him to small planetary (without whitebeard’s statement) with his strongest attack being able to reach the small planetary levels (the one piece verse is larger than Jupiter, as most people cap it out to be.)

[@MarioWendorf]

I'm still floored to hear "FTL" and raditz mentioned together still. I always thought the stand alone miss translation would've been tossed aside 10-15 years ago

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

The Moon Blast feat that Piccolo preformed is calced to about 25% the speed of light, Radtiz is more than 4x Piccolo. No relation to the Dub mistranslation, but it does make it pretty accurate funnily enough.

[@Casual_Otaku]

​@@TUCKALMIGHTYdidn't Goku dodge the literal laser + solar flare as a kid?

[@aymanbouyaya4759]

Not miss translation tho especially since Goku in the original dragon ball managed to evade literal light from tian's attack

[@TuckerBowChicka1]

Great video overall and, I agree with what you said about Naruto and Luffy. But you're factually wrong about Ichigo, even if you don't wanna agree with Universal+ to Low Multiversal scaling that he gets via scaling to Yhwach, he is blatantly at bare minimum Multi-Solar System thanks to Senjumaru's feat, her shaking all 3 universes and the Garganta being such a feat, as she shook all creation. And even if you believe the realms are only planets, the Garganta isn't, it's at least a universe size structure. Also speed wise, Ichigo is easily MFTL+ thanks to plenty of light dodging feats early on, but if you don't want to go with cero's being lightspeed or the Negacion, there's the weakest Espada dodging literal light, who Ichigo is already far faster than in that arc. And with his multipliers from Horn of Salvation, Gran Rey Cero being a 10x multiplier from his usual AP, Blut Arterie and Blut Vene which are 5 to 10x multipliers for his AP and durability respectively, and finally Bankai, he'd go up to Multi-Galaxy thanks to just how high into Multi-Solar System Senjumaru's feat is, nearing Galaxy level already. Anime is the primary source of canon now for the TYBW arc, as Kubo is directly working on the series and fixing the once final arc that he had to rush for health reasons back during the manga's run. And translations for Senjumaru's statement, the kanji points to her shaking all of creation, thus it's only by ignoring blatant facts that one could possibly say Ichigo scales any lower than Multi-Solar System up to Multi-Galaxy from multipliers now via scaling above Senjumaru in just his true Shikai. So, yeah, Ichigo at least makes it to the Buu saga, and depending on if it's anime or manga, given different scaling via statements in the anime and manga, along with databooks and such that are more so for the anime than the manga. He either stops at Buuhan, or in the anime, Fat Buu as with Toei's scaling, Super Perfect Cell would be Galaxy level, and Fat Buu Multi-Galaxy, and with Fat Buu's greater regen and magic, even if Ichigo scaled higher in that tier, Fat Buu would likely wear him out or just turn him into candy and win, as he has no resistance to transmutation abilities or magic. Now if we actually used Universal+ to Low Multiversal scaling for Ichigo, then he'd clear the Z manga, and lose to SSG Goku from both the anime and manga thanks to Dragon Balls greater cosmology in just universe 7, though I guess this is him fighting the enemies, so he'd just get stomped by Beerus like everyone else, or get defeated by Frieza rather easily. But if we go with Z anime, he'd stop at Buuhan who scales to Uni+ to Low Multiversal thanks to Toei scaling

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Hey! I’m glad you enjoyed the rest of the video. And there’s absolutely no shade intended with this reply. But I’m just gonna share my thoughts here- as to why Multi-Solar System (or Galaxy) Ichigo? Is not what I went with- and why I sort of think it’s the worst meta you can use. Basically- the problem with assuming Squad Zero, Yama, and Yhwach are effecting universal constructs- as opposed to just Planets? Is that there’s very little evidence to back it up. Because the world of the living (literally earth) is meant to be a parallel with the Soul Society, which parallels Hueco Mundo. The Kanji you’re talking about, which in this case is ( Tenchi 天地 ) can refer to a lot of things, realms, universes, spheres. Google translate literally just defines it as “Heaven & Earth” So if you’re saying we aren’t using his universal scaling for the dimensional bodies. Which is supported by all the parallels between the dimensions. As well as visual stuff, such as all of them being represented as planets. And even like? Regular towns from earth- being able to appear in the soul society, and be noticed. (Highly implying that it’s not a universe sized construct, with infinite space.) So? Yeah. Shaking three planets is just not that impressive. Even considering the Garganta space, which is just a void between dimensions- that was never stated to be shaking- wouldn’t increase the feat that much in some interpretations? And the calcs that increase it to insane would be very charitable outliers- at that. So, that’s personally why I have Ichigo more so in that Large Planet, to Dwarf Star range. Because shaking a universe isn’t solar system level, and Shaking a planet isn’t either. It just seems like a weird excessive scale- that sits between the two interpretations. Taking none of the accuracy in either. But yes, if you take either of those metas, he’d stop somewhere in the Buu Saga anyways. So I hope that answered your question. Thanks!

[@TuckerBowChicka1]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY Your right to have this view on all that, even though I do think your blatantly wrong on many things, ignoring context for statements and how their being used, how she wasn't shaking just the planets of those realms, but the air too, along with the fact both the World of the Living, and Soul Society, have stars showing the realms aren't simply planets at all, and the fact that shaking universes can in fact scale to Multi-Solar System, as that does have a quantifiable number to do it when doing so with raw power. Bleach's primordial universe, was also clearly that, a universe, so Soul King splitting it apart would still leave a Universe size structure at the very least, that being the Garganta to house everything in, if not also the WoL and SS, Hueco Mundo is also described as being endless, and an infinite sized realm. Plus in CFYOW, Gremmy is also clarified to have created a Galaxy in his fight with Kenpachi, when using Galaxy Room, just saying. And even if you don't believe he created that, he'd of still sent Kenpachi into space with several stars, showing the realms aren't simply planets. vsbattles.com/threads/above-heaven-and-below-earth-0-alone-surpasses-13.160302/ These guys can rebuke you better than I ever could, and can better argue the points I made. Even though I don't think Vs Wiki is the best, they have been very strict with Bleach's scaling for so many years, so the fact this got passed there, shows how solid Senjumaru's feat is for being Multi-Solar System both visually and statement wise.

[@-Arcueid_Brunestud-]

@@TuckerBowChicka1 it's planetary & you mentioned air which doesn't exist in space more like the atmosphere so yeah

[@thedarknessinthelight9824]

People seem to forget that just because something is shown to be a planet, it isn't always a planet. Just take a look at the DBZ Microcosm. There are many planets within and outside the microcosm, but all of them are infinitely expansive spaces. The same goes for the lore in Skyrim. There are plenty of planets shown in the sky of the world you're in but they are all infinite universes with their own endless streams of timelines. (This is info I found out in the DB of Skyrim vs Dark Souls)

[@riicky83]

No using Shadow clone vs Ginyu? That alone should either block or nerf Ginyu should he use body swap. Granted we've never heard if the body swap technique can penetrate anything that ain't alive. And if he did swap into a shadow clone, a good hit should destroy it and therefore end Ginyu assuming his consciousness doesn't get transferred into Naruto's main body but then again, he'd have to deal with both Naruto and Kurama inside his mind.

[@jayarts2476]

I heard that the clones experiences return back to Naruto besides damage of course so it might just transfer

[@riicky83]

@@jayarts2476 If that is the case then Naruto and Kurama might have the edge in suppressing Ginyu inside Naruto mind.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Naruto could probably use clones against Ginyu if he new ahead of time? But considering the stat gap there- it’s pretty hard to imagine Ginyu doesn’t just blitz in my mind. As for Kurama? He really can’t do much to stop it- short of breaking his seal? And unaliving Ginyu in Naruto’s body? Unless you think Kurama would switch with Ginyu instead of Naruto- at which point? Yeah. It might give him a small victory chance.

[@riicky83]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY Well we've seen Kurama in Naruto's mind on two occasions even with the seal active. The first was against Orochimaru when he easily roared him out of Naruto's mind and the second was against Sasuke when he used his Sharigan haxs.

[@-Arcueid_Brunestud-]

W vid appreciate it

[@user-co5yn2es3h]

Dbz is simply the best. The movies the difrent sagas, the vilans, the heros. The fights are insane and the story is wonderful.

[@Path3742]

This is cap Only the movies and fights are good

[@kamekashi]

Fr

[@kamekashi]

​@@Path3742not telling u from btw

[@Path3742]

@@kamekashi what does that mean

[@Skkia]

Luffy vs demon king piccolo 50/50 Stops at raditzs Naruto vs vegeta 50/50 Stops at ginu force Ichigo vs frieza 50/50 Stops at perfect cell Imo

[@mahoraga1528]

a very important factor about powerscaling one piece characters is the size of the planet. its extremely important because the size has been calced to be multiple times bigger than earth. so all the destructive feats that op characters have are upscaled. a multi continental attack in the one piece world's standards would be large planetary from our worlds standards, planetary attacks in one piece world would be around small star level or so etc. very important to keep in mind when powerscaling op characters, everything is basically upscaled.

[@DerpEpicFace32onXbox]

So is Dragon ball 💀 Earth is considered a very small planet, casual small planet busting in DB covers planets 10x the size of earth

[@jibbobdion5072]

Can I recommend a match? The 10 commands from 7 deadly sins vs 10 Espada? I think they should power scale closely, and nobody is talking about this match-up on KZbin, which feels like a missed opportunity.

[@Quillion-lq4bx]

The body swap does present an interesting question. What if Ginyu used that on a Shadow Clone? Does that mean it doesn't work? Does it mean it's successful? What effect does it have on Naruto if it is successful? Could he still dispel that clone? Would that in turn dispel the mind in the Ginyu body and the body Ginyu now inhabits? Does Naruto suddenly gain a lot of information and a new friend in Shadow Clone Naruto inside Ginyu's body? Does Ginyu's personality then have an impact on Naruto, in this instance?

[@johndoe9200]

my video prediction is everyone but ichigo hard stops at the Saibaman

[@jamonrandomstuff4294]

Quit powerscaling

[@King-mg7vy]

Right because NIETHER of the other 2 are fast enough or skilled enough to deal with explosions. Get off Toriyama's nuts, he doesn't want you there.

[@GooberGlumbus]

If they're below small planet level then yeah

[@King-mg7vy]

@@GooberGlumbus Saibamen cannot blow up a planet.

[@marinomele4575]

Forget Saibaman, Luffy can't harm Demon King Piccolo. Naruto should be able to beat Nappa and Ichigo reaches Namek Saga. I can already hear the wankers approaching - "luffy Is large-planet! Naruto Is universal! Ichigo is Outerversal!"

[@thefirstprime0124]

Funny enough theres a scan that said roshi had enough energy to refil a sun or something like that that doesnt make him star level but i would say moon lvl plus

[@Hudishavtsye]

W video. personally i believe in the naruto solar scale and the ichigo uni scale but aside from that, a very entertaining fun video

[@gorge1365]

Naruto is actually higher, but ok.

[@Hudishavtsye]

@@gorge1365 i mean this is my personal scale. kaguya would've been able to destroy her dimension (contained a star and at least two planets, so a small solar system). naruto could one shot someone on par with kaguya (toneri). Then we just upscale it from there, so large solar system level. but like maybe even galaxy with baryon mode if you highball

[@yaseennechat4090]

​@@Hudishavtsyepeople say this. But who said Toneri could replicate or even have the durability to tank Kaguyas final dimension destroying attack?

[@gorge1365]

@@Hudishavtsye Sorry but this is going to be a bit long: In the Data Book state that these Dimensions are in fact "Universes" and there ware 6 of them "If Im not mistaken) + Naruto's own, and Kaguya was about to one shot everything to create her own "Time Space" more like her own Universe with different Dimensions. Then in the Boruto Movie Novel, it's aso confirmed that Momoshiki created a "Parallel Universe" as a Dimension and was later sucking the chakra out of it to amp himself even more (He was Fuse Momoshiki at thie point). A tired and drained Base Adult Naruto, fought and hold off Fuse Momoshiki in hand to hand, then after he use Six Paths is were Naruto was beating him with Sasuke, then drained + tired Naruto's Huge Rasengan wielded by Boruto, destroyed Fuse Momoshiki. Baryon Mode is far higher, due Ishiki being above Kaguya and Fuse Momoshiki, & Baryon Mode destroyed him but lost it's time limit. Then we can't forget about Naruto before he gets Six Paths, and only using Bijuu Sage Mode, he was on par and keeping up with Minato's Thunder God Jutsu, using only his speed, and Minato's jutsu in the Data Book is stated to by so fast that travels across "Time and Space", the insane thing is that Naruto just keep up becoming faster.

[@vitoscaletta822]

@@gorge1365 Hel No

[@DarkTemple34]

W vid! where do you think Naruto scales in your opinion at full power?

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Wow, that was fast lol. Didn’t even get a pinned comment up yet. IMO? SoSP Teen Naruto is bare minimum Planetary. With his Boruto forms, or just higher interpretations- implying Large Planet, to potentially Even Dwarf Star-- or full blown Star levels and beyond? For his Baryon Mode. You can also argue Uni+ metas, if you are a bigger fan of those scales. I just tend to lean towards the more realistic side of things with my scales.

[@DarkTemple34]

Yeah, you are underrated I can fr get you in contact with some BIG KZbinrs in the anime community that could help your channel a lot! KCM2 is large star level since he uses Kurama's true power which was stated to "be able to turn the world into ash" and KCM2 in the Naruto databook was stated to have "earth shattering power, shaking the heavens". Which the Earth in Naruto just like One Piece is bigger than ours since in Naruto every village and every place and the entire planet was calc at 2x bigger than our sun. Putting the planet are large star level size. So KCM2 is large star level+ then gets the sage mode amp which is 10x since the curse mark and the Jiraiya sage mode statement in the databook of "the power being tens of times greater than before" so at this point he should be at least in the very very low levels of solar system level then gets more chakra which chakra=AP, and gets help from Jugo, Sasuke, Shikamaru, Tenten, and others including hundreds of other shinobi and them all together using an attack was "slightly" stronger than Juubito which Juubidara>Juubito and has infinite chakra and absorbed the ten tails which has "immeasurable power" and was stated to "be able to destroy all things in the universe" and his sharingan was stated to "be able to see all things in the universe" so he fills every requirement to be high universal and when Naruto gets base SoSP literally kicked existence erasure and brought 8 gates guy back to life like jesus and blitz and damage Juubidara who also tanked a kick from Guy which was "bending time and space" and has the rinnegan which adult sasukes was stated to "transcend dimensions" and is consistent since he can see Madara's limbo clones which are in a different plane of dimension. So base SoSP Naruto is at least multi-galaxy (low ball) and then gets uses SoSP chakra mode which can damage Kaguya who can create literally universal sized 4D time-spaces 5 to be exact and was stated to have greater chakra than Juubira which has 2 infinities of amounts of chakra and Sasuke who can see limbo clones and senses Juubiras infinite chakra but hers was too much. So Kaguya is Uni+ - low multiversal and was about to destroy her dimension which some argue was infinite, Obito says it's "vastly large" and can't sense the whole dimension and Naruto later no diffs Toneri in base who can "reshape the universe" and >Kaguya and (in the manga) can go relative with Momoshiki while amped who casually ate stars and created parallel universes and "had chakra beyond his parallel universe" which some think is infinite and created hyperspace / sub-spaces and can create an attack "to infinity" and absorbed Kinshiki we don't much about his scaling other than him "splitting worlds" and being above Kaguya, then Isshiki who can destroy dimensions casually and created "a world without konoha" and Bayron mode massilvey scales above that and people ask "if Baryon is above all these multiversal level beings why didn't he destroy the dimension in baryon mode?" There's statement from author of Boruto "Since Naruto & Sasuke are getting stronger and stronger the fights are going to be bigger but not as destructive since we don't want our main cast to look weak. Naruto & Sasuke would destroy everything around them" Basically the same reasoning to why SSJB Vegito vs Zamasu didn't even destroy the city they were in. So YES it's not wank it's very consistent and Zabuza has a water style attack which was stated to be able to "split everything" not sure what that means but I'll just say there is a downplay on Naruto's scaling as you see here. @@TUCKALMIGHTY

[@reggielacey2235]

​@@DarkTemple34no. Naruto stops at solar system and no immeasurable speed

[@DarkTemple34]

@@reggielacey2235 We can debate that but when did I say he had immeasurable speed?

[@Aluja77]

This video is so fucking well edited, deserves a sub. All tho I kinda disagree with Luffy´s raw power in this one since One Piece really is a strong world even stronger than Naruto in case of bare fist power. I think he would be able to damage Radditz, dont know if he would win tho

[@Aluja77]

And also, Ichigo lowball was crazy. There are many arguments of him being stronger than Cell or equal to perfect Cell

[@mAcChaosCh]

I think it would be interesting to place them at DB episode 1 Goku also as kids and see how they would handle each threat as they age and grow.

[@lancetheking7524]

Here's an idea: the big 3, but do a "potara fusion" of all 3 of them... yes a three way fusion, with a theoretical A x B x C power multiplier with a combination of every power

[@lancetheking7524]

There's also a Calc where it's "A + B × 100" from a super saiyan power scaler where A and B is the highest potential of the user (Goku MUI, Ultra Ego Vegeta ect.) Multiplied by 100 after adding eachother

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

We’ve actually thought about doing a video like this before! And I’m honestly just waiting till we find a good way to do it interestingly, or accurately. I think it’s a great idea regardless though, thanks for the suggestion!

[@limbo9993]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY I need a Madara + Aizen Potara Fusion it sounds to cool to pass up 🔥 “IT WAS ALL A PART OF MY PLAN” - Madaraizen after dying for the 47th time

[@cjcj4861]

​@@TUCKALMIGHTYit does not matter what the Dragon Ball verse has Luffy Naruto and Ichigo will be enough no matter how hard you try to fucking scale them and still would not matter get to the point where they destroyed super

[@cjcj4861]

​@@TUCKALMIGHTYdon't you dare low ball Luffy for you son of a bitch he destroys Dragon Ball Z without even using gear 5 stop the BS already

[@ikeillue8385]

Wow, we are really sleeping on DB power scaling here. Now, I want to premise this by saying that I have finished the original series of Bleach, all but the last few episodes of Naruto Shippuden, and I'm about 500 episodes into One Piece, so my scaling may not be 100% accurate, but I also haven't heard any good arguments against my scaling either. So, Master Roshi in the 21st world martial arts tournament was already powerful enough to destroy the moon. This level of power already dwarfs the power of all 3 of the characters in question, based on actual feats performed (statements are only not taken as hyperbolic, if they are comparable to other feats the character has performed, or if its reasonable that they could have increased their power to that level based on the scaling up from previously performed feats. I'll get to an example of that in a bit.). Then we move on to King Piccolo, who is planet level. Though, him being planet level is based on statements, we also see him scale up by multiple tiers from the master Roshi who blew up the moon, so its really not that much of a stretch to say that this is not exaggeration. This easily outclasses the actual feats performed by the other characters significantly. However, the important point here is, King Piccolo at this point is capable of keeping up with Goku, who is massively stronger than he was during the Red Ribbon arc, where he was shown to be capable of dodging light, which put him a relativistic speeds. My ultimate point here is, you have to be pretty generous to say that any of these guys make it past King Piccolo. Not to say that they are weak. Its just that Dragon Ball's scaling is so absurd, that it has already covered the average scaling of Shonen series, by the time it started coming up to the end game for original Dragon Ball. That said, I get that a video like this isn't really fun when you stop after 5 minutes, because the scaling in Dragon Ball is massively overpowered. I haven't finished the video yet, but I'm sure they will stretch pretty hard to scale these guys up to Frieza, maybe even further. (edit) I stand corrected, they weren't scaled quite as far as I thought, though close.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

So? I just want to say before I get into any sort of reply. That I don’t mind people leaving comments like this. I enjoy the discussion, and there’s obviously no Ill will here. Just two people talking about a fun hobby on the internet lol. But that said, I think the problem here in the scaling. Is that you’re taking the most charitable interpretations for Dragon Ball- and basically just casting aside the scaling for everyone else. For example? Roshi (while weaker) was still capable of squaring off with an Old King Piccolo just fine. Making it a bit of stretch to imply he surpassed both Moon & Small planet level power- to go straight into Planetary scaling for Late DB. Especially considering his son, Piccolo Jr. Who was also far stronger than him narratively- still really only has feats capping out in the Small Planet level ranges, after 8 years of training. For One Piece, yes. First 500 episodes Luffy stops hard way earlier. But? For Dangai Ichigo & SoSP Naruto. The same logic of vaguely scaling up from moon busters- sort of works for them too. Considering the Nine and Ten tails are stated to threaten the whole world many times. As well as the God tree being able to consume the world. And even stuff like Toneri planning to blow the earth up, or Kaguya casually destroying her own dimension- filled with stars and moons. Or for Ichigo, scaling higher than Old Man Yama. Who? By just standing around with his Bankai out- was going to destroy the planet sized soul society. As well as scaling way above his Vasto Lorde form, which could threaten the planet in some films. And for Speed? This is contentious- but generally we try to lowball here for Fairness. But yes, if you take “lasers” as legit. Then One Piece is Light Speed by episode 219 to 377 (the first a character dodges photons, the next when a character dodge’s explicitly air pushed at “the speed of light”) For Naruto it’s pretty much the same deal- by episode 16 of the original series. A character is stated to move at light speed, which Naruto then overpowers with Kurama Chakra. And for Ichigo, he’s blocking lasers by episode 14, where as by 154. Characters are dodging like- actual light. So yes, you can 100% say Kid Goku is relativistic, or light speed if you like. But it’s just sort of a point that goes no where. Since these three were all also basically LS by the beginning using those arguments. Again, no hate. I think Dragon Ball is really strong for a battle Shonen. I just also think, like most other Shonen. It didn’t start to really go crazy with the power scaling, until the transition to its “final saga” (which you have to keep in mind, Dragon Ball & DBZ are one story? Literally released back to back in Shonen Jump, without a break- unlike something such as boruto. It’s a direct continuation) So I’d personally say- King Piccolo/Piccolo Jr are both vaguely Moon To Small Planet. With Relativistic to Light Speed scaling. Lacking the feats to back up anything higher. Where as Naruto & Ichigo, are both far more so, into those Planetary; to Large Planetary scales- by the end of? Or well into- their sequels. Thanks for the comment though, I hope the video was still a fun watch.

[@ikeillue8385]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY Not exactly. I'm using the same standards for all 3 series. The thing is, having someone perform a moon busting feat, then see multiple tiers worth of power increase from the characters, then have another have a planet busting statement isn't that huge of a stretch. However, having the best feats in the respective series be maybe city level, maybe low continent level if we are being generous, then even with scaling them up multiple times, its a HUGE stretch to say that the planet busting. Roshi squaring off against Piccolo "just fine" is a very inaccurate statement. Roshi doesn't even bother trying to fight Piccolo, he immediately resorts to the mafuba. Also keep in mind, that this happened right after Piccolo casually beats Goku into a state of needing Yajurobi to carry him to Korrin's tower, and this was a Goku who had 3 years of training after being comparable power to the Roshi who destroyed the moon, and Piccolo hadn't regained his youth yet, which was a further power boost. That would be incorrect. Jr has no planet level feats. Literally the best feat in the series post moon bust, was another moon bust, and that doesn't happen until Dragon Ball Z, and I don't think anyone would be willing to argue that there has been no power increase in Dragon Ball from 21st world martial arts tournament Roshi and Piccolo post Radditz. As I said in my post, I'm going off admittedly limited information on the series, as I have only seen about half of One Piece, haven't watched thousand year blood war, and haven't watched Boruto. So there may be feats in the respective series/scaling from the characters that proves me wrong. However, from what I have seen and heard, the only things that really put them on those levels are statements alone. IE, I've heard people scale Ichigo to universe busting levels before blood war came out, yet the best feats I've seen in that series are city busting, and even if you are extremely generous with the scaling past the earliest point when such a feat happens, you aren't even getting to moon busting level. With your examples of Ichigo's power, those are just statements, which could be hyperbolic. The problem is, the actual feats performed aren't even hitting continent busting levels, so even if we are incredibly generous with the scaling, they still aren't getting anywhere near those levels. Naruto at least has a moon busting feat under his belt (sort of. It was a moon cutting feat, but he also handles it pretty easily, though this already happens at the end of Shippuden.). Sure, the tailed beats were stated to be at those levels, but again, my point is that they are statements that could be taken as hyperbolic, since there are no feats that directly put them at that level. And, when you consider that it was Naruto who was far stronger than those beats, who indirectly performed the moon cutting feat, it starts hurting the argument a bit. So, I can't really say much about the Kaguya example, because that happens a little farther in the series than I have watched. I could make some points against it, but it would ultimately be speculation, since I haven't seen it myself. All I can say is that I have had more people scale Naruto characters to moon level, than I have seen them scaled to planet/star busting level, so take that as you will. Same concept with Luffy, where they have more or less island busting feats being performed by characters like White Beard, who is a notoriously powerful pirate (again, I'm only about half way through Once Piece, so there may be more feats/scaling that I haven't seen yet.). So this one isn't even Luffy, so its not even like I can see how strong he is getting after that point, because he still needs to catch up, based on the point of the series I'm in (I have no doubt he will catch up and even surpass, but I haven't gotten that far, nor have I had anyone provide a reasonable argument for how he has surpassed that power by any huge amount.). Ultimately it feels a little disingenuous to scale Ichigo, Naruto, and to a lesser extent Luffy, to these planet busting levels using statements putting them at these levels, while simultaneously not taking King Piccolo's planet busting statement into account, especially considering that the feats he scales above are far closer to that planet level mark than the feats that the other characters scale above. As far as speed, I have absolutely no issue scaling any of these characters to light speed, or even higher, as they all are capable of reacting to light at some point in their series (though, with Ichigo its a bit of an assumption, since I don't know if its canon the the Cero are light or not, but I've heard that they are, so I'm going with it.). I would disagree about the argument of putting Kid Goku relativistic to light going nowhere. A number of the arguments made in the above video were pointing out that the big three protags had speed advantages, which, if using this as a baseline, their speed advantages would be drastically reduced, if not rendered completely null. IE, I believe that the claim was made that Luffy could out speed Radditz to grab his tail. If kid Goku is already relativistic, then that isn't happening. Radditz is easily going to be keeping up with those three in that case. They are only catching his tail, if they catch him by surprise like Goku did (which ultimately wouldn't make that much of a difference, since the series actually points out that Raddtiz was willing to cut off his own tail if it became necessary.). Though I disagree with that level of scaling for Piccolo, as I think that the series shows pretty significant increases in power between the initial feats that show those levels, and his power when he shows up, my biggest issue with it is that I feel like its not consistent with the standards being used for the other characters. Again, the others were scaled to planet level or even higher based on statements made about characters being able to destroy the world. Well, Piccolo was also stated to be able to destroy the world, so why wouldn't he be given that same benefit of the doubt, especially when the previous best feat is significantly closer to planet level than any of the other character's previous best feats? Lol, of course I had fun watching the video. I love this kind of play ground "my guy is stronger than your guy" type of debate nonsense.

[@thedarknessinthelight9824]

​@@ikeillue8385 The reason why Piccolo isn't given the planetary statement is simply due to him not having a high enough powerlevel. If you watched all the way up to the Raditz' section before commenting then you'd know that the baseline for planetary in Dragon Ball is to have a power-level of 10,000. You're being way too disingenuous to the Big 3 to say they can't handle Piccolo when you haven't really paid attention to the feats and power given to them from the video NOR when you haven't even experienced the full extent of their power. Some statements could be hyperbole, but not every one is.

[@ikeillue8385]

@@thedarknessinthelight9824 First of all, I'm like 99% certain that it has never been stated anywhere in the actual series what power level is needed to destroy a planet (maybe in the Buu section, when they are talking about the other version of "power levels" with the kili, or what ever it was, but we also don't really have a 1 to 1 on what they actually are compared to normal PL). Second, and building off what you said above, the only time in the canon material that claims that a power level of 10,000 is needed to destroy a planet, was in Diazenshuu. But it wasn't talking about destroying a planet like Earth. It was talking about destroying any planet, including large planets. For context, Earth is considered a tiny planet in Dragon Ball. Even if we go by real world comparisons, Jupiter has a mass of 318x that of Earth, and the most massive known planet in the universe is 13x that of Jupiter. However, it gets crazier when we go off of Dragon Ball reasoning, since plane Namek was so large that the explosion was visible from a galactic overview (anime), or dwarfed the surrounding stars (manga). The point is, in order to be powerful enough to destroy any planet in the universe with a power level of 10,000, its well within reason that King Piccolo's power level would be plenty high enough to destroy a small planet like Earth. Again, I specifically clarified that I was basing this off of the limited information I have. If there are any feats I missed, feel free to fill me in. If there are any feats that they get after the points I mentioned, I'm also all ears. I'm just saying, at the points in the respective series that I have gotten to, there are no hard feats, or scaling that would match them up to the power of King Piccolo (at least, not without being really generous with the scaling.). I would disagree about your assessment on hyperbolic statements. You are assuming that not every one is. The thing is, every one absolutely could be. The only reason to assume that those hyperbolic statements are literal, is either because other hyperbolic statements support them (which is circular reasoning.), or because I decided that they are literal (which is obviously not a good argument). Unless the feats actively line up with the statements, or it is reasonable to scale them up to that level of power based on earlier feats and shown power increases, there is no reason to assume that statements are literal.

[@dizzyb2309]

@@thedarknessinthelight9824King Piccolo is planetary if Naruto and Ichigo are. They don’t have any feats nor scaling placing them there.

[@hollow3450]

I can somewhat agree worh everything you said here but theres one rhing I like to mention, which is the initiat hax ability that every soul reaper has, which ofc includes ichigo. I know that no one considers or mentiones this ability in any what if that is outside of their verse because of how it just makes every fight unfair and pointless. The ability I mean is their ability to be preseved. If you don't have spiritual power you can't see him. So in theory, he could defeat and kill every enemy until cell or buu because they can't see, hear, feel or sense him. It's as if he doesn't exist to them. The reason why it would stop at either cell or buu, if we consider this ability, is because they both have to be fully obiterated to die, and ichigo doesn't have the fire power to do so. I could see him pass through cell too since it was gohan that defeated him and not goku, but it would at best stop at buu. But yeah if you don't consider this ability and just make it that that everyone can see him, like you did in this video, then I agree with how you placed them in here

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Yeah, I think this is one of those common things that most people don't really address- but since you left a comment about it? I'll mention the three reasons why I didn't personally factor it in. 1.) Just about any and every character who has access to "spiritual" anything in bleach. Can see Soul Reapers and Hollows. Ichigo's little sister, some of his classmates, etc... are all examples of humans who aren't particularly powerful? Seeing these invisible entities. So if having minor spiritual powers is enough, then the Ki Centric dbz cast can problem sense him. 2.) Every character (as far as I am aware) whether they have spiritual pressure or not, can still physically interact with Hollows/Soul Reapers. We see this when regular Human Chad (before getting his powers) throws hands with a hollow, through the help of Ichigo's sister. So? Frieza (if better in stats) could eventually still hit him. 3.) Ki sensing. Character's in Z have Scouters and energy sensing to detect spiritual power levels. So even if they can't "see" him. People like Ginyu and Frieza could likely track him just fine- even if we don't grant them actual sight. Hopefully, that explains why I didn't use it. But I hope you enjoyed the video regardless, and that this answered your question. Thanks.

[@eggdog6185]

​@TUCKALMIGHTY THANK YOU!!!!! I have been trying to get people see that

[@hollow3450]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY The thing is tho that ichigo's sisters are, well, his sisters. Their father is a soul reaper so all of them have unusualy high spiritual energy for a human. And it's not both sisters that can even see hollows, at least not from the beggining of the show. As for his friends, they can't see soul reapers or hollows from the start either. They can do so later on, the reason for them suddenly being able to do so is that they hang around a lot with ichigo, so they more or less get used to or increase their spiritual energy over time. Forgot the exact explenation but it was smth like that. As for the chad point, while frieza or any other character could in theory certainly hit ichigo, there is no reason for him to attack the air. Ichigo isn't really someone that usually cares a lot about fights being fair or fun like goku. He wouldn't announce his pressence to frieza and just attack and probably instantly go to the kill. As for the ki sensing, I guess it kinda depends if you wanna put ki and spiritual energy on the same level. Tho if you were to do so, then it woudln't matter at all in my eyes cause they would just be able to see him in general then. And since scouters are made to detect ki, not other energy, I doubt scouters would work at all. But yeah I did indeed like the video, just wanted to bring up a little descuision just for fun.

[@jdbm]

My thoughts... the Big 3 gets 1-finger-pointy-turn-kill from Frieza and then their grandfather Goku turns Ssj.

[@iv2joshuamaraj475]

Great video but i think you forgot to mention every time luffy laughs he gets stronger how about bobobobo vs Saitama lol as a video idea

[@MwateKawanje-uh9su]

You do know that vegeta's feat in the same saga have been calculated to dwarf Star level right.

[@BlackKingArmory]

About the Ginyu thing. Can Ginyu even swap bodies with a Ghost? I thought his whole thing was swaping souls but if Ichgo is already a soul then Ginyu realistically cant pull that move on him. And i do think Ichgo could squeeze out a win if were going with your logic put only becuse of a full power Getsu Getnsho. (I cant spell) Plus doesn't Ichigo have soul hax?

[@sam97764]

after some time ichigo can use all his powers in his body

[@mydeadlyadventuredescanorj9756]

I wonder about but for record for ragnarok, maybe that could be a video Idea for you, if you want I could tell you the rules?

[@MwateKawanje-uh9su]

Actually piccolo moon busting feat was calculated from as low as small planetary to as high as large planetary.

[@MwateKawanje-uh9su]

I'm more or less use the small planetary feat but you could argue large planetary but it's a little staffy for this time in dragon Ball.

[@shayukitsune8879]

Hey I’m a huge digimon fan it’d be so fun if there was a little digimon appreciation since it gets so little

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

We have actually been considering doing a Digimon video since late January, because of the 25th anniversary. So I’m definitely interested, once a cool enough topic comes to mind!

[@sanato1301]

How far in power do you think goku will get before dragon ball finally ends????

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Dragon Ball won't ever end, not as long as it makes Toei & Jump money lol. But a hypothetical end of franchise Goku will still have new places to reach in terms of power regardless. Because it's not really in his nature to ever stop growing. So? Bare minimum- he'll just be a stronger super Goku? With potential to just, continuously get higher feats and scaling forever--- to turn into like? A canon version of heroes Goku. If that makes sense.

[@sanato1301]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY you see him getting a other transformation down the line? I don’t know if he will since there treating mui as the final thing, but in the same time Frieza did one shot him 🤷‍♂️.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Yeah I mean? Like I said, it's basically the law of the land in DBZ. If it makes Toei & Jump money, then they'll do it. And transformations? Do indeed sell like hotcakes. That said? Considering Toyotarou, the guy who writes the DBS Manga? Is also the person who made SSJ 5. I think we'll probably get quite a few more new forms/power-ups in the years to come. Maybe even a potential canon SSJ 4 continuation.

[@sanato1301]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY i have a gut feeling that they will one day end super soon, and right after they will simply reboot gt or something. To continue from the end of z.

[@romanratliff8818]

@@sanato1301regardless of whether or not they do that, I have a feeling they will use the change state or whatever you wanna call it again as an end of super thing. It would have a chance of making Goku go from probably somewhere between GOD-Angel tiers, to #1 in the series. I mean, how could they reasonably end it if there’s someone stronger? That’s the whole narrative.

[@leiflarsen1908]

If you give Naruto and Ichigo the training buffs that goku got (9-ish times for king kai, 8-9 times for gravity), that should give them the edge to get through more of dragon ball, if you're counting all of the events including training. Same case for Luffy, I guess.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

This is 100% true, if they got all Goku's training arcs and amps? They'd be cooking for all of Z easy.

[@dripkublack1811]

​@@TUCKALMIGHTYthen beerus or majin buu would be the hard stop

[@ether2275]

True, if they were now part of the Dragon Ball world they would have to also play by Dragon Ball rules. This basically means that theit development would be vastly different than that of their own world.

[@nicolalama2562]

goku is a saiyan

[@dripkublack1811]

@@ether2275 not acctually since they don't have the growth Rate they goku does

[@alphawolf7417]

The only 1 i think could possibly last a while would be Ichigo. Not on raw power but on speed. Mostly cause Bleach characters have some stupidly crazy speed feats as early as SS Arc. And blades can work pretty well in DBZ, as shown by Trunks. But with how many villains have either A) Regeneration or B) planet erasing power, i can't see Ichigo making it past the Cell Saga.

[@darkstudios693]

I don't think anyone is making past namek saga

[@jocoolshow]

Ichigo kinda negs Cell with his AP and Soul Hax. Someone that’s fodder to Ichigo has a multi Solar system level feat from just releasing her Bankai while purposefully trying to hold back and not affect the Bleach realms, and someone who’s fodder even to that person by scaling (not by feats) has his own Multi Galaxy level creation feat on panel yet says he’s inferior to a Eyepatch on Shikai Kenpachi

[@darkstudios693]

bro cell has higher ap. And cell doesn't have that good hax to be negated anyway. Cell is just too fast, strong, durable, smart for ichigo@@jocoolshow

[@alphawolf7417]

@darkstudios693 Yeah, but I still feel confident Ichigo (more so than the other 2) can at least make it to Cell. Defeating him, though, would take a miracle.

[@raisefanfics]

Personally, I'd scale Luffy from Multi-Continent to Planetary level. Naruto as Star to Solar System level. Finally, Ichigo as Solar System to Universe level. But everything said in this video was correct, though the question does make us wonder: Who would succeed Goku. The answer: all of them. The idea and concept of what Goku represents is the base or tree trunk for the future branches to separate and create more branches onto itself, creating more inspired anime shows rooted from the big G himself, Son Goku. Alone, they're just good and amazing. Together, they bring inspiration that far surpass any before and after them (of course excluding Dragon Ball).

[@rlserik3751]

U scale ichigo to universal u gotta do the same for naruto honestly

[@raisefanfics]

@@rlserik3751 Bro, promise me, I think I'm making the right choice by saying this💀

[@rlserik3751]

@@raisefanfics . Ok agree to disagree i think im making a more obvious choice to , cant scale ichigo tht high unless u do the same for naruto

[@raisefanfics]

@@rlserik3751 kzbin.infou7whnvospNw But I think he scales to Universe

[@hextraordinaire2347]

​@@rlserik3751Ichigo is significantly stronger than Naruto

[@cheezygordito7627]

I think Ichigo might be able to force frieza into his battle form. Naruto and luffy get one tapped by base frieza. That’s if they even get by captain ginyu. Tbh I’m high balling them because if Roshi uses his evil containment wave to seal off Ichigo, they might not even make it to the Z series.

[@animemaster4412]

I completely agree with your opinion on where Naruto and Luffy stop but highly disagree on Ichigo’s placement. If you take into consideration the fact that Gremmy can create stars or potentially solar systems with his imagination and the fact Yamamoto’s Bankai can destroy entirety of the soul society which has stars in it. Yamamoto and Gremmy’s feats are likely solar system level of power and Senjumaru’s Bankai was stated to be able to destroy the 3 realms, a multi-solar system feat then ichigo at the end of TYBW possibly transcends that level of power. It’s pretty safe to say Ichigo is multi-solar system to galaxy level

[@EagleEyes500]

Creating fake stars means absolutely nothing. i’ve seen people in other anime and videogames create there own dimension with a sun and multiple stars and i can tell you there nowhere near close to planet level

[@animemaster4412]

What proof do you have that there fake stars?

[@EagleEyes500]

@@animemaster4412 The fact that all of it disappeared with gremmy? I mean you can also say its a pocket dimension and my point still stands, gremmy doesnt scale to what he created. I’ve seen it before in other anime and games where person creates there own dimension with stars and a sun but there nowhere near planet level

[@idkmehboi1972]

​@EagleEyes500 what about the fact that gremmy made 2 living people

[@bonzoluv]

Naruto can get up there too. Biggest issue for them all is speed. In terms of power both Naruto and Ichigo can beat anyone

[@5h0ckblock]

Would body swap work on Ichigo? He's a spirit, his body is back at home.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Kind of debatable I guess. His spiritual body still bleeds, and takes damage like a regular body. But his human body is an entirely separate physical entity. So? Maybe he resists the body swap- if you do interpret him as "just a soul"

[@caseywhite9770]

So imma play devils advocate a little bit here, In regards to the ginyu fight, Naruto has a potential chance because 1. If he makes shadow clones, Ginyu wouldn't know which is the real one 2. If Naruto summons toads, they coupd potential get Ginyu in a genjutsu (or jump in front of Naruto to be hit by a body change, resulting in a toad Ginyu X'D) 3. If naruto uses Ichibi chakra, he could potentially seal Ginyu, at least lo g enough to maybe get a breather 4. If Naruto needed to get out, he could reverse solummon himself and survive to fight another day 5. Naruto could potentially catch Ginyu with a sunlbstitution jutsu if he tries changing bodies 6. If Ginyu did body change with Naruto, this would result in o e of two outcomes, 6a. Ginyu now has to fight internally with an u cooperative Kyūbi, and not really have access to any of that power or Naruto's techniques 6b. Less likely, but potentially ginyu swaps with both naruto and kurama, leaving him alone in naruto's body without the 9-tails, and leaving Naruto and Kurama in his body, leaving them stronger than before lol? For Ichigo, just two things really, but they may be a bit of a stretch 1. If I am not mistaken, cant he open interdimensial portals? If so, potentially being able to escape, or trap Ginyu somewhere 2. His sword us litterally made for destroying souls, so i imagine it would have some protection if used against Ginyu's Body Change?

[@TheUnseenPath]

I’m still confused as to why you made Luffy struggle against demon king piccolo I don’t get the explanation. What is piccolo struggle because Lucy’s made of rubber and punches don’t exactly hurt him. But there is a plethora of things that Luffy can do to piccolo since he can turn his environment rubber. You're seriously under balling Luffy jeez xD. Same with the other 2.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Luffy lacks in AP. That’s pretty much my thoughts behind it. Piccolo blew up the moon with one hand (demon king piccolo could blow up the moon with his full power) and Luffy? Well- he’d be sort of lucky to go above Mutli-Continental power, as far as I know. I do think he wins though, if that helps at all. As I did mention, I think he could maybe make it to Nappa.

[@aymanbouyaya4759]

Not getting hurt by punches may not hurt him , but as seen in the anime and manga laser beams and energy blasts can in fact do damage to him and king piccolo has those in his arsenal

[@bungusbongus]

I'd say at minimum Ichigo makes it to late stage buu saga since the word galaxy is said a few times in the manga for example the gag of Kon kicking a pebble to a "distant galaxy." You can't really use it to scale everyone since it's obviously a joke but since Yhwach was gonna destroy the universe which has been said to have galaxies in it anyone who scales to him would be multi galaxy.

[@dizzyb2309]

How many times must be it be explained how the universe in Bleach was gonna collapsed? It’s not something that can be attributed to DC/AP

[@bungusbongus]

@@dizzyb2309 it's not about the destruction? Sure that's one way of scaling it since yhwach was about to pull them all manually, but the main reason it scales to it is because his casual reiatsu is able to maintain the realms casually. They weren't passively coming together yet because yhwach's passive reiatsu output enough to push them out. Meaning he, and by extention anyone who scales to him, is equal/greater than the three realms. Go back and read it and you'll see.

[@hitogi06]

​@@bungusbongusdon't bother. Even though the corps that's had its organs scooped out, limbs chopped off, and sealed in a crystal still had the power to hold three planets away from each other, from different dimensions while also keeping the subspace that everything is with from collapsing on itself, ichigo is still just planetary. It's completely ridiculous. Yhwach corps is doing the same thing, and the last time I checked corpses are weaker than the living. Which means ichigo even being able to cross blades with him should put him at galaxy minimum. Yamamoto literally has the sun as his bankai, and he is weaker than eos ichigo.

[@qtindavis433]

perfect!!

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Always appreciate the nice comments, thanks!

[@qtindavis433]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY how far would part one luffy get in naruto. how far would ichigo get naruto. how far would naruto get in one piece. how far would luffy get in bleach

[@marckennethgates9141]

I’d estimate that if they was in the buu ark all of them would have died within seconds depending on when they got their

[@durieljohnson1123]

great video but i definitely think naruto and ichigo mid balled can atleast be solar system lvl. kaguyas truth seeking orb was going to destroy and restart the timespace, which had stars, planets and moons. naruto and sasuke grow to become powerful enough to take on kaguya lvl threats on their own, like momoshiki and kinshiki. base momoshiki had created a parallel universe with stars, planets and nebulae (plural nebula). momoshiki goes on to absorb kinishiki and become massively more powerful, all to get taken on by a 50% sasuke and naruto. im not as well versed in bleach bc its been ages since i read it, but naruto and ichigo should get atleast to the cell saga

[@somedudewithakeyboard5388]

6 paths sage giant Kurama fighting a Great Ape Vegeta and winning due to hax, strategy, and exploitation of a few key weaknesses sounds fuckin awesome. it'd literally be like the early days of Naruto, where all the fights heavily relied on their creativity and planning, just on a much larger scale

[@LunarEntity]

Man, I've never seen Naruto given such a massive high-ball. Really funny.

[@-Arcueid_Brunestud-]

Actually it's not

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Yeah, I don't really think Large Planet is much of a highball for a Boruto era Naruto at all.

[@-Arcueid_Brunestud-]

Literally the 10 tails in its 2nd form was forming a small planet of chakra Obito absorbed it & planned to destroy the world with Nunoboku Planetary feat there you go Also that was kcm2 sm btw😭👁️‍🗨️

[@Animeguy180-]

@@TUCKALMIGHTYthat a low ball for Naruto

[@williamdarrylntouba7983]

@@Animeguy180-no it’s the reality of things

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

DB Master roshi in a guide was stated to be able to power a star

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

I've never seen this particular guide, but if it exists? It's just a massive, massive outlier- without much backing in the context of the story (like the Naruto guidebook that calls Temari "Universal")

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY I should have saved the entire game guide when I saw it but it also states that Saiyan Saga goku's spirit bomb was that of a small super nova. It also had a really weird, and slow speed meta for the characters taking into account the real world physics of going passed like mach 4-7

[@kamekashi]

And people say gear 5 solos💀💀💀

[@bungusbongus]

I'd say he'd probably make it a little further than it was said in this, since OP scaling is heavily dependent on the size of the planet. On the larger ends it's scaled to Star level, which I'd say would get him far into the freiza saga, probably hard caps at freiza thou.

[@connorschultz380]

I like this I forget alot that buu han has uni and beyond feats in the anime, I always perfered the galaxy level scaling with GT going above in mult glaxaxy level, because it means dragonball has a character basically at every rank from orginal to GT to Super

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

I'm glad you enjoyed the video. And? I'm personally of the opinion that the only universe busters in OG dragon ball z are Vegito and Enraged Buuhan (since they actually scale into GT by some degree) and this puts me more inline with that Galaxy level meta you prefer as well. But I did bring it up as a highball. Just for the people who would high ball the Big 3 as well. Hope that explanation helps!

[@connorschultz380]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY sorry if this is a big question, but I wonder where you put heros goku?

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

To be honest? He's basically as strong as the writers need him to be. He's beaten Multi-versal beings in base form, and fought enemies who could threaten "the real world". Bare miniumum I'd say he's Hyperversal and could easily be outerversal, if you're charitable with him. He's so strong, that's there's no real other numbers I can put on it, to quantify unfortunately.

[@connorschultz380]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY thank you for the reply!

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

No worries, always happy to reply with new subscribers!

[@hezyh7688]

I think u forgot 2 things about Ichigo, Reiatsu can negate hax just how Aizen did and another thing reiatsu isnt a life energy it is the essence of a shinigami. You said Ichigo doesnt have any hax but being invisible and intangible is basically his hax + having 2 zanpakto spirits + you have Grimmjow who isnt near Ichigo's level was stated by shinji that Grimmjow and Luppi 2 fodders compared to Ichigo that they can destroy the sun if they fire a cero... Ichigo has blut vene also like he has getsuga jujisho he can use cero's + gran rey getsuga's like... and if you watched the first movie which is canon we litteraly saw a solar system feat via Senna like Ichigo is alot higher than both Naruto and Luffy. I do think Ichigo stops at Buu tho 😅

[@Force-Multiplier]

absurdly bad scaling Shutara already shaked up *3 different universes* by just releasing her power while she was holding back thats Dragon Ball *Super* level not Z Zamatsu from Dragon Ball Super would no diff DBZ versions of Goku and he did it without holding back Shutara was purposely doing so and Ichigo is much stronger than her if you don't use actually relevant post Zamatsu Arc DBS versions of Goku he gets muderstomped by Ichigo who crossed Irazusando wich as stated in the cannon Anime "begins but doesn't end" making it an infinite dimension

[@saadaziz1413]

YES I WANT TO SEE ARCHIE SONIC VS DRAGON BALL OR GAME SONIC OR MOVIE SONIC OR FLEETWAY SONIC OR YOU EVER VERSION OF SONIC YOU LIKE VERSION SONIC IN DRAGON BALL

[@limbo9993]

Fire video! 🔥 I'll be honest, I think they'd get a little further. Not by too much, but I think they could take Frieza down. Luffy, well, uh, he can't. But I think Naruto and Ichigo could take the win against Frieza. They both have Star Level - Solar System Level scaling (Kaguya's and Momoshiki's Realms or Senna and Squad 0 Feat) which should put them in the same league as Frieza physically imo. In terms of speed they should both be MFTL+ at their peaks and relative to Frieza especially with novel scaling for Naruto. And their hax would give them an edge as well, but tbf I think once they get to the Android Saga they probably ain't gonna do too well. So imo Luffy - Gets to Nappa and Vegeta before losing Ichigo - Gets to the Androids and Cell before losing Naruto - Gets to the Androids and Cell before losing This is just my opinion though, and ik that I scale The Big 3 (especially Naruto) a bit higher than most, so I understand if you disagree. (Note that while I do somewhat buy Universal Naruto and Ichigo, I'm not using them here as Frieza Level characters and beyond also have Universal level metas, and I don't feel like discussing Universe Busting Naruto and Ichigo fighting Buu or something as that would take too long to explain lol). But maybe, just maybe, a set of shiny golden earrings or a funny alien dance could give the Big 3 a better chance...

[@vitoscaletta822]

I disagree with you

[@limbo9993]

@@vitoscaletta822Okay, and that’s fine. We can all have our own opinions. 👍🏻

[@bluemors2211]

@@limbo9993 o problema é que a sua opinião literalmente esta errada, naruto nem tem status para lutar com o freeza primeira forma kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[@limbo9993]

@@bluemors2211 No, Naruto has fought people who have star destroying to solar system destroying power just like Namek Saga Frieza. So yes, he does have a good chance against him.

[@bluemors2211]

deve ter 12 anos, e viu naruto de outra dimensão kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[@chaseholt3677]

Wait but cant ichigo attack souls? Someone using a soul swapping attack probably wouldn't work too well

[@Ant_West]

I do have a suggestion, but I am really not sure how well this is going to be. So you did the big 3 of shonun jump, being Luffy, Naruto and Ichigo yeah? Maybe you could make it so Mario and Sonic work together to try and get through the Dragon Ball story. Yes I know that once Super Comes out, Mario will struggle, and maybe before that, but I want to see how it would be if Mario and Sonic worked together. You can even put Luigi and Tails in if you want.

[@halojeff15]

I'm guessing more odd bleach scaling so ichigo makes it to buu saga or super , naruto somehow is cell saga and ofc luffy in the back with yamcha when realistically all 3 don't make it past frieza

[@sphera4147]

Ichigo one shots DBZ Frieza lmao

[@reggielacey2235]

You know nothing about naruto or bleach

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

You know I’m honestly surprised how accurate your prediction was. You guessed like, half the video. Takes a true TUCKALMIGHTY veteran to guess my takes lol. So good on you. Hopefully them stopping at Frieza was enough of a plot twist to keep it interesting.

[@nerdtom4513]

@@reggielacey2235 And do you know scaling? Naruto stops at Android saga and Ichigo stops at start of super or end of Z.

[@vitoscaletta822]

@@sphera4147 Naruto is not universal luffy is not MFTL+ ichigo is not 6D

[@corvus71]

I'm not some fanboy of the big three but how would Ginyu who couldn't even figure out how to use Goku's body correctly which uses same energy source (Ki) have any idea how to use chakra or spiritual pressure? He would swap bodies and just do nothing. But lets ignore that and say its all just the same energy juice stuff. Naruto has Kurama inside his body. Would Kurama enter Ginyu's body with Naruto? Would that kill the body Ginyu just entered since ripping a tailed beast from a Jinchuriki kills them? Even if Kurama stayed in Naruto's body with Ginyu he wouldn't give Ginyu any of his power. In fact Kurama could even disrupt Ginyu if he wanted. There's no guarantee that Ginyu would have any idea how to even contact Kurama to even try and take his power. Not to mention Ginyu doesn't know how to make chakra flow in the complicated way Naruto characters do to make a jutsu. Sure it may be the same energy stuff but its being used in a very complicated way that Ginyu won't know about. Ginyu couldn't figure out a rasengan mid fight for example. Then there's Ichigo. He has MUCH higher feats than he's given credit for. In Ichigo's Vasto Lorde form in the Arrancar arc he's far beyond a level of power that would threaten to wreak havok on Hueco Mundo. (That being Grand Rey Cero which were forbidden by Aizen for their destructive power). Not saying that a Grand Rey Cero would destroy Hueco Mundo or anything but it is a full sized dimension right? I'm not one-hundred percent familiar these days with exactly what is said in the source material (that being the manga) since I haven't read it in years but considering how much stronger he gets even by his Fullbring Bankai I personally think he is maybe Namek Super Saiyan Goku as a high ball and third form Frieza as a fair estimate by the end of Bleach. In my mind though he can definitely beat Ginyu. As for Luffy I think you were spot on. Naruto =/> Ginyu Ichigo =/> Third Form Frieza to SSJ Goku Luffy < Nappa I'm probably completely wrong and have no idea what I'm talking about as I haven't read them in a bit but this is what immediately comes to mind from what I remember.

[@LinkedHero]

All of them individually no diff the saiyan arc at least

[@nuclearwaste2062]

The big 3 did not make anime mainstream. Anime was already mainstream by the 2,000s. With toonami well into its prime. It was dbz, sailormoon, cowboy bebop, and others that made anime mainstream back in the 1990s. It was those shows that paved the way for the big 3 and revolutionized the dubbing industry which is why the big 3 didnt get the amount of horrible dubs that dragonball and sailormoon suffered from.

[@scar2377]

Why not do a what if Naruto Luffy and ichago was born in the world of dragon still keeping there powers but having tk go through the carzy training

[@nivarnpaku8430]

I think you forgot goku was dodging laser and the solar flare which is light in earily dragon ball

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

I didn't forget, I just think it's a bit of an outlier. With two things that aren't really stated or shown to be light speed. If you think Kid Goku is light speed though, that's fine. Naruto, Luffy, and Ichigo also have light speed metas that are earlier in their series. Based on how you'd like to spin the numbers.

[@nivarnpaku8430]

Well I mean Tien call the solar flare light@@TUCKALMIGHTY

[@sam97764]

its not dodging, he just knew were the enemy was aiming and dod- oh fuck it is dodge!

[@nivarnpaku8430]

I....Don't know to reply to this@@sam97764

[@saadsami8860]

Luffy caps vs king piccolo

[@specialnewb9821]

Roshi also has pseudo ultra instinct...

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

In the manga continuity, Maybe? But he trains a lot off screen in Dbz & Dbz continuity (or at least? It’s implied he does) So I wouldn’t imagine it’s fair to say he’s T.O.P. Level back in classic DB.

[@specialnewb9821]

@TUCKALMIGHTY Hmm I am not aware that he trains much off screen. I know he does before ToP but not sure when else. And he does do the pseudo UI in ToP anime, but it's downplayed compared to manga. Anyhow not arguing results, just that the guy is really skilled.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Yeah, Goku mentions he was training a lot off screen in the Super Anime, during Tien’s little filler arc thing. But Roshi is indeed very skilled regardless, and super underrated as a fighter.

[@Sukuna2018dec]

Someone by the @gokuyen stole your video

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Man, you’re such a life saver! Would never have caught it. Thanks so much.

[@themonkeyking2326]

Naruto and luffy are not beating raditz

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Luffy is fast enough to grab the tail, so is Naruto. If you’re just talking about stats though. Naruto clears, Luffy probably gets negged- or he manages the special beam canon strat.

[@themonkeyking2326]

@TUCKALMIGHTY but wouldn't raditz be planetary, considering that at a pwr lvl of just over 100, roshi blew up the moon, so if raditz is like 15 times that he should be planetary, or nigh planetary

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Yeah, this is 100% true. Naruto has handled planet level threats in the past however, such as Toneri (who was going to destroy earth) and Kaguya, who destroyed her entire dimension. This is backed up by Naruto no selling two casual Moon level (or similar) attacks in his series. But I do agree, Raditz is some degree of planetary.

[@themonkeyking2326]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY ah. I see, that makes sense.

[@OtsutsukiMelvyn]

Nah your downplaying the big 3 like crazy. The weakest I'd naruto yh I know controversial but he's not that behind luffy Naruto ap is star to solar system due to momoshiki and kaguya. Naruto have ftl+ speed around 75ftl.his hax are pre cog dura neg Luffy is below naruto in ap with planetary to dwarf star lvl ap do to the yonkos being able destroy the planet and op planet is the size of a star. His speed is mftl easily with resets and multipliers. Hax are future sight dura neg and toon force Ichigo carries hard with galaxy to uni ap motherfucker he gets to this but scaling to kempachi yamato ywach and soul King. His speed is mftl+ easily. Hax are non existent. Luffy and naruto are beating the shit out of the giunyu force but getting stooped at freiza. With itchigo he could get to buu or with a high ball berrous

[@selakforn]

If they struggled with vegeta in saiyan saga they would get one shot by Recoome. Vegeta after fighting goku got a zenkai boost went on to get dominated by Zarbon then he got another zenkai boost and still got dog walked by Recoome.

[@vitoscaletta822]

Muken is not infinite cause it's proven in the Manga to have a circumference around the Seireitei, Ichigo and his friends were literally able to walk around it Hueco Mundo being infinite is not true since people don't know the metaphorical meaning of "Endless sand" Aizen is not 4D or didn't Transcend anything, in that context of him talking about 2d and 3d beings he was just referring to him being above any Shinigami/hollow Gremmy pocket dimension of celestials bodies had no Gravity system, so those stars/Galaxies aren't naturally made, Powerscaling forbids scaling objects that aren't naturally made otherwise Kaguya would be solar+ since she created her own dimensions with stars/Moons Yhwach has never shown any universal feats Ichigo should be solar at best

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Yeah? I literally agree with all of this, not a single problem with this comment. You summed up my thoughts on Ichigo’s scaling perfectly. I don’t know who wronged you enough to write such a perfect rebuttal to Universal Ichigo. But by all means, keep cooking man, Lol.

[@vitoscaletta822]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY Thanks man,you have earned a new subscriber

[@Excaliber682]

Ichigo and his friends walked around the Muken 💀 What arc is that?

[@idkmehboi1972]

This comment lost me when was muken ever confirmed to have a circumference

[@mufeezsyed2664]

​@@idkmehboi1972he definitely has not read bleach manga my guy is yapping nonsense

[@MwateKawanje-uh9su]

Do you know that Naruto has Star level attacks right. he possibly even has solar system level feats right. To scare him off of hagia. Who created a space with a star and a moon and more space probably. And Naruto with half of his powers able to beat a guy who stronger than hagia that's granting him star to solar system level AP.

[@TheUnseenPath]

Vegeta detroying the world with two fingers I am pretty sure was non canon and was show only. Ginyu would be weaker with a body swap since he doesn't know how to use their powers in the first place.

[@paselitoru]

Even if the big three somehow made it to Namek ain't no way they hanging with SSGoku or Frieza full power. But what really surprised me is that Luffy Gear 5 didn't solo the verse since the fans wank him so hard. DBZ Naruto and Bleach were my childhood anime while DC and Marvel shit was my childhood superhero stuff. DBZ fighters compared to most anime (Not Light Novel characters) are just too strong. Same for DC and Marvel characters they are stupidly busted.

[@Kanyes-alt]

I disagree but… great video

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

How far do you think they’d get?

[@Kanyes-alt]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY id scale ichigo to 5d+-8d so majin buu arc majin buu manage to shake multiple realms also Naruto can help a tiny bit but not much same with luffy at that point but yea

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

I actually mention that at the end of the video, if you’re big fan of the universal and higher scaling metas for Naruto or Ichigo. Then I do agree, they’d stop at Buuhan.

[@Kanyes-alt]

Ik I posted this before watching the full video mb>_

[@Coldskin1]

​​@@Kanyes-altbleach dont have infinite universes so no 5d+ scaling

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

Nah great ape vegeta was literally able to tag kaio ken goku, which shocked goku

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

This is true, but Goku didn't beat that Vegeta. He ran away from him, charging spirit bomb- until someone cut his tail off. Considering Naruto has clones, and Ichigo could do the cutting by himself- I think they'd be okay.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY my point was that Vegeta being great ape doesn't really hinder his speed

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

I didn’t mean it hindered his speed, just his flexibility. His physical stats all go up, he’s just not as small, letting things like Goku occasionally dodge him- make more sense.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY Yes, his size being altered did make him nowhere near as agile

[@odin....]

Luffy gets past the saiyan saga but dies during namek. Naruto dies during either namek or the cell saga. Ichigo would could die at either namek, the cell saga, or the buu saga depending on how you scale him.

[@rodbrutal-nc2qe]

Uhh my guy onigishima luffy is wayyyyyy stronger then pre saiyan arc characters up till maybe frieza saga . In envies lobby rob Lucci confirmed power level was like 4.1k so it's safe to say envies lobby luffy would dust piccolo in the 23rd martial arts

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

The power levels in One Piece (Doriki scale) aren’t the same as the Frieza force power levels. That said, he could still probably make it to Saiyan arc imo.

[@rodbrutal-nc2qe]

@TUCKALMIGHTY that's hard to argue given we don't really if theirs a difference at all.

[@unoreversecard8590]

Luffy and Naruto so far don't even get past the sayin Saga Ichigo is debatable on if he could get past the Buu saga

[@King-mg7vy]

Power scalers are a virus that kills every fanbase that has "scale worthy" characters. BUT, I'll do it this way, Goku didn't kill Raditz because he wasn't strong enough, Gear 5 Luffy with his gimmick could get past him, in fact I'm pretty sure he'll clear the whole verse in Goku's absence. IN GOKU'S ABSENCE.....which means, for the mentally ill out there, whatever Goku went up against, Luffy now has to.

[@eddieboston6540]

nah the downplay is hard you right on luffy. naruto and ichigo have real feats to get to universal. kaguya is universal and she is fodder to base naruto who took hits from a stronger momoshiki who already fodder kaguya in his weaker stat. baryon mode is a star level amp on naruto's universal base tat is at least a million times multiplier that lets him one shot all of Z. naruto beats Z in kcm2 form that's thousands of times universal.

[@ragna8732]

Luffy 5-B Naruto 5-A to 4-C ichigo 3-C Goku. 2-C

[@kirk5649]

Kid Goku could 1v3 the big 3

[@kurokyoto6221]

well, ichigo wasn't using his power right at all, so instantly dead, even if he was he learned too late since goku is already ui. can't beat that. naruto is just dead because anything from a ki blast through the chest to a destructo disc is instant death, unless he can clap his hands fast enough to make a clone in time. and luffy can be cut since he's rubber so again, destructo disc. or someone could just punch him into the ocean. 🤷

[@ThereIsOnlyHell]

Black Frieza KICKS THEY ASS

[@loxer1869]

No shit Sherlock

[@dylanhudec979]

The big 3 vs Goku (rip the big 3)

[@roodyg5352]

I like all 4 anime lol

[@sethreddick1181]

Realistically both Naruto and Ichigo are bare minimum star level

[@sam97764]

naruto is moon level shut up, Ichigo is universal, since ichigo's vasto lord scream shakes the entire hueco mundo

[@christopher_silver]

Bleach has no planetary feats, maybe Ywach who could be multi planetary and soul king. So realistically they all lose at the Namek Saga. Good video 👍

[@eazy2rememberr]

Narutos not getting past radits

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Kind of hard disagree, Raditz caps at small planet, to Planetary. With FTL speed. Can’t see how even a super low balled Naruto loses (Small Planet, with FTL speed, and better Hax.)

[@eazy2rememberr]

Naruto is Arguably FTL unlike Goku who was FTL or arguably FTL+, This scales Radits higher considering he outran Goku Kamehameha in his fight, a better Kamehameha than Master Roshie's which reached the moon in seconds.

[@eazy2rememberr]

Piccolo who casually busted the moon had a power level of 322( which is light speed btw). Your suggesting that he'd beat a vegeta who's power level was 27,000 in saiyan saga

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

You’re a little confused about the numbers? But otherwise I agree. Piccolo had a power level of 422, not 322. And Piccolo’s blast was calced at around 25% the speed of light I believe. Vegeta’s max power is 18,000 (not 27,000) which would make Raditz barely FTL (which is consistent with light speed special beam canon statement) where as Vegeta should be like? 12 times FTL? (Or 45x if you just call Piccolo LS, which is fine as well.) Naruto on the other hand is definitively FTL. (Dodged a light beam point blank, and has light speed scaling in the series much earlier) and? In terms of AP. He’s bare minimum Small Planet (oneshot a casual moon buster) and more accurately like- Large Planet to dwarf Star as an adult, for handling the realm destroying Kaguya. Just my thoughts though.

[@eazy2rememberr]

Tbh the only person that carries is ichigo. Narutos speed scales are a handful with one that is clearly stated in the narrative to be light speed unless your adding the so called Haku feat lol🤷🏽‍♂️

[@romanratliff8818]

I’m someone who personally believes in a lower meta for Luffy and a higher meta for Naruto and Ichigo This is how I see it: Luffy: Loses to Jackie Chun, Tien, both Piccolos, ect. Basically the big hitters in og dragon ball. (Luffy ≈ country level imo) Naruto: Can probably beat frieza with SO6P, as well as 19/20 at most. Baryon Mode would probably be needed for him to barely win against 17/18, assuming we take out its stamina issue. 16 and any version of Cell destroys him pretty easily. (Naruto ≈ Star in so6p, Large star at most in Baryon mode) Ichigo: Can make it to the Cell games. True Bankai HOS can probably beat regular Cell, however would have a lot of trouble actually killing him. If Super Perfect Cell comes out, it’s over for all of bleach outside characters with The Almighty (Jugram, Yhwach, Hypothetical Prime Soul King) (Ichigo ≈ Low-mid Solar System)

[@reggielacey2235]

Ichigo is universal dude and naruto is solar

[@gorge1365]

​@@reggielacey2235 Naruto is higher actually due the Novels and Data Books. He gets criminaly lowballed.

[@romanratliff8818]

@@reggielacey2235 I don’t agree with metas that get bleach higher than solar system.

[@romanratliff8818]

@@gorge1365 LN Naruto should be scaled separately due to being from the LN and not animanga

[@gorge1365]

@@romanratliff8818 The Novels are Canon to the Franchise.

[@Dakingalbert2]

Naruto gets MUCH STRONGER after the end of shippiden so u might wanna add adult hokage naruto in there he literrally gets a whole nother half of kurama added to what he already had plus experience for example teen naruto wont beat ichigo but adult naruto esp with baryon mode WILL since isshiki is easily multi planetary or beyond since he scales way above kaguya

[@gorge1365]

Hardly disagree, but nice try. Naruto and Ichigo are actually Low Multiversal+ Scale with Massive FTL+ Speeds, with Naruto being above Ichigo due Data Books confirming that Kaguya's dimensions are Universes + Kaguya was gonna one shot all of it with Naruto's own universe (Low Multiverse or Multiverse Scale Feat), Naruto in Six Paths fought her off with Sasuke. Adult Naruto is also considared to be above Kaguya but below Ishiki who was the strongest in the Verse, until Naruto beat him with Baryon Mode. Ichigo at best was fighting off Ywach who was about to destroy the Bleach Universe by making it collapse on it's destruction (He wasn't goin to one shot it), but still powerful enough to defeat high tier Shinigami's like Yamamoto and Ichibe. Dangai Ichigo is actuslly his Peak, and almost stalemating Teen Six Paths Naruto in the Power Scale, but Adult Naruto is another type of monster. Naruto Speed is between MFTL+ to Immesurable, due being way faster than his father (Minato) who can use a jutsu to teleport "Across Time and Space" as the Data Book state and was also reacting to Kaguya who was faster than them, all that was Teen Naruto, Adult Naruto is obviously above his Teen Self. Ichigo at best was FTL+ in Shikai as he cross the Garganta and a Dimmension to get to Soul Society in less than a few minutes, Ichigo using Bankai should be 10× faster, MFTL, Danga Ichigo is logicly faster due him fighting off Aizen who transended all things in Bleach, MFTL+ to possibly Immesurable Speed. In Haxs, Naruto is the dangerous one of the three. Luffy can be physically stronger due One Piece's Planet being larger and bigger than Saturn (Theorized), his Feats with that theory are more than insane, but in power he is behind Naruto and Ichigo. I can see them clearing Z. Luffy loses to high tiers in Super. Naruto and Ichigo stops at Broly (Super). Adult Naruto Stops at Blue Gogeta in a good fight with Baryon Mode.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

I mention this entire concept in the video, if you watched to the end. I just disagree with where they stop. If you believe Kaguya’s dimensions & Bleach’s dimensions are universal scale (not planetary scale) then they’d be Uni+ to Low-Multi. Naruto is not faster than flying Raijin, because even Six Paths Naruto used it to get to the battle field- and so has Boruto recently. Which caps Naruto at FTL+ or MFTL. And Ichigo should be in a similar boat to Naruto as well. With FTL feats, and bunch of upscaling. Immeasurable speed being pretty unlikely? But slightly more so possible than Naruto IMO. Naruto is the most Hax, Luffy even with the most massive highball is like Star level, and Ichigo has similar stats to Naruto since HoS is just Dangai, plus his hollow & soul reaper/Quincy powers. Luffy stops at Frieza with a highball (who is Star to Large Star level, with FTL+ to MFTL speed) And the other two stop at Buu-han, who was going to collapse the universe- just the same as Kaguya or Yhwach (except buuhan is way more Hax than Kaguya, and far more consistently powerful than either below him- as he can 100% be high balled himself, in Low-Multi.) Those are just my thoughts though. Hopefully that explained everything.

[@gorge1365]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY I respect your take. The Naruto Dimensions are really confirmed to be "Universes" in both Data Books and Novels, If we take Storm Games (Yea, as crazy as it sounds, Kishimoto say it is Canon to the series, due not contradicting his work) then Kaguya created a Multiversal Scale real in her battle against Team 7. Low Multiversal+ to possibly Multiversal, is an alright place for Teen Naruto. Adult Naruto was beating people who were like Kaguya, but lost to the strongest, until he defeated him using Baryon Mode. | Adult Naruto could be Slightly Multiversal normaly and using Six Paths to Multiversal+ using Baryon Mode. Teen Naruto was actually keeping up with Minato using Flying Thunder God, and Minato was also in Bijuu Mode, then in Storms Game we can confirm this due Naruto and Minato's Team Ultimate Jutsu. | Teen Naruto at that point was at the same ballpark as the Flying Thunder God jutsu (Crossing Time and Space in an instant - Data Book), Naruto after obtaining Six Paths chakra, he gets faster than that. Ichigo can be Multi Universal+ with his True Shikai and Bankai, due fighting off Ywach who was about to make the Universe collapse to it's destruction. | Dangai Ichigo is Low Multiversal with MFTL [+] due defeating Aizen who transended everything in Bleach. Luffy is kinda tricky, normally he can Scale to Planet Level, but If he take the One Piece Planet is bigger than Saturn theory, then he should scale higher, probably around Galaxy Scale, but Luffy is still a physical fighter, I can see him being physical stronger while also using Haki, than both Naruto and Ichigo who will blow him away with Raw Power. With all that: Ichigo normally will Stop at U6 vs U7 Tournament Arc from Super. Dangai Ichigo might Stop at Broly (Super). Teen Naruto stops at Gogeta (Super Movie), now that I think of it a little more. Adult Naruto could clear Super Anime, but I can see him stop at Current Goku (Manga).

[@darinekarameh58]

I am sorry but I am not reading these

[@gorge1365]

@@darinekarameh58 Understandable, no knowledge then.

[@Zeno1781]

Ok.... 1) The universe meta for naruto is all but mistranslation and where in gods name did u take the immeasurable speed from 💀. Minato while using ftg is still faster than everyone in the verse. Characters could only tag minato because they have precog and would attack where they thought he would go. 2) the universe meta for bleach characters work significantly better than naruto and even then, they still dont have immeasurable speed. If you grant aizen immeasurable speed for reaching transcendence, then we as well grant vasto lorde ichigo from his fight with ulq immeasurable speed too because he has transcendent spiritual pressure. They aren't clearing Z because of multiple reasons Buuhan while using vice shout threat the destruction of the 4D dragon ball living universe. The dragon ball living universe is 4D because it contains both the demon realm( which transcends the living world) and the living world(which is by itself infinite 3D). Kid buu threatened to destroy the grand kaio planet with heaven. The grand kaio planet alone by itself is bigger than the living universe let alone heaven which is even bigger than that. Goku and kid buu fight threatened to destroy the kai planet which also transcends the otherworld which has been said multiple times to be 5D. Making the dragon ball universe without wank at least 6D if not beyond as broly and gogeta revealed to us another realm which in the guides is considered "a super dimensional one" If we also use the high ball scaling of dragon ball characters, then we can comfortably get z characters to outerversal( i personally dont agree with the outerversal dragon ball).

[@user-lg4ym9qf8k]

Three words majjin buu

[@michaeljosiahwarren3350]

They wouldn’t be able to beat vegeta

[@Coldskin1]

One piece 23rd tournament 😅 Naruto saiyan saga to namek saga depending on how u scale him Moon or large planet lvl Bleach namek saga to battle of gods If you think bleach just planetary or universal+ reality warping

[@gorge1365]

By Feats from Novels and Data Books. Ichigo is Low Multiversal [+] at best. Naruto is actually Low Multiversal+ to Multiversal Scale, he just get really and I mean really lowball like.....why? Cuz of meme or hate? I dont know.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

@coldskin1 I could 100% see Luffy stopping at the 23rd. I could see Naruto losing similarly in those ranges, without the Uni+ arguments. And same thing with Ichigo. Seems like solid answers to me!

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

@gorge1365 Ichigo & Naruto being Low Multi+ is contentious at best. With even their Uni+ arguments being sort of out their by comparison IMO. If you think they’re being massively lowballed though, I wouldn’t worry. We have a full video talking about both of them coming up really soon. So stay tuned for that- to see if you think we’re on the right track or not.

[@Aelda69]

Luffy doesn't even get past King Piccolo Saga, Ichigo stops at about early Saiyan Saga, and Naruto stops at about late Saiyan Saga.

[@dino_mite8403]

How so? I'm pretty sure Ichigo is multi galactic and adult Naruto w/kurama being around large star lvl - solar system lvl, tho I agree about the Luffy one since he's around moon lvl

[@bentom8269]

Ichigo is really making it past dBz

[@jinx3980]

Im not sure if he can beat Buu but i dont know to much about ichigo so thats the only dificulty i see for ichigo in dbz but after that its the end for ichigo

[@rucksack_kh]

Nah, if we're being generous, he beats Androids 17 and 18, but it's very unlikely after that.

[@bentom8269]

Ichigo scales to yhwach who was threatening to destroy the entire bleach universe which contains the living world,soul society,hell which are all infinite and also the soul kings realm ichigo is easily universal+ in my opinion ichigo>high diff ssjgod Goku

[@idkmehboi1972]

​@bentom8269 I can honestly say hell is most likely unaffected by that because it's been around since the primordial age if that didn't break hell then yuha turning it back into the primordial age wouldn't break it either

[@bentom8269]

@@idkmehboi1972 but ichigo does have the fear of damaging a large portion of it so don't you think it is logical to say it's atleast a galaxy level feat

[@TheUnseenPath]

Ichigo his issue is that his mom has had more balls in your face in a circus seal because apparently he’s the entire population of the world rolled into one person. He’s got a bloodline from each of the major factions in the shell. I don’t know how that works but he doesn’t really need a hack so to speak because he is one.

[@jocoolshow]

Luffy makes it to the Saiyan Saga due to his FTL Speed Scaling + Future Sight Haki + Dura Neg. He may not be as strong or durable as Saiyan Saga tiers but they can’t hit him and he can just ignore their durability and attack their organs Naruto can make it anywhere from Frieza Saga to clearing Z and making it to early Super based on how you interpret Kaguya scaling, from Star level to Uni+, though their speed doesn’t get much faster than FTL+ Ichigo clears Z no matter what. His absolute lowest scaling meta that’s valid imo is Multi Solar System after Shutara’s feat. Planet level is just blatant downplay when each of the realms are universes with stated/shown Multi Solar System and Galaxy celestial bodies and just straight up universe sized by statements Higher interpretations range from Gremmy who’s not even a top 5 Sternritter having on panel Multi Galaxy feats, and anyone scaling to the soul king easily having Low Multi scaling. And then Rex hung MFTL+ scaling since their Lightspeed meta starts from the first arc They don’t surpass DBS’ speed but AP is undeniably above Z and can be argued to contend with DBS, and then Ichigo’s layered soul hax is a real issue as well

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

Nope

[@reggielacey2235]

Wow the downplay on naruto and ichigo. Maybe do more research before doing this again. Naruto has solar system to uni scaling while ichigo easily scales to universal to low multi. Just stop.. i get your a dragon ball fan but jeez this was atrocious

[@nerdtom4513]

Even after highballing, they stop at Super Goku. And stop being a Naruto fanboy, he ain't even past solar system, Ichigo is Uni+ but Naruto? Hell nah

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Dude, we’ve literally made like? Three Dragon Ball videos- ever. If you watch the whole thing? I literally even mention universal scaling for both characters at the end, and firmly say they stop at Buu. Uni+ metas are fine? But aren’t super consistent for either Naruto or Ichigo, let alone low-multi. So yeah- it’s a wide range? But realistically they stop at Frieza (Or Buuhan for the Uni+ stuff) almost no matter how you cut it.

[@vitoscaletta822]

Naruto is not universal luffy is not MFTL+ ichigo is not 6D

[@vitoscaletta822]

Every debunk I've seen relies on mistranslations like claiming that Muken "appears" infinite or is "almost" infinite, that the Valley of Screams is noncanon, that Kototsu is only a hax being, that the worlds are planets (when they're proven to not be and have galaxies as a minimum), that Ywach was only destroying the barrier between the realms (which might be more impressive than just destroying the realms), their own interpretation of how the Bleach cosmology works in a way that isn't specifically supported by canon, or that Aizen being a "higher dimensional" being with "transcendent" reiatsu and power "beyond reason" is hyperbole.

[@-Arcueid_Brunestud-]

Naruto is not universal or Ichigo being 4D Well since we barely know nothing about Naruto cosmology until confirms in the future since higher dimensionz now exist

[@davidlowery2294]

Imagine how shitty it would be to be able to see into the future just to learn there isnt a damn thing you could do to change the outcome..... talk about demoralizing.