Big 3 Vs DBZ | How Far Would The Big 3 Get In Dragon Ball?

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

If you want to experience Water Poisoning, take a drink every time I say the word consistency in this video. You will be on the floor before the half way mark Lol. Also Giant Piccolo Vs Giant Luffy would go pretty hard, not gonna lie. Sub if you agree.

[@ikeillue8385]

I want to start this by saying that I'm not trying to be a jerk about any of the points I'm making here. I know it can sometimes be hard to tell in text form, so I just want to make it clear that I don't mean any ill will or anything, just because I disagree with some of the things said. Little issue (other than power scaling that I disagree with, but that is a completely different topic.), specifically with Radditz. Its shown that the reason why Goku let go of Radditz' tail wasn't just out of "brotherly love", but because he read Raddtiz like a book. After that point, when Goku gets him in a full nelson, he basically points out that, if it came to it, Radditz was ready to cut off his own tail, negating that weakness. It never came to that, because Goku let go of his tail before Piccolo fired his SBC at him (which Goku did purposefully, so that Piccolo wouldn't waste the energy on an attack that Radditz was going to avoid after he removed his tail), and specifically chose a means of holding Radditz in a way that didn't involve the tail the second time, even though he knew it would put him in the danger zone of Piccolo's attack. The point being, even if we ignore the stat differential here (Radditz easily handles all 3 of these characters, if you take their actual feats into consideration, when you don't include statements that could be hyperbolic), and go with the scaling presented in the video, Luffy is still losing to Radditz, because he would absolutely cut his own tail off if it ended up putting him in a situation that could be dangerous to him.

[@drishalballaney]

now can you please make another video with how far would Saitama go in db universe ?

[@diegobrando5800]

Saitama (Manga feats) would stop at Fat Buu at best but i think Super-Perfect Cell is more realistic

[@marinomele4575]

@@diegobrando5800 This comment here is literally less biased than the video itself.

[@chadmabe7069]

​@@diegobrando5800the author of opm confirms saitama is barely solar system level goku alone is multiversal saitama stops at krillin an yamcha😅

[@joelbell6075]

Raditz stated in the manga that he would have cut off his own tail if he had to. Luffy loses after that.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Raditz was paralyzed as far as I remember, and piccolo had his special beam canon ready to go. Maybe he’d cut off his tail? But I’m just not that confident he could pull it off in time IMO.

[@marinomele4575]

Forget Raditz, as of now, Luffy isn't getting past King Piccolo. Effortlessly blowing up large cities? Tanking moon-level attacks...? Luffy can't put one single scratch on someone like that.

[@TheUnseenPath]

Why?

[@johnszymanski247]

I don’t think Luffy has a tail

[@ChardleyLouis]

​@@TUCKALMIGHTY you completely forgot about Rio haki with is dura neg, in one piece can scale to large planetary to dwarf star level

[@cirnosnumberfan6449]

The grandfather of anime is Astroboy, Goku is the father, and the big 3 are his children. That's how I see it.

[@majinsaiyan4369]

astro boy was the first anime

[@cirnosnumberfan6449]

@@majinsaiyan4369 Exactly.

[@dreamzoe957]

And nobody remembers or watches it dbz made anime what it is tdy

[@sharkt9877]

Yeah but I consider dbz the grand father cause it’s arguably the most popular anime ever. It popularized anime.

[@WXRST99]

@@sharkt9877 In the west for sure, I don't think it did so in japan though but I could be wrong. Please correct me if that's the case.

[@marinomele4575]

"Luffy has minor toon force and reality warping" And this right here is where the video turned comedy, my boy isn't even close to the raw power of King Piccolo. Still enjoyed the ride and I do like how your editing is polished despite the small channel. Kudos.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Glad you enjoyed the content! We put a lot of work into the polish, whenever we can. However, I will say. As long as you’re being somewhat generous to One Piece, and not so much to to Dragon Ball. The gap between Multi-Continental and Moon level, isn’t big enough for me to say Luffy’s reality manipulating hax can’t carry. Just my thoughts though!

[@marinomele4575]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY Yup I did enjoyed both the quality of the vid and the exposition. You erned a sub today - best wishes to reach 1k for xmas. Still... We need to wank Luffy pretty hard to put him to multi-continental... (interpreting quotes in specific ways and taking them absolutely literally) While King Piccolo is factually above Moon Level. So this is FAR from "somewhat generous" and "somewhat not generous" XD It's basically as big of a gap there's between the lowest multi-continental and the lowest moon-level... Around 6 trillion times if we go with the VS battle wiki tiering system. Not to mention the "reality warp" you mention wasn't helping Luffy beat up Kaido, it was cool to see the birds and all but it was the punches who did the work. Luffy's reaction speed is way above King Piccolo's speed, I can see him dodging over and over - but King Piccolo can tank Luffy's best attacks forever, and Luffy's can't keep best-attacking forever.

[@Aluja77]

But the statement itself is right.

[@marinomele4575]

@@Aluja77 oh not at all, because he intended the word in a specific powerscaling-oriented way. So questioning semantics was never the goal here.

[@Plushplush1]

@@marinomele4575People still think Luffy is capped out at multi continental? The one piece verse is able to reach moon level even without the whitebeard statement via blackbeard and his earthquake attack when receiving the gura gura fruit. It was stated that all yonkos are relative to each other so Luffy is moon level. You can also get him to small planetary (without whitebeard’s statement) with his strongest attack being able to reach the small planetary levels (the one piece verse is larger than Jupiter, as most people cap it out to be.)

[@KingBongHogger]

Read the title and before the vid even started, I thought "I'd guess they'd make it to about Frieza" and it looks like we think alike lol.

[@AbagofRubberbands]

I thought the exact same thing lol

[@CosmicGoku529]

If they somehow got lucky enough to make it past Vegeta and that is a massive if. They would get demolished by Dadoria and Zarbon.

[@isaansari9838]

Black frieza would annihilate all 3 verses 😅

[@thedevilsleutice]

@@CosmicGoku529they shouldn’t be able to get passed the great ape. Unless they all worked together. Vegeta is Frieza’s strongest solider as an ape.

[@ronniedase8757]

People underestimate the speed of DB and early Z characters. Krilin and Jackie Chun had a rock, paper, siccors

[@TuckerBowChicka1]

Great video overall and, I agree with what you said about Naruto and Luffy. But you're factually wrong about Ichigo, even if you don't wanna agree with Universal+ to Low Multiversal scaling that he gets via scaling to Yhwach, he is blatantly at bare minimum Multi-Solar System thanks to Senjumaru's feat, her shaking all 3 universes and the Garganta being such a feat, as she shook all creation. And even if you believe the realms are only planets, the Garganta isn't, it's at least a universe size structure. Also speed wise, Ichigo is easily MFTL+ thanks to plenty of light dodging feats early on, but if you don't want to go with cero's being lightspeed or the Negacion, there's the weakest Espada dodging literal light, who Ichigo is already far faster than in that arc. And with his multipliers from Horn of Salvation, Gran Rey Cero being a 10x multiplier from his usual AP, Blut Arterie and Blut Vene which are 5 to 10x multipliers for his AP and durability respectively, and finally Bankai, he'd go up to Multi-Galaxy thanks to just how high into Multi-Solar System Senjumaru's feat is, nearing Galaxy level already. Anime is the primary source of canon now for the TYBW arc, as Kubo is directly working on the series and fixing the once final arc that he had to rush for health reasons back during the manga's run. And translations for Senjumaru's statement, the kanji points to her shaking all of creation, thus it's only by ignoring blatant facts that one could possibly say Ichigo scales any lower than Multi-Solar System up to Multi-Galaxy from multipliers now via scaling above Senjumaru in just his true Shikai. So, yeah, Ichigo at least makes it to the Buu saga, and depending on if it's anime or manga, given different scaling via statements in the anime and manga, along with databooks and such that are more so for the anime than the manga. He either stops at Buuhan, or in the anime, Fat Buu as with Toei's scaling, Super Perfect Cell would be Galaxy level, and Fat Buu Multi-Galaxy, and with Fat Buu's greater regen and magic, even if Ichigo scaled higher in that tier, Fat Buu would likely wear him out or just turn him into candy and win, as he has no resistance to transmutation abilities or magic. Now if we actually used Universal+ to Low Multiversal scaling for Ichigo, then he'd clear the Z manga, and lose to SSG Goku from both the anime and manga thanks to Dragon Balls greater cosmology in just universe 7, though I guess this is him fighting the enemies, so he'd just get stomped by Beerus like everyone else, or get defeated by Frieza rather easily. But if we go with Z anime, he'd stop at Buuhan who scales to Uni+ to Low Multiversal thanks to Toei scaling

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Hey! I’m glad you enjoyed the rest of the video. And there’s absolutely no shade intended with this reply. But I’m just gonna share my thoughts here- as to why Multi-Solar System (or Galaxy) Ichigo? Is not what I went with- and why I sort of think it’s the worst meta you can use. Basically- the problem with assuming Squad Zero, Yama, and Yhwach are effecting universal constructs- as opposed to just Planets? Is that there’s very little evidence to back it up. Because the world of the living (literally earth) is meant to be a parallel with the Soul Society, which parallels Hueco Mundo. The Kanji you’re talking about, which in this case is ( Tenchi 天地 ) can refer to a lot of things, realms, universes, spheres. Google translate literally just defines it as “Heaven & Earth” So if you’re saying we aren’t using his universal scaling for the dimensional bodies. Which is supported by all the parallels between the dimensions. As well as visual stuff, such as all of them being represented as planets. And even like? Regular towns from earth- being able to appear in the soul society, and be noticed. (Highly implying that it’s not a universe sized construct, with infinite space.) So? Yeah. Shaking three planets is just not that impressive. Even considering the Garganta space, which is just a void between dimensions- that was never stated to be shaking- wouldn’t increase the feat that much in some interpretations? And the calcs that increase it to insane would be very charitable outliers- at that. So, that’s personally why I have Ichigo more so in that Large Planet, to Dwarf Star range. Because shaking a universe isn’t solar system level, and Shaking a planet isn’t either. It just seems like a weird excessive scale- that sits between the two interpretations. Taking none of the accuracy in either. But yes, if you take either of those metas, he’d stop somewhere in the Buu Saga anyways. So I hope that answered your question. Thanks!

[@TuckerBowChicka1]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY Your right to have this view on all that, even though I do think your blatantly wrong on many things, ignoring context for statements and how their being used, how she wasn't shaking just the planets of those realms, but the air too, along with the fact both the World of the Living, and Soul Society, have stars showing the realms aren't simply planets at all, and the fact that shaking universes can in fact scale to Multi-Solar System, as that does have a quantifiable number to do it when doing so with raw power. Bleach's primordial universe, was also clearly that, a universe, so Soul King splitting it apart would still leave a Universe size structure at the very least, that being the Garganta to house everything in, if not also the WoL and SS, Hueco Mundo is also described as being endless, and an infinite sized realm. Plus in CFYOW, Gremmy is also clarified to have created a Galaxy in his fight with Kenpachi, when using Galaxy Room, just saying. And even if you don't believe he created that, he'd of still sent Kenpachi into space with several stars, showing the realms aren't simply planets. vsbattles.com/threads/above-heaven-and-below-earth-0-alone-surpasses-13.160302/ These guys can rebuke you better than I ever could, and can better argue the points I made. Even though I don't think Vs Wiki is the best, they have been very strict with Bleach's scaling for so many years, so the fact this got passed there, shows how solid Senjumaru's feat is for being Multi-Solar System both visually and statement wise.

[@Archetype_Earthy]

@@TuckerBowChicka1 it's planetary & you mentioned air which doesn't exist in space more like the atmosphere so yeah

[@thedarknessinthelight9824]

People seem to forget that just because something is shown to be a planet, it isn't always a planet. Just take a look at the DBZ Microcosm. There are many planets within and outside the microcosm, but all of them are infinitely expansive spaces. The same goes for the lore in Skyrim. There are plenty of planets shown in the sky of the world you're in but they are all infinite universes with their own endless streams of timelines. (This is info I found out in the DB of Skyrim vs Dark Souls)

[@roywempor8395]

quick correction, horn of salvation is bare minimum 50x since each resurrection of ulquiorra was 10x so secunda etapa was 100x and Ichigo went from getting destroyed to blitzing ulquiorra so full hollow is over 100x and hos is only 1 horn so half of full hollow.

[@jibbobdion5072]

Can I recommend a match? The 10 commands from 7 deadly sins vs 10 Espada? I think they should power scale closely, and nobody is talking about this match-up on KZbin, which feels like a missed opportunity.

[@bablingbafoon8976]

I think the weirdest part of this video is NOT taking into account any training they each would absolutely would have done in universe.

[@MarioWendorf]

I'm still floored to hear "FTL" and raditz mentioned together still. I always thought the stand alone miss translation would've been tossed aside 10-15 years ago

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

The Moon Blast feat that Piccolo preformed is calced to about 25% the speed of light, Radtiz is more than 4x Piccolo. No relation to the Dub mistranslation, but it does make it pretty accurate funnily enough.

[@Casual_Otaku]

​@@TUCKALMIGHTYdidn't Goku dodge the literal laser + solar flare as a kid?

[@aymanbouyaya4759]

Not miss translation tho especially since Goku in the original dragon ball managed to evade literal light from tian's attack

[@lancetheking7524]

Here's an idea: the big 3, but do a "potara fusion" of all 3 of them... yes a three way fusion, with a theoretical A x B x C power multiplier with a combination of every power

[@lancetheking7524]

There's also a Calc where it's "A + B × 100" from a super saiyan power scaler where A and B is the highest potential of the user (Goku MUI, Ultra Ego Vegeta ect.) Multiplied by 100 after adding eachother

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

We’ve actually thought about doing a video like this before! And I’m honestly just waiting till we find a good way to do it interestingly, or accurately. I think it’s a great idea regardless though, thanks for the suggestion!

[@limbo9993]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY I need a Madara + Aizen Potara Fusion it sounds to cool to pass up 🔥 “IT WAS ALL A PART OF MY PLAN” - Madaraizen after dying for the 47th time

[@cjcj4861]

​@@TUCKALMIGHTYit does not matter what the Dragon Ball verse has Luffy Naruto and Ichigo will be enough no matter how hard you try to fucking scale them and still would not matter get to the point where they destroyed super

[@cjcj4861]

​@@TUCKALMIGHTYdon't you dare low ball Luffy for you son of a bitch he destroys Dragon Ball Z without even using gear 5 stop the BS already

[@thefirstprime0124]

Funny enough theres a scan that said roshi had enough energy to refil a sun or something like that that doesnt make him star level but i would say moon lvl plus

[@riicky83]

No using Shadow clone vs Ginyu? That alone should either block or nerf Ginyu should he use body swap. Granted we've never heard if the body swap technique can penetrate anything that ain't alive. And if he did swap into a shadow clone, a good hit should destroy it and therefore end Ginyu assuming his consciousness doesn't get transferred into Naruto's main body but then again, he'd have to deal with both Naruto and Kurama inside his mind.

[@jayarts2476]

I heard that the clones experiences return back to Naruto besides damage of course so it might just transfer

[@riicky83]

@@jayarts2476 If that is the case then Naruto and Kurama might have the edge in suppressing Ginyu inside Naruto mind.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Naruto could probably use clones against Ginyu if he new ahead of time? But considering the stat gap there- it’s pretty hard to imagine Ginyu doesn’t just blitz in my mind. As for Kurama? He really can’t do much to stop it- short of breaking his seal? And unaliving Ginyu in Naruto’s body? Unless you think Kurama would switch with Ginyu instead of Naruto- at which point? Yeah. It might give him a small victory chance.

[@riicky83]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY Well we've seen Kurama in Naruto's mind on two occasions even with the seal active. The first was against Orochimaru when he easily roared him out of Naruto's mind and the second was against Sasuke when he used his Sharigan haxs.

[@Jamlord2061]

also would body swapping with naruto result in kurama self destructing natuto’s body and naruto being stuck in a body incapable of using chakra on account of being an alien and a different universe.

[@Archetype_Earthy]

W vid appreciate it

[@johndoe9200]

my video prediction is everyone but ichigo hard stops at the Saibaman

[@jamonrandomstuff4294]

Quit powerscaling

[@King-mg7vy]

Right because NIETHER of the other 2 are fast enough or skilled enough to deal with explosions. Get off Toriyama's nuts, he doesn't want you there.

[@TheSuperGoober]

If they're below small planet level then yeah

[@King-mg7vy]

@@TheSuperGoober Saibamen cannot blow up a planet.

[@marinomele4575]

Forget Saibaman, Luffy can't harm Demon King Piccolo. Naruto should be able to beat Nappa and Ichigo reaches Namek Saga. I can already hear the wankers approaching - "luffy Is large-planet! Naruto Is universal! Ichigo is Outerversal!"

[@psxweeb5210]

You've managed to convince me, I figured they would tap out in the sayjin saga to either raditz or a saibaman.

[@seangilmore3901]

You were more than fair. Good arguments.

[@Quillion-lq4bx]

The body swap does present an interesting question. What if Ginyu used that on a Shadow Clone? Does that mean it doesn't work? Does it mean it's successful? What effect does it have on Naruto if it is successful? Could he still dispel that clone? Would that in turn dispel the mind in the Ginyu body and the body Ginyu now inhabits? Does Naruto suddenly gain a lot of information and a new friend in Shadow Clone Naruto inside Ginyu's body? Does Ginyu's personality then have an impact on Naruto, in this instance?

[@Jamlord2061]

i just see it as naruto gets stuck in ginyu’s body, kurama self destructs ginyu and naruto can no longer use any of his techniques

[@LunarEntity]

Man, I've never seen Naruto given such a massive high-ball. Really funny.

[@Archetype_Earthy]

Actually it's not

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Yeah, I don't really think Large Planet is much of a highball for a Boruto era Naruto at all.

[@Archetype_Earthy]

Literally the 10 tails in its 2nd form was forming a small planet of chakra Obito absorbed it & planned to destroy the world with Nunoboku Planetary feat there you go Also that was kcm2 sm btw😭👁️‍🗨️

[@MilesEdits19]

@@TUCKALMIGHTYthat a low ball for Naruto

[@williamdarrylntouba7983]

@@MilesEdits19no it’s the reality of things

[@BlackKingArmory]

About the Ginyu thing. Can Ginyu even swap bodies with a Ghost? I thought his whole thing was swaping souls but if Ichgo is already a soul then Ginyu realistically cant pull that move on him. And i do think Ichgo could squeeze out a win if were going with your logic put only becuse of a full power Getsu Getnsho. (I cant spell) Plus doesn't Ichigo have soul hax?

[@SisDenha]

after some time ichigo can use all his powers in his body

[@G3TTHEMYSTERY]

Naruto casual planet level feats??? Where??? The most he has done was cut a hollow moon in half

[@DocGiraffe]

Right? Naruto isn’t even Planetary in Boruto. Nothing he has done scales him to Planetary. At most Moon+ and that’s being generous.

[@JoshuaOdionson]

If I remember correctly, that was all the Chakra Naruto had in him at his base form, so no Sage Mode, Tailed Beast Mode, or Sage of 6 Paths. If he was going full boar, tailed beast mode with Sage of 6 Paths, I don't think going from a hollow moon to a unhollow moon would be too much of a stretch. And he has technically gotten stronger when we see him in Boruto, not to mention Baryon mode. But, excluding the last resort of Baryon mode, let's say he can blow up a moon roughly the same size as our moon, or the moon in DB. That puts him on footing with Roshi back in OG dragon Ball at the least, and absolute best with Piccolo while he was training Gohan in preparation for the saiyans, as Piccolo blew up the moon without much difficulty. And Nappa kind of bodied everyone there. Vegeta bodied him, and arguably Nappa could have been a planet buster. Vegeta, almost definitely. And that's Saiyan Saga, which is the beginning of Z.

[@G3TTHEMYSTERY]

@JoshuaOdionson almost,great calculation BTW but Roshi completely atomized the moon the MOST a full power Naruto can do is break it into chucks and again that's at full power hints me asking when can he casual destroy a planet

[@nolanmclaughlin2361]

The fact that you think that it was Naruto that did that attack tells me everything that I need to know to not bother arguing with you

[@G3TTHEMYSTERY]

@@nolanmclaughlin2361???

[@animemaster4412]

I completely agree with your opinion on where Naruto and Luffy stop but highly disagree on Ichigo’s placement. If you take into consideration the fact that Gremmy can create stars or potentially solar systems with his imagination and the fact Yamamoto’s Bankai can destroy entirety of the soul society which has stars in it. Yamamoto and Gremmy’s feats are likely solar system level of power and Senjumaru’s Bankai was stated to be able to destroy the 3 realms, a multi-solar system feat then ichigo at the end of TYBW possibly transcends that level of power. It’s pretty safe to say Ichigo is multi-solar system to galaxy level

[@EagleEyes500]

Creating fake stars means absolutely nothing. i’ve seen people in other anime and videogames create there own dimension with a sun and multiple stars and i can tell you there nowhere near close to planet level

[@animemaster4412]

What proof do you have that there fake stars?

[@EagleEyes500]

@@animemaster4412 The fact that all of it disappeared with gremmy? I mean you can also say its a pocket dimension and my point still stands, gremmy doesnt scale to what he created. I’ve seen it before in other anime and games where person creates there own dimension with stars and a sun but there nowhere near planet level

[@idkmehboi1972]

​@EagleEyes500 what about the fact that gremmy made 2 living people

[@bonzoluv]

Naruto can get up there too. Biggest issue for them all is speed. In terms of power both Naruto and Ichigo can beat anyone

[@alphafish7198]

I didn't know Naruto had more hax then Ichigo but the dragonball power multiplier after every fight just too much for them to make any real difference. Great Video :)

[@kanewilson8624]

At best they collectively manage to beat Raditz but fail at Nappa and Vegeta, their best feats are equal to Piccolo during the Gohan training arc

[@Fatalbeast22]

Ichigo by the end of the manga, using info from thw Canon light novels, is universal, ichigo stomps basically all of Z, he loses to super tho

[@brianlewis1908]

@@Fatalbeast22 Not necessarily. You can also scale super but and anyone equal/stronger than him to universal. He was able to make a hole in space (that’s how he escaped the room of spirit and time) with strictly his power. So it's more like Ichigo is in that upper tier range of dragon ball z (ultimate gohan, ssj 3 goku/gotenks, buu, vegito)

[@Fatalbeast22]

@brianlewis1908 multiple bleach characters were breaking holes between dimensions back in the arrancar arc, and literally all of them get one shit by TYBW times, breaking a hole between dimensions does not scale to a universe destroying feat. Dragon ball doesn't get universal scaling until God goku vs beerus, so ichigo gets past all of Z, stops at early super

[@brianlewis1908]

@@Fatalbeast22 not without a Garganta, which is a technique. That’s not the same as bu scream which literally tore a hole in the fabric of reality separating the room from earth. Also goku vs beerus is above universe scaling since they were gonna destroy the db macrocosm (three infinite universes) and even the world of Kai which is outside of the macrocosm. Lastly, bleach is slower than dragon ball which is another big issue here. Even if we say ichigo had the power, he doesn’t have the speed.

[@Fatalbeast22]

@brianlewis1908 first off, grimmjow sealed ulqiorra in an alternate dimension and he broke out, also by diagrams made by toriyama, the dragon ball universe has no infinites, they are all finite spaces, tho bigger than iur real life universe still. And again, I agree ichigo loses once we get to super, but buu screaming a hole between dimensions is not the same as ichigo tearing apart a universe just by powering up

[@hollow3450]

I can somewhat agree worh everything you said here but theres one rhing I like to mention, which is the initiat hax ability that every soul reaper has, which ofc includes ichigo. I know that no one considers or mentiones this ability in any what if that is outside of their verse because of how it just makes every fight unfair and pointless. The ability I mean is their ability to be preseved. If you don't have spiritual power you can't see him. So in theory, he could defeat and kill every enemy until cell or buu because they can't see, hear, feel or sense him. It's as if he doesn't exist to them. The reason why it would stop at either cell or buu, if we consider this ability, is because they both have to be fully obiterated to die, and ichigo doesn't have the fire power to do so. I could see him pass through cell too since it was gohan that defeated him and not goku, but it would at best stop at buu. But yeah if you don't consider this ability and just make it that that everyone can see him, like you did in this video, then I agree with how you placed them in here

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Yeah, I think this is one of those common things that most people don't really address- but since you left a comment about it? I'll mention the three reasons why I didn't personally factor it in. 1.) Just about any and every character who has access to "spiritual" anything in bleach. Can see Soul Reapers and Hollows. Ichigo's little sister, some of his classmates, etc... are all examples of humans who aren't particularly powerful? Seeing these invisible entities. So if having minor spiritual powers is enough, then the Ki Centric dbz cast can problem sense him. 2.) Every character (as far as I am aware) whether they have spiritual pressure or not, can still physically interact with Hollows/Soul Reapers. We see this when regular Human Chad (before getting his powers) throws hands with a hollow, through the help of Ichigo's sister. So? Frieza (if better in stats) could eventually still hit him. 3.) Ki sensing. Character's in Z have Scouters and energy sensing to detect spiritual power levels. So even if they can't "see" him. People like Ginyu and Frieza could likely track him just fine- even if we don't grant them actual sight. Hopefully, that explains why I didn't use it. But I hope you enjoyed the video regardless, and that this answered your question. Thanks.

[@eggdog6185]

​@TUCKALMIGHTY THANK YOU!!!!! I have been trying to get people see that

[@hollow3450]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY The thing is tho that ichigo's sisters are, well, his sisters. Their father is a soul reaper so all of them have unusualy high spiritual energy for a human. And it's not both sisters that can even see hollows, at least not from the beggining of the show. As for his friends, they can't see soul reapers or hollows from the start either. They can do so later on, the reason for them suddenly being able to do so is that they hang around a lot with ichigo, so they more or less get used to or increase their spiritual energy over time. Forgot the exact explenation but it was smth like that. As for the chad point, while frieza or any other character could in theory certainly hit ichigo, there is no reason for him to attack the air. Ichigo isn't really someone that usually cares a lot about fights being fair or fun like goku. He wouldn't announce his pressence to frieza and just attack and probably instantly go to the kill. As for the ki sensing, I guess it kinda depends if you wanna put ki and spiritual energy on the same level. Tho if you were to do so, then it woudln't matter at all in my eyes cause they would just be able to see him in general then. And since scouters are made to detect ki, not other energy, I doubt scouters would work at all. But yeah I did indeed like the video, just wanted to bring up a little descuision just for fun.

[@SynysterProjects]

Great video, super entertaining! Well-earned sub!

[@mydeadlyadventuredescanorj9756]

I wonder about but for record for ragnarok, maybe that could be a video Idea for you, if you want I could tell you the rules?

[@OmniDan26]

luffy does not have toon force. He is not planetary. He gets folded by 23rd budokai tien. Blud thought he was cooking but instead he dropped the food on the floor.

[@destroyahdestroyah9584]

I don't know where that idea came from. Toon Force is literal narrative warping for the sake of a joke. He simply turns things into rubber

[@mentaya11]

@@destroyahdestroyah9584 It actually *is* a form of toon force, though defined a bit differently. The ability to alter ones' surroundings upon a devil fruit awakening is the domain of paramecia type fruit, such as being a string man, a spring man, or a rubber man. It would make total sense if, in fact, Luffy was a paramecia as had been assumed. He is, in fact, a Zoan type, where one takes on the attributes of a beast or animal. Specifically, a mythical variant of a human, based on resembling attributes of the sun god Nika....which (coincidentally) happen to resemble attributes of rubber. (ok, I didn't say it made a lot of sense storytelling-wise). As such, the changing of his surroundings have less to do with turning things into rubber and more to do with mimicking the abilities of the being he is imitating, much like having a mythical dragon zoan fruit gives you the ability to breathe fire. I think the specifics of this are still a bit vague (and I am not 100% caught up as I like to watch in batches), but Nika seems to be some sort of trickster god, and is said to "bring joy". A good deal of clarification on the exact nature of the power and why it is *not* the simple transformation of surroundings to rubber and yet resembles it, is found in the "Road to Laugh Tale 3" One key line that gives insight into Luffy's power is "Luffy's peak, the ability to turn imagination to reality". As best as I have been able to gather, Luffy was turning things into rubber because he thought it was funny to do so, and, more or less, as long as he finds it funny/fun and he can imagine it, he can alter his surroundings at a whim. This would make it resemble, at least, some form of toon force, though it is probably limited by his power in some way. Given the world government classified it as the most dangerous power in the world, it seems as if it, at the very least, scales high within that anime.

[@destroyahdestroyah9584]

@@mentaya11 I can agree with that but I also think his combat form shows too much deliberateness and not enough no-selling to count as toon force. I would love to see Gear 5, which I don't really consider a Gear, pushed to its extreme limit

[@shin.z_]

He gets folded by 21st budokai goku😭

[@iv2joshuamaraj475]

Great video but i think you forgot to mention every time luffy laughs he gets stronger how about bobobobo vs Saitama lol as a video idea

[@minisquirtle9702]

not even a Bleach fan but I appreciate Ichigo being included. Bleach is rarely ever talked about as much as the other two Big Three its kinda weird

[@3Deez3]

17:50 what happens if Ginyu body swaps with a shadow clone?

[@Michael-ft5bm]

It’s an interesting comparison, but to say in the very beginning that the “big three” were responsible for the explosion of anime in the west is absurd. That was literally OG Dragonball and DBZ’s claim. And even those were helped by Evangelion, Gundam, and earlier shows.

[@mAcChaosCh]

I think it would be interesting to place them at DB episode 1 Goku also as kids and see how they would handle each threat as they age and grow.

[@thatonguy2407]

Kid Ichigo is just a normal human kid who can see ghosts, so he just fuckin dies. Kid Naruto is also just a normal human child, so he just fuckin dies. Kid Luffy is able to fight large animals, but also probably dies fast.

[@leiflarsen1908]

If you give Naruto and Ichigo the training buffs that goku got (9-ish times for king kai, 8-9 times for gravity), that should give them the edge to get through more of dragon ball, if you're counting all of the events including training. Same case for Luffy, I guess.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

This is 100% true, if they got all Goku's training arcs and amps? They'd be cooking for all of Z easy.

[@Practically_Dripku]

​@@TUCKALMIGHTYthen beerus or majin buu would be the hard stop

[@ether2275]

True, if they were now part of the Dragon Ball world they would have to also play by Dragon Ball rules. This basically means that theit development would be vastly different than that of their own world.

[@nicolalama2562]

goku is a saiyan

[@Practically_Dripku]

@@ether2275 not acctually since they don't have the growth Rate they goku does

[@Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz1024]

The real question is would any of them even make it to dragon ball Z, and the answer is not without some highballing for obviously sub-planetary feats. Especially since Goku has anti-gag abilities so any gag powers are just neutralized by him (the arale episode in super confirms this)

[@club3g82]

Really good video, kudos 👏 All but Ichigo hard stop at Nappa and my boy Ichigo gets hard stopped by Saiyan saga Vegeta. If by some miracle Ichigo makes it past Saiyan saga Vegeta he gets stopped by Didoria or pummeled by Zarbon. All 3 gang up on Racoom and get absolutely merced

[@razztastic]

Bleach's scaling is by far one of the strangest series to stack up against DBZ scaling wise, because mfs will have strength feats from the freeza saga, durability feats from the cell saga, and speed feats from the buu saga they're just enigmatic lmao

[@raisefanfics]

Personally, I'd scale Luffy from Multi-Continent to Planetary level. Naruto as Star to Solar System level. Finally, Ichigo as Solar System to Universe level. But everything said in this video was correct, though the question does make us wonder: Who would succeed Goku. The answer: all of them. The idea and concept of what Goku represents is the base or tree trunk for the future branches to separate and create more branches onto itself, creating more inspired anime shows rooted from the big G himself, Son Goku. Alone, they're just good and amazing. Together, they bring inspiration that far surpass any before and after them (of course excluding Dragon Ball).

[@rlserik3751]

U scale ichigo to universal u gotta do the same for naruto honestly

[@raisefanfics]

@@rlserik3751 Bro, promise me, I think I'm making the right choice by saying this💀

[@rlserik3751]

@@raisefanfics . Ok agree to disagree i think im making a more obvious choice to , cant scale ichigo tht high unless u do the same for naruto

[@raisefanfics]

@@rlserik3751 kzbin.infou7whnvospNw But I think he scales to Universe

[@HExtraordinaire]

​@@rlserik3751Ichigo is significantly stronger than Naruto

[@hezyh7688]

I think u forgot 2 things about Ichigo, Reiatsu can negate hax just how Aizen did and another thing reiatsu isnt a life energy it is the essence of a shinigami. You said Ichigo doesnt have any hax but being invisible and intangible is basically his hax + having 2 zanpakto spirits + you have Grimmjow who isnt near Ichigo's level was stated by shinji that Grimmjow and Luppi 2 fodders compared to Ichigo that they can destroy the sun if they fire a cero... Ichigo has blut vene also like he has getsuga jujisho he can use cero's + gran rey getsuga's like... and if you watched the first movie which is canon we litteraly saw a solar system feat via Senna like Ichigo is alot higher than both Naruto and Luffy. I do think Ichigo stops at Buu tho 😅

[@hulky333]

Dude I forgot you that they wouldn't have been able to pass through the Devilmite Beam. But there's no way they match in any way with Vegeta and Nappa😂😂😂

[@TheKyrix82]

I think Luffy might, he's very Goku-esque

[@derrickmeade4891]

Luffy is the weakest of the big 3 so if he can the others could as well​@@TheKyrix82

[@sanato1301]

How far in power do you think goku will get before dragon ball finally ends????

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Dragon Ball won't ever end, not as long as it makes Toei & Jump money lol. But a hypothetical end of franchise Goku will still have new places to reach in terms of power regardless. Because it's not really in his nature to ever stop growing. So? Bare minimum- he'll just be a stronger super Goku? With potential to just, continuously get higher feats and scaling forever--- to turn into like? A canon version of heroes Goku. If that makes sense.

[@sanato1301]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY you see him getting a other transformation down the line? I don’t know if he will since there treating mui as the final thing, but in the same time Frieza did one shot him 🤷‍♂️.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Yeah I mean? Like I said, it's basically the law of the land in DBZ. If it makes Toei & Jump money, then they'll do it. And transformations? Do indeed sell like hotcakes. That said? Considering Toyotarou, the guy who writes the DBS Manga? Is also the person who made SSJ 5. I think we'll probably get quite a few more new forms/power-ups in the years to come. Maybe even a potential canon SSJ 4 continuation.

[@sanato1301]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY i have a gut feeling that they will one day end super soon, and right after they will simply reboot gt or something. To continue from the end of z.

[@romanratliff8818]

@@sanato1301regardless of whether or not they do that, I have a feeling they will use the change state or whatever you wanna call it again as an end of super thing. It would have a chance of making Goku go from probably somewhere between GOD-Angel tiers, to #1 in the series. I mean, how could they reasonably end it if there’s someone stronger? That’s the whole narrative.

[@AbsoluteZero22xx]

The actual power/strength scaling i actually have to agree with, I don't think Luffy would've made it past Raditz but even you said it was by technicality. Regardless pretty solid Random long winded nitpick (potential spoilers): Luffy doesnt use toon force, I've never liked the term "reality warping" because its too vague. Reality is simply "what is." If I get up and open my door, I just "warped reality" because now "what is" has been changed , the door is open instead of closed. So we just circle back around to "How" someone affects the world around them which brings me to his actual abilities, his devil fruit ability of having the exact properties of rubber as per the manga, when devil fruit users "awaken" said powers, they can then affect their surroundings, we saw this with both Doffy and Katakuri when they effectively made anything they touched string and mochi respectively. "Toon Force" as its been dubbed is only for when there literally are no pre established rules or for the sake of the gag. E.G Loony Toons, Tom and Jerry, Popeye, Arale etc There certainly are gag moments that attest to this like when the Strawhats regrow teeth because Oda simply says they can, but that isnt related to Luffy's abilities in any way and again, would purely be for the sake of the gag. Luffy certainly looks like he's using toon force, with his wacky personality and Oda's clear "Tom and Jerry" inspiration it only adds to it, but everything Luffy has done can be attested to his devil fruit power and haki use. Rubber is actually a liquid naturally, which would explain the absolutely insane shapes Luffy can take, and like Katakuri, can shape this into potentially useful things, like the "paint bucket" or Katakuri's "Shrine" that he eats in. Likewise with his awakening the things he touches can squash and stretch just like rubber. just like he did with the ground to flip kaido's attack on him, and in Egghead island with using the travel tubes as a slingshot. as for the fire of "Red Hawk" and similar moves, hes cleverly using friction/Haki to generate heat, just like Lucci with "Flaming Nail," Pearl a the Baratie or like Sanji with "Diablo Jamble" TLDR: while sure semantically you can argue "reality warping." maybe even for quick explanation sake. His powers always have been "rubber." Even if Oda is wacky with it Thank you and I'm sorry, keep up the good work Edit : Toon Force clarification

[@ironreaver1543]

I really think precognition is given a little too much weight. Besides that, with precognition Naruto shouldn't have an issue with the body swap technique from Genyu. With a proper strategy and a well placed replacement jutsu Naruto can take a frog, and substitution jutsu with it which squarely owns Genyu on his own with the most simple and straightforward strategy.

[@hendrikwause4440]

As much as i want to agree in comparison to pure abilites, you could be right about everything up until the fight with Freezer. But pure abilities are only on a physical level like hit techniques or blasting attacks in dragonball/dragonball Z/dragonball GT/dragonball Super. Very ordinary and very basic. I apologize if this will be a long text but here is what i think: In case we transfer this to the Naruto-Verse we should include the Lightning Flash Technique of the 4th Hokage that Naruto apparently mastered in the 4th great ninja war. Marking the Enemy and constantly staying in their blind Spot for a leathal Attack would it make very difficult for every Dragonball Character to evade since it would be a battle of attrition or you could say a game of cat and mouse where the dragonball characters are the mouse cause they need to actively run away. But once theyre marked, Naruto could always port behind them effortlessly and drain their power just by playing "catch me if you can". And even if he couldnt do that he would be able to switch Bodies by summoning many shadow clones and switching the body with the nearest shadow clone just to stick close to the characters in the dragonball verse. Even if he is not the yellow flash himself like his father was he would reach similar speed to keep up with the speed even midair by using his shadowclone jutsu as stepping stones to reach his enemy. Or we should include the variants of Ichigo in the Bleach-Verse from the Thousand Year Blood War Arc where he learns he's actually an all-rounder species (Quincy-Hollow-Shinigami-Human) and can alter between Shikai, Bankai, Blut-Vene and Hollow-Mask. That would make him use all 3 Variants of Speedrun like, Shunpo (Shinigami), Sonido (Hollow/Arrancar) or Hirenkyaku (Quincy), as well as being able to wield a quincy weapon i.e. like a bow although we didnt see it up until now. And by the way in my opinion... Thousand Year Bloodwar Arc Ichigo is MILES ABOVE Final Getsuga Ichigo. The only questions are now: Are Bakudo and Hado fast enough to engage and hurt flying characters? And above all: Is flying in dragonball faster that the Shunpo/Sonido/Hirenkyaku in Midair?That would mean except for Ichigos Bankai Tensa Zangetsu (which is a speed specialized one) everyone would be able to block the flight of a dragonball charcter... Well, we will never know... The most exciting Character would still be Luffy, as he is able to grab Lightning out of the Sky in Gear 5 and turn it into his looney-toon Attack. The same would happen with every other blast attack of the Dragonball-Verse through the entire saga from "ancient" to "super" Dragonball. To deflect every attack is literally broken and if we should compare the velocity of the blast attacks from Dragonball with any attack of the OnePiece world, it comes down to Kaidos Dragon Breath. I think that should have the same velocity as any other dragon ball blast attack so that would be no effort for Luffy to evade. Where it gets truly interesting is the Haki. Before without any Haki and after the timeskip with haki in posession i would give Luffy (and everyone in his crew) a 5 to 6times powerup in strength. That means that Luffy in Gear 5 would be able to dodge every blast attack from all characters in dragon ball with Kenbunshoku Haki (Observation) before engaging the enemy while hardening his body with Busoshoku Haki (Armament) and finally hitting him. In my opinion Base Luffy post time skip with Haki should be double the power level of Ginju. And if thats not enough he should be able to knock out everyone with his Haoshoku no Haki (Conqueror). And well, i didnt mention the advanced Haoshoku Haki yet because if he would clad himself in such an armor he literally wouldnt need to touch the enemy to hit them in the gut (as we saw during the fight with Kaido). As you guys can see there is always a possibility that with superficial abilities all 3 characters could climb the ladder in the Dragonball-Verse waaaaaaay longer if you include their broken ablities.

[@mentaya11]

I honestly can't take anyone seriously who uses terms like "moon level" "multi-continental level" or "planet level" unironically. They have no clearly defined meaning or scale, they're just terms people use to try to make something big easy to compare without really converting feats to similar units. A few examples. Character is defined as multi continental but not moon level. Please define. The Earth has 7 continents. If you are destroying several, you *are* ending the planet. And the moon has roughly the same surface area as Africa. (ok, so Africa is about 80% the area of the moon which is smaller by area than Asia, but whatever). So where ***exactly*** does multicontinental end and moon begin when the area of the latter is between the areas of various individual continents? Or, for another, in this 18,000 was defined as planetary and 180,000 was easily dwarf star or even star. Ok, let's look at that. The Earth has a volume of about 1 trillion cubic kilometers. Jupiter is over 1,300x that. Mercury is in the neighborhood of 1/20 of that. That is just our solar system. Where is the cutoff for planetary when the volume of a planet in our solar system varies by a factor of over 20,000 times? Especially in fantasy worlds where the rules are so different. Everything I have seen, for example, indicates the world of One Piece is larger than our own. Where is the comparative scaling for calling both "planetary" then jumping to higher levels from a small multiplier like x10? How is multiplying power by 10 easily moving into star levels? Our sun has a volume roughly 1 million times that of Earth. And none of that really goes into the actual comparative difficulty in destroying them based on their different compositions. What about moons? We have Roshi destroying the moon. If Naruto does the same, is that equivalent? Why? No indicator either of those are really Earth. Sure, some locations match for DBZ, but not all. And how big is "Moon level"? The volume of *our* moon is roughly 22 billion cubic kilometers. Deimos, the smallest moon in our solar system, has a volume of about 1,000 cubic kilometers and a surface area roughly 2/3 of Singapore (about 500 km^2). Roughly 1/6 the size of Rhode Island. Is that moon level? Ganymede is more than 3x as voluminous as our Moon. In our solar system alone moons vary by a factor of 76.6 million times. None of this makes for good scaling because, on their own, these terms mean nothing and do not scale to each other. For that matter, neither do Dragon Ball power levels, according to its creator. Neither power levels not arbitrary and unquantified scaling terms based on celestial bodies make for good scaling. For good scaling you need similar units for the feats. Figure out the actual corresponding forces of the blast. Calculate the actual volume of the moon Roshi destroyed and its composition. It's harder, yes, but it actually *scales* if you do. These naming conventions do not. Ok, I know people are probably going to roast this viewpoint, but I had to get it out there, as a scientist myself (by training if not yet career), this has always bothered me. So let's have it.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

The terms “moon level” “Multi-Continental” “Planetary” Etc… are not simply made up, undefined metrics. They are colloquial terms used in this community to refers to the Vs Wiki AP scale. Multi-Continental for example, is any force calculated between 10^25 joules & 10^29 Joules. Moon level is thusly 10^29 to 10^30, Planet level is 10^30 to 10^37, etc… This video is not made to explain the intricacies of “scientific” calcs in fictional debates. But if you want a simple answer, to how it works. That is a basic explanation, which you can apply to any “power scaling” videos you see in the future.

[@mentaya11]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY While it is admittedly interesting that someone has tried to put a number to such vague terms, a concept I applaud as I approve of trying to tamp down such rampant hyperbole, it only works if people actually use it that way. I have never seen people work consistently off of these, and they simply define any attack that blows up a continent as continental or when someone destroys a moon or planet it becomes planetary or moon level, and then all other feats are assumed to follow suit. Nor did this video consistently follow this scale. I can't say in every case as you rarely referenced which feats were the reasons for specific scaling, but in saying Vegeta's power level went from 18,000 to 180,000 you said "a full power of over 18,000 should consistently be in the large planet plus ranges". Now, it takes roughly 2-3 nonillion joules to completely destroy the Earth (2-3x10^32) Interestingly, the scale you referenced is fairly on point, placing this squarely at the bottom of planet level, which is well done. To exceed large planet level, you need to exceed 6.9 x10^37 joules. This is about 300,000x stronger than that. This makes sense, as some planets require far more force to break apart. The Earth is not tremendously large. You showed places where Vegeta destroyed 3 at once, so he's clearly not at the bottom of the scale, but if you need to be 10,000 power level to knock on planetary, 18,000 should surely not be topping the scale, since everyone, including yourself, is using it as a linear scale that can be multiplied by factors of 2 or 3 or ten with various forms or kaio-kens and have it keep its meaning. Later, you refer to Vegeta's great ape form, mentioning it gives him a 10x multiplier, making his power level 180,000 (linear scaling) and stating "making Vegeta a staggering 180,000 which creeps firmly into those dwarf star if not straight up star levels." If we compare this to the scale you say you are using (which is the only way these power levels can really compare things across media), we see that it takes 6.9x10^37 joules to leave large planetary and enter dwarf star (which I think is a dumb name anyway because of science reasons but my rant is too long already). Unless Vegeta is already in the absolute *maximum* of large planetary, which being able to blow up a dozen planets in a blast would not come close to approaching by scale, a 10x multiplier would not allow him to approach dwarf star. To multiply by 10x, you would change the x10^(this number) by 1. 2x10^31 is 10x 2x10^30. To reach star, if you were 1 joule from hitting dwarf star, you'd need to multiply your power level by almost 10,000x to hit star level. By comparison, if I were to make the assumption that 10,000 power level was sufficient to destroy Earth in one attack, which seems roughly accurate, as this would place Nappa at the power level to do so with some difficulty and Vegeta to do so in his base form with ease, then the power level needed to reach star level would be about 2.3x10^9x stronger. That would be 2.3 trillion power level. (Assuming the power level scaling is linear as it *must* be if we are to say a 10x multiplier in power for super saiyan or ape or kaio-ken actually multiplies their power level by that much. This would be nearly 20,000x stronger than Friezas final form in the Frieza arc. This leads to my conclusions. 1: This is a very useful scale, if people use it, allowing people to reasonably compare power levels across genres and media, which I applaud, and I thank you for pointing me to. 2: No one actually uses this. They grab a single feat, often way over or under inflate it, and name it by one of these names and assume it automatically means they can beat anyone of lower tier based off that single feat. 3: You aren't actually using this scale. I mean no offense, but you're not actually comparing the different scales of feats in a way that makes any tangible sense, which makes it no more valid than any other fans' speculation, though that doesn't make it bad. (I also want to clarify that I could not do better. I could certainly run the numbers and do the calculations, but I suspect I would not make it remotely entertaining, so I do certainly want to yield to your expertise in content creation.) 4: DBZ power levels are, as DBZA put it, "bullshit". They stopped really using them a long time ago for a reason. The creator realized that to keep going like he wanted the numbers would keep getting stupider, and comparing them to each other or their feats was going to be come increasingly nonsensical. I applaud that, because, as cool as they sounded, they were and did. As such, I do not believe they make a very good metric to compare different characters, any more than a beat b who beat c who beat d, so a must be stronger than d. So many factors go into those fights that it becomes meaningless. 5. I actually agree with your conclusions. DBZ would stomp the other 3. I might form different conclusions as to *where*, but Dragonball has always been one of the masters at adding 0s to the end of feats and power levels. I just wanted to be clear that none of this was for arguing for one of the other sides. I just disagree with people using handwavy sciency sounding metrics that have no grounding in science and then acting like those answers are authoritative.

[@OvercookedOmlette]

​@@mentaya11 That applies for almost all scaling tiers It's a range not an exact measure Even walls can differ so much There could be a 3 inch wall and a 2 feet one made with stuff that are immune to explosion and bullets

[@mentaya11]

@@OvercookedOmlette Truthfully, I am uncertain to what part of my comment you are referring. These were rather lengthy. As for scaling, many are exact measures. A ruler or themometer, agrometer or barometer, they are all measuring specific data. Even this scale, if used literally, with actual calculations, is a specific one, with each level falling into a scale. It's like the VEI for volcanoes. But to make a concrete assertation as to power level, and to actually use these terms right, you must actually calculate the force of the feat. It's as if I said that it was a VEI 7 volcano because I watched it erupt and then guessimated. Who knows? But if I actually calculate the amount of ejecta, then I *know* what level on the VEI the volcano lands under. I'm convinced most people throw around moon-level or planet-level without any idea there even is a scale, let alone do a calculation to place it on the scale.

[@OvercookedOmlette]

@@mentaya11 the first paragraph For the smaller end of the tiering system, some tiers do coincide But like, the higher end of planets is still smaller than the average size of stars However when you do exact calculations then you're right those terms aren't really good But most power scalers don't do much calculation I salute those who do exact measures tho

[@Hudishavtsye]

W video. personally i believe in the naruto solar scale and the ichigo uni scale but aside from that, a very entertaining fun video

[@gorge1365]

Naruto is actually higher, but ok.

[@Hudishavtsye]

@@gorge1365 i mean this is my personal scale. kaguya would've been able to destroy her dimension (contained a star and at least two planets, so a small solar system). naruto could one shot someone on par with kaguya (toneri). Then we just upscale it from there, so large solar system level. but like maybe even galaxy with baryon mode if you highball

[@DawnChaser-yn]

​@@Hudishavtsyepeople say this. But who said Toneri could replicate or even have the durability to tank Kaguyas final dimension destroying attack?

[@gorge1365]

@@Hudishavtsye Sorry but this is going to be a bit long: In the Data Book state that these Dimensions are in fact "Universes" and there ware 6 of them "If Im not mistaken) + Naruto's own, and Kaguya was about to one shot everything to create her own "Time Space" more like her own Universe with different Dimensions. Then in the Boruto Movie Novel, it's aso confirmed that Momoshiki created a "Parallel Universe" as a Dimension and was later sucking the chakra out of it to amp himself even more (He was Fuse Momoshiki at thie point). A tired and drained Base Adult Naruto, fought and hold off Fuse Momoshiki in hand to hand, then after he use Six Paths is were Naruto was beating him with Sasuke, then drained + tired Naruto's Huge Rasengan wielded by Boruto, destroyed Fuse Momoshiki. Baryon Mode is far higher, due Ishiki being above Kaguya and Fuse Momoshiki, & Baryon Mode destroyed him but lost it's time limit. Then we can't forget about Naruto before he gets Six Paths, and only using Bijuu Sage Mode, he was on par and keeping up with Minato's Thunder God Jutsu, using only his speed, and Minato's jutsu in the Data Book is stated to by so fast that travels across "Time and Space", the insane thing is that Naruto just keep up becoming faster.

[@vitoscaletta822]

@@gorge1365 Hel No

[@thedevilsleutice]

Do you remember when Frieza held Goku under water to drown him as TFS said “Like a sack of puppies. Poor Luffy… maybe it’ll take super Frieza or Mecha Frieza to beat Ichigo. Ichigo has some weird scaling love him tho.

[@Aluja77]

This video is so fucking well edited, deserves a sub. All tho I kinda disagree with Luffy´s raw power in this one since One Piece really is a strong world even stronger than Naruto in case of bare fist power. I think he would be able to damage Radditz, dont know if he would win tho

[@Aluja77]

And also, Ichigo lowball was crazy. There are many arguments of him being stronger than Cell or equal to perfect Cell

[@devontheundivided9815]

bruh did you unironically say the great ape form is not agile? its a times 10 to powerlevel and powerlevel = speed and strength, he was blitzing everyone

[@Pineapplelesspineapplepizza]

Curious question, Vegeta’s forced spirit fission would be able to to just destroy Luffy and Narturo right? It removes power/energy that is not native to the user. So that means Naruto using Kuram’s chakra or Luffy powering up with the fruits. Since the power or energy source is not truly there’s, that means with vegetas punches they wound just be done? As I understand the ability, base form Vegeta with FSF fists he’d beat 2/3 of the big three.

[@c0unterac342]

Anyone who has an issue... How do you think your beloved protagonist would make it to mecha frieza? Androids? Cell? Dabura? Buu? (Skip BOG) how would they get to frieza golden??? How would they get to universe 6 arc and goku black??? TOP.??? G.O.D levels? Sorry Big3 fanboys I love big 3 but they arent in the same scale as DB fighters

[@kamekashi]

And people say gear 5 solos💀💀💀

[@bungusbongus]

I'd say he'd probably make it a little further than it was said in this, since OP scaling is heavily dependent on the size of the planet. On the larger ends it's scaled to Star level, which I'd say would get him far into the freiza saga, probably hard caps at freiza thou.

[@yashghanekar1424]

@@bungusbongus How???? OP world is only 2.7 times bigger than regular earth, so he is barely multi conteintal even after the huge scaling how u getting planetary level let alone Star.?

[@bungusbongus]

@@yashghanekar1424 because people have different caps for it. Which would let him go further.

[@yashghanekar1424]

@@bungusbongus Ye so you are extremely high balling by puttinh him near planetary let alone putting him above planetary while Imu who is currently stronger than g5 in manga has barely destroyed a island... So the "different caps", is other OP fans glazing

[@bungusbongus]

@@yashghanekar1424 well I did say it was a highballing in my original comment so I don't really see your point lol

[@Dilllonm]

If they somehow discovered fusion, they are absolutely destroying freezer in the 30 minutes

[@limbo9993]

Fire video! 🔥 I'll be honest, I think they'd get a little further. Not by too much, but I think they could take Frieza down. Luffy, well, uh, he can't. But I think Naruto and Ichigo could take the win against Frieza. They both have Star Level - Solar System Level scaling (Kaguya's and Momoshiki's Realms or Senna and Squad 0 Feat) which should put them in the same league as Frieza physically imo. In terms of speed they should both be MFTL+ at their peaks and relative to Frieza especially with novel scaling for Naruto. And their hax would give them an edge as well, but tbf I think once they get to the Android Saga they probably ain't gonna do too well. So imo Luffy - Gets to Nappa and Vegeta before losing Ichigo - Gets to the Androids and Cell before losing Naruto - Gets to the Androids and Cell before losing This is just my opinion though, and ik that I scale The Big 3 (especially Naruto) a bit higher than most, so I understand if you disagree. (Note that while I do somewhat buy Universal Naruto and Ichigo, I'm not using them here as Frieza Level characters and beyond also have Universal level metas, and I don't feel like discussing Universe Busting Naruto and Ichigo fighting Buu or something as that would take too long to explain lol). But maybe, just maybe, a set of shiny golden earrings or a funny alien dance could give the Big 3 a better chance...

[@vitoscaletta822]

I disagree with you

[@limbo9993]

@@vitoscaletta822Okay, and that’s fine. We can all have our own opinions. 👍🏻

[@bluemors2211]

@@limbo9993 o problema é que a sua opinião literalmente esta errada, naruto nem tem status para lutar com o freeza primeira forma kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[@limbo9993]

@@bluemors2211 No, Naruto has fought people who have star destroying to solar system destroying power just like Namek Saga Frieza. So yes, he does have a good chance against him.

[@bluemors2211]

deve ter 12 anos, e viu naruto de outra dimensão kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[@JuanVasquezhasreturned]

They would do very good in OG Dragon Ball. That's something we can all agree on for sure.

[@blizzone7404]

Goku would play around with them in base to ssj2 to see what's their powers and shit and then go MUI and wreck house on them in 10 seconds

[@durieljohnson1123]

great video but i definitely think naruto and ichigo mid balled can atleast be solar system lvl. kaguyas truth seeking orb was going to destroy and restart the timespace, which had stars, planets and moons. naruto and sasuke grow to become powerful enough to take on kaguya lvl threats on their own, like momoshiki and kinshiki. base momoshiki had created a parallel universe with stars, planets and nebulae (plural nebula). momoshiki goes on to absorb kinishiki and become massively more powerful, all to get taken on by a 50% sasuke and naruto. im not as well versed in bleach bc its been ages since i read it, but naruto and ichigo should get atleast to the cell saga

[@5h0ckblock]

Would body swap work on Ichigo? He's a spirit, his body is back at home.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Kind of debatable I guess. His spiritual body still bleeds, and takes damage like a regular body. But his human body is an entirely separate physical entity. So? Maybe he resists the body swap- if you do interpret him as "just a soul"

[@OvercookedOmlette]

He is immune to it yes

[@Rose_Scales]

W vid! where do you think Naruto scales in your opinion at full power?

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Wow, that was fast lol. Didn’t even get a pinned comment up yet. IMO? SoSP Teen Naruto is bare minimum Planetary. With his Boruto forms, or just higher interpretations- implying Large Planet, to potentially Even Dwarf Star-- or full blown Star levels and beyond? For his Baryon Mode. You can also argue Uni+ metas, if you are a bigger fan of those scales. I just tend to lean towards the more realistic side of things with my scales.

[@Rose_Scales]

Yeah, you are underrated I can fr get you in contact with some BIG KZbinrs in the anime community that could help your channel a lot! KCM2 is large star level since he uses Kurama's true power which was stated to "be able to turn the world into ash" and KCM2 in the Naruto databook was stated to have "earth shattering power, shaking the heavens". Which the Earth in Naruto just like One Piece is bigger than ours since in Naruto every village and every place and the entire planet was calc at 2x bigger than our sun. Putting the planet are large star level size. So KCM2 is large star level+ then gets the sage mode amp which is 10x since the curse mark and the Jiraiya sage mode statement in the databook of "the power being tens of times greater than before" so at this point he should be at least in the very very low levels of solar system level then gets more chakra which chakra=AP, and gets help from Jugo, Sasuke, Shikamaru, Tenten, and others including hundreds of other shinobi and them all together using an attack was "slightly" stronger than Juubito which Juubidara>Juubito and has infinite chakra and absorbed the ten tails which has "immeasurable power" and was stated to "be able to destroy all things in the universe" and his sharingan was stated to "be able to see all things in the universe" so he fills every requirement to be high universal and when Naruto gets base SoSP literally kicked existence erasure and brought 8 gates guy back to life like jesus and blitz and damage Juubidara who also tanked a kick from Guy which was "bending time and space" and has the rinnegan which adult sasukes was stated to "transcend dimensions" and is consistent since he can see Madara's limbo clones which are in a different plane of dimension. So base SoSP Naruto is at least multi-galaxy (low ball) and then gets uses SoSP chakra mode which can damage Kaguya who can create literally universal sized 4D time-spaces 5 to be exact and was stated to have greater chakra than Juubira which has 2 infinities of amounts of chakra and Sasuke who can see limbo clones and senses Juubiras infinite chakra but hers was too much. So Kaguya is Uni+ - low multiversal and was about to destroy her dimension which some argue was infinite, Obito says it's "vastly large" and can't sense the whole dimension and Naruto later no diffs Toneri in base who can "reshape the universe" and >Kaguya and (in the manga) can go relative with Momoshiki while amped who casually ate stars and created parallel universes and "had chakra beyond his parallel universe" which some think is infinite and created hyperspace / sub-spaces and can create an attack "to infinity" and absorbed Kinshiki we don't much about his scaling other than him "splitting worlds" and being above Kaguya, then Isshiki who can destroy dimensions casually and created "a world without konoha" and Bayron mode massilvey scales above that and people ask "if Baryon is above all these multiversal level beings why didn't he destroy the dimension in baryon mode?" There's statement from author of Boruto "Since Naruto & Sasuke are getting stronger and stronger the fights are going to be bigger but not as destructive since we don't want our main cast to look weak. Naruto & Sasuke would destroy everything around them" Basically the same reasoning to why SSJB Vegito vs Zamasu didn't even destroy the city they were in. So YES it's not wank it's very consistent and Zabuza has a water style attack which was stated to be able to "split everything" not sure what that means but I'll just say there is a downplay on Naruto's scaling as you see here. @@TUCKALMIGHTY

[@reggielacey2235]

​@@Rose_Scalesno. Naruto stops at solar system and no immeasurable speed

[@Rose_Scales]

@@reggielacey2235 We can debate that but when did I say he had immeasurable speed?

[@CristianChang-i1f]

Dbz is simply the best. The movies the difrent sagas, the vilans, the heros. The fights are insane and the story is wonderful.

[@Path3742]

This is cap Only the movies and fights are good

[@kamekashi]

Fr

[@kamekashi]

​@@Path3742not telling u from btw

[@Path3742]

@@kamekashi what does that mean

[@cnmx_1311]

​@@Path3742some fights are good the story is worst between these animes

[@bungusbongus]

I'd say at minimum Ichigo makes it to late stage buu saga since the word galaxy is said a few times in the manga for example the gag of Kon kicking a pebble to a "distant galaxy." You can't really use it to scale everyone since it's obviously a joke but since Yhwach was gonna destroy the universe which has been said to have galaxies in it anyone who scales to him would be multi galaxy.

[@dizzyb2309]

How many times must be it be explained how the universe in Bleach was gonna collapsed? It’s not something that can be attributed to DC/AP

[@bungusbongus]

@@dizzyb2309 it's not about the destruction? Sure that's one way of scaling it since yhwach was about to pull them all manually, but the main reason it scales to it is because his casual reiatsu is able to maintain the realms casually. They weren't passively coming together yet because yhwach's passive reiatsu output enough to push them out. Meaning he, and by extention anyone who scales to him, is equal/greater than the three realms. Go back and read it and you'll see.

[@hitogi06]

​@@bungusbongusdon't bother. Even though the corps that's had its organs scooped out, limbs chopped off, and sealed in a crystal still had the power to hold three planets away from each other, from different dimensions while also keeping the subspace that everything is with from collapsing on itself, ichigo is still just planetary. It's completely ridiculous. Yhwach corps is doing the same thing, and the last time I checked corpses are weaker than the living. Which means ichigo even being able to cross blades with him should put him at galaxy minimum. Yamamoto literally has the sun as his bankai, and he is weaker than eos ichigo.

[@OvercookedOmlette]

​​@@dizzyb2309the soul king has the power to destroy and create the realms And he was absorbed by yhwach Although the body was severely mutilated he was still capable of holding the realms forever

[@dizzyb2309]

@@OvercookedOmlette I'm going to explain this one last time because Bleach fans are honestly worse than Naruto fans at this point with their fanfic scaling. In Bleach it is explained that both realms require an even number of souls to maintain balance. If one realm is overcrowded, it tips over and the world collapses. The role of the soul king is to ensure that balance is maintained by controlling the of souls entering and exiting the soul society. This is once again alluded to in the latest episode but I'm sure you like other Bleach fanboys will ignore it for the sole purpose of wanking these characters. In essence, the soul king is not holding the realms together with raw power as you trying to suggest, he's just making sure both realms have a sufficient number of souls to prevent a collapse. That's it. Ichigo would get one shot in the Saiyan Saga. The best visual feat that is actually combat applicable that he scales to is Kenpachi destroying a meteor.

[@JirouLierge]

I don't see body swap working on either Naruto or Ichigo. Ichigo while fighting is basically a Soul, having no "body" to steal. And if he took human Ichigos body. He'd be left with next to no power do to Ichigo just kinda jumping out of Ginyu's body and continuing the fight as a soul reaper. As for Naruto, the moment Ginyu would try. I can see Kurama tearing his soul apart from inside the cage, before it had a chance to take control. I'm not saying this would give the two of them a win, cause i don't really see them getting passed saiyan Saga Vegeta to begin with.

[@mahoraga1528]

a very important factor about powerscaling one piece characters is the size of the planet. its extremely important because the size has been calced to be multiple times bigger than earth. so all the destructive feats that op characters have are upscaled. a multi continental attack in the one piece world's standards would be large planetary from our worlds standards, planetary attacks in one piece world would be around small star level or so etc. very important to keep in mind when powerscaling op characters, everything is basically upscaled.

[@DerpEpicFace32onXbox]

So is Dragon ball 💀 Earth is considered a very small planet, casual small planet busting in DB covers planets 10x the size of earth

[@saidomiv3465]

The island etc are no bigger then real ones theres just more of them due to the planerts size and luffy is around continental in power

[@Ahlovendino]

In no world does multi contental equate to destroying the whole planet, it’s literally one tier below lol

[@thatonguy2407]

There is nothing in One Piece suggesting the planet is thousands to millions of times bigger than earth. The diagrams we see aren't to scale, and the scales of every diagram we see is entirely different.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

DB Master roshi in a guide was stated to be able to power a star

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

I've never seen this particular guide, but if it exists? It's just a massive, massive outlier- without much backing in the context of the story (like the Naruto guidebook that calls Temari "Universal")

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY I should have saved the entire game guide when I saw it but it also states that Saiyan Saga goku's spirit bomb was that of a small super nova. It also had a really weird, and slow speed meta for the characters taking into account the real world physics of going passed like mach 4-7

[@nolanmclaughlin2361]

1:29 I'm gonna predict that Naruto makes it to losing to Vegeta in the Saiyan saga

[@Th3onlyIc3man]

I want that what if style hour long of this XD

[@thediaz07]

Its legitimately insane how a PL of over 10k could blow up a large planet. Freeza at 100% is 120m...so 12k would be 0.001% of his max. Meaning full power Freeza should be able to destroy the sun with ease.

[@MwateKawanje-uh9su]

Actually piccolo moon busting feat was calculated from as low as small planetary to as high as large planetary.

[@MwateKawanje-uh9su]

I'm more or less use the small planetary feat but you could argue large planetary but it's a little staffy for this time in dragon Ball.

[@kumoyoshi8567]

Did you take into account or does it not matter that Ichigo is a ghost, not a physical being therefore could be completely immune to some techniques from Dragon Ball such as your example of Ginyus Body Swap. Ichigo has no body to give ginyu. Naruto could try to use his clones against Ginyu too. I'm no DB expert but you can't just punch a ghost right? I do remember Goku had a halo at one point and was a spirit or ghost so someone probably has an idea.

[@shayukitsune8879]

Hey I’m a huge digimon fan it’d be so fun if there was a little digimon appreciation since it gets so little

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

We have actually been considering doing a Digimon video since late January, because of the 25th anniversary. So I’m definitely interested, once a cool enough topic comes to mind!

[@qtindavis433]

perfect!!

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Always appreciate the nice comments, thanks!

[@qtindavis433]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY how far would part one luffy get in naruto. how far would ichigo get naruto. how far would naruto get in one piece. how far would luffy get in bleach

[@grimdaggz]

NICE!!! How far will everyone from Jojo get?

[@alphawolf7417]

The only 1 i think could possibly last a while would be Ichigo. Not on raw power but on speed. Mostly cause Bleach characters have some stupidly crazy speed feats as early as SS Arc. And blades can work pretty well in DBZ, as shown by Trunks. But with how many villains have either A) Regeneration or B) planet erasing power, i can't see Ichigo making it past the Cell Saga.

[@KurosakiNexus]

I don't think anyone is making past namek saga

[@jocoolshow]

Ichigo kinda negs Cell with his AP and Soul Hax. Someone that’s fodder to Ichigo has a multi Solar system level feat from just releasing her Bankai while purposefully trying to hold back and not affect the Bleach realms, and someone who’s fodder even to that person by scaling (not by feats) has his own Multi Galaxy level creation feat on panel yet says he’s inferior to a Eyepatch on Shikai Kenpachi

[@KurosakiNexus]

bro cell has higher ap. And cell doesn't have that good hax to be negated anyway. Cell is just too fast, strong, durable, smart for ichigo@@jocoolshow

[@alphawolf7417]

@darkstudios693 Yeah, but I still feel confident Ichigo (more so than the other 2) can at least make it to Cell. Defeating him, though, would take a miracle.

[@OvercookedOmlette]

​@@alphawolf7417ichigo's drawback is actually speed His ap and hax are enough to carry him to the end of dbz but his speed is a problem

[@Idontknowwhatisthistbh-]

what would be more interesting if the big 3 with all the abilities in their respectable verse went up against dbz/dbs

[@Ant_West]

I do have a suggestion, but I am really not sure how well this is going to be. So you did the big 3 of shonun jump, being Luffy, Naruto and Ichigo yeah? Maybe you could make it so Mario and Sonic work together to try and get through the Dragon Ball story. Yes I know that once Super Comes out, Mario will struggle, and maybe before that, but I want to see how it would be if Mario and Sonic worked together. You can even put Luigi and Tails in if you want.

[@boredfangerrude8759]

Luffy, the dude who in base casually no diff guys who are mountain level in his base form can't hurt raditz? Then you add the power boost of Armament and or conqueror's haki which can be layered which is why I put and as well as the power boost he gets in Gear 2, 3, 4 and 5. How is he stopping at Raditz without a technicality and no diffed by Nappa? Seriously, this Luffy slander needs to stop.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Raditz got shot in the face by Piccolo's full powered moon vaporizing attack, and took no damage. He didn't even flinch. As far as I know? Luffy doesn't even have Moon Level scaling, let alone the higher tier necessary to hurt Raditz. And considering that Raditz has a power level between 1200/1600, where as Nappa is between 4000/7500? I think it seems pretty fair that without the tail weakness, Luffy unfortunately gets folded. We do have plenty more content, talking about characters Luffy beats though. So I hope you enjoy that. Thanks!

[@dxjxc91]

I figured even the 3 of them together couldn't beat saiyan saga Vegita, but I may not have scaled them properly (I figured naruto and ichigo were moon level).

[@-N0t_Important-]

"Demon King" Piccolo was Multi-Solar System, lol.

[@Thebabysealpoacher]

if goku is the grandfather, what is kenshiro?

[@thatonguy2407]

While your Luffy scale was within the ballpark of what id say is consistent, i dont agree with your Naruto or Ichigo scaling. I wont explain both here, as that woukd take all night, I'll instead just give a sparknotes of Ichigo's scaling. To start with, you really underestimate Ichigo's speed. While he lacks future sight, his sensory capability is insane, being able to sense the soul of a small child that was fused and mixed with a parakeet from across town early on, and able to sense people in Soul Society from within the Garganta, a separate dimension. The sensory precision Ichigo has would give him a MASSIVE advantage over Goku in a lot of scenarios. To get to his actual speed, though, in the Soul Society Arc, Uryu runs fast enough to leave his shadow behind, which has been calc'd to be at least half the speed of light, Aaroniero, who scales to low lieutenant-high seated officer tier, based off Rukia being fairly relative with him, was able to dodge sunlight. Lieutenants in the Soul Society arc are shown dodging negacion, stated to be light by Yamamoto and the databooks. HoS Ichigo is literally thousands of times stronger and faster than Soul Society arc lieutenants, who are shown to move at relativistic speeds. For his power, he should be at least in the multi-solar system to universal+ ranges. Soul Society and the WotL are shown to have celestial bodies, such as stars, and are referred to as universes. In CFYOW it's even outright stated that they are not planets. When the realls are being described, it says "if they could be likened to planets" keywords being "if" and "likened to" meaning that they are explicitly not planets. Given the fact we see stars in the sky, they should at least contain multiple solar systems, with Gremmy's space room having galaxies present, meaning that they are almost certainly universes. Senjumaru's bankai simply being released could shake 2 universe sized dimensions, and we see that the power output of simply releasing your zanpakuto is far weaker than what it can do when you actually direct it. Squad Zero would likely scale to having AP enough to destroy at least one of the 2 realms, since Yamamoto could destroy Soul Society in bankai by merely existing. This would make SZ, and anyone who scales above them, multi-solar at the lowest. Ichigo in base would absolutely mop the floor with the entirety of Squad Zero with zero effort. Ichibei gets killed in one hit by Ywhach once The Almighty returns. Ywhach then absorbs the Soul King, getting massively stronger. Base Ichigo is contending with this Ywhach physically. SK Ywhach>Almighty Ywhach>Ichibei, the strongest member of SZ. Then Ichigo gets his HoS and bankai. Bankai is 10x to his stats, and hollowfication is stated to be a power that surpasses bankai by Tosen, meaning it would be at least an equal power boost. Basically, Ichigo is definitively multi-solar system at least, up to uni+. Let's go with multi-solar for the sake of staying in Z. He's also MFTL+. For his hax, which he does actually have some, he's got power nullification, resistance to durability negation, flight, regeneration, and attacks that further boost his power. His Black Getsuga is stated to be similar to a Cero Oscuras, which is stated in Unmasked to be an order of magnitude stronger than a basic cero, so a 10x power boost over his basic strikes. Add on Gran Rey Getsuga, Gran Rey Cero being the greatest cero, meaning at least 10x his basic strikes. His regen has been shown fixing a hole in his chest against Ulquiorra, and even replacing a lost arm in his training with Kensei. Ceros also atomize, meaning if Buu or Cell gets entirely blown away by a Gran Rey Getsuga, they aren't coming back. Ichigo, at multi-solar and MFTL+ genuinely finishes the Namek Saga before the Ginyu Force touches down due to his insane sensory abilities. Even if he does end up fighting Ginyu, he'd be immune to the body swap because of reiatsu negating it, since Ginyu is way weaker than him. Perfect Cell is solar system tier, and wouldnt even reach that form, as Ichigo, unlike the Z fighters, wouldn't have let him live after he slaughtered a city, and Cell can't do anything against Ichigo. Buu is where things could get tricky, but Ichigo is less likely to fuck around when he first meets Buu, and so Buu probably doesn't ever reach his stronger forms before Ichigo atomizes him. He then gets walloped by Beerus. Multi-solar Ichigo not doing well enough to survive, Uni+ Ichigo going into Super, where he gets stopped by either Golden Frieza or Hit. Naruto has some Uni scaling, but it isnt as solid as Bleach's, but he does have some decent multi-solar scaling, based off the stars visible in Kaguya/Momoshiki's dimensions. So Naruto probably stops at Buu, as his best attacks are cellular, which Buu can regen from.

[@PhillyFaithful93]

Saiyan saga Vegeta solos the big 3. That’s the absolute furthest they could go, and that’s being extremely generous.

[@OvercookedOmlette]

Ichigo solos anyone individually He'd start struggling with speed starting at cell saga

[@caseywhite9770]

So imma play devils advocate a little bit here, In regards to the ginyu fight, Naruto has a potential chance because 1. If he makes shadow clones, Ginyu wouldn't know which is the real one 2. If Naruto summons toads, they coupd potential get Ginyu in a genjutsu (or jump in front of Naruto to be hit by a body change, resulting in a toad Ginyu X'D) 3. If naruto uses Ichibi chakra, he could potentially seal Ginyu, at least lo g enough to maybe get a breather 4. If Naruto needed to get out, he could reverse solummon himself and survive to fight another day 5. Naruto could potentially catch Ginyu with a sunlbstitution jutsu if he tries changing bodies 6. If Ginyu did body change with Naruto, this would result in o e of two outcomes, 6a. Ginyu now has to fight internally with an u cooperative Kyūbi, and not really have access to any of that power or Naruto's techniques 6b. Less likely, but potentially ginyu swaps with both naruto and kurama, leaving him alone in naruto's body without the 9-tails, and leaving Naruto and Kurama in his body, leaving them stronger than before lol? For Ichigo, just two things really, but they may be a bit of a stretch 1. If I am not mistaken, cant he open interdimensial portals? If so, potentially being able to escape, or trap Ginyu somewhere 2. His sword us litterally made for destroying souls, so i imagine it would have some protection if used against Ginyu's Body Change?

[@austinbrooks9676]

Love all these anime’s and the characters when I read the title I thought they might make it to frieza seems I wasn’t the only one don’t get me wrong they are all incredibly strong in their own universe but dragon balls scaling is on a different level luffy ichigo and Naruto all achieve very high levels but they get clapped in the Dbz universe

[@Fatalbeast22]

Using statments from the cant fear your own world light novel, ichigo actually scales to universal, not planetary, so he actually gets way way waaaaaay further

[@fishnutz5196]

Luffy dies to Raditz, Naruto dies to Vegeta. Ichigo dies to Frieza if you give him planetary scaling, some people like to use Universal scaling for Ichigo but if you give him that then he still stops at Buuhan. And some people are out here comparing them to UI Goku 😂

[@MwateKawanje-uh9su]

Do you know that Naruto has Star level attacks right. he possibly even has solar system level feats right. To scare him off of hagia. Who created a space with a star and a moon and more space probably. And Naruto with half of his powers able to beat a guy who stronger than hagia that's granting him star to solar system level AP.

[@Makotomisumig0dd]

Tell me a feat where he has it or shown it in manga page

[@nightthunder04]

Two out of three of them will lose under the devilmite beam of OG Dragonball

[@TailicaiCorporation]

So… you’re equating toon power to basically nothing. Alright no bias found there. Lol 5:50 ish had me rolling Yea I can see Luffy losing to Napa. I could see him winning also, but it’s dependent on how you see his G5 work. I think you overhype Ichigo a bit, but I also get it, and strangely you seem pretty balanced on Naruto’s behalf I’d say the only bit you miss with Luffy is that his world is way larger than the other two worlds. (Like it’s Jupiter sized) so planet shattering is kinda ridiculous in his world. So I’d probably at most get Luffy to Freiza saga but he wouldn’t get very far in it Actually wouldn’t Ginyu have to deal with Kurama if he swapped? He wouldn’t have the willpower to deal with that based on what we know of his character. So I think Naruto would lose against base Freiza.

[@MichaelGoba-wc2fb]

Bro what do you mean ichigo has no hax. You're on something bro

[@Basch152]

in what world was goku vs vegeta a draw? their fight ended with goku crippled snd completely unable to even move while vegeta fought 3 other people, 2 of which were stronger than raditz

[@zackofpersia5086]

this was great! thought it was very accurate as well!

[@vitoscaletta822]

Muken is not infinite cause it's proven in the Manga to have a circumference around the Seireitei, Ichigo and his friends were literally able to walk around it Hueco Mundo being infinite is not true since people don't know the metaphorical meaning of "Endless sand" Aizen is not 4D or didn't Transcend anything, in that context of him talking about 2d and 3d beings he was just referring to him being above any Shinigami/hollow Gremmy pocket dimension of celestials bodies had no Gravity system, so those stars/Galaxies aren't naturally made, Powerscaling forbids scaling objects that aren't naturally made otherwise Kaguya would be solar+ since she created her own dimensions with stars/Moons Yhwach has never shown any universal feats Ichigo should be solar at best

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Yeah? I literally agree with all of this, not a single problem with this comment. You summed up my thoughts on Ichigo’s scaling perfectly. I don’t know who wronged you enough to write such a perfect rebuttal to Universal Ichigo. But by all means, keep cooking man, Lol.

[@vitoscaletta822]

@@TUCKALMIGHTY Thanks man,you have earned a new subscriber

[@idkmehboi1972]

This comment lost me when was muken ever confirmed to have a circumference

[@mufeezsyed2664]

​@@idkmehboi1972he definitely has not read bleach manga my guy is yapping nonsense

[@OvercookedOmlette]

Muken is infinite and ichigo is high universal.

[@Strooling]

With out DBZ anime would not be where it is today. The late 90's and early 00's DBZ was everywhere. Cartoon Networks best ratings ever was due to DBZ beating out alot of mainstream shows at the time. Not to mention all the video games that DBZ came out with during this time.

[@Shooting_freak7]

Ichigo is multiversal. Hes making it to super

[@nivarnpaku8430]

I think you forgot goku was dodging laser and the solar flare which is light in earily dragon ball

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

I didn't forget, I just think it's a bit of an outlier. With two things that aren't really stated or shown to be light speed. If you think Kid Goku is light speed though, that's fine. Naruto, Luffy, and Ichigo also have light speed metas that are earlier in their series. Based on how you'd like to spin the numbers.

[@nivarnpaku8430]

Well I mean Tien call the solar flare light@@TUCKALMIGHTY

[@SisDenha]

its not dodging, he just knew were the enemy was aiming and dod- oh fuck it is dodge!

[@nivarnpaku8430]

I....Don't know to reply to this@@SisDenha

[@FrozenInIce]

Kid goku struggling with speed after fighting against tien means non of the big3 can get past it as kid goku is faster than literal sun light.

[@roberthornyak5875]

I couldn't get into reading or watching any 3 of them. Dragonball on the other hand I thoroughly enjoyed.

[@Quacamole__]

Going in my guess was luffy loses at raditz. Naruto loses are Vegeta. And Ichigo loses at frieza. In the end I was relatively close to him, just lowballing naruto and high balling ichigo compared to him. I’m happy with that

[@parrotlord7393]

Weren’t they all 12 at some point in the anime (they’ll probably die first episode when Bulma shoots them with a gun)

[@TheUnseenPath]

I’m still confused as to why you made Luffy struggle against demon king piccolo I don’t get the explanation. What is piccolo struggle because Lucy’s made of rubber and punches don’t exactly hurt him. But there is a plethora of things that Luffy can do to piccolo since he can turn his environment rubber. You're seriously under balling Luffy jeez xD. Same with the other 2.

[@TUCKALMIGHTY]

Luffy lacks in AP. That’s pretty much my thoughts behind it. Piccolo blew up the moon with one hand (demon king piccolo could blow up the moon with his full power) and Luffy? Well- he’d be sort of lucky to go above Mutli-Continental power, as far as I know. I do think he wins though, if that helps at all. As I did mention, I think he could maybe make it to Nappa.

[@aymanbouyaya4759]

Not getting hurt by punches may not hurt him , but as seen in the anime and manga laser beams and energy blasts can in fact do damage to him and king piccolo has those in his arsenal

[@DarthMagog]

Punches demonstrably have hurt Luffy. The Davy Back Fight was a good example of this. He literally got punched so hard he coughed up blood.

[@destroyahdestroyah9584]

Luffy has a resistance to blunt force trauma. He can't neg planet breaking energy just because he's rubber